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Originality / 1968 Camaro Saginaw Factory 4 speed test car
« on: July 12, 2021, 05:31:15 PM »
Saw this on the Facebook and thought it was interesting. Apologies if it is a known car, I did a quick search and did not see it.

1968 rally sport GM four speed test car A executive that worked at the Saginaw transmission plant owned a new car dealership he ordered the Camaro threw his dealership had it shipped to the transmission plant as a four speed test car after the transmission plant was done Testing the car he sold it back to his dealership thatís how the car got out GM rules was to crush all test cars The dealership sold it to Debbie Gray she quit driving out when she couldnít shift it any more no because the linkage got bad she parked the car in the barn on their farm in 1978 until I got itís 327 Saginaw 4 speed bed numbers matching Grecian green it did have a white vinyl top but at the time didnít have it in my heart to put it on thought it was too ugly but easy fix if somebody wants the white vinyl top on this is one truly one of one barn find have not seen another GM 4 speed test car have all the documentation to back it up Thank you for any interest in the car The real price is 160  thousand OBO


Decoding/Numbers / Rare Van Nuys Export Camaro to Yanase Ltd Japan
« on: May 11, 2021, 12:02:59 PM »
Here is something I have never seen, a Van Nuys Export 1969 Camaro for Japanese Dealership Yanase Ltd in Tokyo Japan.

I can't find much about Van Nuys cars built for export or Yanase here on CRG, is there any data on these cars?

Decoding/Numbers / So many options it required 2 window stickers?
« on: November 27, 2020, 11:30:42 PM »
Not sure I have ever seen a documented car with enough options to require 2 window stickers. Looks like a company car order. Lots of other paperwork too. Legit?

Huge multi multi million dollar car collection coming up for sale that supposedly contains 1 of 2 street version ZL-1 prototypes made. The black one with gold stripes and a ZL-1 badge in the grill. Any chance this car is real, or is it one of the clones sold over the years? The collection is very high end and contains so many rare cars, it could be real if it still exists.

Originality / 1968 RS rocker panel molding holes in rear quarter
« on: September 21, 2019, 01:50:28 PM »
On my 1968 RS, the holes in the rear quarter panel are exactly like the ones shown here on CRG in the options section.
That is, there are 2 large holes and one smaller hole for the rear quarter panel molding clips.
The clip kit I have contains 3 retainers of the same kind that all need the large hole.
I am thinking this is a mistake on the clip manufactures side and there should be a different type of clip for use in the smaller hole.
Does anyone have an original car they can confirm?

Decoding/Numbers / Stamp anomalies
« on: April 19, 2019, 05:50:35 PM »
This is a well documented car on ebay that has been judged as having authentic stamps. I am not disputing that, just trying to learn more.
The VIN stamps just look hand stamped and unevenly spaced to me. Was this normal for this time period?
Also, if it was gang stamped and they only incremented the VIN stamps, would there be other VIN stamps near this one with the upside down 8 in the database?

And here is the rear axle stamp, done twice with different dates. Was it the wrong date stamped the first time, or was it sent back for rework and restamped with the new date?

Originality / Green but not Rally Green Camaro
« on: April 02, 2019, 04:14:54 PM »
Special order green paint. Looks a little darker than Rally or Verdoro Green, but nice . Not sure if it's original paint, the door stripe looks a little funny.

Tire size decal on door jamb? Original paint here?

Interesting car with docs.

General Discussion / Tonawanda Engine Plant Memorabilia
« on: March 30, 2019, 02:06:15 PM »
I was at an estate sale the other day near the engine plant in Tonawanda NY. It was obviously a retired employee from the plant. Tons of plant memorabilia and some machine tools. This is not the first estate sale I have run across in the are with Tonawanda or Harrison memorabilia. There are a lot of retirees here.

I picked up a plaque just like this one, but passed on a lot of other stuff. Do you think this kind of stuff has a high value? Any thing high value I should look for in the future?

Also a key chain like this, that says 50 years on the other side. Chevrolet was founded in 1911, so it may be from 1961?

Decoding/Numbers / Multiple factory POP errors or clever fake?
« on: February 28, 2019, 02:29:18 PM »
This car has sold a couple of times recently and been discussed on all the sites, but I have never seen a real explanation for the discrepancies.
Everyone seems distracted by the cool factor and patina. Several have questioned the discrepancies, but no one has addressed the elephant in the room.

The engine date on the POP is completely different from the engine pad stamp
The transmission stamp has 1 letter mistake compared to the POP and the VIN is double stamped with 1 and 2 characters faint or missing on each.

Is this a case of multiple factory errors, an early misguided attempt at forgery, or just a clever fake?


Decoding/Numbers / What do you think of this stamp?
« on: August 02, 2018, 02:15:25 AM »


Ok, this is a bit of a trick question. I know the stamp is a fake. I am just curious if it was done so bad on purpose to prove a point, or if they think it looks genuine. It is on an insurance company display vehicle

General Discussion / Camaro auction on BaT brings out the folklore.
« on: June 12, 2018, 10:27:52 PM »
A recent Camaro auction on BaT sure brought out a lot of old Camaro stories in the comments section. This one about the factory rep coming out and restamping a 1969 DZ block with a 1968 VIN sounds a bit far fetched, but you never know! Well, Kurt S. might know.

HarryQ  326
My first new car was a 68 Z28, this color, 3.70 rear axle, M22 rock crusher close ratio, manual steering, AM/FM, no console, ordered from the Chevrolet dealer where local Waterford Hills racer Tom Swindell was a salesman. My dad, then with GM, ordered it on his employee discount and, I was about to graduate from college.

Within three thousand miles I had bent two push rods. same cylinder. After the second, the dealer service manager accused me, politely, of over-revving it.

Shortly after my dad told me he was in a meeting sitting next to Jim Musser, then assistant chief engineer for Chevrolet. He relayed the story about my bent pushrods. Jim asked the same question about was I over-revving, and satisfied with my dadís answer, said he would look into it. My dad called me soon after saying they wanted to look at my engine.

A few days later I got a call from the service manager at the dealership. ďWe have an engine for your car.Ē I left it for a couple of days, and when I picked up the car, the service manager told me what I had. It was a 1969-spec DZ302, which had 4-bolt main bearing caps. But the best part owas he told me was that the GM employee who delivered the engine and supervised the swap had brought with him the number dies to stamp in my original VIN on the blank machined area of the block.

I got drafted shortly thereafter, and ended up the remainder of two years after basic training at Aberdeen Proving Ground, with a PFC wage less than my car payment. My wife, who found a teaching job, made enough to allow us to make the payments.

Never ever had a problem with the internals. I added an Addco rear sway bar, and on weekends I enjoyed driving it on twisty paved roads of Southeast Pennsylvania near APG.

I got out of the service and joined a struggling small company in Ann Arbor, with no savings. After 103 thousand miles on that same, likely hand-built motor, the air cleaner stud backed itself out of the carb, the wing nut unscrewed itself, and the stud slipped into one of the cylinders. I didnít have money to repair it, but I had a buddy who swapped me even for a working 307 4-barrel engine he had pulled out of his 1969 Camaro when he swap in something hotter, and over a weekend we performed the change. My now destroyed one of one 4-bolt main numbers-matching 1968 Z28 went on several thousand miles until I sold it for enough to make the down payment on my next car.

My buddy rebuilt the Z28 motor to put in his boat.

Here is the auction. Ended at $50,500. A nice looking car, but a bit higher than I expected for a suspected restamp.

Decoding/Numbers / Original X33 trimtag?
« on: August 24, 2017, 06:37:41 PM »
I saw this tag on a car for sale by a very well informed seller. It looks like a reproduction to me.

Opinions please?

NOR154686 12B X33

I am always looking for a nice 1968 N30 steering wheel and have seen hundreds of them. I have never seen one like this.  It's either a very rare item, or it was custom made. I am leaning towards custom made. Thoughts?

I have never seen hounds tooth called Dalmatian and its spelled wrong so I suspect this is a reproduction window sticker.

Also, the trim tag is coded for special paint, but I cant figure out what code HA would be on the WS.



Decoding/Numbers / Loose trim tag and VIN for sale on ebay
« on: April 10, 2016, 11:32:26 PM »
Loose trim tag and VIN for sale on ebay.

NOR213535  VIN not visible

Seller also has some other Camaro stuff for sale as well.
Care for some old crusty springs for $1200?

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