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General Discussion / Re: Why Camaro production was extended in 1969.
« on: October 27, 2019, 04:22:51 PM »
DeLorean wrote a book in the '70s "On a Clear Day You Can See General Motors." A good portion of the book concerns the train wreck he inherited when he became Chevrolet General Manager on February 15, 1969. He mentions no involvement in any of the areas Wiki lists; the delay of the 1970 Camaro was 100% due to the failure of the quarter panel tooling according to people who worked there. He did a great job turning Chevy around and was promoted to GM upper management in 1972. It was a bad fit and he resigned in 1973.

Have you watched the movie ? :)  https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6256978/

I've heard the 69 model was only one year because of new safety standards.  The 1971 model was moved forward in a hurry.  Might explain why the tooling wasn't ready? 

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General Discussion / Re: ZP2 Trim & Color Override
« on: October 04, 2019, 06:35:52 PM »
My '69 is also a 71/715.  I like the combo except the dark blue plastic parts fade horribly!  The black does not for some reason.

Also discussed here http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=9399.0   Note reply from JohnZ.

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Originality / Re: 1969 Dealer Order Form
« on: October 04, 2019, 06:19:07 PM »
Which cover price book did you get, the $19.95 with 2 authors or the $21.95 with only Incremona as the author?

I found the $21.95 one, for under $40.  Is there any difference other than the covers?

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Originality / Re: 1969 Dealer Order Form
« on: October 03, 2019, 07:55:50 PM »
Thanks guys. I found a copy for less than twice the original cover price  ;D ,  for a book published in the mid '80s.   When searching around this old Incremona blog popped up.  He mentioned an updated edition being in the works.  Any idea what happened to that?   You'd think a lot has been discovered in ~35 years.   Who knows... maybe one day I'll get my wish for the 'Book of Bill'.

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Originality / 1969 Dealer Order Form
« on: October 03, 2019, 02:04:01 AM »
Does anyone have a Dealer Order Form for the '69 Camaro?  I found the front side of a '67 Camaro order form in the CRG Steering Wheel Report  and maybe a piece of a '69 one n the CRG LM1 Report

The Chevelle Stuff web site has really nice examples the different paperwork including the front and back of the order form (about halfway down on the page)  It would be really cool to have this all in one place for the Camaro. Maybe an idea for a new CRG research topic :)

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Decoding/Numbers / Re: Caveat Emptor..block stamp
« on: August 31, 2019, 01:05:12 AM »
He's also careful not to show the trim tag!

Ed

There are more photos on the dealer's website, but its not a great shot.

https://www.valenticlassics.com/inventory/250/1969-chevrolet-camaro-z28


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1969 - Orphans / Re: 19N603507 DZ Block
« on: August 30, 2019, 12:17:36 PM »
what are the markings before and after the block stamp??


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There is a photo of this car in Lamm's book 'The Great Camaro', pg37.  The caption states the tire sidewalls are reflective.  Interesting design idea that never saw the light of day?

Regarding the other new related design threads there is a lot of info in this book.  I really like the quarter-scale transparent body model !

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That is Detroit, they are in Canada!
The lower door jamb is painted a darker color, unique seats ...

There is a photo of this car in Lamm's book 'The Great Camaro', pg36.  The caption states the seat inserts are rattan!   8)

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General Discussion / First gen Z/28 registry
« on: March 12, 2019, 01:54:50 PM »
Does the CRG consider its 'research database' a registry for all first gen Camaro models?   I'm surprised there isn't one for the first gen Z/28.

My understanding is Jerry Macneish maintains The Official 1967 Camaro Z/28 Registry. However is doesn't appear to be publicly accessible.  So basically this is just personal or business owned collection of data, likely a dang good one.   http://www.z28camaro.com/registry.html

Another is this 1968 Z/28 National Registry http://1968z28.com/ owned by Larry Eakin  The web site Mission states 'As the registry grows, we expect the information to help muscle car enthusiasts to more fully appreciate the 1968 Z/28 as one of the purist production based high performance cars of the 20th century.'   Well, the information is not shared so how is that helpful? 

I've not located anything specific for the 1969 Z's.  So what's the deal?  There are other registries like sYc for the Yenko and ZL1.  This one can be viewed without even logging into the forum.  The 'vettes and Chevelle's are also good examples.   All even publish the full VIN.




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General Discussion / Re: Happy Birthday to my Camaro
« on: March 02, 2019, 05:14:19 PM »

My '69 was built the day after, Friday 2/28.  I wished her happy 50th as well :)

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General Discussion / Re: Two questions of 69 Camaro options
« on: February 18, 2019, 04:12:43 AM »
Quote from: sixt9x33rs

What a great list of cars to chose from. Man, several 4:56 geared cars. So cool


You could have bought all six Z/28's then for just under $25K ...  tax, title, and tags out the door   8)

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General Discussion / Re: Two questions of 69 Camaro options
« on: February 11, 2019, 12:58:13 AM »
I've seen several 1969 dealer ads announcing the availability of 427 Camaros.   Guess the secret got out at some point.

Except for the COPOS, the *factory* did NOT install 427's in Camaros.   Dealerships DID swap engines and install 'non-factory' engines for high performance customers.. such as Baldwin Motion which was well known and displayed in many high perf magazines of the day!

I thought numerous dealerships ordered the COPO 9561 directly.  My assumption was they were advertising these.  Both ads are from ~April 69 and Lowe has a car on the sYc registry.





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General Discussion / Re: Two questions of 69 Camaro options
« on: February 10, 2019, 09:10:21 PM »
It is not known how availability of COPOs 9560, 9561 & 9737 was communicated throughout the dealer network. Legend has it they were supposed to be exclusive to their respective dealerships, Gibb Chevrolet and Yenko Chevrolet. But Berger Chevrolet learned of them early on and initially ordered one of each. Their ZL1 [body # 211785] was actually ordered prior to Gibbs' 50 car order.

I've seen several 1969 dealer ads announcing the availability of 427 Camaros.   Guess the secret got out at some point.


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Decoding/Numbers / Re: Caveat Emptor..block stamps
« on: January 18, 2019, 12:44:27 AM »

Appears to be the same, sold tonight at Barrett-Jackson for $110K

https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1969-CHEVROLET-CAMARO-Z/28-RS-225307


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