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General Discussion / Real 69 cowl hood or a reproduction ?
« on: November 26, 2016, 07:14:37 PM »
This past June I too answered a CL's ad about a 69 cowl hood.  The seller stated he wasn't a Camaro guy and he wasn't sure if it was an original or reproduction but to come look at it and I can decide.  He received it in trade for some work he'd done and it had been hanging in his detached garage for nearly 25 yrs.  I haven't really ever paid attention to what a reproduction looked like but for his asking price I thought I couldn't go wrong either way.  He was asking $120, I got it for $100.

I read over several other cowl thread and from what I've learned ... It has the standard notching (rear side corners) that a real GM cowl hood has but no "week stamp date" on the drivers rear side metal.

My questions are ... does it appear to be GM original ?   and If it's a GM hood, does the lack of a "date stamp" just mean it wasn't a line production hood or could there also be a chance that a line hood was never stamped ?


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Garage Talk / 2016 Chevy Camaro will Pace the Indy 500
« on: February 24, 2016, 12:59:55 AM »
Thought this was cool...Camaro to pace the Indy once again.

http://gearheads.org/the-all-new-2016-chevy-camaro-will-pace-the-indy-500/

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General Discussion / Chemical Dipping vs Blasting
« on: February 07, 2016, 08:05:50 PM »
Ok,  I'm finally getting some breathing room here and I'm about to start on the Z this summer.  Many of you already know this Z but I'll post a few pics pertaining to my question so you'll have an ideal of it's condition and what my goals are.

I have all body panels (not shown) and they're in excellent condition.  The hull is my main concern.  I plan to keep with ZERO intentions to ever selling.  So I want to do this once and once only.

So...should I have chemically dipped (Not an acid bath) or media blasted ?

I know blasting will not get all the hidden areas AND possibly warp the metal if not done correctly.  Thus also leading to it rusting from the inside areas such as the frame rail, shoulders and rockers.

I know a chemical bath will basically bring it to bare metal and a clean palette to start with.

The cost is minimal between the two and there's actually a place a few hours above me that's been dipping since the 70's.
 https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0ahUKEwib9fjqtebKAhWGKh4KHdgIDcYQFggcMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fautorestorationdepot.com%2F&usg=AFQjCNEyf580JxlTVa-twyd_rJ7J6vQRpg&bvm=bv.113370389,d.dmo

I'm leaning 99.5% towards dipping.  Is there any reason not to dip ?  Is there any hidden sealer that was put in during the process of welding the body together at the factory and would require metal removal to replace the sealer?

Dipping also requires the removal of all aluminum parts.  This would mean removing the VIN and cowl tag which I'm not a proponent of. 

I fill like I'm in between a rock and a hard spot if I dip. Seems like the best method for total care of the metal yet would I be hurting it's value if I remove the tags only to reinstall afterwards ?  Of course I'd fully document and have numerous pics of the tag removal process.

Suggestions please

Thanks all in advance


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General Discussion / 1969 Camaro Convertible Firewall cowl project
« on: December 30, 2015, 03:12:08 AM »
Anyone in need of the entire cowl clip?  Best jump on it now before it's to late  ;D  But first run to your favorite bank and take out a second mortgage !  :o

One can only imagine what he'd want for his parts when he's ready to sell them...YIKES !!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevrolet-Camaro-RS-SS-/252228350160?hash=item3ab9fb30d0:g:H80AAOSwJcZWgHKW&vxp=mtr

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Originality / PB Booster Hose Support Bracket
« on: July 21, 2015, 02:25:45 PM »
Awhile back, going thru some parts I discovered I had another brake booster hose bracket.  I compared it to my original bracket from my '69 Z.  To my surprise it's a dead ringer in every way, shape and form.  Even has the little tab at the top (near the hose hole).  EXCEPT,  it doesn't have the "AAC" stamp on it.  It even carries the same corrosive look as my Z's. 

I've never seen a repop look this good and it looks to old to be a repop.

Could this still be an original bracket without the "AAC" stamp ?  Were there also multiple suppliers for this bracket thus not having the "AAC" stamping ?

In the first pic you can see the bottom is my "AAC" stamped bracket.  And if I didn't indicate which was the AAC stamped bracket in the others,  I don't think you could tell which is which.

Thanks in advance

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General Discussion / Trim rings and center caps
« on: June 29, 2015, 04:14:27 AM »
I don't mean to beat a dead horse on trim rings and caps but I wasn't sure whether to start a new topic or add to my previous thread http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=12511.msg104775#msg104775 since it pertains to my 69 Z  03B build

Please move if necessarily better. 

I pulled my center caps out after reading several threads in reference to them.  I never gave them much thought as to being correct or not as they all looked identical at first look.  I'm missing the original rings but believe I have the original caps.  So I figure I'd post pics and get your thoughts.  Three of the four caps have a "double rib" on the inside and one has only "one rib".  But all have the same part number or what appears to be the part number.

I'm also in the market for original trim rings and from what I now know they should be with the four black clips and complete oval valve stem hole.

Thanks all in advance  :)

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General Discussion / Another Caveat Emptor
« on: April 09, 2015, 03:53:17 AM »
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevrolet-Camaro-Z-28-/311334462551?hash=item487cfae457&vxp=mtr

Bad written all over it !  Bad description,  Repro T.T., Rear date, Trans date and Engine VIN stamp ?   Not sure where they got BU10A for the rear.  I'm seeing BU0610G1 and description states date as "L 289" (cast date).   Am I seeing this correctly, a June stamp with a Dec casting  ???  and a 70's dated Trans.

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Originality / 69 Z Harmonic Balancer or not ?
« on: March 20, 2015, 09:47:06 PM »
Hey guys,  Looking for answers.  I have a chance to grab up this balancer for peanuts.  Basically the guy was gonna pitch it.  Said it was off a 69 Camaro engine, all he knew.  I also grabbed up a set of flawless #3932418 valve covers for $100.  So now this has me wondering.

The balancer has all the making of an original Z balancer except I can't find the 7708M stamp anywhere..notta  ???   It's 8 inches in diameter and 1-3/4 wide, has the offset timing index mark to the keyway also.  Doesn't look like a repop either.. at least not like all the ones I've seen.

What is it or could it be to and is it worth anything ?  ???

Thanks in advance for opinions

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General Discussion / Where have all the RS SS's gone ?
« on: March 13, 2015, 04:48:36 PM »
Here's a few hidden gems (6) just collecting dust, but at least they're inside from the weather.  I was in a warehouse district running an errand when I was told about these Camaros.  So I made a visit,  this is what I saw and was told per owner who's now in his 70's.  He bought all of them during the early 70's (71-73).  All supposedly matching numbers front to back and all original and untouched except for the (1) 68 that had front end damage (reason for the orange nose).  Six first gen true RS SS's stored away for the future..future what?  not sure as the owner told me he has a no plans to sell.   :(

Red '67 RS SS Coupe (was told it has every available option)
Orange nose '68's RS SS (top rack) and a Red 68 RS SS below
Blue '69 RS SS 396 Big block Convertible (top rack)  If I recall the Camaro below was a 71 or 72 Z
Reddish Primer '69 RS SS Convertible (top rack)


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Decoding/Numbers / Looks like another Fake X77 TT
« on: October 21, 2014, 04:14:59 AM »
An X77 for sale with an 03B build and "D80" code.  Must be the earliest D80 produced huh?  ;D

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Decoding/Numbers / 1111480 Distributor dated 9 D 28 .... restamp ?
« on: September 19, 2014, 09:12:17 PM »
Was this a batch run date and re-stamp ?  Did someone turn a "1" into a "0" ?

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Decoding/Numbers / Original Horns #289 & 290 with odd dates or not ?
« on: September 17, 2014, 02:52:35 PM »
Hey all,

Here again with another unique and confusing date.  I was bouncing around and ran across two Delco Remy horns with odd dates.   They show as a #289 dated 1C9 and #290 dated 2C9.

I thought these horns were dated as YR then MTH then Wk and since there's not 9 weeks in a month what are these ?   Are these '71 & '72 and did Delco Remy change their stamping procedures after '69 ?   Or are these '69's and the YR and WK are backwards ? and if that's the case could that of happened 1 week apart from one another.

Also I found an old thread over on Camaro.net from 2006.  A gentleman there was listing his horn dates and also listed that he had a '69 dated 1C9.

Has anyone else ever heard of this happening or seen ?  I posted a pic that shows the "1C9" date, a little hard to see.


Thanks for any input

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Originality / What's the correct Alternator bracket for a 69 Z/28
« on: August 22, 2014, 01:05:31 AM »
Hello all,
Thought I try here for an answer to what are the correct Alternator brackets for a 69 Z/28 with the original alternator.  I was given some parts for a 69 Z that I have and I happen to get 2 different front lower Alternator brackets.   They have different bents in them at different locations.  Ones got to be the correct one.  What would the other be for and why.  I have the factory #837 Alternator as well.  Are the brackets different because the alternators are different from one another.. an #837 from a regular Alt ?

Thanks for any help.  

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General Discussion / 69 Z/28 X77 garage/barn find
« on: August 09, 2014, 03:37:28 PM »
Hello all,
I stumbled across this X77 Z about a month ago thatís been literally garaged and barn kept since 1979-80.  I just got it home yesterday after a longggggg day and late nite.   I wanted to share the story and pics with those interested.  I thought the story was interesting enough to share.

The original owner (Jack) bought it new from Liberty Chevy in New York.  Jack & wife moved from NY to Denver to Texas then settle in Tampa in 1977.  It was driven as a family car until 1978.  Jack traded it off for a $700 trade-in value toward a 4 door family car as they now had a 3 year old son.  (see pic of wife holding son and in stroller, Jack under the hood).  The Z was bought by a lady (2nd owner, who's still a mystery) who only owned it for a year then listed it in the local Tampa News paper to sell (see original paper clipping).  A guy name Tom (3rd owner) bought it from the ad where it was being advertised for $1700 "69 Camaro Z28 good condition, stock from factory".   Can I still sign up ? I'll take a dozen at the price..crazy huh..lol   Tom drove it for 1 year during his senior year in high school 1979.  The Tampa dealer or the mystery 2nd owner repainted it to white with blue stripes, a reverse of the factory colors.  I'm guessing the Tampa dealer repainted, figuring the car being 10-12 yrs old needed a new paint job to get a better sell price (group pics below).  Shortly after graduating Tom started tearing the Z apart because he wanted to freash'n up the motor and repaint it back to it's original colors.  (reason you see car apart in the group pic).  Then again shortly after that Tom passed away from a motorcycle accident and the car sat in his/wifeís garage for the next 20 years untouched until 2000.  In 2000, Phil (4th owner, Toms High School best friend) bought it from Tomís wife.  Phil stated he bought because he knew it was untouched (except for what his frd Tom had done) and all original.  Phil towed it home with the parts boxed up.  There Phil parked it in his climate controlled garage/barn with the intention of rebuilding it someday.  That day never came as Phil said he was also more of a hot rodder than a numbers guy and since this Z retained every original part from the radiator tag to the tire jack and lug nuts he knew it deserved to be restored back to its original condition rather than cut up and hot hodded around.  This guy Phil, coolest dude around.  Had a garage/barn separate from his house.  A/C'd with a dozen other cars inside including his own 68 Camaro and a 70 Chevelle from his high school days.

The Z is complete with the born DZ block/engine, M20 transmission and BU 373 rear.  Has every engine components from the carb to oil pan.  Carb, intake, Alt, balancer, pulleys, heads, smog, chrome breather, crank, cam, "0" rockers, every nut and bolt...Everything !  Original YH rims, brake calipers, suspension, all body panels and Interior.  Interior seats and console are in excellent condition (all wrapped in blankets since 1979).  Z has only 59K original miles
Car needs complete restoration but has 99% of all the born with parts for the car.  Very little metal work needed as it is overall solid from front to back.
Born with color is Dusk Blue code 51 and standard blue Interior code 715 with a white vinyl top.
I have all the original paper work, the original owners name and number who now lives in Arizona.   The POP and even the newspaper clipping when it was for sale for $1700
The original owner, Jack now lives in Arizona.  I was able to get his email address also.  Jack ordered this with power steering, no rear spoiler, flat hood and console w/gauges.  Jack stated the reason he ordered w/o a rear spoiler was because his wife didnít like the way it looked.

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