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General Discussion / Re: X mark on rear bulkhead

« on: March 31, 2007, 07:28:39 PM »

I wouldn't use an X making on the bulkhead as absolute proof of the car being anything.  I've seen atleast 2 on Ebay where people have added a code to the rear bulkhead.  Fortunately they were stupid enough to put it over the glue residue holding the rear trim upholstery onto the bulkhead.  My point is this marking and alot of other items can and are being faked.  Documentation is the only thing that is going to hold any meaning in the not to distant future, because of all the fakes out there.

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Decoding/Numbers / Re: cowl tag 12437 used for both coupe and convertible?

« on: March 30, 2007, 04:09:16 PM »

Its not a production error, the tag indicates the car has a bench seat, which was not available in a convertible.  so the tag has either been swapped, its a fake, or someone made a convertible out of a coupe (that would be really bad).  Can we assume the VIN starts with 12467 (or 12367) so we can rule out the coupe to convertible conversion?

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Restoration / Re: Engine compartment restoration

« on: March 29, 2007, 12:28:25 AM »

The chalk and crayon markings in the engine compartment were for the most part placed on the bare steel of the body before it was painted and they do not show on original cars.  The one exception is the PTB inspection stamps that were placed on the firewall of Norwood cars as the car was built indicating the body had been inspected for paint, trim and body irregularities.  These were placedon the body before the front end was installed and are usually under the fenders on either side of the car.  All the pretty restorations you see now with chalk markings and script on the firewall is utter BS and you can bet no car left the factory that way.  If you can't see it on your car now, don't add it.

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Decoding/Numbers / Re: crayon marks behind rear seat

« on: March 28, 2007, 09:15:51 PM »

Pace cars have X0 on them (I assume to indicate the need for Z28 style stripe override).  I have never looked at mine to see if its there or not, but next time the seat is out I will.  Don't know if anyone has ever looked on a Z10 (at least I don't recall a discussion on it) maybe they have an X0 as well.

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Decoding/Numbers / Re: Muncie vin #'s

« on: March 25, 2007, 01:03:12 PM »

Never seen a transmission stamped more than once (except for maybe an overstrike).

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Decoding/Numbers / Re: Z28

« on: March 25, 2007, 01:01:49 PM »

To early a build to be an L30 with the 4P code.  No 4S code, only 4F, L, K, N, P, and at the time this car was built only the 4F and P were in use.  2S is the rear antenna, I missed that one.

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Restoration / Re: Rear antenna hole

« on: March 25, 2007, 12:30:25 AM »

Had a math error, the AIM says 114.25" back from the 0 point not 110", so a position 15" forward from the rear edge of the quarter, or 4" back from the rear end of the trunk lid opening arc is correct.  Still seems like it moved from 68 to 69 (or my memory is bad) .  Anyone have a 68 with a rear mounted antenna that they can measure?

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Decoding/Numbers / Re: Z28

« on: March 25, 2007, 12:04:57 AM »

Its an SS.

1 = Chevrolet
2 = Camaro
4 = 8-cylinder engine
37 = coupe body
7 = 1967 model year
L = Los Angeles, CA assembly plant (Van Nuys)
 
Decode for body number: 004646
 
10B = Built the Second week of October.
67-12437 = Standard Interior Coupe.
LOS = Built in Van Nuys California.
760 = Standard Black Bucket Seats.
Z = (A50) Strato Bucket Seats.
R-R = Car Color is Bolero Red
J371 = internal plant scheduling code.
Options:
1W = (A02) Tinted W/S only
2L = (M20) 4-speed floor shifter
2G = (D55) Console front compartment
4P = (L48) SS 350
5Y = (A39) Belts All Deluxe  (guessing the the 54 is 5Y- since there is no Y code in the 5th option group)

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Decoding/Numbers / Re: Muncie vin #'s

« on: March 24, 2007, 07:01:41 PM »

It's stamped by the same machine that stamped your engine VIN.  Not only should the 1 be there, but the characters will always match the one on the engine pad.

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Restoration / Re: 69 argent grille paint

« on: March 24, 2007, 04:36:52 PM »

Original paint code was PPG DQE-8598 and it was an alkyd enamel paint.  Don't think it would have been a gloss, more likely a satin (80% gloss).

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Restoration / Re: Rear antenna hole

« on: March 24, 2007, 04:35:02 PM »

I just went out and measured my car (I don't have a read antenna) and found the the 110.25" measurment referenced in the AIM places places the antenna just at the end of the arc of the trunklid opening.  I measured 100 " back from my front antenna (The AIM says it is 10" behind the firewall- or the 0 reference point) and the point ended up just about at the rear edge of the arc (plus or minus 1/4") and the rear edge of the top of the quarter panel was 119" back (or 129" back from the 0 point).  Looks like the antenna is supposed to be located 19" forward of the rear edge of the quarter, assuming the AIM dimensions are correct.

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Restoration / Re: Rear antenna hole

« on: March 24, 2007, 03:53:30 PM »

Wow, that looks awfully far back on the fender.  I had one on a 68 eons ago and it seems (from memory) it was alot closer to the corner of the trunklid like right at the end of the trunk corner radius (about 3" forward of the one in these pictures).  Since I don't think I've ever seen a real one on a 69 are the 68s in a different location than the 69s?

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Restoration / Re: Rear antenna hole

« on: March 24, 2007, 02:10:01 AM »

Its in the assembly manual, under RPO U73 page A1.  Its a 1.12" diameter hole, 114.25" back from the firewall, and 28.94" from the centerline of the car.  There is a .14" wide, by .12" long notch extending from the hole at a 165 degree angle ( about the 5 oclock position) from straight ahead (or 75 degrees from perpendicular to the cars centerline)

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General Discussion / Re: Car Insurance

« on: March 22, 2007, 11:44:30 PM »

Is this an area of trouble:

You and we agree that the actual cash value of your car is the             
                          vehicle value shown on the declarations page unless:

1.   your car has been damaged;

If your car is in an accident has it been damaged?

This policy seems to have alot of ifs and ors, and mentions ACV, but them ties ACV to the value in the declarations page, and then tells you if the car is damaged that number is no longer any good.  I like the statement in may policy better. (posted earlier) that basically says you get in an accident we either pay you the total amount in the declarations page, or we pay up to the amount on the declarations page to fix your car.  End of story.  But if your lawyer likes it make sure you bring him with you to the insurance company if you ever have a claim.

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Originality / Re: Firestone or Goodyear F70-14 tires

« on: March 22, 2007, 10:50:14 PM »

Heres a picture from the track in May of 69.  Track cars were running Goodyears.



Or this newspaper clipping of a Festival Car showing Firestone tires: