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Title: luggage rack
Post by: 67conv6cyl on August 31, 2012, 09:42:51 PM
Does anybody have any idea  how much a 67 luggage rack is worth in good condition with hardware? Are they rare?
Title: Re: luggage rack
Post by: JohnZ on September 01, 2012, 02:57:38 PM
Does anybody have any idea  how much a 67 luggage rack is worth in good condition with hardware? Are they rare?

Don't know what they're worth, but it wasn't a factory option - it was an over-the-counter dealer-installed GM accessory item.
Title: Re: luggage rack
Post by: ggtsvnv on September 01, 2012, 03:40:38 PM
There was a time (early 70's) when I used to see a lot of them even seen them on early second gens. but I haven't seen one in years. Have no idea on the value.
Title: Re: luggage rack
Post by: 67conv6cyl on September 01, 2012, 04:27:42 PM
Are they made by GM or another company, I know they were sold at GM parts counter.
Title: Re: luggage rack
Post by: lakeholme on September 01, 2012, 08:45:50 PM
So, I checked with my antique dealer -- car buff friend, and:

In excellent condition with hardware, between $75 to $100. Good (?) with hardware around $50...

Rare --only in the sense that they were not factory original.  So, there wouldn't be that many around.  But they wouldn't be all that desireable....
Title: Re: luggage rack
Post by: 69Z28-RS on September 02, 2012, 08:53:40 PM
They are great at reducing the value of an otherwise nice car.......
Title: Re: luggage rack
Post by: 67conv6cyl on September 03, 2012, 01:32:56 PM
I like them on convertibles not on hard tops, they don't seem to reduce value on corvettes. The camaro convertibles that I have seen with them seem to sell for higher prices. I saw one on a show car with a ski rack looked great! Much better than a spoiler on a 67 my opinion is spoilers should be for  69.  when I see a spoiler on a 67 it reminds me of the "caution fan" sticker.
Title: Re: luggage rack
Post by: IZRSSS on September 04, 2012, 02:18:19 AM
Not sure why anyone would think this thing looks better than a spoiler: Vert/Coupe ???
It looks like something trying to dump a load but it can't quite make it to verticle. No wonder their rare :-\

Sorry 67conv6cyl...
Title: Re: luggage rack
Post by: 67conv6cyl on September 04, 2012, 10:07:14 AM
Your right I don't like it on this car!  I like the spoilers on 69's  only, my opinion is they work on that body  (67 & 68 I feel look to tall in the back) but that's just me. 
Maybe I have just seen to many 67 & 68 with spoilers and cowl hoods on them.  The 67 that I saw at a show with The rack and skis on it took best of show, the car also had rims painted body color with the dog dish hub caps on it.  This car was a Capri Cream convertible. If any member has a picture of this car please post it, I saw it at a car show in NY a few years ago.
Title: Re: luggage rack
Post by: lakeholme on September 04, 2012, 12:47:30 PM
If Chevy had designed the First Gen Camaros as a two seater with a flat rear deck, I would agree with you.

As to value, it all depends on the buyer, once you go beyond the originality issue.
Title: Re: luggage rack
Post by: IZRSSS on September 04, 2012, 01:44:53 PM
I agree with Phillip. The other application would be vehicles with trunks the size of a glove box. Then there's the ultimate flat deck luggage rack carrier, and my dream car...the passive solar-mobile. ;D
Title: Re: luggage rack
Post by: Petes L48 on September 04, 2012, 10:25:05 PM
Every once in awhile a NOS one will pop up on eBay, they'll go for $1100-$1400, depending if any hardware or end caps are missing, and assuming it was a legitimate buyer and not a buddy running up the price.
Title: Re: luggage rack
Post by: 67conv6cyl on September 04, 2012, 10:58:05 PM
After seeing the VW bus with rack and dog dish hub caps I may have changed my mind. Thanks for waken me up. Just so you know I would never drill holes in a original deck lid but I would keep original safe and drill a reproduction one.  Allthough I would still like someone to post a good picture of convertible with rack.
Title: Re: luggage rack
Post by: lakeholme on September 05, 2012, 01:18:05 AM
Okay, here's a 68, that was posted orginally on TC.  I'll admit it looks better on a vert....  Apparently, so does that German Shepherd...  ???
(BTW, that doesn't look like the right rack for a 68....)
Marty, those VW Samba buses are actually highly collectable nowadays.  :o
Title: Re: luggage rack
Post by: IZRSSS on September 05, 2012, 01:54:00 AM
Phillip - I was serious when I said I'd like to have one (thinkin ahead to the grandkids). I think there about as nostalgic/vintage as vintage comes. Pretty cool looking grandparent ride don't ya think?  ;)

BTW, that smaller rack on the vert does look better. Almost seems like a guy could squeeze in a spoiler if he wanted. Still not my cup of tea.
Title: Re: luggage rack
Post by: 67conv6cyl on September 05, 2012, 11:00:10 AM
The rack on that 67 does not look like the one that I have seen.
Title: Re: luggage rack
Post by: joesauer on September 05, 2012, 04:34:15 PM
So.....if the luggage rack was an optional dealer installed option, was any provision made by GM to stop the trunk lid from slamming down on you (due to the increased weight)?
Title: Re: luggage rack
Post by: JohnZ on September 05, 2012, 05:35:35 PM
So.....if the luggage rack was an optional dealer installed option, was any provision made by GM to stop the trunk lid from slamming down on you (due to the increased weight)?

The installation instructions might have advised re-setting the torsion rods in the last notch to counteract the added weight, but I've never seen the instructions.
Title: Re: luggage rack
Post by: Petes L48 on September 05, 2012, 09:30:26 PM
Maybe a short 2x4 or broom handle was included with the rack, for when you actually had it loaded down and wanted to get into the trunk.  ;D I think there was a red card that came with the kit, probably a warning or caution card.     
Title: Re: luggage rack
Post by: lakeholme on September 05, 2012, 09:43:31 PM
As I recall the red card basically said check your state and local regulations about having a rack.  This was more in terms of how much of a load you could have and how the dimensions of the rack/load could extend to or beyond the fenders.
Never had one on a Camaro, but I can tell you the racks were a royal pain on little English sports cars back in the day, even with a small suitcase...  :(  :-[  :-\
Title: Re: luggage rack
Post by: KurtS on September 09, 2012, 05:38:05 PM
Here's a rack mounted on a 69 Firebird that's on ebay. A different design from the others.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200817195563
Title: Re: luggage rack
Post by: lakeholme on September 09, 2012, 06:54:08 PM
The 67, 68, and 69 Camaro Acessories Brochures all show verticle bars, not horizonal, like the picture Marty posted above.  Not sure how much that proves about the original accessory.  There are actually several sites selling the horizonal bar racks like the one Kurt posted.  67conv6cyl, which one is yours and do you know if it is original?
Title: Re: luggage rack
Post by: lakeholme on September 09, 2012, 07:00:53 PM
Here's the page from the 68 brochure...
Title: Re: luggage rack
Post by: joesauer on September 10, 2012, 01:29:03 AM
Were there two different design trunk lid torsion bars, one thicker than the other (to accomodate a heavier load)?  I always thought there was only one, and you used the different notches to offset the heavier weight caused by the optional spoiler.
Title: Re: luggage rack
Post by: tom on September 10, 2012, 09:57:47 AM
If you ordered the spoiler package on a 69 one torsion bar was a thicker diameter than the other.  I believe the same was true for a 68.
Title: Re: luggage rack
Post by: 67conv6cyl on September 10, 2012, 10:44:27 AM
The rack that is on the 68 sales brochure is the one that I wanted to install,  I believe that's the same one used in 67.
Title: Re: luggage rack
Post by: hgger69 on September 10, 2012, 11:24:04 AM
I think it´s a very cool option with luggage racks! Everything that´s unusual are cool things....
Hereé another pics of that "original" rack:
(http://i803.photobucket.com/albums/yy313/camaroshop/1968%20Camaro%20Convertible/1968Camaro033.jpg)
Title: Re: luggage rack
Post by: 67conv6cyl on September 10, 2012, 09:59:38 PM
Nice rack, is it real or fake (reproduction)?
Title: Re: luggage rack
Post by: 69Z28-RS on September 11, 2012, 04:52:21 PM
Now I've heard everything.. .    'guys telling other guys that they have a nice rack'".... 

:)
Title: Re: luggage rack
Post by: hgger69 on September 12, 2012, 07:46:27 AM
Now I've heard everything.. .    'guys telling other guys that they have a nice rack'".... 

:)

:D
Title: Re: luggage rack
Post by: hgger69 on September 12, 2012, 08:11:38 AM
Nice rack, is it real or fake (reproduction)?
It doesn´t look exactly the same as in a 69 sales brochure to me. It looks like this rack is more flat to the trunk lid than others I´ve seen:
(http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h193/hugger69/chev69cam_09.jpg)
Title: Re: luggage rack
Post by: lakeholme on September 12, 2012, 05:59:40 PM
You can see the rosewood inserts on the 69 rack.  It is different from the 68.
Title: Re: luggage rack
Post by: 67conv6cyl on September 12, 2012, 10:29:09 PM
Ebay item 140622436628  nos  for $1499,  it looks like a 69 camaro rack is much different than 67 & 68
Title: Re: luggage rack
Post by: 1968RSZ28 on September 12, 2012, 10:35:07 PM
Ebay item 140622436628  nos  for $1499,  it looks like a 69 camaro rack is much different than 67 & 68

Here's the link...  http://www.ebay.com/itm/140622436628?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fsch%2Fi.html%3F_sacat%3D0%26_nkw%3D140622436628%26_rdc%3D1

Paul
Title: Re: luggage rack
Post by: rsr on September 12, 2012, 11:58:47 PM
If you must have one.........please consider using a repo deck lid!!
Title: Re: luggage rack
Post by: 67conv6cyl on September 13, 2012, 01:17:24 AM
I promiss I would never dill holes in my deck lid it is a 100% original rust free 67, however I will buy a reproduction, this way I can change back if I don't like it.
Title: Re: luggage rack
Post by: lakeholme on September 13, 2012, 01:13:02 PM
Somebody is going to have to explain to me why anyone would pay over $1000 for any dealer-installed, non factory original item like a luggage rack?!?  ??? :o :'(
Title: Re: luggage rack
Post by: 67conv6cyl on September 13, 2012, 05:28:12 PM
Z28 cross rams are dealer installed, $1000 would be a good price.
Title: Re: luggage rack
Post by: IZRSSS on September 13, 2012, 08:50:56 PM
This is true, but have you followed discussions about dealer installed cross rams on this site? KIM, this topic will draw 100X the negative response the rack has. Simply because people try to make a couple extra bucks by passing it off as a factory installed option that boosts horse power, and people eat it up. Nothing could be farther from the truth. And, unless you are fortunate enough to have a build sheet, anything dealer installed is hard to prove (I guess it would be hard to disprove as well).

Personally, if any First Gen could ware the rack it would be a 6. Bottom line, it’s your car so what difference does it make what anyone thinks? Just go for it…and if you're unsure what judges will think, just keep a standby lid handy. ;)
Title: Re: luggage rack
Post by: 67conv6cyl on September 13, 2012, 11:02:43 PM
The only sad part is the 6cyl is a car that I plan on bringing to nationals. The 6cyl car is numbers matching everything I mean everything all date codes are original to the car except battery and tires. I would not put it on that car. I have a 327 car that does not have any original drive train, my plan is to put it on that car along with AC & power window and drive it! Rack is great for going to the beach. I know you would think I would put it on the six banger.
Title: Re: luggage rack
Post by: IZRSSS on September 13, 2012, 11:18:25 PM
I think I mentioned this before and so have others; 6cyl Gens are becoming rarer by the minute. Too many owners are ripping them apart and converting them into clones. You are to be commended for preserving yours! BTW…I would certainly like to see pics of it; please post.

As for the 327 that isn’t numbers…why not? Sounds like a good candidate.
Title: Re: luggage rack
Post by: lakeholme on September 15, 2012, 01:37:43 AM
Diagram for mid sixties Chevrolet rear deck lid carrier...
(Looks pretty close to the 67-68 rack...)
Title: Re: luggage rack
Post by: lakeholme on September 15, 2012, 01:54:25 AM
Had to resize this one....
Title: Re: luggage rack
Post by: lakeholme on September 15, 2012, 02:03:25 AM
Z28 cross rams are dealer installed, $1000 would be a good price.

Sure, but if you were paying $1499 for the rack, that would increase the price of a cross ram by around five fold to make a fair price comparison.
I'm still siding with Marty on this one...
But like Marty, I'd like to see pics of the six banger.  There was one at Spring Autofair last year with a factory correct six cylinder.  It drew a lot of attention.  Like Marty said they are getting rare in that snese.
Title: Re: luggage rack
Post by: 67conv6cyl on September 15, 2012, 01:49:19 PM
I have some pictures that I would like to post, don't no why I can't attach them, maybe I could email them to someone and they could post for me.

Paul
Title: Re: luggage rack
Post by: IZRSSS on September 15, 2012, 04:04:31 PM
I'd be happy to post them for you. Send them to; vsotero78@yahoo.com
Title: Re: luggage rack
Post by: IZRSSS on September 15, 2012, 06:08:54 PM
Here you go Paul;
Title: Re: luggage rack
Post by: IZRSSS on September 15, 2012, 06:11:03 PM
& two more;
Title: Re: luggage rack
Post by: lakeholme on September 15, 2012, 07:39:12 PM
Thanks, Paul and Marty!
Could you post one of the entire engine well?
One of the things I like about six bangers is you can see things like the fuel pump clearly....
Title: Re: luggage rack
Post by: IZRSSS on September 15, 2012, 08:56:29 PM
My pleasure Phil.

4 more;
Title: Re: luggage rack
Post by: IZRSSS on September 15, 2012, 08:57:10 PM
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Title: Re: luggage rack
Post by: 67conv6cyl on September 15, 2012, 09:20:57 PM
Thanks Marty, Like I was saying this car had all the original parts when I bought it over 20 years ago, even the plug wires are from the factory, so I am trying to bring it (drive it) to nationals. I also have original top boot for the power top. Not sure if there is a six banger class, but I know most people tossed out the six.