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Decoding/Numbers / Re: Caveat Emptor - 124379N5804xx X11 307 car to X77 Z/28
« on: September 22, 2018, 07:32:57 PM »
And I think the first obscured digit in the VIN photo is a '4', making it 124379N5804xx.

I agree.  I edited the first post topic line to reflect that, but not all of the other posts after.

Full floor could save this car.  Not for the faint of heard, but with a rotisserie and dedication, it could be done.

Decoding/Numbers / Re: 1967 Camaro Number matching
« on: September 20, 2018, 02:20:09 PM »
Dates line up good. I would say engine is original to the car. :)

Decoding/Numbers / Re: 1967 Camaro Number matching
« on: September 20, 2018, 03:32:38 AM »
Need at least the cowl tag month and week code. Might be 04A.

Decoding/Numbers / Re: Thoughts on this stamp?
« on: September 19, 2018, 02:31:14 PM »
After the CE, the next digit appears to be a 2. That means a 1972 model year CE (Chevrolet Engine).

As William stated, unless you have paperwork to determine when it was replaced, there is no telling when that was put in the car. Could have been in the 80s, 90s or even more recent. I have several CE coded blocks, with casting dates from the late 1967 calendar year into 1974.

Some information here.

I have heard stories that when parts were replaced under warranty that local dealerships were told to destroy the damaged parts locally. Think sledgehammer.

General Discussion / Re: NCRS Can't Provide Dealer Name
« on: September 19, 2018, 01:12:51 PM »
The shipping dealer (not necessarily the original selling dealer) being available depends on knowing what the dealer number was at that time.

There is a little bit more of an explanation at this link.

Not all dealer codes are currently known.

If it was me, I would get the information. We can try to help narrow it down for you, but no guarantees.

Decoding/Numbers / Re: Inaccurate Partial VIN on Engine!?
« on: September 19, 2018, 11:52:22 AM »
I will send you a pm with details either later today or tomorrow.

Hi. Yes i checked the partial VIN under the windshield cowl match. This car is a base model 327 PG trans car from what i can tell. Old Marina blue paint and Black std buckets.....NON RS or SS convertible. I bought 2 Convertibles and lot of parts in group deal. Previous owner obviously had more than these two camaros from where they came from at some point in time. I bought the cars from a "car flipper" who actually never unloaded them off his 3 car trailer from his trip back to Colorado from Wisconsin. The flipper refused to reveal previous owner info thinking he would lose oportunity to make more money.....we agreed on a $ deal if the car in Wisconsin was right for the tags, but he never got back to me. There is a very small chance i can check into these facts with any luck. I have doubts about finding the Pace car......needle in a gigantic hay stack!


Well I do wish you good luck. Stranger things have happened, so hopefully the end result is a good one. 

Decoding/Numbers / Re: Inaccurate Partial VIN on Engine!?
« on: September 18, 2018, 06:10:46 PM »
OK, as you suspected, that fits perfectly.  99 percent sure that is the original engine for the car.

Since it's low miles and has original components, would you be willing to share the data from the car for the CRG database?  Tag info, VIN, casting dates, etc. ?

Shawn, did you check the partial VINs?

Decoding/Numbers / Re: Thoughts on this stamp?
« on: September 18, 2018, 03:33:35 PM »
Just recently purchased this car.   i knew it had a CE block but i know nothing else about them.  What was the general process of these.  I can see remnants of a 3 and 4 on the pad.  What is your thoughts?  Thanks

How do the rest of the engine component (heads, intake, carb, distributor, alternator) dates compare to the build date of the car?

Decoding/Numbers / Re: Inaccurate Partial VIN on Engine!?
« on: September 18, 2018, 03:30:20 PM »
Jason, what is the build month and week of this car from the trim tag?

Decoding/Numbers / Re: Caveat Emptor - 124379N580xxx X11 307 car to X77 Z/28
« on: September 18, 2018, 03:23:59 PM »
Looks like the last 2 digits of the body number on the X77 tag could be 70.

General Discussion / Re: Differential "Peening"
« on: August 23, 2018, 09:46:15 PM »
Well since it was brought up in my original Research thread - that I started over 5 years ago - do you think that just maybe I would have an interest? You didnít seem to find it interesting 5 years ago.

Continue to waste your time on something insignificant. I could care less. Good luck in your quest.

And for your information I have NEVER modified anything to deceive anyone.

General Discussion / Re: Differential "Peening"
« on: August 23, 2018, 03:59:59 PM »
Itís still deception Mr. Wylie, just like stamping an E over an L and adding another E. And it is nothing new.

Anything stamped AFTER it left the vehicle assembly stamp falls into the restamped category and is very much frowned upon by true followers of the hobby.

You never did answer as to why this peening is of importance.

General Discussion / Re: Differential "Peening"
« on: August 23, 2018, 02:38:07 PM »
The owner of that housing only found it in the past few years.  He has no way of knowing what happened to it the 45 plus years prior to that. It proves nothing - since there is no proof as to WHEN that was done. Without the guts, there is still some question on that housing. It has nothing to do with the seller's reputation, since he was the owner only recently. The housing needs to stand on its own. Maybe it is fine, I am not arguing one way or the other. But it is not a complete BE assembly.

Let's just jump ahead and say it was factory done. What does that add to the big picture? Will it invite additional restamping?  Will it add or subtract any value to peened housings or cars that have peened housings? Does it add anything at all? That was one of my points.

There used to be a guy that advertised in Hemmings long ago. You could rent not only the holder, but the letter to add an H to a block. Many of the late 50s and early 60s engine codes were a single letter.  Guys would take an F code 348/250 hp block, add an H to make it FH and then it BECAME a 348/350 hp block. Or take a 327/250 hp R code and make it into a 327/300 hp RB code.

This drives home point number 2 which is that restamping is not new. Guys were doing that in the late 70s and earlier.

Good luck with your quest.

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