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Title: 69 Carpet Configuration-Front Seats
Post by: Mac B on July 18, 2012, 11:38:02 AM
Does anyone have photos or suggestions for proper install of front seats in relation to stock carpet.  I understand that the seats are supposed to be UNDER the carpet.  Mine are currently installed over the carpet.  Since I have them out for cleaning and under dash work I want to reinstall them correctly. This will install cutting perfectly good carpet so I do not want to make mistakes.   Thanks for your help.
Title: Re: 69 Carpet Configuration-Front Seats
Post by: JohnZ on July 18, 2012, 05:31:33 PM
Does anyone have photos or suggestions for proper install of front seats in relation to stock carpet.  I understand that the seats are supposed to be UNDER the carpet.  Mine are currently installed over the carpet.  Since I have them out for cleaning and under dash work I want to reinstall them correctly. This will install cutting perfectly good carpet so I do not want to make mistakes.   Thanks for your help.

On my untouched original 02D Norwood '69, the seat tracks are bolted directly to the floor at both ends; the rear carpet covers the rear bolts, and the rear bound edge of the front carpet covers the front bolts.
Title: Re: 69 Carpet Configuration-Front Seats
Post by: Mac B on July 18, 2012, 05:40:28 PM
Thanks John, so can you tell if there is a slit from bolt hole to bolt hole?
Title: Re: 69 Carpet Configuration-Front Seats
Post by: JohnZ on July 19, 2012, 02:49:10 PM
Thanks John, so can you tell if there is a slit from bolt hole to bolt hole?

Yes, there are slits in the rear carpet around the rear of the seat tracks.
Title: Re: 69 Carpet Configuration-Front Seats
Post by: 69pace on July 20, 2012, 07:21:48 AM
Any pictures?
Title: Re: 69 Carpet Configuration-Front Seats
Post by: JohnZ on July 20, 2012, 04:09:20 PM
<<Any pictures?>>

Here's a shot of the rear of the passenger side inboard seat track - you can see the flap at the rear that covers the bolt. The slits for both tracks run all the way to the front edge of the rear carpet, and that front edge is covered by the rear edge of the front carpet, below the front of the seat.
Title: Re: 69 Carpet Configuration-Front Seats
Post by: 69pace on July 20, 2012, 09:36:42 PM
Ah Thanks John now I see. So the flap is also folded under the seat between the rails.
Title: Re: 69 Carpet Configuration-Front Seats
Post by: Mac B on July 20, 2012, 10:07:33 PM
Thanks John, very helpful.
Title: Re: 69 Carpet Configuration-Front Seats
Post by: JohnZ on July 21, 2012, 02:17:06 PM
Ah Thanks John now I see. So the flap is also folded under the seat between the rails.

Yup - the wide center flap (between the inboard and outboard seat tracks) and the narrow outboard flaps run all the way forward.
Title: Re: 69 Carpet Configuration-Front Seats
Post by: firstgenaddict on December 22, 2012, 01:03:51 PM
John,
Is where the leg tucks in just a 90 deg cut then running forward? Or does the long cut running along the track extend back as far as the short leg towards the rear where it would create an actual flap which could fold back vs a corner which could be held back to install the bolt?
Does this make sense?
Title: Re: 69 Carpet Configuration-Front Seats
Post by: NoYenko on December 22, 2012, 02:45:15 PM
John great picture but I am still puzzled by the cut descriptions. I drew up a picture to help me. Can you tell me if that looks correct. Merry Christmas to all. George
Title: Re: 69 Carpet Configuration-Front Seats
Post by: JohnZ on December 22, 2012, 04:52:40 PM
The slits run the full length of the tracks, as shown in reply #10. Two photos below show the front of the inboard passenger side track where it bolts to the floor. First one is with the carpet in normal position (rear edge of front carpet covering the bolt), second one has the rear edge of the front carpet pulled forward to expose the front edge of the rear carpet adjacent to the track.
Title: Re: 69 Carpet Configuration-Front Seats
Post by: Barefoot Dave on December 22, 2012, 09:39:33 PM
Does anyone have photos or suggestions for proper install of front seats in relation to stock carpet.  I understand that the seats are supposed to be UNDER the carpet.  Mine are currently installed over the carpet.  Since I have them out for cleaning and under dash work I want to reinstall them correctly. This will install cutting perfectly good carpet so I do not want to make mistakes.   Thanks for your help.
The pics here may help too.

http://fototime.com/ftweb/bin/ft.dll/detailfs?userid={D08B98E5-90DE-49D3-B97D-30DAB312653F}&ndx=0&slideshow=0&AlbumId={98167C98-41AD-44FB-AD79-A14AF4CE8569}&GroupId=&screenheight=768
Title: Re: 69 Carpet Configuration-Front Seats
Post by: firstgenaddict on December 23, 2012, 12:20:25 AM
John great picture but I am still puzzled by the cut descriptions. I drew up a picture to help me. Can you tell me if that looks correct. Merry Christmas to all. George

Exactly like I had pictured in my mind... or does the long cut continue down and terminate at the same point toward the rear like the short inner cut?
Title: Re: 69 Carpet Configuration-Front Seats
Post by: NoYenko on December 23, 2012, 04:29:11 AM
Guys those actual photos show a clearer idea on the carpet cuts, but I thought I would correct my drawing to match John's description. George
Title: Re: 69 Carpet Configuration-Front Seats
Post by: 68camaroz28 on December 23, 2012, 05:00:02 AM
Excellent info! Thanks George, Dave, and John..
Merry Christmas, and Happy Holidays & New year to one and all.
Title: Re: 69 Carpet Configuration-Front Seats
Post by: paceme on December 24, 2012, 05:05:39 AM
I attached a few pics of the rear carpet factory cut, which may help. Note the two additional holes cut in the padding on hump(closest to my feet). If you guess what they are Santa will put an extra present under the tree for you. John Z. & Mark C. can't help.

Hope everyone has a great holiday and happy new year.   :-X
Title: Re: 69 Carpet Configuration-Front Seats
Post by: 69pace on December 24, 2012, 06:05:07 AM
Console? or 8track?
Title: Re: 69 Carpet Configuration-Front Seats
Post by: paceme on December 24, 2012, 02:49:21 PM
Well the car has a console, but only about 6000 were used.
Title: Re: 69 Carpet Configuration-Front Seats
Post by: tmodel66 on December 24, 2012, 03:34:29 PM
Pull handle for a parachute?   ::)   IDK  ???
Title: Re: 69 Carpet Configuration-Front Seats
Post by: 68Zproject on December 24, 2012, 03:42:04 PM
Steve, have you measured the distance across of the flaps?  Or can you give dimensions across the whole carpet?  Who makes the most accurate carpet that duplicates the padding like the original?

Title: Re: 69 Carpet Configuration-Front Seats
Post by: tmodel66 on December 24, 2012, 04:12:05 PM
Auto Custom Carpet makes the best carpets.
Title: Re: 69 Carpet Configuration-Front Seats
Post by: 68camaroz28 on December 24, 2012, 04:35:37 PM
Steve, rear inner seat belts?
Title: Re: 69 Carpet Configuration-Front Seats
Post by: paceme on December 24, 2012, 05:12:50 PM
Coal in your stockings. if you open your console door, there are two small indents which are locators for two additional screws that secured the console to the floor.. The screws were only used when an 8 track was ordered. This provided addition al support and stability to the console due to the added mass of the 8 track.  The additional operation is noted in the assembly manual under RPO57
Title: Re: 69 Carpet Configuration-Front Seats
Post by: firstgenaddict on December 25, 2012, 07:28:55 AM
What was under the drivers side rear that made the rectangular impression?  A piece of underlayment?
Title: Re: 69 Carpet Configuration-Front Seats
Post by: paceme on December 26, 2012, 10:28:49 PM
What was under the drivers side rear that made the rectangular impression?  A piece of underlayment?


Yes and I placed it in the same position it was in when it left the factory.
Title: Re: 69 Carpet Configuration-Front Seats
Post by: m22mike on December 27, 2012, 03:34:51 AM
Hay Steve........Nice shoes    :>)
Title: Re: 69 Carpet Configuration-Front Seats
Post by: firstgenaddict on January 01, 2013, 06:31:16 AM
What was under the drivers side rear that made the rectangular impression?  A piece of underlayment?


Yes and I placed it in the same position it was in when it left the factory.

I know you did Steve...
I found a handful of interior trim screws impressed in the underlayment in the Judge Conv I painted 10 years ago... I couldn't leave them. 
Title: Re: 69 Carpet Configuration-Front Seats
Post by: 68Zproject on January 02, 2013, 12:26:38 AM
Steve, have you measured the distance across of the flaps?  Or can you give dimensions across the whole carpet?  Who makes the most accurate carpet that duplicates the padding like the original?


Title: Re: 69 Carpet Configuration-Front Seats
Post by: lynnbilodeau on January 21, 2013, 04:35:14 AM
How about a pic of the floor of the car before the carpet is put in but after the underlayment is out.
My car was "lightened" for racing sometime before 1975 and it had no underlayment at all in it when I got it.

Trying to put some in, but can't figure out two of the pieces.

Thanks in advance.

Lynn
Title: Re: 69 Carpet Configuration-Front Seats
Post by: JohnZ on January 21, 2013, 04:01:33 PM
<<How about a pic of the floor of the car before the carpet is put in but after the underlayment is out.
My car was "lightened" for racing sometime before 1975 and it had no underlayment at all in it when I got it.

Trying to put some in, but can't figure out two of the pieces.>>

Photos below show (in order) the '67, '68, and '69 mastic melt pads (underlayment) that went on the floor pan prior to the carpet.
Title: Re: 69 Carpet Configuration-Front Seats
Post by: 68Zproject on January 22, 2013, 01:22:41 AM
So were those the flat, thin asphalt type mats or the ones with some level of fiber under them?
Title: Re: 69 Carpet Configuration-Front Seats
Post by: lynnbilodeau on January 24, 2013, 02:13:17 AM
Thanks John.
Title: Re: 69 Carpet Configuration-Front Seats
Post by: lynnbilodeau on January 26, 2013, 04:22:16 AM
Pretty sure there is no fiber underneath.  I pulled a set out in 1971, and don't believe there was any of the jute type fiber under those mats.  The jute fiber may permeat those mats over time, especially if the car is outdoors in hot climate.

Now, really dumb question.  I haven't taken the protective backing off yet, but it appears that the one in the driver's footwell will cover one of the holes for the dimmer switch.  Was the switch installed first, then the mat layed over that one hole?

Yeay, I know.  Roy Sinor and I were talking and he told me it sounds like my car is "possesing".  Play on word instead of progressing.

Thanks again for any help.
Title: Re: 69 Carpet Configuration-Front Seats
Post by: 1968RSZ28 on January 26, 2013, 05:26:50 AM
Photos below show (in order) the '67, '68, and '69 mastic melt pads (underlayment) that went on the floor pan prior to the carpet.

John, the door panel in photo #2 suggest the car is a '67.

Paul
Title: Re: 69 Carpet Configuration-Front Seats
Post by: paceme on January 26, 2013, 02:44:59 PM
Steve, have you measured the distance across of the flaps?  Or can you give dimensions across the whole carpet?  Who makes the most accurate carpet that duplicates the padding like the original?

Sorry for the delay, I just saw the request for measurements. From left to right as pictured in inches:

9   +13 1/4   +21   +13 1/2   +8 3/4

Hope this helps.


Title: Re: 69 Carpet Configuration-Front Seats
Post by: JohnZ on January 26, 2013, 04:23:59 PM
Photos below show (in order) the '67, '68, and '69 mastic melt pads (underlayment) that went on the floor pan prior to the carpet.

John, the door panel in photo #2 suggest the car is a '67.

Paul

Could well be a '67 - not my photo.
Title: Re: 69 Carpet Configuration-Front Seats
Post by: JohnZ on January 26, 2013, 04:27:08 PM

 I haven't taken the protective backing off yet, but it appears that the one in the driver's footwell will cover one of the holes for the dimmer switch.  Was the switch installed first, then the mat layed over that one hole?


The mastic/melt pads were installed by Fisher Body, and the dimmer switch was installed much later in the process by Chevrolet.
Title: Re: 69 Carpet Configuration-Front Seats
Post by: 68Zproject on January 27, 2013, 05:19:53 AM
Thanks Steve.  It just looks like those pads are thicker than the sheet of black asphalt I was sent when I did mine.  In your pictures it looks like there is jute around the edges (could be from carpet) and they just look thicker.  Can you guess at the thickness of pads?  1/4 ", more?  The stuff I got was like 1/32" or less.
Title: Re: 69 Carpet Configuration-Front Seats
Post by: paceme on January 27, 2013, 02:40:37 PM
Thanks Steve.  It just looks like those pads are thicker than the sheet of black asphalt I was sent when I did mine.  In your pictures it looks like there is jute around the edges (could be from carpet) and they just look thicker.  Can you guess at the thickness of pads?  1/4 ", more?  The stuff I got was like 1/32" or less.



I would say the thickness is about 3/16"
Title: Re: 69 Carpet Configuration-Front Seats
Post by: 68Zproject on January 27, 2013, 09:38:22 PM
I wonder if there is a place that sells these that are more like the correct thickness?
Title: Re: 69 Carpet Configuration-Front Seats
Post by: lynnbilodeau on January 27, 2013, 10:07:00 PM
Well, I hate to recommend "Repops" brand anything, because most of their items are way off.  But, that is what I have and they are very much like the ones pictured above.  They may not be quite as thick, but you can always double up if you feel you need them thicker.

Lynn