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Camaro Research Group Discussion => Restoration => Topic started by: BillOhio on August 27, 2012, 06:34:00 PM

Title: springs on 69z
Post by: BillOhio on August 27, 2012, 06:34:00 PM
Just had my front springs replaced and the moog ones from HBC were 2 coils higher. Car doesn't sit where it should. No one is selling the specific ones anymore so these were genetic  for small block, no air. anyone have better luck? Also appears the back springs are sagging. anyone  tried to rearch them?
Title: Re: springs on 69z
Post by: BillOhio on August 27, 2012, 09:15:24 PM
Was looking at a chart in the classic industries book and they show the 6 cylinder coupe using the same coil  spring as a z. Might drop mine down a bit
Title: Re: springs on 69z
Post by: bertfam on August 27, 2012, 09:36:02 PM
Before you order any other springs, read THIS (http://www.camaros.org/images/pages/chassis/69_spring_chart.pdf).

Ed
Title: Re: springs on 69z
Post by: vtfb68 on August 27, 2012, 09:47:11 PM
Bill,
New springs will settle. The last pair I replaced took a few weeks to stop. Ended up where I thought the should be.
   VT
Title: Re: springs on 69z
Post by: tmodel66 on August 28, 2012, 12:53:59 AM
This is the first time I have saw that Ed. It gives spring choice a whole new meaning.
Title: Re: springs on 69z
Post by: BillOhio on August 28, 2012, 01:48:14 AM
My car had a yf tag on the spring we took off. What is really annoying, one side is 3/4 inch higher than the other!
Title: Re: springs on 69z
Post by: vtfb68 on August 28, 2012, 01:57:52 AM
Bill,
 Also make sure thr spring is "seated" in the bottom A-arm, The end of the spring should rest in the A-arm notch. Jacl it up from the frame and you should be able to rotate the spring if needed.
   VT
Title: Re: springs on 69z
Post by: tmodel66 on August 28, 2012, 02:09:26 AM
^^^^^^ What he said. Personal experience with this. Had the same problem til we rotated the spring. ^^^^^^^^
Title: Re: springs on 69z
Post by: Stingr69 on August 28, 2012, 02:46:29 PM
There is a tiny hole in the upper spring pocket. That is where the end of the tail of the spring will be visible through the hole if you have the spring clocked right.  You are not supposed to rotate it all the way down into the bottom of the lower A-Arm tail pocket.

-Mark.
Title: Re: springs on 69z
Post by: JohnZ on August 28, 2012, 06:43:09 PM
Bill,
 Also make sure thr spring is "seated" in the bottom A-arm, The end of the spring should rest in the A-arm notch. Jacl it up from the frame and you should be able to rotate the spring if needed.
   VT

You don't want to do that. The front springs are to be seated at the TOP, as shown in the Assembly Manual; the hole in the recess in the lower control arm is for water drainage, not spring seating.
Title: Re: springs on 69z
Post by: vtfb68 on August 28, 2012, 07:18:32 PM
John,
 your post seems to say it does not matter how the bottom is placed into the A-arm, am I understanding you correct?
    VT
Title: Re: springs on 69z
Post by: JohnZ on August 29, 2012, 04:40:47 PM
John,
 your post seems to say it does not matter how the bottom is placed into the A-arm, am I understanding you correct?
    VT

That's correct - the end of the top spring coil is to be seated in the subframe pocket; doesn't matter where the end of the bottom coil is.
Title: Re: springs on 69z
Post by: Stingr69 on August 29, 2012, 07:33:33 PM
Here is a picture looking down at the top of the frame pocket where the the spring will install. The dust shield is pulled away and the shock absorber is visible. The small 1/8" hole in the spring pocket is where the tail of the spring will be visible if the spring is clocked right. It is about a half inch away from the end of the formed pocket.  The spec is shown in UPC 3 of the AIM but it is a bit confusing.

(http://i48.tinypic.com/2nq9z7.jpg)

-Mark.
Title: Re: springs on 69z
Post by: vtfb68 on August 29, 2012, 10:54:39 PM
John,
 Thank you for your response, I respectfully disagree.


 Bill,
 Did you have a chance to re-work your front end? what were the results?

  VT
Title: Re: springs on 69z
Post by: BillOhio on August 31, 2012, 10:36:49 PM
I did some measuring and the springs hbc sells for a small block are not z springs! My car is almost 3 inches higher than it should be. I kid you not it looks like the engine is out. From what i have found, i need the moog part 6803. Of course i have a show in my home town town at our fair and i hope we get rain so i can leave it home. Really disgusted with hbc after they talked me out of an nos set they hadz and then sold me these. The set they have is 6312, and its not even the 2nd choice for a z