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I have seen some NOS panels that fit horribly, as well, and it wasn't because the body had twisted with age.

Keep in mind that while the $80M press line was used while the cars were in production, once they go out of production that's frequently not the case.  Many of the "NOS" quarter panels out there are service replacements that could have been stamped many years after the vehicle went out of production.  Once out of production, service panels were typically stamped in a different facility and on different presses than they were when the car was in production (the production presses are too busy making parts for current models).  Most of the original dies would have been used, but because the presses are changing over dies frequently to make small runs of service panels, there will be much more variability in the parts coming out.  Plus I'm sure die maintenance suffered.  Check fixtures and gauges are normally much simpler for service parts, and there's no incoming QC inspector at an assembly plant for the stampers to worry about catching bad panels.  The parts were put in boxes and shipped to service warehouses.  The first people to see them were body shops... and if the fit wasn't great they just dealt with it.

But... if you can get "NOS", in most cases the fits will still be better than the repro stuff. 

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Originality / Re: Build Sheet in '67 Lordstown Car?
« on: August 07, 2007, 12:51:10 AM »
Lordstown didnt make Camaros. Van Nuys (Los Angeles) and Norwood plants did. I take it you may mean Van Nuys.

I know it varied from plant to plant. Buildsheets are not commonly found on first gen Camaros except for 69 Van Nuys built cars, which had the on top of the gas tank periodically.

Ah, You are correct.... it was built at Norwood (N in the VIN...).  I am not sure why I thought Lordstown (maybe because a '67 Firebird I once owned was built there I think... did they build Firebirds there?).

So Norwood Camaros don't typically have build sheets hiding in them then?

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Originality / Build Sheet in '67 Lordstown Car?
« on: August 06, 2007, 02:19:35 AM »
Hi all,
I'm wondering if the Lordstown plant typically left build sheets in cars?  And if so, where might my odds be best of finding it?

My car is a low mileage '67 convertible that I think has probably never been taken apart...

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General Discussion / Re: VT
« on: May 03, 2007, 09:18:02 PM »
Rich,
Just logged in for the first time in awhile, and wanted to thank you for the gesture and putting the link on the main page.  I noticed it immediately when the site opened up... and just really appreciated it.

I graduated from Tech in '87 (undergrad in IEOR).  I still think about this tragedy every day -- having been in those buildings (for me both AJ and Norris) so often during my time there really makes it personal.  Heartfelt wishes to the friends and families of the victims-

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General Discussion / Re: Hurst Shifter
« on: May 03, 2007, 03:32:18 PM »
the shape does not look like 70-71 Camaro stick.
It looks more like the Firebird stick
they have different stick numbers
Agree -- '70/'71 Camaro stick (and Firebirds WITHOUT consoles) had the bend further down the stick.  Shape does look like 2nd gen Firebird with console.

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General Discussion / Re: Were all 67 California cars built in Cal?
« on: September 23, 2006, 11:42:42 PM »
Can't speak for '67 Camaros, but I do own a '70 Firebird that was built in Norwood and sold new in CA (I bought it in CA, and it has the CA-only emissions stuff). 

It is a bit of an oddball, though, as in all my years of messing with these cars, it is the only one I (or any of my friends) have seen that was sold new in CA and NOT built at the Van Nuys plant.

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I imported a '68 Firebird 400 from CA a couple years ago.  Had its original black plates that were WDM ***.

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www.powersteering.com

These guys did a power steering box (rebuild and appearance restoration) for me a couple years ago and I was pleased with their work.

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Decoding/Numbers / Re: 15 x 6 YS Code Rally Wheel
« on: April 24, 2006, 02:12:26 AM »
Keith,

"YS" wheels were used on 69 Full Size with Disk Brakes and 70 Full Size (except wagons) with Disk Brakes. The wheel is 15x6 and has an offset of .06"

Ed


Thanks! 

Did the full size Chevys use the same bolt pattern as the Camaro and Chevelle then?  For some reason I thought they were different (but maybe I'm thinking of Pontiacs, and Chevys aren't the same).

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Decoding/Numbers / Re: 15 x 6 YS Code Rally Wheel
« on: April 23, 2006, 09:51:57 PM »
OK... here are some pics, if that helps.

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Decoding/Numbers / Re: 15 x 6 YS Code Rally Wheel
« on: April 23, 2006, 05:43:59 PM »
With that bolt pattern, it's probably for a Ford or AMC application.
Oh -- Then I probably measured it wrong.  It WILL fit on a Camaro -- has same pattern as Camaro/Chevelle.

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Decoding/Numbers / 15 x 6 YS Code Rally Wheel
« on: April 22, 2006, 08:04:38 PM »
I picked up a set of original 14 x 6 Rally Wheels for my '67 today, and got an extra 15 x 6 in the deal.  On the outer rim (would be inside the tire if a tire was on it) it says 15 x 6 JK.  The code by the valve stem appears to be YS, but the S is sort of faint compared to the Y.   The date code on the other side of the valve stem is K19 10.

Also, it's a 5x4-1/2 bolt pattern, and iit seems to have an odd backspacing of 3-1/2".

Does anyone know what this could be?

I found a reference to a YS wheel on the net, but can't find anything that says what application it was for.

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