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Decoding/Numbers / Re: 302 Block ?

« on: November 22, 2005, 12:55:23 PM »

Your right John Z,

I did not phrase that correct. I guess what I meant to ask is could this "motor" be a 302 with that casting #. It appears that I did not get all of the #'s so I will look a little harder. From what I read on the CRG website, the DZ would indicate a 302. FYI I believe that the 302 is a 327 block with a 283 crank according to CRG.

Thanks for the reply.

im new to all this as well but from what ive found the 302-327-350 were all the same block no matter how you slice it.  3970010 on the back drivers side of the block could designate any one of those motors.  The best way i found to see this was to take a drop light and lay it back by the distributor and then put your head around the brake booster.  It gave me the clearest view of the casting without removing anything.
good luck
matt

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Decoding/Numbers / Re: 68 camaro 350 SS authenticity

« on: November 22, 2005, 12:50:05 PM »

i thought the axle wasnt a good way to ID a car.  The date on the axle tends to confirm it was built at the right time to be orig. but i couldnt find the axle stamp anywhere.  I looked on the front and back of the axle tubes on both sides.  You guys have a definate location for a 10 bolt axle code.  The info I found on IDing an axle seemed to be for a 12bolt and the 10 bolt stuff was opposite it for everything i found.  Also I was cross referencing the vin and some production numbers the crg has and noticed that mine didnt fall in line which is why i asked the production date question. 

Norwood end of month vin report numbers
           LOS            LOS            NOR
         Passenger      Camaro         Camaro
Month    End     Month     End    Month   End     Month
             VIN     Total      VIN     Total      VIN     Total
------    -------------          -------------              -------------

May-68 159256   7045  342085   3521  465482  39952
Jun-68 165727   6471  345432   3347  482588  17106 
Jul-68 170718   4991  349164   3732  484735   2147


my vin ends in 470312.  It was that discrepency that made me wonder how strict those production dates were. 
thanks
matt

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Decoding/Numbers / Re: 68 camaro 350 SS authenticity

« on: November 21, 2005, 11:42:23 PM »

thanks for your reply ccargo and i appreciate the kind words.  I will do what i can to get pictures of the car.  Since I do have the title from when the car had 11k on it I might have some luck tracking down those owners and asking some questions.  The car is pretty solid.  the underbody is excelent as well as the interior.  the car did have a banged up right front 1/4 but i have a replacement that my brother got a few years back.  Are there any places on the car I can look for orig. documentation?  I still have the rear seat padding and the trunk area once i get it open( i dont have a key).  The car runs pretty good, fires up right away and appears solid.  One more question that i forgot to ask in the orig. post.  I know the build dates for the models years run from aug-jul for 67 and 68 model years.  How strict are they with that.  Meaning is it possible this car was built third week of july in 67?  Also do you know what the lines running from the shocks into the trunk area are? And any good ideas on getting into the trunk without ruining anything?  I guess I was holding on to the hopes of a real SS but it just seems odd to me to have such a low miles car with odd ball parts on it.  Everything about the car screamed low miles, unfortunately a crappy paint job has created some problems around the rear window and doors.

Thanks so much for the quick reply.  I will try to get some pictures posted tomorrow.  I will have to pull the alternator off to get a good pic.
thanks
matt

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Decoding/Numbers / 68 camaro 350 SS authenticity

« on: November 21, 2005, 10:09:09 PM »

Hey guys, this is my first post, and my first camaro.  It belonged to my brother for the past 5 years who planned to restore it.  He just passed away from cancer and I have the car now with the same plans in mind in his honor.  The car is painted up like an SS and im trying to find out how original it all is but im having some trouble.  Apparently its very hard to identify a 68ss.  The car has 40k on it right now.  I have the title and 96 it had 11k actual miles on it.  Since my brother has had it for 5 years and it wasnt titled since 96 I dont see any way it could have 140k on it.  I know the orig color was not the orange it is today.  It was Island Teal. 
Here is the firewall tag info:

       07C
ST   68-12437 NOR172135  Body
TR     712                  F2    Paint

So ive got the build date as the 3rd week of july, assembled in Norwood, black standard buckets, black vinyl top(which is has) V8 car and Island Teal paint, which i can see on the tranny and apparently in the trunk(dont know yet), i havent gotten in the trunk yet.  Ive pulled numbers off of everything I can find and what I have been finding is discouraging because it really isnt leading me anywhere.  Ill start with the motor and work back and hopefully you guys can give me some insight.
The block casting number is 3970010.  From the info I have found that tells me its either a 302, 327 or a 350.  The numbers I pulled off the block pad behind the alt are what worry me.  I have 161121168  K10  06  CMJ.  The CMJ from what I could find is a Police motor?  That worried me.  Especially since the partial vin didnt match the cars vin, 124378N470312.  The motor has long tube headers, and a qjet with an edelbrock manifold.  The air cleaner says 295hp 350 on it(not that its hard to get).  The Numbers I pulled off the heads were even worse.  333882!!!! smog heads.  And earliest production date was 1970.  So obviously someone has done some monkeying around with the motor.  The tranny in the car best I can tell is a 3 speed thm350.  I pulled the number off the pan, B6C02D which told me the model year was 66?  The number on the drivers side of the tranny was 8640300 but the 3 was backwards.  The numbers say its a turbo 350 but they werent used until 69 right?  The car does have power disc up front which doesnt tell me one thing or the other for sure.  The interior didnt have to be anything special on an SS and this one isnt.  No ac, no tach, it does have a clock on the center console.  Moving back, the car has a 10bolt rear.  I pulled the standard test marks off of it, casting date was F278, june 27, 1968 so atleast it appears to be the orig rear end.  I couldnt find the Axle Stamp but i got the casting number 3894859NF telling me the obvious that its a 10bolt.  The shocks have a small line coming from each one that looks like it goes into the trunk.  Not sure what that is because i havent gotten in the trunk yet but I havent found any info on it.  The car has rallys on it, the rear looking like they came from a vette cause they have 275s on them, too wide for the car. 

hopefully you guys will have some insight for me and point me in a right direction if you made it through all that.
thanks in advance for the help
matt

edit, i forgot to mention i pulled both front seats out looking for a build sheet with no luck.  I read somewhere there might have been one in the rear seat padding, the backrest of the front seats or the bucket of the drivers seat.  once i get in the trunk i can pull the rear seat out and take a look.