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1969 - Orphans / Re: 9N599457 Muncie M21
« on: January 20, 2018, 10:21:38 PM »
Did you add the details here (Orphans) Bryon? I searched before posting but may have missed it.
Anyway, wondered if you noted if it's date code is '03' or '08' having seen it in person.

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1969 - Orphans / Re: 9N599457 Muncie M21
« on: January 20, 2018, 12:42:18 PM »
Some of the pictures from ebay:



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1969 - Orphans / 9N599457 Muncie M21
« on: January 19, 2018, 11:14:34 PM »
Muncie M21 transmission
124379N599457 or 124679N599457
Main case 3925660
Assembly stamp P9B03B or possibly P9B08B
Listed on ebay: https://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-M21-Muncie-Camaro-z28-SS-aluminum-4speed-sp-Transmission-oem-Chevy-trans/122922017685
Located: Berlin Connecticut USA
Seller ID: chyblu
Buy It Now $1295.00

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General Discussion / Re: Camaro Numbers by State
« on: January 19, 2018, 02:19:34 AM »
Another idea for original delivery, is if each person that has  a NCRS report or an original protect-o-plate stated the original city and state, that may paint a little bit of a picture.
Well, I'll take the bait. Interested to see the assembly plant versus selling dealer state, too.
Assembled Van Nuys CA, sold at Covina CA, now resides in the state of New South Wales, Australia  8)

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General Discussion / Re: A First Generation Camaro LEGACY ?
« on: January 13, 2018, 10:23:59 PM »
I've been following this with interest, but have held off replying until now.
A couple of thoughts:

- The intent of such a database is presumably to prevent fraud/misrepresentation for financial gain, but if a car was cloned 30 years ago, the deception has already happened. Some owners of such cars may be willing to provide details that would confirm them as fakes to prevent furthering that deception, but many wouldn't (or would not accept it in the face of facts).
- A database for the benefit of the hobby and for collectors should surely include all models and all 3 model years, not just what some of us consider the most desirable? Most hobby forums have members who are knowledgable about certain models and years, but to cover everything accurately is hugely problematic.
- As evidenced by this and other sites, even fully-documented cars aren't bullet-proof. GM of Canada docs for a valid VIN can be cloned onto another car (rebody), or faked altogether - not all buyers verify first, notarized statements from original owners should be treated with caution, and the rise in faked P-o-Ps, dealer invoices, MSOs etc is huge.
- Plenty of these cars reside in foreign countries (like my own) and it's impossible to get these inspected in person. What would likely happen is the database would be divided up into tiers - believed genuine, maybe (with some questionable items), believed non-genuine. This 'status' if made available to the general masses would impact on a car's perceived value and that will be an issue for some (many?) owners. Legal liability issues?
- The only way I could see such a database being as accurate as possible would be if the same expert physically inspected each car - a mammoth undertaking, and who would foot the bill or have the time/resources?
- With no disrespect intended, I have seen cars appraised and certified as such-and-such a desirable RPO on the basis of number of fuel lines, heater box style, firewall penetrations etc when there is zero documentation or any drivetrain component remaining - basically a rolling shell. I don't doubt the credibility and knowledge of those doing the certification, but my point is that without an inspection, what is there to go on from photos and descriptions to populate a database that is seen as credible?

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General Discussion / Re: 1969 space saver spare hook mount location?
« on: January 13, 2018, 12:32:53 AM »
Looks great without the decklid spoiler, nice clean lines. Mine came with D80 originally, so that'll stay, but now that I am older I much prefer the understated look of a Camaro without F&R spoilers.
Now back to the spare: I recall when researching the length of the correct J-hook for my car, that there were different factory configurations for coupe, convertible, full-size and space-saver. Unfortunately I can't help with any hold-down bracket location dimensions.
However, a couple of observations on your picture (I realise you probably know all this):
1) I believe the spare wheel was intended to be placed upside-down in the trunk, i.e. with the valve stem pointing down - maybe this helps fit the inflator can?
2) Jack mast was to be installed on a diagonal angle, touching the passenger wheelhouse and the other end fitting in the angle bracket near the forward trunk center.
3) Tire should be touching the seatback and the passenger wheelhouse.

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Decoding/Numbers / Re: Documentation for 9N657909
« on: January 08, 2018, 09:35:51 AM »
Relisted, still with pictures of fake MSO and BBC, but minus any reference to, or picture of, the fake CHP appraisal certificate. Buy Now $84,995
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-Chevrolet-Camaro-Z-28/142646826146

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Restoration / Re: Posi tag on rear before or after painting
« on: December 30, 2017, 11:38:57 PM »
Did the assembly-line posi tags have 'DIFF.' or 'DIFF'?

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General Discussion / Re: 1968 special paint
« on: December 30, 2017, 08:55:27 AM »
Good eye Jon!

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General Discussion / Re: Green LM1 on ebay
« on: December 29, 2017, 12:00:43 PM »
Saw that over there too. Neat car, the seller is obviously a Camaro fan and has made a very thorough job of writing the ad. Those LM1s are really growing on me, and I love the DX1 stripe.

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General Discussion / Re: Billboard Z
« on: December 26, 2017, 03:43:40 AM »
I saw this car a while back in an article.
http://www.hotrod.com/articles/1969-chevrolet-camaro-z28-z-lite/
Nice car and ownership story. Pity the article continues with the idea that early Z28s had flat hoods and later builds all had the cowl hood.

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General Discussion / Re: Sticker fun
« on: December 26, 2017, 01:28:04 AM »
Hmmm my car still has a Playboy bunny sticker on each quarter glass, along with other period race stickers.... you can just make them out in my avatar pic from 1971. Now very tired and faded, but I'm not planning to replace them with new ones.

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Decoding/Numbers / Re: Documentation for 9N657909
« on: December 17, 2017, 09:46:51 AM »
Thanks. Haven't seen enough MSOs or BBCs to call it 100%, but there were enough changes of font size, style and legibility in those to be almost certain. Surprised Jerry doesn't put a unique serial number on his appraisal certificates to help prevent those being altered; expect some potential buyers would just see the certificate as proof positive and wouldn't check facts with him before buying.....
For future search 124379N657909

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Decoding/Numbers / Documentation for 9N657909
« on: December 17, 2017, 04:20:31 AM »
I admit to being biased towards a Cortez Silver Z28, so naturally this one caught my attention:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-Chevrolet-Camaro-Z-28/142626598240

However, looking through the detailed pictures I noted a number of red flags - like the stamped codes (!) down by the oil filter. Then the size of the font for the VIN sequence differs from the rest of the VIN on the CHP appraisal certificate, as well as certain spacing, so I wonder about the rest of the 'documentation' - broadcast copy, MSO......
Interested in your thoughts. Not trying to start vendor bashing, so could we please keep it factual  8)
Here's a few of the photos from the above ebay listing:





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Originality / Re: 68 and 69 Console Gauge Pod Trim
« on: December 12, 2017, 06:38:22 AM »
OK thanks Ed. Gauge cover is definitely not a reproduction, but I will have to check it again closely for any hint of silver around the edges. Might have missed it during initial look.....
Dave, I was going to post the link to daven1256's thread with pictures showing the silver edge, but the pictures are gone thanks to photobucket.....

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