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Title: Last 1969 convertible
Post by: GI JOE on June 12, 2011, 12:47:09 AM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330573818985&fromMakeTrack=true

This eBay seller claims he has the last 1969 Norwood convertible made and a brass plate from GM stating such....  Has this been verified?  I am assuming this may be the last one made for the 1969 production year (Aug 1968 through Aug 1969).   Also I have verified 3 or 4 conv made since Aug 1969 one made in 10E...  i guess the 1970 model run...

Can anyone tell me when Norwood stop and started the model year? I always thought it was ended in July and the new model year started in mid Aug after a two week shut down...

Does the extend 1969 model run VINS have a 9 or a 0 for model year?  JOE 
Title: Re: Last 1969 convertible
Post by: william on June 12, 2011, 01:36:20 AM
The CRG database has over a dozen 1969 Camaro converts built after this one. It is not the last one.

1969 was an odd model year for Camaro. Production began as usual at Norwood the 4th week of August 1968. It appears production slowed during June and July 1969 and continued into the 1st week of November 1969. 

Even GM gets this wrong. Despite press photos showing a 1969 Camaro with a '1970' tag, all were produced as 69s with a 9 in the VIN. The only known change was the addition of locating beads on the LH door shell for positioning the federally-mandated compliance label.
Title: Re: Last 1969 convertible
Post by: GI JOE on June 12, 2011, 02:04:11 AM
So does this guy have a real GM brass tag??? (...and how would one verify that?)  ???  ???

IF that's a real brass GM tag, Did GM possibly think that this was to be last car??? ... or is this guy wearing psychedelic glasses trying to sell his car?? LOL  8)

Title: Re: Last 1969 convertible
Post by: william on June 12, 2011, 03:59:44 PM
Why Chevy would think it necessary to do that escapes me. For every car they made there was a final unit. I do not believe any of those [many thousands] received a tag proclaiming it to be the last. In my 36 years in the hobby I know of no GM car so designated. At the time the car in question was built Norwood was still producing '69s and the '70 tooling problems were known.

The last '69 convert in our db, a much later build than this one, is over 6,000 units from the end of production. I will bet there was/is even a later one.

It is puffery, a BS story intended to hype the car.
Title: Re: Last 1969 convertible
Post by: JohnZ on June 12, 2011, 05:12:53 PM
GM never made "brass plates" for the last unit of any model; the seller made a trip to his local trophy shop to have that one made; pure marketing BS, and it's NOT the "last convertible" either.
Title: Re: Last 1969 convertible
Post by: tmodel66 on June 12, 2011, 06:48:39 PM
Is it me, the picture, or is the engine Red ?
Title: Re: Last 1969 convertible
Post by: IZRSSS on June 12, 2011, 07:15:19 PM
You didn't know ???  That's also covered in the brass plate from GM. Its special engine paint code 974. Specifically ordered through GM for the last '69 convert.
Title: Re: Last 1969 convertible
Post by: GI JOE on June 12, 2011, 10:11:54 PM
Thanks guys, my BS detector was not wrong after all.   
Title: Re: Last 1969 convertible
Post by: IZRSSS on June 13, 2011, 01:17:08 PM
I noticed this guy has two Harrison stickers. I only have the lower one...am I missing something or did these come with two?
Title: Re: Last 1969 convertible
Post by: jeff68 on June 13, 2011, 04:25:02 PM
According to the seller "THIS INCREDIBLE CAR IS THE ONLY NON LETTERED CAR TO EVER WIN THE PRESTIGIOUS RED WHITE AND BLUE AWARD SPONSORED BY THE ICCA. THIS CAR WAS JUDGED BY CAMARO EXPERT JERRY MCNEISH UNDERGOING A RELENTLESS FOUR HOUR JUDGING SESSION WHEN IT GARNERED THE AWARD."

Interesting.  Just a few questions for the experts:
1)  Why doesn't the window sticker show the D80 spoilers? 
2)  Shouldn't it have satin finish windshield header moldings?
3)  What's the purpose of the green zip-tie on the carburetor linkage?
4)  Didn't positraction cars get the warning sticker on the trunk lid?


Anyone else notice that the car has different tires in some of the pictures?
Title: Re: Last 1969 convertible
Post by: IZRSSS on June 13, 2011, 05:51:54 PM
The same guy that poured the bucket of paint on the engine must have inspected it...sorry Ed, couldn't resist.
Title: Re: Last 1969 convertible
Post by: 1968 Z28 on June 13, 2011, 09:19:19 PM
What about the dual exhaust....not on the window sticker and I don't think that a 307 came standard with dual exhaust.  Am I wrong?
Title: Re: Last 1969 convertible
Post by: JohnZ on June 14, 2011, 03:52:09 PM
What about the dual exhaust....not on the window sticker and I don't think that a 307 came standard with dual exhaust.  Am I wrong?

The dual exhaust and spoilers aren't on the sticker - he must have forgotten them in his frenzy to add all the underhood and chassis graffiti. :-)
Title: Re: Last 1969 convertible
Post by: jeff68 on June 14, 2011, 04:53:23 PM
So, how did this car get judged by Jerry M. and earn the "PRESTIGIOUS RED WHITE AND BLUE AWARD"?
Title: Re: Last 1969 convertible
Post by: Kelley W King on June 14, 2011, 05:43:42 PM
I would guess that the front bumper bolts were not rusty at that time.
Title: Re: Last 1969 convertible
Post by: Petes L48 on June 14, 2011, 05:47:59 PM
On a positive note, he didn't have an orange "CAUTION" sticker on the fan shroud ;)
Title: Re: Last 1969 convertible
Post by: IZRSSS on June 14, 2011, 09:22:02 PM
I resemble that remark... :-\