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Foreign Camaros / Re: GM Suisse Import, 69 Camaro RS SS, it's a real car?
« on: January 20, 2019, 01:55:36 PM »
My friend rubbed a copy with a scribe.
So it's definitely a 12B.

The homologated in Switzerland 1969 Camaro, as well as all other GM vehicles except Opel, have the respective VIN from their country of origin.

The VIN sequence of this Camaros I do not know, but is quite normal 124379NXXXXXX.

Those mounted before 1969 have for example S9-675199 (Camaro) or others before 1967 SS-601030 (Impala).

Grtz Tom

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Foreign Camaros / Re: GM Suisse Import, 69 Camaro RS SS, it's a real car?
« on: January 19, 2019, 09:12:34 PM »
Here ist the Trim Tag :-)

Grtz Tom

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Foreign Camaros / GM Suisse Import, 69 Camaro RS SS, it's a real car?
« on: January 19, 2019, 02:48:39 PM »
Hello,

I have a 69 Camaro, Swiss import by GM Suisse.
At http://www.camaros.org/numbers.shtml#XnnCodes
is the first built from 12B.
But mine has 10B as build date and the X11.
The question: can it be an RS / SS?

I can submit a photo later, as well as the VIN.

Grtz Tom

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Foreign Camaros / Re: Swiss Camaro, Explanations
« on: January 04, 2019, 09:20:27 PM »
Hello Sipma,

The '68 Camaro was imported and assembled in Switzerland.
My records give the picture that those who imported via GM Suisse were also mounted (CKD).
Those who were NOT imported via GM Suisse are all import vehicles.

Of the assembled are known to 163 pieces (only the number, not the versions).
Of these, 24 must have been mounted as a 350 SS.
Possibly it was only 19, since it was the last year where Chevrolet were mounted, this is not clear in terms of numbers.

You can tell me GM Suisse S.A. Bienne badge send, I can you this, as far as possible, decode and also send the type certificate.

If you want to send this:

GM_Suisse@gmx.ch

This is my e-mail :-) ... not the Swiss GM ;-) ....

Grtz Tom

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Foreign Camaros / Re: Swiss Camaro, Explanations
« on: September 23, 2018, 08:13:50 PM »
hello Kurt,

in the post "Swiss Camaro" and the Camaro tour de suisse,
Can you write me in which literature you found this?
In the near future I will go to the archive of the "Swiss Car Register" in Switzerland.
I could possibly find something to it.

Tom

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Foreign Camaros / Re: Swiss Camaro, Explanations
« on: August 11, 2018, 11:31:50 AM »
The cars assembled in Biel in the years 1947 - 1963 were exported from Switzerland to the following countries: Austria, Yugoslavia and Italy.

From 1964, it was produced exclusively for the Swiss market (Source: On a Global Mission Volume 3, Site 1127).

The CKD and SUP I have probably confused something, Sorry.

Aslo, CKD is a prefabricated car which in turn is disassembled for shipment. At the destination is rebuilt together. Correct?
And SUP are undefined on an Ato, so miscible with all the other parts?

The LA did not come from me, but from a mechanic at GM Suisse. This is because some chassis were built there for capacity reasons. How far this is true, I can not judge.

I read that from a book published in Switzerland.
Maybe that's wrong.

The with the XCO is not clear what that should be concrete.
Where does this XCO come from, or otherwise you can explain to me what exactly that is?

The '67 Camaro had the same platform as the Chevrolet Nova from 1966. This included the bottom group, windshield / splashboard to the rear.
This started production in 1965 for the 66 models. The 1968 Camaro had the same chassis as the '67 (unless I read it correctly).
This read this date code because it counted from day one.
And since this chassis min. 2 years was built for 1967 + 9168, could theoretically code 730 (instead of 666) exist.
At Opel, this was partly practiced, depending on the model.
That's what my theory is based on.

This is supported by a recent example of the last known CH-Camaro from 1967:

This one has the release number J-294-22. Assuming that the 01.01.1967 has the release code J-1-1, for the first Camaro, the 294th day would be the 18 October 1967.
This fits so far, as the cars were delivered about 8-10 weeks after completion!
The 1st Inverkstag is January 1968 and is doing well there.

This one has the release number J-294-22. Assuming that the 01.01.1967 has the release code J-1-1, for the first Camaro, the 294th day would be the 18 October 1967.
This fits so far, as the cars were delivered about 8-10 weeks after completion!
The 1st Inverkstag is January 1968 and is doing well there.

The X308 behaves like this:
Under www.low-rider.ch exactly the Camaro is shown with the chassis S9-675199.
There he is in black and red interior.
Whether the original is can not be determined.
I assumed that it is original.

So far 214 Camaro from 1967 are known (highest chassis number).

The change of TS. BT ("Typen Schein" and "Bordereau Type") in the CH had the reason in the system of the DTC (Dynamic test Center = GM certificate maker of typing).
Due to the variety of models from about 1968, the system was changed to CH. On the type certificate is the following:
Swiss Type Testing Commission for Motor Vehicles ( In German: Eidgenösische Typenprüfungskommision fuer Motorfahrzeuge )

If you could give me the second Camaro with L-6 di chassis number, or the GM Suisse S.A. Bienne, I would be happy.

The forum is there to discuss. I think it's good that you address that, because you are the one who has the deeper knowledge of the Camaros!

I appreciate that very much and actually want the same thing as you:

To solve the mysteries of CH-Camaros :-)

Grtz Tom

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1969 - Orphans / Re: 1969 documentation list - updated 3/30/2016
« on: August 04, 2018, 10:36:45 AM »
Two friends of mine have this VIN:

124379 N 560718
124379 N 583506

Both were officially ported to Switzerland by GM Biel.
No assembly, only import.

Grtz Tom

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1968 - Orphans / Re: 1968 documentation list - updated 3/30/2016
« on: August 04, 2018, 10:33:10 AM »
Two friends of mine have this VIN:

124378 N 313178
124378 N 439947
124378 N 456185

Both were officially ported to Switzerland by GM Biel.
No assembly, only import.

Grtz Tom

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1967 - Orphans / Re: 1967 documentation list - updated 3/30/2016
« on: August 04, 2018, 10:29:16 AM »
Two friends of mine have this VIN:

124377 N 178867

12467 N 119794

Both were officially ported to Switzerland by GM Biel.
No assembly, only import.

Grtz Tom

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Foreign Camaros / Re: Swiss Camaro, Explanations
« on: July 29, 2018, 12:53:32 PM »
This is just a reflector, without electrical function.
In Switzerland, a vehicle had to be clearly visible and, according to the EJPD (Federal Department of Justice and Police), also recognized as such!

That means in plain text: The Reflected surface must be proportional to the vehicle. For the 67 Camaro the 39.2cm2 (= 15.43307 inches).

The type certificate 5667 also states:
Modified by the importer; Stand lights are combined with flashing lights, reflectors are mounted separately.

The Swiss take it exactly ;-)

Grtz Tom

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Foreign Camaros / Re: Swiss Camaro, Explanations
« on: July 28, 2018, 07:59:55 PM »
Hi all,

Today I was able to watch the only known 67er Camaro with L-6 engine!
Thus, the type certificate 5667 is also clear as with the model number 12337, respectively 12537 is meant.

12337 Import, not assembled in Switzerland
12537 CKD, assembly in Switzerland.

In addition, the Swiss-Camaro 2 rear lights were mounted under the rear bumper.

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Foreign Camaros / Re: Swiss Camaro, Explanations
« on: May 03, 2018, 05:43:38 PM »
The information is just flying :-)

1967 Camaro old: 199, New 214.

Grtz Tom

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Foreign Camaros / Re: Swiss Camaro, Explanations
« on: April 25, 2018, 08:07:54 PM »
Hello everybody,
a little update in between ....

Known numbers:

1960 Corvair 536, Impala 138, unknown 198 pieces
1961 Impala 268, unknown 814
1962 Corvair 360, Impala 538, unknown 804
1963 Corvair 81, Impala 259, Chevy-ll 649, unknown 648
1964 Corvair 54, Chevelle 422, unknown 1488
1965 Corvair 7, unknown 820
1966 Corvair 30, Chevy-ll 7, Chevelle 335, unknown 584
1967 Camaro 199, Chevy-ll 87, Corvair 19, Impala 22, unknown 145
1968 Camaro 163, Chevy-ll 173, unknown 7

I know that I'm least of the Camaro's, the REL. at the 67er models (chassis!) from 01.01.1967 counts.
The 68er models from 21.09.1967.
It is also clear that the Camaro has succeeded in tranches and so in production.
That a number of Camaro's were put on the assembly line next.

I have 2 plaques of 68 Camaro's lie in front of me (photo of course) with the following numbers of the REL.:

J-666-6 and J-666-8 the chassis number S9-685XXX is also different around the 2.
This supports my statement.

Moreover, the theoretical date of construction is July 4, 1969. They are redeemed exactly one month later.
This fits in with GM Suisse's delivery strategy during this time.

Grtz Tom

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Foreign Camaros / Re: Swiss Camaro, Explanations
« on: December 04, 2017, 08:34:33 PM »
I Have found This Production Program from Switzerland of the 1967 !
It's really Cool Stuff and not not easy to get!
It is from one of the many archives of GM-Suisse, and NOT for the public.

Shit happens ...

 8)


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Foreign Camaros / Re: Swiss Camaro, Explanations
« on: December 04, 2017, 08:28:23 PM »
The Post 3 is hard to read.
I Make this a little bid bigger :-)


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