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General Discussion / Re: If you bought a car based on certification.........

« on: January 22, 2010, 11:14:15 PM »

Okay so if I am understanding you correctly, some reports may include the inspection for rebodying and some may not. It would all depend on what the original customer asked for? And what they had asked for would be clearly documented in the report?

Not that I'd presume to speak for Jerry, or Ed, or anyone else who's gone out on a limb certifying cars as "original" or "real"...
And heck, Hylton, you've been around this edn of the hobby way longer than I, I'm just an unemployed Team Camaro COPO moderator and hopeful master of the next great Camaro site ( http://www.firstgens.com )
Frankly, I'd rather have this discussion there, would bring in more prospective customers..uh uh make that enthusiasts, for the time when I'll have sponsors...

So, I'll only comment on what I've seen.

I've seen several certification reports that were displayed with cars for sale, and included areas that were "whited out"

I've also seen one that described a car in great and glowing detail, but never ever once said it was real.

Sometimes you need to slow down and read what's not written.
Other times what is asked after the fact just wasn't answered.
I've the greatest respect for Jerry, and believe he is a man of great honesty and integrity.

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General Discussion / Re: If you bought a car based on certification.........

« on: January 22, 2010, 10:11:20 PM »

Jerry,

I've told you before how to solve these problems - state on your reports what you have NOT verified. If you didn't check for re-bodies, state it. If you didn't check for a car being back halved, state it. We are talking about 2 additional sentences here.

Otherwise, people are going to continue to misinterpret what your certification actually means. Eventually, somebody is going to sue you over this stuff.

The problem with that attitude, Hylton, is you are talking about a private business transaction, between a professional and the previous owner of that car.
The certification, which has been posted on the internet, means one thing, what it says, the car is a real 1968 Z/28.
I've seen the document, it says no more than that, and I don't know why any keyboad jocky's, including the original poster, would think it says more.


There will also be a report. The report would go into some detail, but these vary, depending on what the CUSTOMER was interested in. As far as I know, the report on this car has not been made public. Again, it belongs only to to the guy who commissioned Jerry to produce it. It doesn't automatically belong to the current owner of the car, and it certainly doesn't belong to us.

The OP here wanted a Z/28.
I don't agree with the tack he initially took on this and several other boards, I do very much understand his dismay, even horror, when he found he only had half a Z/28.

I hope this car get's restored.
And I hope the story is told on firstgens.com
Maybe we can help him find his original transmission?
vin's posted , get lookin guys.

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General Discussion / Re: If you bought a car based on certification.........

« on: January 20, 2010, 05:23:52 AM »

I just put Jerry's pics up on http://www.firstgens.com

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General Discussion / Re: If you bought a car based on certification.........

« on: January 19, 2010, 04:13:41 AM »

uh guys, we have a thread running at my new board here http://firstgens.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=310
where there is some additional info.

Mr. Rodent's first post was pretty much fishing methinks.

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General Discussion / Re: If you bought a car based on certification.........

« on: January 17, 2010, 02:47:27 PM »

This is all pretty darned "general"?

What exactly do you believe is wrong with this car?

Is it not a real original engine 1968 Z/28?

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General Discussion / Re: barrett jackson las vegas Z-28

« on: October 30, 2008, 03:12:21 AM »

What about here?
Kurt S has poosted that he had direct conversations with Gary when they tags and docs were separated from the car and listed for sale.

Kurt also posted that the sale of the body with this vin was discussed here.

In case it's not anywhere else, we're talking about vin 124379N509335 body # NOR102583 dated 09C

As for Jerry, he's telling us what he can. This I evaluated the car, quality of the restoration and paperwork and wrote a three page report.  I was never told by anyone that the car was rebodied.  K. Waters told me that this car was rough and much of the sheet metal had to be replaced.  
tells much of the story. The "quality of the restoration" certainly implies the car was complete and together when inspected, contrary to Mike Joy's statement.
"I was never told that the car was rebodied" could be read a couple different ways....

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Originality / Re: 67 Pace cars

« on: February 28, 2007, 03:09:00 PM »

oops, still makes no difference, at least not to me.

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Originality / Re: 67 Pace cars

« on: February 28, 2007, 02:16:24 PM »

This is yet again some serious splitting hairs. The argument seems to center on the definition of "delivery."

At least as I see it, Chevrolet Engineering isn't in the business of delivering cars, assembly plants did that.

As the documentation proves, Charlies car was "assembled" by the assembly plant as an L78, and according to the VIN's, body numbers, and date cordes, it was the very first one. The assembly plant "delivered" the car to Chevrolet engineering.

Per the work order, Chevrolet Engineering replaced the L78 drivetrain with an L35 drivetrain, and did other work to prep the car to pace the race and ensure it would hold together.

I've had the pleasure of seeing and touching Charlies Pace Car. It is truly remarkable, like stepping back in time. Charlie told me at that time that he still has the original title, and IT IS TITLED TO Chevrolet Engineering!

So let's put this to bed. If Chevrolet Engineering titled the car, they OWNED it, and therefore they did not "DELIVER" it to anyone!

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General Discussion / Re: camaros.net site gone!

« on: September 24, 2006, 03:20:12 AM »

oh boy.... are you in manitoba or south dakota or somewhere like that?
Sorry you got caught up in that.

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General Discussion / Re: Finally Home

« on: September 24, 2006, 03:15:08 AM »

Lookin good! I bet it's great to hav her home again.
FYI, I finally got to registering here, had to to see your pics.

JimM