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Decoding/Numbers / not quite...
« on: April 24, 2018, 12:06:15 PM »
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-Chevrolet-Camaro-SS/222941447168?hash=item33e8588400:g:ilEAAOSwfZta2yc7&vxp=mtr

124679N571000

From the ad:

Check out the VIN number 12467N571000 before you miss this opportunity. That's right...first off the line in calendar year 1969 (not model year).

Per Chevrolet records, the last car off the line at Norwood December, 1968 was N569987. Although cars were not built in VIN order, the first car final-assembled January, 1969 would have been N569988 or close.

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General Discussion / Re: Newbie Needs some help with a 69 Z 28
« on: April 21, 2018, 03:11:45 PM »
Probably unrelated, the 6-8 tach went into production late January. However it was phased-in, cars through March were built with either.

The 6500/8000 tach shows up October '69, phased-in again.

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General Discussion / Re: Newbie Needs some help with a 69 Z 28
« on: April 20, 2018, 04:26:07 PM »
1. Z/28 did not include or require a tachometer until early 1969. At that time it became a required option; either as part of Special Instrumentation which required a console or a new tach only option. The tach only option [U16] immediately had supply problems so for some time Special Instrumentation [U17] and a console [D55] had to be ordered.

William,

How early is early ? My 01C X77 has a console, no tach, no gauges, echoed on the dealer invoice - I always wanted to put the tach and gauges in it, but now leaning towards leaving it like it was and what it is. Shame, I let my factory 6-8 go a few years back, dated January '69 (stupid move, but I needed the cash out of it at the time).

Regards,
Steve

Generally, when Chevy made changes like this it applied to cars ordered afterwards. With an 01C tag date, your car was likely already in process when the tach requirement was established.

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General Discussion / Re: Newbie Needs some help with a 69 Z 28
« on: April 19, 2018, 12:33:58 PM »
There was an 05A no tach Z/28 around here years ago. Maybe overlooked the omission.

Based on our records, U16 shows up early April. Wonder if some early '69s could have had it.

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General Discussion / Re: Newbie Needs some help with a 69 Z 28
« on: April 19, 2018, 01:05:26 AM »
Post the VIN and tag data. Maybe someone knows the car.

1. Z/28 did not include or require a tachometer until early 1969. At that time it became a required option; either as part of Special Instrumentation which required a console or a new tach only option. The tach only option [U16] immediately had supply problems so for some time Special Instrumentation [U17] and a console [D55] had to be ordered.

2. That is the proper location but if the sticker is round it's for a '68. All '69 tire labels were rectangular.

3. The partial VIN stamp was always on the pad with the code until October '68. At that time it could be on the pad or on the lower left side of the block. As of early January '69, it was permanently on the side of the block. The date and DZ code remained on the pad.

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Originality / Re: 69 SB Fuel Line Routing
« on: April 18, 2018, 12:31:48 PM »
I do not know the application for that pump. It is not for a '69 Camaro.

The smaller diameter return line goes back to the sending unit in the fuel tank.

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General Discussion / Re: 69 Convertable inner front fenders
« on: April 18, 2018, 12:27:12 PM »
For the record, Randy pm'd me. We're cool.

Looking forward to hearing more about his car.


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Originality / Re: 69 SB Fuel Line Routing
« on: April 17, 2018, 12:34:42 PM »
'69 Camaros built with Quadrajet carbs used a large in-line AC fuel filter. It also served as a de facto fuel reservoir and required the smaller fuel return line to the fuel tank. You must also have correct sending unit for the tank.

This is covered in the AIM, section L48 page A3.

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Originality / Re: 69 Oil Pressure Line Firewall Hole Location
« on: April 16, 2018, 07:32:43 PM »
Yup that's yours.

Great to have an excellent survivor for reference!

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Originality / Re: 69 Oil Pressure Line Firewall Hole Location
« on: April 16, 2018, 04:27:01 PM »
Here's a pic of an original.

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General Discussion / Re: 69 Convertable inner front fenders
« on: April 16, 2018, 12:04:50 PM »
Sorry to disappoint you William, but I ordered this car new, and I have not removed the front shakers.
I have had this car since it came in to the dealer ( McQueen Chevrolet in Owensville, MO ) in summer of '69.
So please don't make statements you know nothing about!
Randy

Sorry I refuse to believe that car went through the manufacturing process and they were "overlooked".

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General Discussion / Re: 69 Convertable inner front fenders
« on: April 16, 2018, 02:05:53 AM »
I have a "69 convertible that I bought new, and it does not have front shakers. It does have rears.
Maybe it is because of the big block engine, whatever the reason it came from the factory that way.
Randy

All converts had the shakers. Yours are missing.

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Decoding/Numbers / Re: need 1969 Los Angeles Z28 expert...
« on: April 13, 2018, 07:50:40 PM »
I am looking for a respected Z28 Camaro authority to verify and authenticate a 1969 Z28 made in Van Nuys, Ca plant.

You're asking for the impossible. As a vintage race car, all originality has been destroyed. The presence of a BU axle isn't worth much as there is no VIN stamp on them. A 3.73 positraction axle was also available on Camaro SS along with a Muncie 4-speed trans and dual exhaust.

Without genuine, factory original paperwork there is no way of knowing the original build configuration of the car. 

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Decoding/Numbers / Caveat Emptor...another tag mismatch
« on: April 11, 2018, 11:43:31 PM »
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Camaro/282921203126?hash=item41df6af5b6:g:RNsAAOSwdVFaznjC&vxp=mtr

VIN is listed as 124379N509684, final-assembled on or about September 25, 1968. Body tag date is 05E, the fifth week of May '69.

One or both tags are not original to the car.

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Originality / Re: Floor pan color
« on: April 09, 2018, 02:21:31 PM »
I was involved with a couple of restos in the late '80s; we just painted them satin black. Lots of time and effort involved to correctly refinish a floor pan like that.

I saw Grady's COPO at MCACN. Awesome resto!

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