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So, just to make sure I understand this correctly, if I see a Camaro with console gauges and it doesn't have a clock as well, does that mean that the gauges were added later and the Camaro did not come with gauges from the factory? 

I know that Pace cars did not necessarily have console gauges from the factory, but if they did, shouldn't they have the clock too?  And, as mentioned above, you could order a clock without the console gauges, but could you do the other way around and get the console gauges and not the clock.  I always believed that if you checked the box for optional console gauges, the clock was included in that.  I also believe that you could order the tach as well and not the console gauges, and that the fuel gauge would go in the center where the clock would go. 

Here are some 69 Camaro Indy Pace cars that have console gauges but no clock and I am wondering if the gauges are factory or not.



Just wondering.  I know it seems so basic of a question, and I think maybe I knew the answer at one time, but I just don't know.  What are the rules on console gauges and center clock and tach?

I was sure I had asked this question before, but damned if I could find it in the archives, or any notes I thought I would have taken from it. 

Anyway, my Quadrajet carb on my 69 SS350 is not original and I would someday like to remedy that if I can.  I currently have a 7029223 IY  2488 on the car and a 7040511 QT  0620 I bought at a swap meet many years ago. 

Anyway, I know the number I need, which is 7029202 with the second to last digit possibility of a 0, 1, or 2 for Chevrolet, and the last digit being an even number for automatic.  What I don't know is what would be a good date code?  The date code is a 4 digit number with the last digit being the year (ie:  _ _ _ 9), and the first three digits indicating the number of days into the year.

My body date code is 04C, with my original block date code being  the 2nd week of March.  How do I find out what would be a proper date code for the Quadrajet?  What determined this?  What range of numbers should I look for?  Is there a chart somewhere that I can print out or refer to?  What is the source of this info?


Just thought I would post this in case anyone is interested. 

I have heard of the 04L date code phenomenon, where it was theorized that the "E" on the dye may have broken and produced an "L" instead.  First, can anyone verify if this was the case or something else?  Finally, here is a pic of a trim tag showing the "04L" on the trim tag.  I never saw this before and thought it cool to finally see it.  So, here it is for other Camaro geeks like me who have never seen it before and want to.

General Discussion / Re: 1969 Camaro STOLEN in Texas! Yenko?
« on: December 08, 2017, 08:06:09 PM »
Crap like this terrifies me.  I get that stomach knot just seeing notices like this.  And how do you even stop it from happening?  This is one reason I HATE to take my car anywhere that I have to leave it out of my sight. I used to go to those weekend shows all over the state, such as Turkey Rod run, or Winternationals, where I would drive my car there and have to leave it in the parking lot.  Alarm...they cut that.  Have it on a trailer, well, that just seems to help them take it.  Pull the ignition coil wire or have a cut off on the starter, doesn't matter.  Did you guys see that one video where they took that guys 69 by simply getting in and having another car push the Camaro out of the covered parking garage and down the street.  All done in moments with nothing to really slow them down.  Hell, they can be gone with the car just as quick as if they had the key for it. 

The only thing I could think of would be a steering wheel and brake lock combination.  That along with an underfed pit bull with rabies sitting in the back seat. 

What is sad is that I used to drive my Indy pace car on the weekend all over town on the weekends.  But now, my gut wrenches the moment the car is out of site, and no matter what I am doing, there is this constant worry...will the car be there when I come back, is some asshole going to hit it while parked, is someone going to key it, and all that.  It kinda sucks.  I guess it is the price to pay. 

If anyone has an idea for keeping scumbags from taking our beloved family members....let me know. 

And for the record, I hope there is a special place in hell for people who steal classic cars.  I can imagine how sick I would be, having your car stolen, after spending years restoring it, put your heart and soul into it, and cannot be replaced at any price.  It has to be up with having a child kidnapped.  I could only hope that if my car was taken, that after I get it back, that I get to the scumbags before the cops do.  It would not be pretty.  And no one would blame me for what I would do to the scum that stole my Camaro. 

I hope he gets it back.  If you do, post what happened.  We could use a happy ending here.

69Z28-RS...send anything you like.  I am sure if you think it interesting, we all will.  Just make sure you have some great photos, and tell a good story.

You all heard Bryon...he wants you to try and blow up his email account.  In fact, he dares you.  I'm not supposed to say anything, as Bryon swore me not to tell, but he said you were all a bunch of wimps and none of you has the gahones to even try and blow up his email.  Hey, he said it....not me.  I stuck up for you guys.

Prove to him that Camaro owners are totally awesome, and send him so many Camaro pics, his hard drive will fry and he will be left with a BSOD.     

Hey guys,

Bryon and I are in need of your Camaro pics.  Now, usually when I ask (beg) for pics, I get maybe, if I am lucky, 3 or 4 submissions.  This is just plain unacceptable.  Yes, I understand that all of us first gen guys are busy and working tirelessly to fix up, restore, and just plain keeping our wonderful Camaros running.  Now, of one thing I am certain, if you own a first gen Camaro, you  have a pic of it...heck, you have bunches of pics of it....more than you do of photos of your wife, your mother and your first born child combined.  All Bryon and I are asking is for you to send us just ONE pic of your Camaro...just one...PLEEAASSSE.

Now, I have asked nicely, and I am sure that all of you are going to take the 2 minutes it will take to send a Camaro pic to the email below.  While you're at it, send two or three.  Pick your favorites, the one or two photos that really makes your Camaro look awesom. 

For those of you that are going to ignore this request, and still think I am not serious about this request, know this...Bryon and I have hired a Haitian Voodoo Priestess (At great expense I might add), and we have instructed her to conjur up Camaro demons, goblins and gremlins...Thousands of them if need be, and she has instructed them to go out into the world and find every single first gen Camaro, and possess them. 

Yes, I am being dead serious here...this is no joke.  All of you have until Midnight Sunday to send a pic or two of your beloved Camaro to us.  If you ignore this very simple request, these demons will be released and believe you me, they will go to town on your Camaro.  You think you are going for a nice peaceful and enjoyable cruise with your favorite girl this weekend...think again.  It will not happen because you didn't send us your Camaro photo.  You car will develop one of the following "hiccups" if you will...a mysterious water pump leak, an alternator that will stop charging your battery even though it's brand new and you just replaced the voltage regulator, your rear wheel cylinder will spring or horrific leak, your power steering will go out, or your engine will just plain die and you will not know why.  Is it the points?  The fuel pump? Bad coil? Clogged fuel filter?  Fouled plugs?  Oil leak?  You will have no idea what went wrong, and you know exactly what I am talking about.  We all have encountered these same demons before, but this will be worse, much worse.  Picture these imaginary demons on steroids times ten to the 12th power plus infiniti and one.  That is the damage I am warning you of.  That is how much more badder it will get.  And for those few that have completely ignored this warning, and are now laughing at this small request and saying to yourself, "Not gonna happen losers"...well, you may just find the next time you look in your garage, that your Camaro has been replaced with a Pontiac Aztec.  Not laughing now...are you.     

And you guys still working on restoring your Camaros and not planning any driving soon, you are not exempt.  I do not give a rat's patootie if your Camaro isn't done.  Still in primer, so what!  You have some rust...who doesn't!  Your wheels and tires are dirty (Really?!...dirty wheels?  Shame on you...clean them and then get your Camera, snap a pic or two, and send them in).  This site isn't about just show queens, it is about ALL Camaros, OUR Camaros, perfect or not, in progress, who's isn't?  I want a pic of your car.  And if you fail to heed this dire warning, Those voodoo gremlins will make sure you are in for it.  Spent countless hours prepping your Camaro for paint...well imagine some Gremlin putting a squirt of WD-40 in your air line (Fish-eye much?).  Imagine him moving your motor mounts over just 1/8th of and inch as you try to install that new crate engine.  Ever seen a Gremlin drop a nut down your know exactly what it is 2 seconds after you start it up?  They may even cause you to slip with that screwdriver while installing your new $500 door panels.  Or maybe he'll be nice and let you find that last push rod only seconds after tightening down the last valve cover bolt.  Oh the fun these evil little trolls will have, and all because you couldn't be bothered to help a fellow Camaro owner out you selfish so and so.     

Nice Camaro you got there.  It would be a damn shame if somethin bad wuz to happen to it...wink wink nudge nudge, know what I mean?  You know what I mean?  I'm talking to you.  Yeah you, the guy shaking his head with the know who you are. 

My god, we live in a day and age where everyone has a hi-tech camera in their pocket.  Would it really kill you to take just ONE pic and send it in? Do you hate us that much that you can't be bothered to send in a single photo?  Please, for humanity's sake. 

So, at the stroke of midnight Sunday, if Bryon and I do not have at least ten pics of each year (Yes you too you damn lazy 67 Camaro owners), we will instruct the high voodoo priestess to release the kraken....errrr... I mean release her Goblins, Gremlins and Demons, and instruct them to wreak havoc on your Camaro.  Havoc will be reeked...I assure you.  Heed my warnings.  I am warning you for your own good.  Bryon has told me I am being way too harsh, but I have told him it must be done.  My repeated request will not ignored any longer.  I do NOT want to do this, but drastic times call for drastic measures.  The high priestess has instructed us and stated that we would have to wear beaver pelt hats, houndstooth patterned PJ's, and pink (or yellow) bunny slippers (Don't judge) while singing a secret chant that has hot yet been written, in order to summon the leader of these demons, goblins and gremlins, whose name shall not me named, and he will send out his army of the unpleasant, and they will search out and seek vengeance on you selfish non-sibmittin Camaro picture people.  So be warned, I shall not beg again (unless you want me to).  Do it for yourselves, do it for your beloved Camaros, do it because it is the right thing to do, do it for your country...the red white and the's Uncle Sam who's asking, so your mother will approve, do it for it to shut me up so I don't have to beg and write nonsense like this again. 

Plus, I hear that every time someone emails a photo of a Camaro, a millennial gets sad and has not safe space nearby.  Also, if you act now, I will personally mail you a coupon for 20% off your next purchase at Bed, Bath and Beyond.  You will receive it within a week or two...I guarantee it. 

So please please please, send pics now. 

Send them to the photo guru, the grand poobah of pics, Bryon.  (Seriously, he is really good at this stuff).  And please, try to send in a good usable photo.  I cannot even begin to tell you how many times someone sends me a photo of what I assume is an awesome Camaro, but you wouldn't know it, because it's out of focus and blurry, cropped so that half the car is missing, shows the gas tank and rear bumper only, or is really a photo of grandma with a small miniscule Camaro a mile away in the background )  I'm not kidding, I get these more than you would think.  You all have seen a car magazine at one like that. 

And if you are really really nice, and want the gods to sing praises of you...have stories told about you and your Camaro, passed down from generation to generation, for thousands of years, until you have reached godlike status of yourself, with noble stories told of you and your noble chariot defeating the evil forces of the lords of Ford and Chrysler...send in a few pics and a story telling all about your Camaro.  Tell us stuff like how you bought it, what you did to it, what you plan to do to it, the good, the bad, the ugly.  And Bryon will make you and your Camaro, the FEATURED car of the month.  You will become famous, you will be known throughout the world, people will ask for your autograph, Mustang owners will convert, Brad Pitt will ask you for tips on how to pick up hot chicks, and you will be the envy of all.  Plus, it would totally cool of you to help us out and stuff.

So, send your pics and possibly your car story to Bryon at:

You will not be sorry, and soon, one day, you will see your Camaro pic on the CRG homepage website.  Now how cool is that?

Thanks guys,

Steve and Bryon.   

I cannot believe you amateurs.  Not one person here noticed the incorrect screws in the door sill plate.  You could clearly see the lack of an "X" on the head when Chuck opened the door.   Wow, how did you guys miss something so obvious?

Also, this movie was made in 1970, so this car was still relatively new.  But as someone pointed out, the emblems were removed and already patched over.  And I am hoping they used two Camaros for this movie, one for the exterior view showing a 69 and one for the interior view of a 67-68.  I doubt they had a 69 with a 68 interior....or did they.  Anyway, the continuity guy should be fired.  Sacrilege I tell you to mix these two iconic cars up.   And yes, I agree, there is no way in hell those hubcaps were not welded to the wheel.  And that final "stop", you know damn well the lower valance was crushed.   

And with dangerous driving like that, thank god this car had four wheel ABS brakes, three point seatbelt setup, rack and pinion steering, computer controlled coil over shocks, air bags, and all that.  You could never do that wtih a regular factory stock 69 Camaro and suspension.  Goes to show stunt car drivers have it easy today.  The guy who did the stunt driving for this movie today has three herniated discs, four missing teeth (2 from being jarred out, and two from hitting the steering wheel on the final stop), a crushed skull from flying up out of his seat and hitting the roof, and sprained wrists from having to grip and hold the hell on to the steering wheel while taking them turns. 

Charles Bronson is driving quite insanely in his 69 Camaro.  None of us today would even come close to driving our bone stock Camaro in this manner. 

Anyone notice anything out of place here.  First one to figure it out wins.

Here is an auction for seat backs in black.

I asked them if they had these in hugger orange, and they responded with the following:

Thank you for choosing CARiD on eBay.

Kindly provide me with the year, make, model, submodel of your vehicle to check on a different color option for you.

If you have any additional questions, please feel free to reach out to us as we are here for your satisfaction before and after your purchase.

Amalia Volls
Customer Experience Center

My response:  REALLY?  They need all of this info to know if they sell these in orange.  I can only guess these people are not in America, or have no clue what a car even is.  Is it me, or am I the only ones that despise certain people and/or companies when they ask you for all of this info?  The listed these, but have no clue if they have them in any other color?  SERIOUSLY? 

I find this even more frustrating when I need parts that are not vehicle specific.  Not long ago, I went to NAPA and asked for a set of plugs for a GM 502 engine.  The guy asked what the year, make and model it was for.   I explained it had nothing to do with the engine as if was a crate engine.  He then asked what year make and model the engine came from, to which I asked him if he understood what "crate engine" meant.  He had no clue.  He told me he had to have this info to find out if he had whatever it was in stock.  I told him that it would probably be an AC Delco rapidfire 4 plug, and he still could not tell me if he had them.  He stated that he needed his computer to tell him what was in stock and where to look for that item.  I told him couldn't he just go in the back and look at this spark plugs under AC Delco and look for #4 rapidfire?  His response was "NOPE".  OMG.  How do these people get jobs here.  Hey, I get that Advance Auto Parts and Autozone hire morons and very seldom do you have anyone that knows a damn thing about cars, but NAPA...I expected better.  This guy was helpless unless his computer could tell him what to think.  I left and have never been back.  I now find myself ordering 99.9% of my stuff online now...even stuff like oil, filters, and plugs.  It's no longer worth it.  The purpose of these places was supposed to be the human factor, someone to assist you.  Well that is gone.  You now MUST know what you want and tell them specifically, or you will not get what you need.

Now, to get back to where I was.  Why the heck does this company NOT know if they carry this item in another color?  I am betting for the same reason as what happened at NAPA.  They need a computer to tell them.  They need a computer to tell them when to go to the bathroom too I bet. 

Anyway, a decent deal for this price if you need them in black......provided they are decent reproductions.  It's say satisfaction guaranteed or your money back.  No cost to you if they suck and you have to return them.  If anyone gets a set from this seller, post and let us know if they are any good.

To follow up on the above.  GM didn't really make all the parts they used to build their cars...they bought them from suppliers.  One company who probably made the steering wheels and other dash goodies, one for the seatbelts, one for the seat backs, seat frames, trunk mats, and on and on and on.  What happened to those companies?  What happened to those molds and dies?  And did, say the seat backs, really cost all that much back then?  Today, a reproduction pair costs $99.  In 69, you could buy the entire car for about $2500.  So, 25 pairs of seat backs today equals one complete brand new 69 Camaro 50 years ago.  What was $99 worth then?  A base Camaro today is about ten times the cost of a base Camaro in 69.  Does that mean that seat backs cost $10 then?  I doubt GM paid $10 for just the plastic seat backs. Hell, I bet at most, they paid a buck or two for them...and that was sold at a profit to GM...not a large profit, but a profit still. 

So, how can we not duplicate this process again?  What was done then that is not done today?  If they are making molds to product these plastic pieces, then surely it cost the same money to make a mold that is spot on as it is to make a mold that is not even close.  Is it that hard to make a correctly formed mold?  Is it that much more expensive? 

I am not so sure it is the market, as all of us here are willing to pay more for a part that is correct.  Hell, rosewood steering wheels are selling for $1,500 because reproductions suck.  This amount of money for a part that cost GM $5 to make in 1969.  So, what gives.  If someone, no matter where, Taiwan, China, or USA are going to make parts for our cars, can they NOT go the extra yard to product a perfect part.  Is the wood grain that hard to match?  Is the shape of a panel that difficult to get the right measurements.  These manufacturers are not starting from scratch like GM did, they have the items already made to match up with.  The money is there...the quality is not.  Maybe the sales of reproduction parts are as low as they are is because of quality is terrible.  I bet whoever makes seat backs, would sell ten times more if they were correct...and that is at double the price they are selling them for now.  If you tool a part, make it right.  It takes the same amount of work to make the patterns, the molds, the dyes, the stamps, or whatever is used to mass produce, so, be exact.  In 69, they used slide rules to make the machines that made our cars.  Today, we have computers with lasers that can measure to the millionth of an inch, but we can't beat 50 year old tech. 

I have money, I have the desire to purchase, what I don't have is the correct item for sale.

The orange ones I got 15 years ago, were at least solid thru orange plastic.  Yeah, they still looked and fit like crap, but they were not white with orange paint.  I am still in awe over the fact that here we are 50 years later, with all of our technological advancements in manufacturing, plastics, computers, and so on, and we can not come even close to the the quality of 50 year old parts.  I just don't get. 

I was thinking of your idea of having two shifters chopped up to make one that will work for my situation.  They are aftermarket TKO shifters, so no big deal on chopping them up.  I lined them up and if I could get someone to weld the base of my shifter (the rectangle with two holes), onto the base of my spare shifter at the 5 o'clock position, it would work very nicely.  I have a small mig welder, but this being a shifter and my serious lack of ability to do real welding that I trust to this degree, I feel I will have to find a welder who can do this for me. 

I guess I can chop up my spare shifter, use the base and attach it to the shifter I want to use, zip tie it in place, and find a welder, that can make them one piece, it will work.  I need about an inch down, and an inch toward the passenger side, and I will be where I need it.

Thanks for the suggestion. 

Hey guys,

Well here I am again, looking for yet another recommendation in the wonderful world of reproduction parts.  I have a 69 Pace Car, and the hugger orange seat backs are looking bad.  Not just faded, as some spray dye could remedy that, but they are dry rotting.  The plastic is "burned" for lack of a better word, and the scratches I have are deep.  The plastic flakes when anything but a light touch strikes it. 

Anyway, I bought a pair about 15 years ago when I was restoring the car, and they were HORRIBLE.  The orange color was way off, and was almost a light orange as opposed the beautiful hugger orange we all love.  But the color was the least of my complaints.  The shape was not even close.  The curves were not right, and where the cover is supposed to turn in and meet the seat at the top, it looked bad.  Can't explain it fully, but anyone who has aftermarket panels from this time frame, knows they just plain sucked. 

Have the panels for sale today gotten better?  How do they compare to original?  Is the color right?  Is the contours and curves close?

If you have an opinion on the latest offerings, please let me know...good or bad.


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