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General Discussion / Re: 68 front fender bezels
« on: July 28, 2022, 07:51:11 PM »
Well I now have another part I will have to look for at swap meets. Never knew they were different. I have the repops all around my car.

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Garage Talk / Re: This hobby is dying
« on: June 28, 2022, 10:14:41 PM »
I doubt the scenario will be the same. If there is enough desire for the first gen camaro for dynacorn to build bodies of them, and how having a 5 seat muscle car can still be a practical fun driver. I would worry more about some of the corvette models. The owners of those are getting long in the tooth, and I think some of those C3 and C4 models could have trouble in collectability over the longer run

Yeah those Vettes are finally on the upswing in value at least to me locally. 74-82 Vettes are jumping in value, you used to not be able to give a rubber bumper vette away. I was looking at 74/75 roadster and they are now bringing 30-45k depending on motor and trans. C4s used to be big for donor cars for street rods in the 90s and now clean base models are past the 15k mark when you used to get them under 10k not to long ago. Stuff like the ZR1s and Grand Sports are booming, even C5 Corvettes are starting to rise again. Same could be said with 3rd and 4th gen Camaro and Firebirds, their values have skyrocketed over the last year or two.

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I am installing them on a 68.
I have a friend (& CRG-Member) that was interested in the same question. He consulted a crg core member whom indicated that even use of these on a 69 would require removal or major linkage Mods.

yeah I dont see those fitting with the lockout and without taking a the ballpeen hammer to cleat a power steering box. Curious as well on the fit in a 68 as I have tossed the idea around on my car a few times.

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Garage Talk / Re: This hobby is dying
« on: June 06, 2022, 04:19:21 AM »
Its not fully dying, but I will say the restoration and preservation group is getting smaller, but I know quite a few people my age (30) and younger than still love playing with muscle cars and older stuff. Then there is still the massive group that like to LS swap all the old cars, I guess that's better than just tossing out the old stuff for scrap, but then to defend the younger crowd, its not cheap to restore or just maintain the old cars. When I look at project first gen Camaro's it hard for many to buy a decent project. Was just looking at a 69 RS coupe on facebook. 16 grand for a car that had the bottom 2 inches rotted off, no drivetrain, half the interior missing. Then all the metal work just to make it a solid base is gonna make many go broke.

I admit I have hoped that the early hot rods would start to get cheap as that age group that preferred them started dying off, but the pricing has only gone up, have not dropped at all.

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Actually not surprised it did not sell. The asking price of 950K is way beyond its value in my opinion. Yes, its a very important, beautifully restored with race history. I'm not alone on this, since there were no bidders. Now, that said, lets look at what its value is. Since we have to compare it to other top dog T/A cars like a Bud Moore Mustang, and also a Penske Javelin. What are those cars going for? That should give a ballpark value. You agree?

Yeah I am not surprised either. I dont thing many (if any) of the HTA cars could fetch that kind of money. Maybe something like the Penske Lightweight 67 or the 68 Championship car would be the only ones I can see maybe getting close, but I still dont think they would. Would be a sizeable bump but not that big of one.


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Garage Talk / Re: Pomona Swap Meet
« on: January 23, 2022, 03:13:51 AM »
Never been to Pomona, but Portland is similar of needing to be there early. I have had a booth there for years selling some parts and to also get early access into to the swap to score stuff, plus side of Portland is its 3 days long.

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General Discussion / Re: 302 chevy SB with three duces
« on: January 13, 2022, 05:49:00 AM »
I would think a Tri-Power/Six Pac is better on the street than a dual 4 set up. Mopar, and some Fords did pretty well with them. Especially the 435 HP Tri-Powered Corvettes that was in production up until 1969.

While not in stock forms, I have both sets up on cars in the garage right now. A all Edelbrock dual quad set up on a 350 small block in one car and a tri power set up thats an offy manifold with Rochester 2GC carbs on a small block. Street wise the tri power is hands down better. The dual quads tend to load up more often in traffic. The tri power also gets better mileage. The dual quad is only slightly better at WOT. The tri power works better on 327 and smaller small blocks I have found. Dual quads work good on the 350 thats got alot of speed parts. You need to go out and open the dual quads up more often than a tri power setup. 

I agree with JohnZ there were 3 duce intakes for smallblocks made by Edelbrock or Offy. There was one with 2GC,s on Graigslist around here a couple years ago for less than 1K.  I thought about it but the carbs were all regular 2 barrels, but probably should have got it anyway. I think GM banned multiple carbs except the vette after the 1966 model year. Up to 66 pontiac and Olds had tripower since the 50,s. The chevy 348 also had tripower until 1961.

Yes GM banned multiple carbs after 66 except the vette in terms of production line units. Most of those aftermarket tri power intakes are setup for the 2GC's, but they also made them with Stromberg carb bases as well, but you dont see it much for Chevy engines, you only see the Stromberg bases when you are dealing with 4x2 and 6x2 intakes. With those SBC intakes you would go a take the carbs off a 348 setup to use as they were already ready to go. They run really good on the 348 motors.

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Garage Talk / Re: Most famous celeb 'Car Guy'
« on: December 30, 2021, 10:43:31 PM »
How about people who are not celebrities and have large collections? They don't count? Like your local gearhead who turns wrenches and does bodywork and paint everdyay. I deal with them all week. My friend and his wife own over 60 classics including funny cars. No disrespect but I'm not going to worship a celebrity.  Has anyone seen the two brothers who have the largest collection of muscle cars. Google it. Surprised it is not posted on this site. They do not want the world to know who they are. But they do have some cars that they beat the living heck out of. Gearheads.

Ive been through that Brothers Collection, its just jaw dropping at the stuff in there.

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General Discussion / Re: Questions about a 69 Z/28
« on: September 28, 2021, 02:59:18 PM »
Ended up passing on the car, we just dont have the space to store another car in a million pieces while working on another project thats in a million pieces.

Yup...silver with blue on blue sounds plenty cool to me.  8)

If you get it, why not just build an LT1 for it and enjoy it before you flip it. The 350 packs much better HP and torque than a 302. Truth be known, the 302's are weak out of the whole and don't pack much torque. It's the mystique that surrounds the 302 and the sounds that make them cool when they are buzzed north of 7K, but that's where they were vulnerable to spitting out rods or dropping a valve. In fact, a modern 355 with some good rods and some decent heads will destroy most 302's.

Build a nice 350 or a stroker for it maybe and make it look perfectly stock. That works real nice IMO.

I would have built the 302 or a stout little 327 if we had picked it up. I have a built 70 LT1 in my 33 pickup that has put a lot of big blocks to shame at the drag strip, but I still prefer a 283/302/327 over a 350 and I would never build a 383, to me they are only good for a boat anchor. I have never liked them, I would build a 400 if I wanted a torque small block.

But we didnt get it, but now have the fire to get the current project done and sold to find the next project we can shove a 348 we have on the stand in.

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General Discussion / Re: Questions about a 69 Z/28
« on: September 14, 2021, 03:37:13 PM »
well we are gonna make an offer and see what happens on this car. Would be a fun project to restore and drive for a bit. I have never been in a car with a 302, lots of hot 327s but no 302. In the long run though it would be a build and flip as we have thought about it last few days. So not really going to push to get it.

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General Discussion / Re: Questions about a 69 Z/28
« on: September 12, 2021, 11:24:39 PM »
That is a pretty cool color combo PERSONALLY I would want it with the top- however if I were planning to resell I would leave the top off. It being much easier to install to make a sale rather than to remove to make a sale. 

Doing the car correctly will cost at least 20k in parts and materials - THAT'S
IF the original interior is in good shape minus carpet - the wheels are correctly dated, correct distributor, alternator, correctly dated carb, smog pump etc and there is no metal replacement needed. 
If it includes all the correctly dated $$ components and the car is solid plus you have 600-800 hours - and 20k additional for parts materials to out lay I wouldn't want to be much deeper in the car than 20k.



yeah the motor is pretty much missing everything correct. I didnt see any pulleys or top end. I know its missing the intake. The heads were the over the counter replacements. The interior pars are in decent shape. front seats just need covers. Was a console with gauges car. Dash had center clock and correct tach for its build date. Console could be save able. Someone in the early 70s stuck a bunch of toggle switches on the driver side up near the gauge area. Body was pretty solid, only rust issue I saw was at the top of the A post on both sides, but nothing was rotten through. Wheels are not correct. Does have 15x7's up front but then has a pair of 8's on the rear. At best its going to be a car that will look stock and correct, but its never gonna be a high point car its just not complete enough, but its not gone enough to go sticking random stuff on it.

At best it can be a car that will look original

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General Discussion / Re: Questions about a 69 Z/28
« on: September 12, 2021, 08:10:26 PM »
As far the resto, it would be my grandfather and I doing the work on it.

That may be priceless.


yes and no, yes I always enjoy doing the work with him and its always great, but this would be car number 6 or 7 we have done.

If you do, keep the Cortez Silver paint code but change to black vinyl top and RED interior color.. :)


If we get the car, would keep the blue interior. The top has already had all the nubs ground off, but all the trim is still with the car, so would be a toss up if we put the vinyl top back on.

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General Discussion / Re: Questions about a 69 Z/28
« on: September 12, 2021, 05:59:36 PM »
With X33 on the tag, the car may have been built late enough for the 'con VIN' to be stamped on the side of the block. It would be on the rib alongside the oil filter. Often hard to read.

Unless you are handy with tools, most muscle car projects of this nature will cost more to restore than they are worth. The paint/trim on this one won't help. 


well the block is not the original motor to the car. The current owner bought the motor back in the 90's out of a Nova. Block is a Sept 68 casting date He bought this car minus the 302 back in the late 70's early 80's. As far the resto, it would be my grandfather and I doing the work on it. We did my both my 68 Chevy's so thats not really the big issue. Our issue getting this thing together and then be stuck with it. I know this car will never be a 6 figure car, but also dont want to jump into it when in the end its not worth more than a modified I6 car done to look like a Z/28

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General Discussion / Questions about a 69 Z/28
« on: September 12, 2021, 02:56:03 AM »
So I went and looked a 69 that was claimed to be a Z/28 and after looking at it, I would say its a real one, but it had a few issues. The good was that it was a X33 car and the tag/rivets looked good. Main issue is of course the motor and trans. trans is long gone. Has a super T10, but the motor is a 69 302 motor that is in the window for correct casting date to cars build date. Problem is they have decked the block and the while the Z is legible, the D is almost gone and the rest of numbers are non existent. My main question is currently how big of hit is that in value on the cars currently? It does have the correct crank in it and pop up's. not sure on the rods. The 12 bolt and 4 leaf springs are still in the car and alot of the other stuff checks out as pointing to the real thing. Car is a odd color combo too. Is a factory Cortez Silver car, with dark blue vinyl top and dark blue std interior. Its a total project and in a million pieces, so trying to gauge what would be end value if restoring the car back close to how it came originally.

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