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Decoding/Numbers / Re: Caveat is missing 'recreation'.
« on: June 22, 2018, 05:51:37 PM »
Those aren't 'L89' heads either. 3946074 castings are L88/ZL1 open chamber heads. Used with closed chamber pistons results in about 8.5:1 compression.

Decoding/Numbers / Caveat is missing 'recreation'.
« on: June 22, 2018, 11:41:18 AM »


To find one with true matching numbers is hard to come by, and THIS Camaro has true matching numbers. It also features true X22D80 396 375 HP matching numbers engine.

Odd to see a VIN stamped pad on a car built October '69.

It is a factory D80 car, which is factory front air dam and rear spoiler car. Also has interior code option 713 which is factory black houndstooth interior and also factory paint code 69 factory quartez silver.

And it's all on the body tag!

This car has been restored to all original condition.

It's a jungle out there.

Decoding/Numbers / Re: Caveat Emptor...beware the carefully worded ad
« on: June 21, 2018, 05:05:57 PM »
It's a sad and pathetic yarn with no basis in reality.

Here's what I can tell you. L code cars are very hard to track and verify especially ones that were built in Van Nuys.

Huh? All 'L code' Camaros were built in Van Nuys. The CRG has had no difficulty assembling and maintaining information on them in a db.

BTW in my 43 years of 1st Gen Camaros I have never heard someone refer to Van Nuys cars as 'L code'.

L529083 and this engine L530071 were both built in the second week of April 1969 and both were at the Van Nuys plant at the same time.

No, they were not. The engine in L529083 is stamped V0411DZ and the stamp looks legit. That means that engine was assembled April 11, 1969 at the Flint, MI plant. Many people have posted NCRS delivery data on their cars. From that information we know that L529083 was final-assembled on or about April 11; L530071 was final-assembled on or about April 25th. The cars were built two weeks apart. The VIN sequence was assigned as completed bodies were received from Fisher, several days prior to final assembly. There is no way anyone at Van Nuys could have known L530071 was going to be a Z/28 two weeks before the car was built. While it is true that mis-stamped VINs have been noted, they are off by one digit.

How could a Camaro built on or about April 11th in Van Nuys, CA receive an engine built the same day in Flint MI 2,282 miles from Van Nuys?

As you can imagine every Z28 fanatic/expert on ebay has brought this mismatched vin to my attention however none of them can validate the non-legitimacy or the possibility of L530071 engine being installed in car 529083 both the same week of April 1969.

Until now.

Based on the remains of the BBC, L529083 is a Z/28. There is no reason to believe it has its original engine.

Decoding/Numbers / Re: Caveat Emptor...beware the carefully worded ad
« on: June 20, 2018, 09:28:29 PM »
From the ad:

This Z28 is a very, very rare early 1969 Van Nuys California built L code car.

There were 31,163 '69 Camaros built at Van Nuys; not rare at all. It is also a late production car, built on or about April 11, 1969.

No mention of a Body Broadcast Copy commonly found on Van Nuys built Camaros. No original docs. No VIN stamped drive train components. Axle was cast in January, 73 days prior to estimated final assembly. Where is proof this is really a Z/28?

Decoding/Numbers / Caveat Emptor...beware the carefully worded ad
« on: June 20, 2018, 04:37:36 PM »


First line of text from the ad:

Here we have an all original three owner 1969 Z28 survivor with 66,045 miles on it.

Ballsy claim for a non-original drive train car that has been repainted. Missing AIR system, wrong exhaust manifolds, alternator, air cleaner lid, rear wheels, grille incorrectly painted. Ad claims deluxe seat belts; pic shows standard belts.

Wonder why there is no sound deadener on those 'original' rear quarter panels?

For that matter there are very few cars in this original condition in existence.

You be the judge.

'69 Z/28s used two wheel codes, depending on when the car was built. Both were 15" x 7". Cars built prior to mid-Dec '68 used AD wheels; YH afterwards. A 12C build may have either.

Tire size was E70 x 15; either Firestone Sport Car 200 or Goodyear Wide Tread GT. There were no wheel/tire options; space saver spare was not available with 15" wheels.

Decoding/Numbers / Caveat Emptor...another tag mismatch
« on: June 08, 2018, 01:25:37 AM »


That's the VIN from the ad; would have been final assembled on or about October 5, 1968 at the Norwood, Ohio plant. The body tag shown is from a car built early December, 1968 at the Van Nuys, CA plant. They restored the car to match the tag.

From the ad:


Unfortunately, the tag is not original to the car.

Decoding/Numbers / Re: Caveat Emptor..block stamp
« on: June 05, 2018, 03:19:52 AM »
No wheel options for '69 Z/28. All built with 5 15 x 7 rally wheels.

This car, built early Nov '68, would have had AD wheels.

Decoding/Numbers / Caveat Emptor..block stamp
« on: June 04, 2018, 11:07:19 PM »


Block stamped V1105DZ: looks nothing like the Nov '68 examples I have.

From the ad: It is a very early November 1968 Norwood built car pre (X-coded) that maintains it original matching numbers Dz 302.

Decoding/Numbers / Re: Caveat tag?
« on: June 01, 2018, 11:42:49 PM »
Re-listed. Apparently ignored all the advice he didn't want to hear.

Decoding/Numbers / Caveat Emptor...another tag mismatch
« on: June 01, 2018, 11:36:05 PM »


Car was final-assembled on or about November 5, 1968. Has an 02B body tag, 2nd week February 1969. Tag is real but from another car.

From the ad:

Real x-11 Norwood build car

Correct color combo Factory code 76 Daytona Yellow

Decoding/Numbers / Caveat Emptor...another tag mismatch
« on: May 29, 2018, 05:00:36 PM »


Car was final-assembled on or about December 6, 1968. Has an 02A body tag, 1st week February 1969. Tag is real but from another car; didn't even bother to paint the rivets.

General Discussion / Re: Tachometers
« on: May 22, 2018, 02:41:17 AM »
It's buried in the description of what is included with Rally-Sport equipment. From intro to 12/68 it included directional lenses with bright metal trim. After 12/68, mention of the lens trim was dropped. In production, they used up remaining inventory on all cars, not just RS.

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