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Camaro Research Group Discussion => Originality => Topic started by: BULLITT65 on August 28, 2012, 01:48:19 PM
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I have possibly located a pair of nos original spiral shocks. My question is do these look like they are original? is there easy way to distinguish between the repops and originals? I have other close up pics if someone needs to see a particular stamp to be able to identify these as original. thanks for the help
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It's pretty hard to tell from that picture alone. I think you need to post pictures of the entire stamping.
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These shocks are going for big dollars so I understand your concern about re-stamps. The reproduction ones that are for sale do not have date stamps like the pic of the one you posted.
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I wasn't sure how many guys were stamping the repops to make them look like originals
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There are people out there stamping repros. I am not saying that is a bad thing, but you shouldn't pay NOS prices for them.
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I was able to pick up a real nice pair of original front shocks but they are dated " 024 69" . The set dated " 120 69" were to much. So I know they made these in batches, and I wasn't sure if these would be way to early for my 08C (august of 69) Z/28, or if the batches were so large and sporadic that these would still be ok.
Anyone out there still have their originals?
I know engines and engine parts were a lot closer to the build date, but I could use some help with this.
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Not Camaro, but my 69 Corvair still had the original spiral shocks on it when I bought it. The car was built 12A (1968) and all 4 of the shocks were dated 6B68. A different format than the Camaro, but you can see the lag time (2nd week of June shocks on a 1st week of December car).
However, keep in mind that there were only 6000 Corvairs built in 1969, and I found dates all over the map for different things (carpet was November, 1968, gauge cluster was August, 1968, jack was September, 1968, etc...), so take this example with a grain of salt. The Corvair was at the end of its life cycle and cars were built approx 3 per hour off the line at Willow Run, so they were scrambling just to find enough parts to finish these cars!
Ed
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I appreciate your example. I know of a couple of batch dates for the shocks, it doesn't seem like they made them once every month like the distributors or wheels. Unless another member has seen dates from each month, I haven't yet.
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Thanks for posting those pics showing 2 different batches from 68, do you know what the build date was of the car(s) they came off of?
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03D
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great info cook. My 024 69 sounds like they would be fine. I hope more members with any model 69 camaro with original shocks will chime in here.
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Well I was surfing the net last night and found a supposed set of spiral shocks # 3192851 but upon asking for the date that is on them he told me 33 of 67 . I was a little bummed out because I thought I found a good set, (obviously way to early for me to investigate further). He said someone told him they were for a 68 camaro. These seem like they would be even to early for a 68 I would think ? I rolled this question into my thread because the time frame would be similar. Is the beginning of 67 when they switched from part 3192420 to the part 3192851?
*these could just be reproduction shocks that somebody stamped ...
here is the ad if someone wants to see it, you can't see the stamp, but thought i would post for you guys. It seems reasonable if they are original.
http://columbus.craigslist.org/ptd/4001656506.html
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$400 is enough to buy a full set of NEW GOOD shocks.... :)
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He says he takes most offers. They don't look pitted, so probably work fine, and if they are original they were made in the USA. If somebody paid $300 and they were correct for the car, I would say they did alright.
Of corse you can be a repro set that were made in China for less.
BUT lets focus here. I am more concerned about the dates and car they would have been installed in.
Kurt what was date on your original shocks that you removed from your (02D) car?
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........ Is the beginning of 67 when they switched from part 3192420 to the part 3192851?
I have a set of unused NOS for a 68 'TM' shock but the P/N is 3192831 (mono usage). A picture can be seen here for one: http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=9148.0
See my reply #2.
Mike
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Sorry I thought it was Kurt. JohnZ what was the date of your spiral shocks on your 02D Z/28?
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JohnZ what was the date of your spiral shocks on your 02D Z/28?
I don't have the dates handy, but they were late January/early February.
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Based on a few BBCs be aware that automatics likely used different rear shocks-TN 3192832-for '69 at least and they are spec'd manual/automatic in old P & A manuals. I do not know if 832 and 851 were ever available as service parts; they are not on the Dec '71 listing I have.
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But what is the grace time between when they were made, and when they were installed in a 69 camaro?
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But what is the grace time between when they were made, and when they were installed in a 69 camaro?
2-4 weeks is "typical", could be much longer. In NCRS Corvette judging, we allow up to six months for dated components.
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I have the original spiral shocks on my 69 Z, but as expected they are not road worthy. Can these shocks be rebuilt and restored? If so, Who can do the service?
By the way, Bullitt65, I noticed you were looking for a set. Coast 2 Coast camaro has a set of four, but very expensive. It might be worth a call.
Thanks,
Bryan
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I have the original spiral shocks on my 69 Z, but as expected they are not road worthy. Can these shocks be rebuilt and restored? If so, Who can do the service?
Dan Patch in Kansas rebuilds Delco shocks for the NCRS Corvette guys.
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Thanks JohnZ, I will try to contact Dan.
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Bryan have you gotten quoted any prices?
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I have not had the chance to call Dan yet, hope to the first of next week. I will let you know. I'm nearly scared to find out!
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Let me guess... $150 - $199 ea...
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Bryan what are the dates on shocks front and rear? and what is the build date of your car(s). I assume you just have one set, but maybe both your cars have them.
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I've seen several dates. But the sample size (and pool of available ones) will be small cause most were replaced.
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Ok another question same topic: ANother member and I have been trying to figure out which is correct for his 69 Big block copo, he has seen some guys with original 3192851, he has seen other copo with 3192632. He looked further into it and one guy with a copo told him the automatic cars came with the 632 the 4 speeds came with the 851. Jerrys book says the 851 but then the sticker designation would be different? "TN" was to be used, why would they do that for the same part #?