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Restoration / Gutting Original Y55
« on: April 14, 2019, 04:58:20 PM »
I added this information to my build thread on Team Camaro but thought I'd list it here for future use and if anyone has any good suggestions for battery to stuff inside the Y55 case.
The what was NOS Y55 battery I had added juice and charged in the spring of 2016 gave out on me when I tried to start the car to load this past MCACN. Geez, only 2 plus years, maybe I should have gutted it to begin with.  Luckily I had another Y55 but a later version that only has “DELCO” script and not the more correct “DELCO ENERGIZER” wording to install for the MCACN show. I did make several checks on that battery but it would not hold a charge so knew what the next step was. Was not looking forward but it was time to work to gut the battery so another smaller one could be placed in the gutted housing. There have been articles written about this that were given to me from a NCRS friend and a friend had gutted his original Y77 (Skip’s orange Z/28) so I had some information but one still gets a little goosey when you start to drill, cut, and remove the batteries guts. If you ever do this be patient and plan on spending several hours.

First thing other than safety items like glasses and rubber gloves was to wear old clothes knowing removing the battery acid might cause havoc. After removal of the battery acid I used baking soda to neutralize the acid removed and also mixed baking soda in warm water to pour in the cells which I did 4 different times working to neutralize the inside of the battery.

Took some 1X3 lumber pieces and make a simple frame to support the battery top posts while I have it upside down doing surgery and taped off both battery and frame to protect battery surface.

Placed some wire ties around circumference and made as tight as possible for support. Tools used were drill, Dremel with cutting blade, and assortment of hand tools. Marked one inch in and drilled corner holes and then the Dremel cutting blade to start the surgery.

What you see when you remove the cut out bottom and now the long process of removing all this junk.

After several hours its finally cleaned out and now to find what battery I’m going to use knowing some more clean out of internal ribbing will be needed, but the worse is over. Any suggestions on battery to use? The NCRS guys have used Miata batteries! More info forthcoming as we finish this part of the project.

General Discussion / Bloomington Gold adding Camaro's for 2019
« on: December 30, 2018, 12:45:32 AM »
This is a hot topic over at the Corvette Forum. No judging as of this 2019 but possibly in the future. The bad news for some might be the same weekend is the Frederick, MD Camaro Nationals, and Chevrolet Nationals in Carlisle.

General Discussion / Trying to find 69Z 124379N621880
« on: September 06, 2018, 02:20:31 AM »
Assisting car friend acquaintance (Dan) to find the 69 Z/28 with vin 124379N621880. It was sold several times during 2017 so this Z/28 with aforementioned vin exists. Looking for any help in finding and contacting the current owner due to Dan having the original block which he recently added to the CRG orphan list. The block is factory stamped with partial vin “19N621880” and DZ engine assembled March 19, 1969.
This Z/28 is Burnished Brown, White vinyl roof and stripes with white vinyl interior and was advertised with a recent restoration when it was sold at an auction last year.
Believe last known sales was at St Louis Car Museum And Sales, lot # RST-714704. Thanks in advance for any possible assistance.  The only goal here is to earnestly try to get the engine back with the Z/28 it was born with.

Car picture courtesy of Rick Carey’s Collector Car Auction Results:

Originality / Original door mirror fame
« on: December 13, 2017, 09:25:41 PM »
During Legends judging I had a demerit since our original door mirror had no mold line in the mirror frame but I had had it re-chromed so it was assumed including me, that during preparation the mold line had been removed. The mirrored glass is dated October 1967. I had taken out the dated glass by soaking in mineral spirits for a couple days. Seemed unlikely they would have buffed that seam out but at the time the only thing I could think of at the time.   
Our mirror base showing the underneath part # and the top area normally seeing a mold line.

My assumption that the mold line was taken off at the chrome platters kind of changed or at least cautioned when I observed a very original un-molested Lemans Blue 21K mile 68 Z/28 being judged in that always great survivor class at this years MCACN which just happened to have the same looking door mirror base as ours.

Has anyone else seen this no seam looking door mirror base? To be honest I’ve never looked at mirrors on cars prior looking to see if the mirror had a mold line or not but I am now. Thanks in advance for any information.

Originality / 1968 Z/28 distributors 1111266 to 1111467
« on: July 15, 2017, 11:38:48 PM »
1967 Z/28’s had 1111266 distributors and apparently large batches were made as many early 68 Z/28’s have them including at least three CRG members (Randy, Paul, and myself). This is an effort to help establish how long into the 68 model year were 266’s used and when did 467’s start. According to a GM memo in Jerry’s book 266’s were to be exhausted before 467’s went into use. Did it happen? When did the 467 start to show up? Since the distributor was put in at the Flint engine plant please give the assembly date of your engine, 266 or 467 and date code of distributor. Information from;all and here
A few I have:
11/21/67- Jerry –has 266 dated 7G20    
??/??/67- Jim- (169Indy)has 266 dated 7G20 (CE block NCRS report car built 12/26/67)                               
12/21/67- Chick –has 266 dated 7A25 (NOR 01B)                                  
12/21/67 Randy (Dutch) has 266 dated 7A25 (NOR 02C)                               
??/??/?? Paul (68RSZ28) has 266 dated 7A25 (LOS 02C-sent Paul PM for eng. build date)              
05/23/68- Danny’s had 467 dated 8E03 (NOR 05E)

Originality / Original Born with Battery Trays LOS NOR
« on: January 16, 2017, 10:12:27 PM »
Subject- Original born with Battery Trays found on 67-69 Camaro’s from LOS & NOR.
Realize many CRG members spend time on other Camaro websites but not everybody and thought this was a worthwhile subject to make sure it is documented and hopefully placed in the “Pictures and information of original details” section. Information on how this subject matter came up from MCACN show can be found in my build thread:
Special thank you to Steve who was able to show me examples of what is normally observed while inspecting original survivor type Camaro’s in Vintage Certification. Examining what is unique to original born with compared to GM service replacements include some things that can be seen and some not when installed.
Most noticeable is a tab where the battery hold down clamp bolts on. Please note I have not seen this tab on any service replacement battery tray to date and have observed some old ones on ebay for sale. A few examples including one Steve posted-

Darrell’s 03D 68 NOR L78

Danny’s 05E 68 NOR Z/28

Jerry’s 07C 68 NOR Z/28

Skip’s 07D 68 NOR Z/28

Steve showed this 01C 69 LOS

06A 69 by Yenko’s SSL78

Skip’s 09D 69 NOR Z/28

Now compare that tab area to this NOS service replacement. Different design!

The service replacements have the nuts used to bolt the tray in place from the bottom oriented straight. On every original born with tray so far each of the two nuts are oriented the same but each one is oriented differently from the other (see 01C 69 for good view).  Look at the tab of the examples and note how each one’s tab tapers from one end to the other.
Can anyone add to this? Here is a simple chart of examples which includes Jon's 67 low mileage take off which has correct oriented nuts.
67               Jon’s 1100 mile take off-No Tab- Has angled nuts
67 11A LOS Has tab but not as pronounced as many. Robert
68 03D NOR Has tab Darrell
68 05E LOS Has tab Danny
68 06A NOR Has tab DaveV
68 07C NOR Has tab JerryG
68 07D NOR Has tab Skip
69        LOS  Has tab Mike1971
69        NOR Has tab Mike1971
69 11A NOR No tab Has angled nuts & orig. battery hold down clamp. Noyenko
69               Has tab but not as pronounced as many. Noyenko
69 01C NOR Has tab Jude
69 02D NOR Has tab SteveS
69 03B NOR Has tab SteveS
69 09A NOR Has tab (late built) Robert
69 09D NOR Has tab (late built) Skip

General Discussion / MCACN
« on: October 30, 2016, 10:37:00 PM »
Just wondering how many members are attending MCACN in Rosemont (Chicago area) which is now less than 3 weeks away. As some of you know from my build thread on Team Camaro we are taking our recently completed 68Z there. I've been addressing a few items that were rushed to complete in June and believe she is ready to go. Some of those recent updates I need to place in the build thread to keep that up to date but what's important here is, Who's Going? Anyone else taking a car?

General Discussion / Jon's great #1 67 Z/28 write up on MSN
« on: October 23, 2016, 12:08:17 AM »
As most of you know Jon has been a great friend to our hobby and assists many with information and assistance. This was an excellent article on Jon's 67 Z/28 that was the first one built. What a NEAT Camaro!

General Discussion / Great Day 2 1967 Camaro L88
« on: October 22, 2016, 11:41:42 PM »
I know Grady who owns this car and its one cool car. M22Mike was involved with this as he and Grady are good friends. Mike does some excellent work so nice job Mike as always!

Original Cars and Details / Details of a 68 RS Z/28
« on: August 16, 2016, 02:59:39 AM »
A real local 1968 RS Z/28 survivor purchased from Ammon R. Smith and has been local owned (2 owner) its entire car life. I had told Byron I was going to get this posted by July so a little late but hopefully we can get this moved to our CRG Survivor Category as there are a lot of neat features/pictures and things to discuss on this late 07D built Z/28 like how it was parked and reason why.

Originality / COPO Survivor Complete Smog Set-up--Wow
« on: August 12, 2015, 12:01:25 AM »
Good friend of mine just picked up a complete smog set-up that came off a 69 COPO hugger orange RS Camaro with white interior. Original owner told him he took it off when the car was two weeks old and it looks like it. Thought I'd post some pictures for future reviews as set-ups like this are rare and its pretty neat to see exactly what it was like from the factory. Great piece of Camaro history.

Originality / L89 at Local Car Show
« on: June 13, 2015, 11:31:52 PM »
A couple friends and I went to a local church car show today and there was a L89 Camaro there, and its a local car! Picture of the window sticker not very good due to behind glass and sun but the build sheet is amazing. Was told it was up under the dash area. Bergy was there also and maybe he saw it as well. They were expecting 1000 cars at this church show. Amazing!

General Discussion / 69 Medium Red Custom Interior 719
« on: March 09, 2015, 01:39:20 AM »
I have a good friend who owns a 69 Z/28 that is Garnet Red with the red custom (719) gut but the car was changed to hounds-tooth back in the 80's. I would appreciate if a member could contact me as my friend would love to have some pictures of a similar interior Camaro as he is going to put it back to original. Thanks in advance to anyone who might be able to help.

Originality / Fuel Pump Backing Plate
« on: September 21, 2014, 11:00:37 PM »
I have this in our build thread but wanted to hopefully gain some opinions here among the experts. This summer I learned from a member that Legends Judging in Frederick, MD deducted points for not having the aforementioned backing plate painted black. I currently do not have mine painted and now have to decide to take off or let it the way it is. Why do I have it non-painted and bare metal? Well for two reasons! One, we know the fuel pump and plate were installed at the final assembly plant, not the engine plant and according to JohnZ ( “The fuel pump mounting plate was normally installed as unpainted raw steel. The Chevrolet Central Office Paint Standards Department issued a "Painted Parts List" to the assembly plant Paint Superintendents which identified the raw parts which were to be primed black in the plant's small parts paint system; if a part wasn't on that list, it wasn't supposed to be painted.” And “in NCRS Flight Judging, we expect to see the mounting plate unpainted.” Second reason, before finding John's information I had two fuel pump backing plates in my box of parts, one from a 67 327 and the other from our 68 302 and guess what, one was painted black and the other bare metal. After the research I decided to have our plate bare metal for the engine re-build and restoration which I completed months ago but now I'm not sure what judges expect to see or what is the norm. I checked my friends two survivors (68 & 69 Z's) and both of those plates seem to be painted black. Checked with a well known restorer of Gen I Camaro's and other GM products and he communicated he's seen them both ways, both painted black and bare metal. If I'm going to change it to black now is the time but wondering what others have found as one part of me says to let it alone and the other says change it to not get into any BS. Penny for your thoughts/ideas/findings! Has anyone had points deducted for not having their fuel pump plate bare metal?
Here are the two plates I had documented, left one painted, right one not:

Painted plate appears to have been dip painted as many other parts:

The painted plates bottom edge showing paint:

Now the fuel pump plate that appears to have no paint & bare metal:

Note the bottom edge of this plate appears to have no paint:

General Discussion / Govt Seized Yenko's & Muscle Cars
« on: September 14, 2014, 11:37:12 AM »
Did not see this here so thought it might be interesting to many to see many felons like cars also! Just got back from vacation and was checking up on news and this was very interesting in what they ended up going for.

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