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Title: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on May 26, 2011, 11:36:11 PM
Greetings,

Likely falling under the heading of memorabilia, some time ago I purchased an example of each 1:18 Penske Donohue SCCA Trans Am Camaro that GMP produced and sold during the mid-2000's.  Then I was alternately impressed and disappointed for what was captured, and what was not, whereas now I'm trying to fix everything.  For example, each seem to have a '69 dashboard, whereas all underhood details but for the induction system seem oriented towards an older interpretation of how one of the '69 Penske Donohue Camaros was first restored.  Not a terrible effort overall mind you, but not quite all that I wished for as delivered.  I'm sure others here have thought the same.  

Anyhow, each can be modified, and although incomplete as a trio, below will be seen a few in-progress photographs.  I'm curious if others have attempted mods. much as I have, and specifically, what impressions and ideas may be exchanged or offered up, etc.  Wonderful to notice this unexpected vintage SCCA Trans Am web presence oriented to the Camaro crowd, and very thankful for it.  Hope I do to post a few messages and photographs to lend to the sense of community present here.  Thanks and with warm regards...

Mike K.

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/67a_zpse5b098b6.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/67a_zpse5b098b6.jpg.html)
(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/67b_zps0e547dc6.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/67b_zps0e547dc6.jpg.html)
...'67 Marlboro, MD conversion, incomplete and a bit raw.  Interior/chassis/underhood painted semi-gloss black, markings revised, more to come in the form of a Lane's Performance '67 4BBL cowl induction air cleaner, '67 standard accessory drive, upright radiator, yellow-painted headers, 'stamped' valve covers sans fins, etc.  Entire gray paint application found under roof, on door jams as well as door inner structure removed - incredibly tedious this.  Chrome drip rail tampo print application removed.  Front spoiler removed and reshaped prior to respray of same - quite a bit shorter now.  Thanks so much to the poster who uploaded the underhood picture of this topic within the space of the first thread.  I'd seen the same online, had lost just where I'd seen it, and was heartened to discover this new website addition as I continued my search for the image in question.

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/68a_zps23173238.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/68a_zps23173238.jpg.html)
(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/68b_zps7135a595.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/68b_zps7135a595.jpg.html)
...'68 with revised 'SUNOCO CAMARO' markings situated higher up, red interior panels (sprayed within vinyl interior restoration paint color matched to suit), repainted wheels (sans lugs at present), revised markings, rear screen sans retention straps.  Chrome drip rail tampo print application removed.  Clearly an 'engine out' effort, for the engine is nowhere to be seen.  1:18 Maisto '68 Z/28 grille cut and installed in place of horribly-rendered standard part, headlamp covers drilled out for each of three 'dimples' seen on same within period photographs, reshaped and resprayed front spoiler.  Hood hinges painted black, undersurface now painted blue but may paint black given a color '68 Sam Posey image viewed elsewhere on this website.  Obviously a work in progress.

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/69a_zpsa6e93716.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/69a_zpsa6e93716.jpg.html)
(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/69b_zpse6d549eb.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/69b_zpse6d549eb.jpg.html)
...'69 roughly a Riverside entry but for missing C-pillar Diehard battery sponsorship decals.  Foilwork as well as rubber window gasket detail.  Bumpers removed, overiders on rear bumper sanded off, front and rear refinished.  Grille surround painted gray, grille removed and stripped of chrome, with the same being painted argent.  Markings revised, jack fluorescent 'flashes' done in R/C aircraft vinyl tape, sway bars and mounts to be scratch-built.   Much done that cannot be accurately captured in so short a space.  Fuel inlet 'trap door' setup to come.  Single upright wiper likely the very last thing that will be set in place.  Thanks for inspecting this post.  

M.K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on May 27, 2011, 01:52:15 AM
Terrific post! Thanks for taking the time to do so. You got an eye for the details and I am certainly a fan of that. I think you'll find some others of the same mind here as well. When I heard that GMP was working on these I contacted them and tried everything I could to get them to not do the gray on the '67 model since it was not authentic for that particular car. Told them about the incorrect dash and numerous other details. In effect, they thanked me for my efforts, sent me several pre-production samples as an extra thank you (which I indeed appreciated), but cranked them out just as they were. I was very tempted to pull my '67 model apart and at least redo the gray to black but that hasn't happened. I'm not a modeler of your caliber but I do enjoy looking at the results of your efforts. I like to think I could do something similar but know that is too far down on my priority list to get to that level of professionalism. Show us some more details! How did the '67 and '68 dashes turn out?
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Sixteen Grand Sedan #56 on May 27, 2011, 04:29:43 AM
I agree, a VERY COOL aspect of our hobby 8). I enjoy viewing your work and can appreciate/applaud your efforts to be technically correct.
Keep up the great work :)
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on May 27, 2011, 08:07:59 PM
Thanks for the kind interest displayed,

(Good 1:18 GMP Camaro subassembly photographs are few as when most work undertaken, I did not have a digital camera.  As each Camaro is overhauled in anticipation of final finish work, I'll have more topic-specific photo images to share.  Thanks...  M.K.)

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/Chall_zps0a916656.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/Chall_zps0a916656.jpg.html)
...'70 Autodynamics Sam Posey Challenger.  Most conversions seen online are 1:18 ERTL-based, whereas this is a 1:18 Hwy. 61-based project.  Hand-sculpted flares, massively complex to do from scratch.  '68 Mustang flares to be done in the same fashion.

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/BMBoss15_zpsc2ea473f.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/BMBoss15_zpsc2ea473f.jpg.html)
...'70 BME Parnelli Jones Boss 302.  Revised from1:18 Welly '71-season Follmer release.

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/JohanJav_zpsada3839a.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/JohanJav_zpsada3839a.jpg.html)
...'70 Penske Donohue AMC Javelin.  Jimmy Flintstone resin shell combined with Jo-Han chassis - a quite complex project.  Like my Racemark seat?  Not sure if I should go will a late-season car, hence early kit front spoiler seen in place.

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/69c_zpse6a61448.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/69c_zpse6a61448.jpg.html)
...'69 Penske Donohue underhood, needs stamped steel valve covers, firewall out, accessories and hosing/wiring to come.

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/Gurney2_zpsdd9825fa.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/Gurney2_zpsdd9825fa.jpg.html)
...69 Shelby Racing Co. Dan Gurney Laguna Seca.  Nice one-off ARE CP-200/Trans Am wheels.  Wheels done in three parts but for lugs.

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/blue_zps1cbfcd0d.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/blue_zps1cbfcd0d.jpg.html)
...'68 Shelby Racing Co. mockup.  Just tires and wheels, ride height - nothing more.  Will love to do the oblong headlamp block out plates.

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/98coug_zps44718a0d.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/98coug_zps44718a0d.jpg.html)
...'67 BME Dan Gurney Cougar late-season versus early.  No interior yet, but largely happy.  Fender extensions hacked off with a saw, body paint touched in.  Very, very butch in appearance.

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/17a_zps4bd2690c.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/17a_zps4bd2690c.jpg.html)
...'67 Shelby Racing Co. Jerry Titus.  No interior yet, also largely happy.  If things come undo, well, J. Titus 'rolled his own' more than once in '67.

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/67rear_zpsf07d6858.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/67rear_zpsf07d6858.jpg.html)
...'67 with 1:18 Hwy. 61 '69 Camaro-sourced 'stamped steel' fuel tank fitted versus standard GMP fitment.  Not much to see, but day-to-day stuff if you will.

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Primative point-and-shoot camera with limited manual controls restricts what detail I can capture, whereas a few further photographs of period SCCA Trans Am projects are seen above.  For '67-'68 dashboards, I have a pair of 1:18 Maisto Camaro dashboards which may be mated to the mounts found on the GMP dashboards.  Wish parts cars were cheap, but 1:18 Lane Camaros start at about $70, 1:18 ERTL Authentics Camaros start at about $40, whereas 1:18 Maistos are in the $30 range.  A tiny network of friends who also kitbash diecasts will afford spares, and how thankful I am.  

I do cast standard and modified parts in two-part resin within the space of urethane molds, largely as a means to economy.  What are seen here are mainly pre-assembled and pre-finished diecast models evidencing more than a few errors that this poster has opted to correct.  Some work is quite straightforward and simple, whereas other aspects quite frankly are not.  Bodies are white metal, chassis largely plastic, tires rubber.  Architectural sheet and rod plastic used to scratchbuild that which is missing, whereas brass and aluminum is also employed as required.  Select paintwork is done upon subassemblies pulled clear of the overall work, whereas at other times items must be masked 'in situ.', this lending yet another dimension to various tasks undertaken.  Hmmm - should I attempt to change this for risk of destroying a $120 model?  Decisions, decisions...

Quite hard to see, but on my '69 one may discern tiny 'dymo' labels for the electrical switchgear, an aircraft 'ON/OFF/ switch with red plastic cover, as well as the dash pad covering.  Many details simply can't be seen but are nevertheless there; i.e. the 'swiss-cheesed' dead pedal structure on the '69.  My '69 is currently without wheels, waiting if you will for 'new cast' '69 Minilites with properly shaped spokes complete with more vibrant, almost earthy yellow paint finish applied.  Will install 'stamped steel' valve covers on my '69 as well, whereas what photos are seen here are quite old.  Tires pulled from '69 now fitted to dauntingly complex '70 Autodynamics Challenger - my most ambitious project by far.  I move back and forth across projects, for finishing them seems a terrible bore!  Again, my thanks and updates to come.

Mike K/Swede 70
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on May 27, 2011, 08:47:05 PM
Terrific post! Thanks for taking the time to do so. You got an eye for the details and I am certainly a fan of that. I think you'll find some others of the same mind here as well. When I heard that GMP was working on these I contacted them and tried everything I could to get them to not do the gray on the '67 model since it was not authentic for that particular car. Told them about the incorrect dash and numerous other details. In effect, they thanked me for my efforts, sent me several pre-production samples as an extra thank you (which I indeed appreciated), but cranked them out just as they were. I was very tempted to pull my '67 model apart and at least redo the gray to black but that hasn't happened. I'm not a modeler of your caliber but I do enjoy looking at the results of your efforts. I like to think I could do something similar but know that is too far down on my priority list to get to that level of professionalism. Show us some more details! How did the '67 and '68 dashes turn out?


Dear Jon,

Quite curious what you would have asked GMP to correct back in the day.  Short impressions of lacks include wrong contour on ARE Torq Thrust wheel lips, '69 dashes on everything, wrong interior level on the '69, wrong valve covers, wrong cage '67 and likely off on '68, so-so Minilites (especially wheel spoke design), what seem Goodyear rain tires versus dries fitted across the range, not the best tire size either front or rear, pedal dress-up just seems wrong, etc.  I know that the '67 'over the top' stripes need to come down across the back of the tailpanel and rear valence, although not looking at all forward to fixing that. 

Poor style not to relate that I greatly appreciate what they did successfully capture, but all the same, curious what quickly came to mind in your analysis those years ago.  Certain I'm overlooking things, whereas after a time I just fail to see what may be plain to an expert.  Kind regards...

Mike K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: maroman on May 27, 2011, 09:04:45 PM
Swede70, I was very impressed when I viewed the Sunoco cars.  But now seeing the others you quite a master! Thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on May 27, 2011, 10:10:36 PM
The emails I exchanged with them are on my old mothballed computer. I was trying to get them to make changes that I felt were within the realm of possibility. Certainly I felt the black in place of the gray on the '67 model was something that would be a slam dunk but they did not agree with me that the cars were done that way. They said they conversed directly with Penske's representatives and they had signed off on the cars as presented. Right there I knew it was an uphill climb. I was hoping for engine compartment details to be appropriate for each year and for the dashes to be appropriate for each year as well. While they used the '69 dash for all three years, the steering wheel appeared to be from the '67 for all three. An odd mix. I didn't dare go beyond a whole lot more than that because I could see it just wasn't going to get done. They were building models to fit a price range and as such there neded to be shared components to accomplish that feat. Like you have said, they did make some very nice models and that needs to be kept in perspective. They are miles better than other offerings. Could they have been done better and more accurately? Without question, but they would have been much more expensive and that wasn't in the business plan.

Thank you very much for the photos of your other cars. They are quite extraordinary. I'm thinking that '68 Shelby notchback is going to turn out extremely well. I can't even imagine the hours involved with all of those, especially the Challenger and Javelin.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Bruce302 on May 28, 2011, 04:52:10 AM
Swede 70,

That is fantastic work you are doing. It is so neat to see someone taking the time, and I know it s a LOT of time, to get things 'right'.
Congratulations, I look forward to seeing the finished cars.

Bruce.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: OCTARD on May 28, 2011, 05:03:04 AM
Hello Mike,

Your models are just outstanding.  Every one of them looks, or is progressing, just right.  Great job.

Thanks for sharing, and see you soon.

-Chad
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on May 30, 2011, 03:41:16 PM
Thanks for the kind notice and reception,

A new photo, a touch fuzzy, but what is possible at present.  Single 4BBL '67 engine mock up, intake shorn of erroneously reproduced cast-in water intake neck appropriate for later cross ram, oil inlet tube and cap installed, 'definned and stamped' valve covers in place, oil injection nipple added to valve cover, rudimentary oil breathers added (chrome finish to vanish - each will be cast in resin as good breathers in 1:18th are quite rare and unquestionably useful).  Vents and hoses associated with each breather tube to come.  All of this is pretty raw.

Hope to alter paintwork discreetly concerning finish on valve covers versus block; i.e. from photo observed elsewhere on this site, it does appear the valve covers were fabricated in-house, whereas the long block expectedly came from Traco and wears a discreetly different shade of gray paint.  Hope too to source some pale flat yellow, perhaps model railway issue of some kind.  Headers appear chalky in the period photo, even allowing for the peculiarities of period color process.  Again, thanks for the kind attention.  

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/PenskeDonohueengine_zpse2080bdb.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/PenskeDonohueengine_zpse2080bdb.jpg.html)

Mike K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on May 30, 2011, 09:05:03 PM
I'm loving that. A few things I have seen in original photos, the oil filler tube and cap were chrome, the thermostat housing was gray, the fuel line crossed the passenger side valve cover in the middle aimed at the center of the carburetor and then teed off with arched Aeroquip fuel lines to the front and rear float bowls. The fuel pump boss had a bare aluminum plate covering it and the top two bolts were safety wired, likewise for the bottom two bolts. The same safety wire does not run through all four bolts. For some reason, this car used a big block cowl plenum air cleaner with a subtle notch on the driver's side of the air cleaner housing. They had to shorten the metal extension that went toward the plastic duct on the firewall and when restapling the rubber sleeve to the air cleaner housing, the taped up seam of the rubber was now on top rather than being hidden underneath. What are your plans for the trunk lid? The opening for the fuel filler is for the '68 and '69 style and the trunk pins are not appropriate where they placed them.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on May 31, 2011, 10:16:10 PM
Greeting Jon,
 
Indeed, the water thermostat housing will be painted gray, although at present I'm gathering parts from different sourced to judge how they'll mate.  What I found was sourced from an ERTL Authentics '67 Impala SS and bears orange paint I couldn't remove, hence the finish noticed.  May not be able to do a convincing chrome oil inlet tube, know it was small block Chevrolet dress up package issue, whereas photo seems to suggest either a dirty tube or something unpainted.  Thoughts?

My dashboard is nearly together, combining the package tray of the '69 dash with the pad and instrument panel of a '67 Maisto rendition of the topic.  I reused the standard '69-model GMP mounts, hence a 'bolt-in' mod. if you will.  I always try to 'keep the mods on the part', leaving everything else untouched even if it results in an extensively modified subassembly.  Best to respect standard mounting points, reuse structure, add rather than remove strength. 

Standard vinyl 'braided' lines with aircraft fittings to be removed entirely, whereas I kindly thank you for your informed input.  My photos to compliment this post were quite a mess, hence I opted to delete the same.  I think I'll study a few color Penske Donohue USRRC Lola photos reproduced in period issues of Sports Car Graphic from '67 to ponder what might have been Penske build practice translatable to the first-year SCCA Trans Am effort with the Camaro.  Slightly different personnel behind each build, but perhaps something to learn anyhow.

I'll soon have a choice between two 4BBL cowl induction setups for the '67 Camaro, one tooled by Maisto, the second by Lane.  Neither will be perfect, whereas I hope to modify that which I'll base matters upon in the fashion you've articulated.  Happily the assembly isn't chromed, hence much work can be performed without drawing betraying the extent of mods. done for extremely close inspection. 

Lastly, I may go one of two directions with the deck lid.  Should I source a solid decklid from another GMP release, then the body will be entirely refinished in a darker blue appropriate for the '67 season.  Pity I didn't consider undertaking this work prior to applying what are quite scarce waterslide decals.  The least-resistance option will be to remove the plastic insert and fashion from scratch an elaborate flush-fit plug with revised and corrected inlet detail on a smaller scale.  The inlet will be lifted up, whereas somehow, some way a round 'slam shut' hinged aluminum top will be fabricated and fitted. Thanks - I really appreciate the fellowshiip and interest afforded. 

M.K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on June 01, 2011, 05:19:21 PM
Greetings,

Quick photo update.  Dashboard mockup seen, GMP '69 Camaro front package tray and mounts saved and reused, Maisto '67 Camaro dashpad and instrument panel meshed to same.  Item screws in as per stock; i.e. no glue.  Pedal dress up vanishes, instrument cluster to be painted as will be dash.  Coming along...

Mike K.

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/Penskeenginedash67_zps56ac5c1f.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/Penskeenginedash67_zps56ac5c1f.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on June 01, 2011, 05:40:34 PM
Hello Mike, fun to hear more details and see another photo. The filler and cap was indeed chrome. Other photos have erased all doubt. I do agree the one from Marlboro would be nicer if it was a sharper image. I'll look for some photos of original cowl plenum air cleaners with the notch I was talking about. I know I have some. The fabricated Penske instrument cluster is patterned after the '69 and is not right for the '67. It's too wide toward the passenger side. Just a tach in the center and two smaller guages, one above the other on either side of the tach. Yes, the cluster was painted black. The middle of the steering wheel also had the word "Think" on it. Best of luck with that litte detail touch!
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on June 04, 2011, 06:16:38 PM
Thanks Jon,

Working on air cleaner, snorkel and what they seem to describe as the plenum chamber for the same.  Have fabricated wider snorkel to attach to air cleaner base, whereas plenum to be scratchbuilt.  Photos to come, but progressing.  Scratchbuilt new instrument pod/cluster that is both narrower and tapered a bit from top to bottom.  Have copy of first and second edition of The Unfair Advantage, know famous instrumentation photograph, wish it were all not painted black for hard to see details within what seems a tomb.  'THINK' lettering actually quite possible, given that scale railroaders in N and HO scale are afforded font size and styles of nearly any description.  Hopefully it will all come off.  Again, my appreciation...

Mike K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: wolfmin on June 07, 2011, 05:23:37 PM
I have picked up several of these models over the past few years with great plans. I found that one of the easiest first improvements you can do on these models is to replace the exhaust pipes with K&S aluminum tubing.  Nice size, color and wall thickness.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on June 07, 2011, 08:05:11 PM
Regarding the notch in the air cleaner housing, these two photos should give you a fair idea of what it needs to look like. I thought I had something better in my files but can't locate them as of yet.

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Chevelle-plenum3ebay.jpg)

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Chevelle-plenum1ebay.jpg)
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on June 07, 2011, 08:27:00 PM
The dash in the car looks very similar in layout to the one seen below (from Pat Ryan's Penske Camaro). Some differences are...
1) yours should be painted black.
2) yours should not have the protruding light in the 10 o'clock position relative to the tach.
3) your tach should have single digits (read in thousands) rather than double-digits (read in hundreds).
4) the tach needle should be at rest around the 5 o'clock position rather than the 4 o'clock seen below.
5) there is just one switch on the left side, slightly lower than the top one seen below.
6) the stock switches should still be present in the dash
7) disregard the center dash area in the photo below. Your model is different than that.

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/psryandash.jpg)
Photo by Jon Mello
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on June 08, 2011, 05:18:41 PM
Thank you both, and thanks Jon for turning up and posting the '67 cowl induction air cleaner housing photographs - I really appreciate the kindness,

Slow progress, dash and other parts soaking in paint stripper - hence not quite photo-worthy.  1:18 Lane cowl induction air cleaner/snorkel/plenum assembly lent to me, the same promptly cast.  Took casting and enlarged snorkel (will modify and reshape given your input Jon - thanks!), whereas largely happy with the shape of the Lane air filter lid and housing.  Plenum overly large at present, but this is scheduled to be further shaped and shrunk as I get closer to what is required.  

What is seen in the photograph painted black is the standard 1:18 Lane Performance part, the white resin item that which I cast and subsequently modified, whereas the last item is the standard 1:18 GMP exposed element part.  Still a work in progress, whereas I next hope to remove the hood and hinges, and final fit with the engine and firewall in place.  Where the plenum is screwed down at three points will be sanded to reflected a bit of a bend in the material, whereas again, all of this will shrink a bit as I come closer to final.   If it all comes together, I'll likely cast the finished '67 air filter/snorkel/plenum in its entirety should anyone want one.  Yes, I'll get that recess seen on the base correct - thanks Jon!

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/cp1_zps88b27f57.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/cp1_zps88b27f57.jpg.html)

Need to experiment more with regards to the exhaust dumps.  Have tried to bend the appropriate K&S tubing diameter to suit, although I greatly suspect I'm not using a good enough bender; i.e. my efforts crimp.  Have tried to apply heat prior to bending, but alas, no dice.  Thanks for the kind suggestion to try the same.  More to come...

Mike K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on June 08, 2011, 05:33:00 PM
This concerning the dash and directions taken,

Thanks for the very nice '67 dash image Jon.  The Maisto part is crude, but a basis for something and hence I'm using it.  Did wonder if standard heater control block out plates or radio block out plates were used, although if they were plastic I can't imagine a race fabricator adding flammable anything to the interior.  Probably best to cut out the entire center section, and insert a fabricated overlay sans detail.  Thought too as to whether the push/pull standard switches were retained, and if not, if the resultant holes were left alone or plugged.  Thanks for guiding the way forward here.  Though constrained by the scarce availability of 1:18 specific photoetched parts, metal rings for the instruments and photo-reduced gauge faces will likely find their way here.  At least the strange 'tunnel effect' of the gauge faces will be done away with on the standard GMP model as-delivered.

I'm seeing what appears to be an asbestos pad in one photo not unlike what was seen in the forward footwells '69-'70 Bud Moore Mustangs.  What a modeler might do is to take a few sheets of paper towel and soak the same in a solution of diluted white glue, press fit the same to the footwell, remove when dry, and then trim/paint/fit the resultant 'pad'.   A bit tedious, but at least no asbestos hazard is risked!  Thanks for the interest and support.  Model now features an exterior round side mirror - but sigh, for that news the ground did not shake.

Mike K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on June 10, 2011, 02:55:44 PM
Nice work on the new casting for ther cowl plenum assembly. Very impressive, especially for an unfinished piece. Regarding the dash, the factory delete plates were removed. The metal bezel/trim for that center area was kept but all black (no more chrome edge). In the upper area where the heater controls would be on a normal Camaro, there were 12 vertically mounted fuses. These were on a plate that was at the same angle as the dash but sunk in maybe 1/4". In the radio hole, there were at least two but probably three toggle switches mounted on a plate that did not follow the angle of the dash. The plate was vertical (perpendicular to the ground) so that the effect was the top appeared to be more sunken in than the bottom. Underneath that center dash area were two gauges. A small 2 1/16" gauge similar to the ones in the dash pad and to its right, a larger 2 5/8" gauge which I think is for fuel pressure. Both are angled slightly toward the driver and appear to be in separate mounting brackets. The stock shift boot is used and the metal ring to hold it down is black. As for the pad, it was not used earlier in the season. I know it appears to be in there for the race following Marlboro but when it was added, I don't know. The floor itself is blacked out. I hope this is useful.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on June 13, 2011, 03:34:12 PM
Thanks for the kind guidance Jon concerning the '67 dash and all else,

Work continues across the three Camaros, whereas the photo below chart my efforts to come up with better 1:18th Trans Am Minilites.  I created a new mold across the weekend for the '69 wheels, whereas I hope to paint them a Tamiya F1 'Camel cigarettes' yellow versus the rather pale GMP paint spec. Wheels now soaking in Bleche White to ensure that paint will adhere to them.  

I wasn't happy with the rather mechanically rendered GMP Minilites, especially regarding the spoke design, whereas sometime back the opportunity was taken to hand form spokes and replace the outer wheel lip with something featuring a proper taper complete with the upraised rim edge detail for the '69 wheels, and the 'lipless' design for '70 and later wheels.  All very tedious to perform, but a nice improvement yielded.

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/Missing1_zps5a0b3d63.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/Missing1_zps5a0b3d63.jpg.html)
...old photograph comparing standard GMP Minilite to revised wheel prior to final puttywork.  Note black plastic 'flat lip' rim outer, scratchbuilt and hand shaped spokes, stock wheel spider and reuse of inner rim structure.  Base model a basic mockup of a ERTL-based 1:18 '70 Vic Elford Chaparral Camaro that is depicted here without flarework of any kind; i.e. a bit crude.

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/Missing69LipMinilites_zps1d94e4b1.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/Missing69LipMinilites_zps1d94e4b1.jpg.html)
...same wheel, now with '69 wheel outer lip.

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/Missing2_zps25e04ed7.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/Missing2_zps25e04ed7.jpg.html)
...same project, '70 and later Minilite next to unmodified GMP wheel and tire.

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/Missing3_zps01e45ea0.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/Missing3_zps01e45ea0.jpg.html)
...'69 wheels and tires, new instrument pod for '67, revised '67 front package shelf with '69 dashpad that edged into same sanded off.  Finer panel and cluster work still to come.  


Thanks...

Mike K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on June 14, 2011, 05:22:19 PM
Mike, I have to confess I was not aware of the subtle differences between a '60s Minilite and the '70-later version. It is a little hard to see on the small wheels shown in your photos. I'll see if I might have some photos that make this more readily apparent. Once again though, impressive work and thanks for sharing it with us.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: JoeC on June 15, 2011, 10:43:52 AM
Fantastic Modeling work - looks great

one small detail on the Hurst chrome shifter stick. The 60's and early 70s Hurst chrome stick were stamped with larger Hurst letters
then is used today. They are hard to find. I have large letter sticks for 67-68 Camaro, 69 Camaro, and 70 Camaro so I know they used the larger Hurst letters in those years
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on June 15, 2011, 04:15:33 PM
Thanks indeed for the shifter 'HURST' imprint insight/feedback,

Worried I might have few choices in 1:18 to address same, whereas in 1:24 and 1:25 plastic so many options for there are so many higher quality kits to draw spares from.  I like 1:18 diecast for the topic is naturally larger, the assemblies more robust, the white metal bodies receptive to the use of actual auto body supplies.  Not so delicate then but for what delicate items I choose to add.

Anyhow, a revised '67 fiberglass plenum - the shape informed by an article found where the same was reproduced.  Much less bulk, whereas a coin can be seen below the air cleaner housing to raise it a bit, allowing the snorkel to bend down.  Tried too to curve down the plenum as it meets the hinge detail, while the center has been sanded to reflect where again the plenum bends slightly at it is screwed to the cowl proper.  Look closely for subtle this is.  The plenum is still a bit tall of section, but coming closer then.  Sorry for headache-inducing images; i.e. a proper full-manual control camera something not at present possible to budget.  Thanks...

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/cp2_zps09ac0933.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/cp2_zps09ac0933.jpg.html)
(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/cp3_zpsb0840fb9.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/cp3_zpsb0840fb9.jpg.html)
...tried to file in air cleaner base divot.  

M.K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on June 17, 2011, 05:01:12 PM
Mike, that air cleaner and duct are coming along nicely!
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on June 18, 2011, 07:29:30 PM
Thanks for the kind words,

Ordered spare trunklid without fuel dump 'hole'; i.e. a solid standard trunk lid from another 1:18 GMP release via a modder on eBay adept at creating dioramas.  Hope this will afford me right utility to fashion the same into what I need; i.e. same panel with a smaller inlet and vent if I can confirm just how to site it.  Worried that so much work on that panel would draw undo attention to same, whereas modest paint mismatch is the worst that could become of replacing the lid outright.  The 'solid' lid will form the basis of a clean and unexpected mod. for those quite used to seeing the incorrect fueling gear on the '67 rendition of the GMP Penske Camaro Trans Am.  

Seams now added to fiberglass plenum, as well as the intake snorkel on either side.  Nearing final, hoping to recast air cleaner assembly to clean up the lid detail which at present bears flaws.  Done in three parts, sad to think all the work will vanish under so much black paint.  Frightful photo image blurrily reproduced below.  Thanks again...

Mike K.

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/cp4_zpsdc695715.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/cp4_zpsdc695715.jpg.html)

M.K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on June 20, 2011, 06:15:09 AM
Great that you have been able to find an alternative trunk lid. Here is a Craig Fisher photo of the rear of the car at Sebring in 1967. It shows how the rear stripes should be done, the screen replacing the white backup lenses, the wider red lenses than what is on the model and maybe a few other details for you to pick up on. The rear spoiler at Marlboro was taller than this stock one and the pinstripes were not done on the spoiler at Marlboro either. Also, that same filler cap as seen in this photo is used at Marlboro but it is much lower. Just above deck lid height. The hole is centered in the lid, both L-R and fore-to-aft (front edge of spoiler to front edge of trunk lid). There is maybe 3" of real-life clearance around that filler on the decklid and it has a bead of rubber to finish off the circumference of the hole.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on June 20, 2011, 06:25:51 AM
Mike, here's a photo of the steering wheel showing the word "THINK" on it. It was shown in the '67 Bryar Trans-Am program.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on June 20, 2011, 05:33:10 PM
Greetings Jon,

Thanks for the kind input, the very astute and valued observations afforded.  Very interesting both photographs, whereas I like the screen vent of the trunk area via the taillight cluster assembly - something I might not have noticed for a few weeks just examining said image.  Thanks very much for sourcing the photograph, indicating the venue, and pathfinding means to understand and interpret just what is being seen.  

The wrap of the steering wheel rim seems only to show up for the instrumented test session hosted by GM, whereas I think I might cut my wheel to fit something that might be finished to suggest wood.  I rue 'painting wood', and may look at other models or hobby supply sources to perhaps find a wooden rim to employ here.  I should be able to make better progress soon, having spent perhaps a bit too much time on the air cleaner assembly.  

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Though a project not soon to be tackled, this weekend I picked up a 1:18 Yat Ming/Road Legend '69 Pontiac Trans Am (a dreary tool this) as well as a 1:18 Lane '68 Firebird (an exceptionally fine tool this) with the hope of eventually mating the stack of parts into a backdated '69/'68 Firebird Titus racer.  '69 shell, '68 hood scoops, faux '68 side trim, rear bubble flares (mild these), and the distinctive '68 'beak' fit to the panelwork of the new car.  Given the front bumper was painted (fiberglass replica or aluminum perhaps?), hacking and slashing to mate the same to the Yat Ming/Road Legends shell should be doable.  As an aside, I wonder how they homologated what seemed a Chevrolet Camaro rear spoiler?  It would be fun to have two - one the anticipated and ready to go '69 Tunnel Port 303-powered racer, the second what they were effectively forced to compete with as outlined above with Canadian Chevrolet/Acadian power.  Not to be seen soon, but parts being gathered for an elaborate future initiative.  Thanks so much...

Mike K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Bruce302 on June 22, 2011, 09:22:20 AM
Mike, I love the idea of the 68/69 Titus Firebird model. Craig Fisher ran the full '69 Trans Am Firebird in early '70. It was a very nice looking car, but I am a bit biased.

Bruce.

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Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on June 22, 2011, 03:55:10 PM
I agree that one (or two) of those Firebird models would be neat to see. A significant amount of work but based on what I have seen so far, something you could definitely pull off.

As for the steering wheel in Donohue's Camaro at Marlboro, it definitely had the same black electrical tape wrap as see in the earlier test session. Here is a photo at Marlboro with the door open. Only the bottom section of the wood wheel is exposed. [Note the Penske Racing "crest" decal which is not on the model]

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Donohue67Marlborointeriorshot.jpg)
Photo by Andrew Keller

Below is a photo taken two weeks later at the Continental Divide Trans-Am in Colorado. The steering wheel is the same as at Marlboro. This happens to be the last race for this steering wheel as it broke during the race and was subsequently replaced with a Grant 3-spoke. Of note on the wood wheel is that there are alternating bands of dark and light colored wood.

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Donohue67CDRinteriorRShaw.jpg)
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on June 22, 2011, 04:06:50 PM
Notice how badly bowed the hood is at Marlboro and Continental Divide while being in the fully closed position. Special thinner-gauge front sheet metal had been stamped for Penske on a one-time basis in the GM tooling prior to the August 6th Trans-Am at Bryar. Unfortunately, Mark broke an axle twice at Bryar and crashed the car heavily, nose first, into a wood barricade trashing all the new front sheet metal. The least damaged was the hood so they kept it even though it is not up to the cosmetic standards one normally associates with Penske. When this car got damaged in the trailering accident on the way to the Modesto Trans-Am in early September, the hood finally met its demise.

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Donohue67Marlboroonpitlane.jpg)
Photo by Andrew Keller
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on June 22, 2011, 07:25:05 PM
Greetings Jon,

Fine eye (if I don't sound bit too much like a Little League father yelling from the stands!) for what just wholly escaped me.  Much I'm missing, as I first thought I was seeing the play of shadows across those other images concerning the wood wheels that are revealed plainly for your input to have taped sections.  GMP did a wholly-taped wheel, while I prepared to go on of two ways - not a third!  

I have some old AW & CP issues that have the two '69 spec. Titus/Godsall Firebirds updated to single 4BBL/Ram Air IV head/tall deck block '70 spec. (whew! - I'm tired!) for sale in elaborate print ads., hence know/love those too!  Such confidence they telegraph in the ads., speaking of their competitiveness.  Pity the '70 Pontiac engine not really a match for what were in essence top-flight '69 factory-backed clone customer cars/chassis.  As an aside, the same AW & CP 'stack o'decaying newsprint' has reportage to the effect that ARA intended to purchase All American Racing constructed 'Cudas to campaign in the 1970 season - plans that came to naught.  

As to the Fisher-purchased T/G Firebirds, any guess what color these were painted?  Were I not so slow, so deliberate, I'd have an example of each.  I think it would be intelligent to do the former two side-by-side.  Although separate and apart, the Fisher '70 spec. would likely be the easiest of all, requiring fewer body and drivetrain mods. to 'get there'.  Collecting parts for a '70 Titus Firebird, with aqua-painted Minilites, four 'rear' tires, and the usual 'much that is missed' approach.  Literally a hobby for a lifetime, for I am a shop of one.  Thanks and with very kind regards...

Mike K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on June 22, 2011, 07:33:25 PM
Short note,

The Penske Racing crest will likely have to be photo-reduced and printed off on either decal stock or high-quality paper to be cut out and white-glued in place - inelegant this.  Pondering the purchase of the George Follmer '67 GMP (with crest tampo-printed and in place), imagining the transfer of the single 4BBL small block Chevrolet to a long-range '70 Chaparral Camaro project, destruction testing the rear so as to understand what is necessary to remove the taillights or mask the rear panel, etc.  GMP tires and a spare set of ARE wheels aren't to be taken lightly either given that I can't quite cast them - yet.  Hope in time to find a means or cottage industry source to turn aluminum wheel outer lips - another long-range desire then.  

Funny and a bit sad too as I reflect upon how many horribly modified high school Camaros wore the extended racing stripes down the back, and to note now that such mods. had basis in fact!  Egads!  Love photo that proves post-Bryar wreck that the thin gauge hood was salvaged and reused - until DISASTER! Have old SCG '67 Season Review that depicts the Donohue's broken axle-induced guardrail encounter - oh, the sorrow and the pity!  Considerable thanks from this quarter...

Mike K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on June 23, 2011, 06:30:57 PM
One photo of the crash at Bryar. I don't recall if this is the one from SCG or not.

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Donohue67Bryarcrash.jpg)
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on June 23, 2011, 09:07:35 PM
Greetings Jon,

Thanks for your kind effort.  Yes, yours is the same shot that is shown in the 1967 SCG Competition Year Review I have in my possession.  I've not compared issue-for-issue to note or notice if extra coverage is afforded within the yearbook per se, but rather doubt it.  Again, my appreciation.

P.S. ...with the distinct 'wood band' appearance of the steering wheel, might they have fitted something manufactured by Nardi?  I could search my mags. to inspect classifieds, whereas I have an old Villem Hahn (sp?) and perhaps a MG Mitten catalog to flip through that might reveal the manufacturer of the same. 

Mike K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on June 24, 2011, 02:43:56 PM
You're very welcome, Mike. I'm glad to be of help.

I don't recall where I heard the story but it seems that Donohue was given the wheel prior to the start of the season. Can't remember who it came from but he felt inclined to use it. You can see that they had to fabricate their own hub out of billet aluminum to mount it on the steering column so whatever it was originally meant for, it would likely be foreign. The names you suggest would be a good start. I was thinking Les Leston might be another. The slots in the spokes are shaped very much like the standard Corvette wheel of the mid-'60s however this steering wheel is not dished at all. The Nardi wheels have a slot that is much too narrow and they also have the Nardi name engraved on them. This wheel Donohue used had nothing engraved on the spokes.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on June 26, 2011, 03:51:53 AM
This photo is from the August 6, 1967 Bryar Trans-Am. Its shows the location of the battery in the
right rear corner of the trunk, the taller than stock rear spoiler with the notch for the trunk pin,
the lack of a pinstripe on the spoiler versus the striping on the rest of the car, the hole in the lid
for the fuel filler and maybe one or two other details if you spend the time and look closely.

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/DonohueBryar1.jpg)
Photo from Bryar Racing magazine

Here's another shot taken at the same time but by a different photographer. More interesting details to see.

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Ron%20Lathrop%20photos/1967BryarTrans-Am021.jpg)
Photo by Ron Lathrop
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on June 27, 2011, 05:45:56 PM
Greetings,

Some discreet work again; i.e. efforts to revise the rollcage structure.  It may all be scratchbuilt, whereas what can be noticed is the removal of all cross bars from within the main hoop (one across to be fitted soon), whereas simple bars extend back down towards the rear subframe versus extending into the trunk area.  I didn't see the side bars bowing out as they do on the later Penske Camaros, hence the same replaced with straight stock, whereas the tubes set on an angle nearest the front footwells are new.  Convinced I am that the tubes right in front of the footwell tubes set on an angle are wrong, but not certain what might exist there.  Not seeing shadows, I cannot tell just how far forward the tubes extend into the footwells, whereas the standard items seem patterned roughly on the '69 spec.  One can further see the tube added that is situated below the dash that stretches across from side to side.  The tiny panel fitted to where the heater and radio might otherwise have been fitted is berift of fuse panel detail, hence incomplete it is.  

I expect that I've done a few things wrong here, and that further work will be required.  Given that the tubes mate at rather severe angles and are visible as such from outside of the vehicle (versus later Trans Am cars where the installation of such tucks them under the roof), much can be said in favor of tossing the diecast plastic parts aside and beginning anew.    Thanks Jon for the kind provision of photographs and always relevant insight.  

Mike K.

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/67cage_zps602f932a.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/67cage_zps602f932a.jpg.html)

M.K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on June 29, 2011, 05:21:55 PM
I have reattached your photo with some editting. The legs I have colored green should not be used, although I understand that it doesn't appear to be logical. I will support that with a different photo. The yellow line is a bar that may or may not be there. I suspect it is but don't know that for a fact as it is very hard to see everything in an all-black interior. I still have some other photos to review. What I do know is there is nothing above that yellow line in terms of a cross-brace. The bars that I drew a thin blue line on are lower than this. I posted a couple of other photos in the "Original T/A racing photographs" thread and you can see that the front/top cross bar is so low that it almost gets in the way of the rear view mirror.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on June 29, 2011, 05:41:38 PM
This photo of the second '67 Penske Camaro, while not the same car, shows that they did not make the forward bar of the roll cage run straight down to the floor. Note that the lower part of the forward bar goes through the floor and is welded to the subframe underneath. I am not 100% certain this is how the Marlboro car was done. I don't think it was. I think it was attached to the inner rocker panel area. Again, the black interior of the 1st Penske car makes it difficult to tell.

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Donohuecage2nd67Camaro.jpg)
Photo by Craig Fisher
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on June 30, 2011, 05:13:28 PM
I just received this 1967 Bryar Trans-Am photo which shows a hint of a bar (by Donohue's shoulder) running between the two uprights of the main hoop of the roll cage. Therefore, the line I indicated in yellow above would seem to be appropriate to the design of the cage.

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Ron%20Lathrop%20photos/1967BryarTrans-Am023.jpg)
Photo by Ron Lathrop
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on June 30, 2011, 07:14:57 PM
Greetings Jon,

Great thanks for the considerable effort you've made towards the end of assisting me concerning the cage configuration. Hugely appreciative I am, whereas I've just picked up supplies to make a very determined go of the cage beyond that seen to date. Again, I'm quite at a loss for words concerning the value of the input afforded me.  I hope to capture another image of the cage and chassis to confirm said input was acted upon. Cage fabrication is fun - undeniable 'value-added' concerning the '...well, can you communicate to me just what you did?' angle, and quite satisfying to execute. Given the '70 Autodynamics Challenger project features about the most fiendishly complex period cage I can identify, I view this as a run up of sorts to that effort.  

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Indeed - what a strange configuration for the 'missing two of the four point' roll cage!  I intend to start from the front outriggers and build back, replicating how the bars mate up to these first, then proceed aft. Not sure how much original material I'll save, whereas plates for the base of each contact point of the cage are simple to fabricate and will be added. Hollow tube with brass rod to prevent flexing and sagging.  Fishmouth tube to tube final fitting all done by hand; i.e. just like the actual cage, simply done in 1:18th scale.  A bread board with a few nails tapped into it is my 'mandrel' and 'jig' both, whereas for something that hasn't a cage, file cards folded in half are cut and cut again to smoothly mesh into roof and side interior contours when the same is required. My '70 Penske Donohue Javelin has a cage scratchbuilt in this fashion, and far superior it is to a two-piece cast 'tube' affair.

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Thanks too for the pair of trunk photographs.  No grassy knoll photographs then?  Memories too of the film Blow Up.  Amazing how in a burst photographers might gather around, be intrigued by unexpected access to an atypical sight, and finally, to have two photographs emerging from that same moment with the passage of years. With very much appreciation...

Mike K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on June 30, 2011, 07:33:37 PM
Greetings,

Pondering the fabrication of the enlarged duck tail spoiler, expect same would be based on a modified and doctored mold of the standard GMP item.  In short, I'd make an effort to cast the top tip of the spoiler without letting the urethane mold material creep right up to the base of the same (the mold being a one-piece affair), stop and apply clay to the standard spoiler to 'gap the transition' between the higher lip and the slightly lower base, reinsert the spoiler, then finish the mold.  I'd expect it to be a bit rough, but subtle as is the doubtlessly hand cast one-off (or two!) seen in the photograph.  Control afforded too to replace the squared-off pin recesses with half-round, whereas photo-etched items used (or perhaps real watch/timepiece hardware) to secure spoiler from the top.  The underside splash shield seen in the trunk photos can be handled easily enough, whereas thanks so much for the assortment of inlet shots. I have the solid trunk lid panel in hand now, and am beginning to drill through the same to lend momentum to that aspect of the effort.  With much thanks...

Mike K.

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(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/69d_zpsf8689ae5.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/69d_zpsf8689ae5.jpg.html)

...and aside then.  I painted my '69 Minilites and fit the same.  Not totally pleased with paint tone - a bit too earthy, almost looks like the restored racer, whereas period color photographs suggests a paler hue ought to have been employed.  Pondering what to do, whereas same are naked for being sans lugs/wheel centering hub/wheel weights, etc.

M.K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on July 01, 2011, 03:27:15 PM
Greetings Jon,

Tried to strictly replicate cage informed by the photo image you modified and uploaded.  Could change the side bar detail to reflect integration of the side tubes as seen on the second car complete with tiny outrigger(s).  Plates for base of tubes not yet in position, but dimensionally it looks o.k.  Front tubes cut out and redone, with each forming the welding point of all structure spreading from them.  Hoping to fab. a trans. linkage access panel if that was seen across years.  Will be all but invisible beneath paint, but something obvious to add.  Thanks...

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/cage3_zps26612657.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/cage3_zps26612657.jpg.html)
(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/cage4_zps8e3e1f38.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/cage4_zps8e3e1f38.jpg.html)

Mike K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on July 03, 2011, 05:44:11 AM
Mike, it does seem that the color of the wheels on the '69 should ideally match the yellow used on the "Sunoco Camaro" lettering.

Your '67 cage is looking much more accurate now. One thought, I think the upright pieces of the main hoop should not be spread so far apart or maybe it's just that the rear angled support bars seem to be angled inward too much. There is some distance between the uprights of the main hoop and the inner part of the rear backseat area. It might be similar in that regard to the later '67 car, as seen below. The photo was taken in May '68. This may explain how the horizontal bar which runs next to the door in your model gets attached further out than the vertical part of the main hoop. A small "leg" extends over to the side of the body.

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Gagnon5-68.jpg)
Photo by Craig Fisher
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on July 03, 2011, 06:11:04 AM
Mike, you might also watch this youtube video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Epz2Ari5SEM) as there is a good view of the dash when Donohue bring the car into the pits at Daytona. Unfortunately, this is prior to the full roll cage being installed or it could have been even more useful to your model building cause.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on July 05, 2011, 02:40:42 PM
Greetings Jon,

Thanks again for the considered input.  New wheels, now finished with what is in essence the header paint employed before at are present drying in anticipation of my fitting them later today.  They will quite nicely match the Mission Bell 250 color photographs of the topic as seen in the '69 season issue of the Vintage Motorsports Trans Am retrospective.  Thanks for this 'shove' in the right direction.  Odd, for the model appears a bit denatured for the paler color choice, but correct it is. 

Wondering if I should just try to do a very faithful rendition of the very well documented cage in the second Camaro.  Reading The Unfair Advantage suggests that only in relation to GM instrumented testing did they begin to extend the cage out to stiffen the unibody outright, whereas some photographs show rather spindly support tubes set at odd and atypical angles heading back.  I surmised that they sited these tubes early season towards the rear subframe as it extended forward into the passenger's compartment, versus through the bulkhead and towards points at the end of each subframe rail.  It seemed that as the testing of the instrumented Camaro proceeded, that the configuration was revised for lessons learned.  I suppose I made a stab at the early non-reconfigured first build. 

Will likely blow apart cage to scratchbuild everything, and see especially to the bowed out side bar detail and attendant structure.  It will take a little bit, but what is seen will be captured.  Will revise tubing coming off back of main hoop to reflect what is seen in the photos you've kindly provided.  Thanks for the ESPN2 clip - love that.  Very kind regards...

Mike K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on July 05, 2011, 08:00:25 PM
Mike, if you are trying to replicate the '67 Marlboro winner, which I believe you are, then you don't want to copy the cage of the 2nd car. It's similar but not the same and as you pointed out, the roll cage bars do not extend into the trunk. I'd much rather see you keep what you have than go the other route.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on July 07, 2011, 01:44:12 PM
Greetings Jon (and to all who might look in),

Relieved in a sense that for splitting the side bars away from the '67 main hoop that needn't strictly refab. the same, noticing that the side outriggers angle forward a bit.  This saves me work, whereas jealous I've become with regards to recycling 'work capital' if you will.  Yes, I'll recommit to the original plan with regards to the cage.

Fitted new '69 model wheels to '69 car.  Though impossible to discern for the limits of the images provided, the castings look nice.  Seam detail is as seen on the actual wheels, forming at the base of the spokes where I mated the two halves of the urethane mold.  A discreet line/border is formed where the outer rim mates to the broader body of the rim much like the '69 Javelin images you kindly uploaded, whereas I tried too to create the round pads presumably cast into the wheel to afford options to tap an air valve.  These are a bit large of diameter, but not hateful.  The wheels finally look about right; i.e. not some exceedingly well finished billet item, not raw and evidently slipshod, but quality castings that are no more and no less than that.  Hub guides in place, lugs not.  Read teflon finish applied to same, tried to reproduce with gray paint.  Better then - thank you...

M.K.

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/69e_zps071a02de.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/69e_zps071a02de.jpg.html)
(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/69f_zpsc2367bdb.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/69f_zpsc2367bdb.jpg.html)
...'stamped steel' valve covers in place too, albeit difficult to see.  
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on July 08, 2011, 03:52:46 AM
Mike, I think that's a good decision regarding the cage in the '67.

The '69 is looking very good. Lots of effort there and it shows. The wheels look nicer now that they match the yellow on the body although, truth be known, I think your first wheel color was closer to correct and the yellow on the body was a bit too light. Can't monkey around with that however so you did the next best thing. You must be working on a steering wheel as I don't see one in there. Glad to see that as the one GMP put in was not correct for '69.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on July 08, 2011, 07:21:16 PM
Greetings Jon,

Yes, steering wheel out, whereas not sure if I can do anything about the fact that the spokes aren't drilled like an actual Grant wheel.  Maybe small circles of black paint can be applied, maybe not.  Some decals exist on the market in 1:18 to redo the body lettering and such, but colors less rich, and in all probability, less accurate still; i.e. not much latitude to work there.  Neat options exist if the model was in 1:25th scale, whereas the dark body color meshed to bright graphics overlaid onto the same spells trouble.  Perhaps with time I could do my own graphics on a computer, printing same off on decal stock.  This is the future, and it is not yet.  Will probably stick with the wheel finish for the near-term.  Have five shades across a spectrum, although one hasn't been applied to a wheel outright and might surprise me if I were to experiment.  Beating down cognitive dissonance tendencies then!

May experiment with finding a local pinstriper of note to see if handwork of stripe outline might be done on a 1:18th shell.  For the '67, this would open the way to refinishing the model in a darker shade - good.  Trunk panel drilled through, although opening the resultant hole out further and introducing a somewhat oblong shape to allow the lid to clear the extended inlet will take a bit of time. 

Quick question - have you ever seen a '69 model Penske Camaro fitted with finned valve covers?  I have a shot from Michael Lamm's book The Great Camaro that shows an engine on the dyno being tended to by one half of Travers and Coon depicting a cross ram-equipped 302 Chevrolet so-outfitted, but otherwise nothing.  Since it seems I've done a Riverside entry, the question sort of hovers in air.  I hope to give back in the form of posting further books and magazines - soon I hope.  Thanks and with very kind regards...

Mike K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on July 08, 2011, 08:31:19 PM
Mike, you're in luck as the wheel used by Donohue in '69 has no slots or holes in the spokes. A view of the interior can be seen here (http://gwadagone.fotki.com/trans-am-racing1966/ta68donohuecamaroin.html).
The dash is natural aluminum and so is the air duct underneath. Is the dash currently gray in your model?

Thanks to Ron Lathrop, I will have some photos from the '69 "Wolverine" Trans-Am to post in the near future. There may be some pics there that will be useful to you.

I know the Traco engine photo of which you speak. Personally, that's the only time I ever recall seeing the finned valve covers on one of their engines and that was in their shop, not installed in a car.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on July 10, 2011, 12:48:44 AM
Here's one from the '69 Wolverine Trans-Am that should be of use to you.

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Ron%20Lathrop%20photos/1969MISTrans-Am070.jpg)
Photo by Ron Lathrop
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Sixteen Grand Sedan #56 on July 10, 2011, 05:28:36 AM
I continue to admire and respect the work and attention to detail that is put into these pieces of art that you create 8).

The January 1970 Motorcade magazine shows the 69 Gregory camaro with a "Traco" 302 with the aluminum valve covers ;D.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on July 10, 2011, 05:32:00 PM
Thanks Jon again for all that you do for myself and us/thanks Robert - I'll check my scattershot assemblage of Motorcade issues!,

Painted wheels again, but coats a bit heavy - will likely have to recast wheels.  So, I have two sets to experiment with different strength stripping agents - ah, accentuate the positive!  Thanks for the awe-inspiring close-in '69 MIS photography, neat to see the weird early-'69 front flares where if I recall correctly they intended at one point to run both power steering and larger section (if not 'rear') tires up front.  '69 GMP model came through with wrong interior trim level, not sure if I should try casting '67/'68 interior panels to create clones for my latter example.  Thanks for the corrective with regards to the 'non-drilled' Grant wheel.  I removed the overscale center, replaced same with a photoetched puck with subtler detail.  Not sure if I can find small enough hardware to at least capture the center upraised thread and nut detail.  Should be able to scratchbuild fresh air duct without too much trouble off model prior to fitting - all good this.

Yes, first posted shots of my '69 featured better 'footwear'.  Color better (standard GMP), plus lugs, plus wheel weights, plus tiny sections of duct tape to 'hold' same in place, in addition to decidedly better tires.  1:18 GMP Lola T70 dry weather Goodyears - very rare these are secondhand.  A little too low of profile up front, but much improved on the back.  1:18 GMP Trans Ams a bit too square concerning sidewalls, perhaps dimensionally oversized on the front, and a bit undersized on the rear.    

GMP Trans Am tires seem to match the tread profile RWR/ARA '71 Javelin poster Goodyear 'wets', whereas at some point I'd like to master a set of tires and come up with section/sidewall profile/indented tread combination I desire.  Ford and Chapparal-specific LXX Firestones with their unusual cantilevered sidewall construction and profile too would become possible.  Period Goodyear dry Blue Streak Sports Car Specials seem possible even without a lathe or laser-etching of the pattern, but this too is the future.  Thanks so much...

Mike K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on July 12, 2011, 05:35:29 PM
You're welcome. It is my pleasure to be able to help. I think we've all got a passion for the cars here and to see you replicate them in a smaller scale with accurate details is fascinating and relatively awe inspiring. I'm particularly enjoying the fact that I'm the one making suggestions and you're the one doing all the hard work! :)

With regard to the interior panels, are they deluxe rather than standard panels in the '69 GMP model? Mine are all boxed up. Standard panels for all three years are different, to varying degrees. I'm not sure how you do all this casting of wheels, panels and/or tires. That would be a fascinating side story in itself.

P.S. Yes, power steering was used on Ron Bucknum's car at Michigan but not the larger tires (to my knowledge).
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on July 14, 2011, 02:24:20 PM
Greetings,

Conversation earlier had me ponder the efficacy of doing a Titus '69 Firebird backdated with select '68 parts.  The major thing would be to fit a wider 'beak' to the front clip, and somehow fit a '68 hood to a likely '69 shell.  Plugging the side air extractors (just trim anyhow), replacing the rocker trim and fitting a Camaro ducktail spoiler plus 302 Chevrolet power wouldn't be terribly hard - just what to do about the assumed fundamental mismatch of cobbled-together panelwork (in-period no less) across two diecast manufacturers?  

I feared that the 1:18 Yat Ming 1969 Firebird Trans Am and the 1:18 Lane 1968 Firebird tools would be about the least compatible diecast kitbash project on the planet, believing the former not very good at all, the latter, almost too good to render scrap.  Anyhow, somehow I purchased a Yat Ming '69, scrounged a Lane '68, scrounged another Lane '68 via eBay for not too much to give matters a go.  What is seen is just early work to prove it possible.  

Quite surprised to notice the Yat Ming and Lane dimensions are very close - the wider (by combining two bumpers - a weird appearance this subtle mod. affords the front of the topic) Lane '68 bumper 'stamping' blends well to the Yat Ming '69 shell, whereas shocked to discover that the hood will drop on essentially unmodified but for dreaded metalwork to cut away structure from the Yat Ming shell.  Hwy. '61 Camaro hinges would be best, a modified Hwy. '61 '69 Camaro chassis narrowed at the hip does seem quite possible, whereas an Al Bartz Chevrolet 302 would find a home within the engine bay.  Anyhow, a fun exercise as photographs suggest...

Mike K.

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/fb1_zps582e1121.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/fb1_zps582e1121.jpg.html)
...the topic, seen at the Riverside Mission Bell 250 '69.  Photo image from Car Craft magazine - thanks Jon!

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/fb2_zps9eb52add.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/fb2_zps9eb52add.jpg.html)
...still-wide extended grille (Hey! - now you know what a 'Pontiacntiac' is!), plus brief photo reference suggesting odd shape of modified front bumper.  Bumper is almost certainly fiberglass or aluminum on actual car, painted either silver or a very agreeable 'natural gas' shade of blue, while wheels are gray-painted Minilites.  Photo reference depicts topic as seen at first event of the '69 season held at MIS.

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/fb3_zps95940818.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/fb3_zps95940818.jpg.html)
...a shock for fit of all items relative to each other doesn't suck.  

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/fb4_zps0b393520.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/fb4_zps0b393520.jpg.html)
...rear bubble flares could be reused Autodynamics Challenger rear flare castings - I stopped at the half-way point prior to final shaping and saved the major work for possible use elsewhere - like here.  

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/fb5_zps5e2b37d2.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/fb5_zps5e2b37d2.jpg.html)
...last shot, major metalwork to cut out.  Grille shell needs space to exist behind bumper, whereas all one sees is stout Zamac structure to support the '69 nose.  Grille shell and grille painted black, most mods. will be rendered invisible, whereas scrap resin Minilites quickly painted here just to afford a sensation of what the finished model might look like.  Front valence is '68 Lane, whereas the lowermost extension of the '69 Yat Ming front fender has been cut off to allow the use of the former.  Thanks for reading this...

Mike K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on July 18, 2011, 02:47:10 PM
Hello,

'68/'69 Titus Firebird progress then.  Rear wheelarches ground away, resin flares of my own construction introduced.  Other minor body mods., this just a quick update. Structure behind grille now gone, hence path cleared for grille insert installation. Thanks...

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/fb6_zpse3a72f3e.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/fb6_zpse3a72f3e.jpg.html)
(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/fb7_zps67d1bb33.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/fb7_zps67d1bb33.jpg.html)

...flares will shrink, becoming more gradual, etc. Rather like cutting hair; i.e. one can't cut it longer.  I mastered the same oversized, bending the resin castings to fit the Zamac shell for immersion within a bowl of heated water, alter wheel opening contour to suit, and file the outside contour to accurately blend the same into the application. The product of a single evening, although finish work is expected to run over a period of days/weeks.  

Thanks...

Mike K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on July 18, 2011, 04:01:36 PM
Apologies - poor grammar, poor editing evident across previous post (if any effort noticed at all).  

Try this instead:  ...flares will shrink, becoming more gradual, etc. Rather like cutting hair; i.e. one can't cut it longer.  I mastered the same oversized, bending the resin castings to fit the Zamac shell for immersion within a bowl of heated water, altered the wheel opening contour to suit, and finally filed the outside contour to accurately blend the same into the application. The product of a single evening, although finish work is expected to run over a period of days/weeks. 

Thanks...

Mike K.

Flares for 1:18 explained briefly.

1. Four stacks of sheet plastic are isolated and glued together back-to-back to created what I'll term flare pucks.  They must be large enough to encompass the entire mass of the flare for extending out, but also in with regards to the body tumblehome area.  
2. A tracing is made of the extent of the bubble flare on the bodyshell, with the area to be removed filed off with a rasp (done twice or four times depending on the application).
3. A further tracing is made of the standard wheel arch contour to guide work, and/or photo reference is secured to guide efforts in this regard.
4. The pucks are trimmed and filed to fit into the shell from underneath.
5. The pucks are filed from below to create proper wheelarches with sensitivity to reproduce the wheel arch contour.  
6. Exterior contour is sanded/sculpted/shaped.
7. A resin casting is made possible for the creation of a urethane mold of the half-completed flare.  
 
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8. Given that I casted my half-complete Autodynamics Challenger flares, I didn't need to start my flares from scratch, utilizing as I've done the bulk of the work the other flares comprised.
9. Bend/trim/fit to Firebird.


Thanks...

Mike K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Bruce302 on July 23, 2011, 05:43:37 AM
That looks great Mike. Neat that the various manufacturers are close in their dimensions.
I am pretty sure that the front bumper/grill surround was fiberglass on the T/G cars.   The cars were looking their best by the time they got to Riverside.

Keep up the good work.

regards,
Bruce.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on July 25, 2011, 11:03:25 PM
Greetings,


Some visceral diecast hack and slash here. Grille surround and grille proper mated to bumper, though still need to grind away at shell to allow flush fit of entire assembly onto the bodyshell. 1:18 Hwy. 61 '69 Camaro chassis introduced and mated to 1:18 Yat Ming '69 Firebird shell. Much extra material on rockers of Hwy. 61 chassis allow this effort at repurposing to suit my needs here. Lane ten-bolt BOP (if they still had their own diffs.) rear end a finely rendered item, will be introduced here with welded-on extended fluid reservoir and electrically-powered cooler detail.

Though I very much like the interior floorpan detail on the GMP Trans Am Camaro chassis, on either it or the Hwy. 61 chassis I'm still responsible for fabricating double adjustable Koni shocks, the pair that are fitted laterally, racing front sway bar detail, a proper fuel bladder/cell housing, Watts link, differential cooler, etc., hence decided to 'do the Hwy. 61' option. Firewall filed back, feeling morbid about how much effort it will take to cut out the full rad. support and inner fender detail on the 1:18 Lane '68 Firebird to introduce onto the 1:18 Yat Ming '69 Firebird shell. A sharp eye may be able to make out that I've also fitted the interior to the Hwy. 61 chassis by cutting clearance for the driveshaft tunnel. A bit frightening to contemplate in total, but coming along. Thanks...

Mike K.


(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/fb11_zps20666d7b.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/fb11_zps20666d7b.jpg.html)
...very deft, very tight fit of Hwy. 61 '69 Camaro chassis. Note how it bobs out just behind the front wheelarches. Plugs for holes not needed to come. Much to add here.

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/fb12_zps56a36ff6.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/fb12_zps56a36ff6.jpg.html)
...firewall filed back. Anticipate adding patched '68 Lane item less brake booster, plus heater core/heater block out plate. Lane items very nicely rendered.

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/fb14_zps2cd30ad9.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/fb14_zps2cd30ad9.jpg.html)
...hood fit far better now, although know that for width, length and contour, nothing at all has been done with it.

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/fb15_zps323580e4.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/fb15_zps323580e4.jpg.html)
...grille/bumper assembly largely complete but for putty and paint. Will scuff surface of chrome with brillo pad, for tough and high-quality Lane plating (with no less than a copper coat beneath it) will not yield to normal approaches towards removal. Expect to test coat rear '68 bumper to see what might be achieved. Grille surround to be painted blue as well! Strange appearance - like some Petty Charger before Petty Charger registered as an icon in anyone's head.

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/fb16_zpsc085797f.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/fb16_zpsc085797f.jpg.html)
...nose in place, hood now flush, interior trim less driveshaft tunnel work spied.


Thanks for inspecting this post...

Mike K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on July 27, 2011, 03:31:20 AM
Thanks for your post, Mike. Impressive amount of work combining several different brand of kits to get what you want. I, for one, am happy that you are providing details of how/what you are doing in case any others out there might get the urge to do something similar.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on July 30, 2011, 05:50:46 PM
Sorry for scattered focus - some Firebird work then,

(...to help decipher matters, understand that companies identified here as Lane, Yat Ming, GMP and Hwy. 61 each produce first-gen. Firebirds and/or Camaros which have been utilized to modify diecast white metal scale model cars in the fashion of plastic kits from days of yore.  Larger (1:18 versus 1:24 or 1:25 scale), a bit more robust, they can be adapted into period SCCA Trans Am sedans.  Across this thread I'll try to share ideas and techniques, some quite simple, other aspects more advanced.  Thanks...  M.K.)

Entire cowl to nose assembly from Lane '68 Firebird to be incorporated into the Yat Ming '69 Firebird. Cut and isolated same, where using the cowl allows me to positively position the firewall and dashboard without having to scratchbuild structure. I expect to fashion a bulkhead to fit behind the firewall to firmly lock the Lane and Yat Ming pieces together, ensure torsional rigidity thereby, etc.

Front wheelhousing/splash shields to be modified Hwy 61 '69 Camaro items, upper control arms to be '67-'69 GMP Trans Am Camaro items situated to ensure perhaps four degrees of negative camber will be seen up front. Firewall shorn of heater core housing, the same awaits a plug. Thanks...

Mike K.

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/fb17_zps504156c1.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/fb17_zps504156c1.jpg.html)
(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/fb18_zps56fa6061.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/fb18_zps56fa6061.jpg.html)
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M.K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on July 31, 2011, 06:32:58 AM
Very interesting to see the details of the reconstruction, Mike. Thank you for the update. It's fascinating that so many different kits are being utilized but I understand the necessity to get the best and most appropriate pieces for what you are trying to achieve. Why is the hood now green when it was gray in the previous photos?
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on July 31, 2011, 05:27:08 PM
Greetings Jon,

There are/were two '68 Lane Firebirds used to stretch out the front bumper, one painted a period metallic green, the other black.  The green example was sourced from eBay, the other was a paint spoiled example picked up by a friend at a discount.  What was initially stripped via plastic media blasting was restricted to the hood of the black painted example, whereas I was not sure at all if I could succeed in cutting the detail from the shell of the Lane product without power tools or access to a shop where more elaborate tools could be employed for the purpose.  A simple razor saw and file work was used here on the 'spare set' of body and hood castings both, and hence little was risked concerning the rest of the model.  Had I failed to cut the shell accurately, the worst that would come of it is that there would be no web posting describing the attempt!

I've found the key towards achieving what I desire in scale is to have a surplus of spares, affording myself low-risk avenues to explore what might be possible.  If I fail in my efforts, lessons are nevertheless learned, while the integrity of the core work remains.  If I succeed, then said effort can be cleanly integrated into the core work without much ado.  Going 98% of the way on some project to risk the destruction of the same for the completion of 100% of what is contemplated isn't cool at all.  Further, actualized potential is rewarded, whereas speculative potential is a bore. 

It really does become a discipline then, with the orientation being imprinted upon one's outlook if you will.  By way of example, I have a bottle of PCB etchent used by some hobby types to remove high quality chrome/copper plate witnessed on high dollar diecast models.  Being tested as a technique in stages, I'm starting with a diluted solution on the rear bumper of one of the '68 Lane models.  This seems to be working, hence another go is scheduled with a higher strength solution on the second bumper, then finally, an effort will be made on the only thing I care about; i.e. the cobbled up front '68/'69 bumper.  Many past mistakes 'makes it so'!.  Thanks...

Mike K.

Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on July 31, 2011, 05:48:33 PM
Just a few further thoughts,

While expensive, indeed, what are identified as the 'best bits' are after a time simply reached for and integrated whenever and wherever they may be sourced.  1:18 diecast seems a dying hobby, fewer new tools are seen, while some things no one expects to merit the effort to substantially redo or afford the scale enthusiast.  Chances of being afforded a high-end 1:25th or 1:18th '68/'69 Jerry Titus Trans Am Firebird? - about zero, hence a relatively guilt-free endeavor. 

Scanning the hobby horizon for like-projects has something to do with it as well, and whereas a few high-quality '69 Sebring 'Birds have been done, and a scattering of slot cars, nothing else has been noticed on anyone's table.  There is quite a charge to be had for presenting others with the sight of some project they've contemplated reproducing in scale, who know topic intimately, but for various reasons never commited to.  Sometimes to have a project where perhaps ten or twelve photos are all I have for research stifles, but then to incorporate all that insight into a three-dimensional representation one might move about can really inspire awe.

What I know for certain is on a capital level I cannot have what I'd desire in 1:1, certainly I couldn't take matters to the level I'd desire there.  When contemplated seriously much of the research and applied passion is the same, and hence I savor what is it I can do and achieve - albeit in scale.  Thanks everyone for the sustained interest and support here...

Mike K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on August 02, 2011, 06:58:29 PM
Mike, thanks for detailing some of the thought process and method of approach that goes in to doing these scale models. I think it's worthwhile to spell that out for others contemplating modifying their own scale model. I do agree that coming up with something that hasn't already been done or been seen elsewhere would really feel satisfying and also inspire awe in those who know the effort involved to make such a project. I think there are at least several of us here that really appreciate what you are doing, me included.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Bruce302 on August 04, 2011, 09:59:25 AM
Fantastic work Mike,  I love seeing the detail that you include and the length you go to.
Truly insirational. I can't wait to see it finished.

Bruce.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on August 08, 2011, 02:09:26 PM
Again - kind and appreciative thanks for the notice afforded,  

Firebird work then.  Diecast shell plastic media blasted, Lane front bumper assembly fitted flush for very deliberate and very time consuming round file work of shell/front fenders. Front bumper stripped of chrome via the use of PCB etchant purchased from an electronics store. Grille was also plated, further requiring paint stripping and Pontiac letter identification removal before the underlying plate could be removed. Cowl area cut off completely from Yat Ming '69, expect I do to fit entire '68 Lane cowl so as to add better detail found upon it, positively site the Lane firewall and dash, etc. Headlamp 'hash' pattern sanded from each lense, paint awaited for each. Inner surface of each rear flare thinned, finish quality equal to the exterior contour. Exterior contour revealed then not to be all, for each flare must in effect serve the purpose for which it is intended. Half-round deck lid pin cutouts on rear spoiler filed in, albeit not seen here.

Tape atop fenders is used to identify specific spots across the length of the each to determine width of opening versus width of Lane casting to be inserted and blended. A vernier caliper will be used to measure seven points within and across the gap front to rear, while careful file work will be required to ensure that the fit will be as fine as I might make it. The standard Yat Ming chassis is in place complete with screws to torsionally stiffen the assembly as I file matters to the dimensions needed, this done to minimize metal fatigue. Removing stiffening members and then aggressively recontouring and reshaping the extremities of the body invites certain disaster if some rudimentary precautions are not taken. Lane inner fender/rad. support/cowl insert shorne of further material, resting quietly as it does just to the left of the mocked up body. Front valence will likely be scratchbuilt compound curves and all. Thanks for reading this post...

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Mike K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on August 10, 2011, 07:23:17 PM
Very nice, Mike! A tremendous amount of work so far (thanks for the details of what you have done) but it is starting to pay off. Are you going to dress up the car as it appeared at Riverside or some other race on the schedule?

Has anything else been happening with any of your other models or has this been the sole focus lately?
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on August 11, 2011, 07:45:48 PM
Thanks Jon,

Indeed, likely Laguna Seca or Riverside, with Lew Spenser on board and Jerry Titus looking forward to '70.  I think I'll paint the stripes right onto the model, whereas I have friends who might be persuaded to scan and blow up 1:25 markings to mate to this 1:18 project.  Again, and as always, I greatly appreciate the enthusiasm and informed insight afforded me. The '67 Camaro is receiving light attention, the '68 very little, the '69 - again, very little.

Thinking about it a bit, I believe I was so intrigued by the possibilities of the 1:18 Lane first gen. Firebird tool (much newer than their rather stodgy '67-'68 Camaro tool) that I felt the need to reach for it to ponder application of parts to the trio of Camaros.  Learning how to cast select items affords flexibility concerning discreet replication of select aspects of the overall tool, and hence I 'needed to know'.  What eventually occurred was that the project metastasized into a backdated '68/'69 Firebird project, for too soon I was pondering if that chromed prow would fit on the front of a 1:18 Yat Ming '69 Trans Am...

Below is a brief update of the '67 Penske Camaro, bearing the Miasto '68 Z/28 ducktail spoiler (to be cast with extended lip blended in), the Aussie-sourced 'solid' decklid now with an initial hole drilled through it (to be oblong in shape heading both forward and back), etc.  I expect to fashion a fuel inlet from plastic stock, am pondering the fabrication of a slam shut cap w/hinge, and further expect to cast the GMP fuel cell and pumps to reuse just the pumps for this application.  Seen in the photo is a second 1:18 Hwy. 61 '69 Camaro fuel tank, which will be reshaped to install and mate with the inlet in the rough style of a Shelby GT-350R Mustang.  Rereading Donohue's and Van Valkenburgh's The Unfair Advantage, and hence might devise a means to 'foam in' the tank.  Battery clearly missing, cage incomplete.  Pulleys and alternator from 1:18 Ertl '67 Z/28, 1:18 Lane '68 Firebird radiator (upright of course) to be further fitted.  Sheet plastic overlays will disguise curious rear subframe 'channels'.  Just a test chassis, hence no black paint or coherent detail as contrasted to other photo images afforded.  Much thanks...

Mike K.

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Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on August 13, 2011, 04:43:08 PM
Greetings,

Something for the 1969 Penske Camaro then.  I had replaced the standard GMP headlamp inserts some time back with flush fit block out plates painted a fluorescent orange/red, but regretted that the domed appearance of the actual mid to late-season part wasn't captured.  What is seen below (if for my fuzzy photo images the detail might be seen at all) is my first attempt with flat plates, and my subsequent effort to lend dimension to new plates fabricated from thick plastic sheet stock.  

A measurement was taken of the headlamp cover I'd fabbed, a round stencil set was employed to trace a suitably-sized circle (two actually) onto said sheet stock, then each raw cover was mounted onto the end of a length of rod stock.  Not having a lathe, I combined the use of an oversized emery board with dexterous spinning of each plastic rod extension capped with a raw cover in my palm to fashion what was needed.  


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...before, with flat covers.

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...after, with domed covers.

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...sorry, difficult to make out they are.



Thanks...

Mike K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on August 15, 2011, 06:18:00 PM
Thanks for the update. Interesting insight into the thinking concerning the Firebird project. I appreciate seeing some of what you're working on with the '67 too. Looks like a lot of things coming together at one time but it is clear that "the wheels are turning" regarding planning ahead.

As for the '69 car, it's looking good. I wanted to bring to your attention that the removal of the headlights and covering the hole with a flat plate did not begin until the 1970 season. Hence, the stock headlights were still in the '69 cars but covered with sticky-back vinyl or tape.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on August 15, 2011, 06:58:44 PM
Greetings Jon (and great thanks for posting the new Ron Lathrop '69 Mid-Ohio images),

Yes, moving along by degrees across projects - thanks for your kind words.  I tried to do the late-season covers on the '69, whereas early season (including the Mid-Ohio images) witness the headlamps in place and taped.  I think we both have the Riverside Mission Bell 250 poster with the terribly muddy (literally speaking) '69 Donohue Camaro at MIS, and again, taped standard headlamps are seen.  Pressing further into the season, my Car Life issues depicting the Penske team Camaros at Sears Point and Riverside feature more prominent cover or plates.  I think the diameter of the same grew, but perhaps the fluorescent paint (or yellow paint dependent of course on who's ride I'm gazing at) distorts my perception of what is there?

I wonder if they left the headlamp assemblies in place and just overlaid everything with the covers/plates towards the end of the '69 season? Do you imagine the assemblies contain actual glass lenses behind what appears in some instances to be a surface covered with tape, and at other times covered in a coat of paint?  As for the Penske Camaros, what was fitted seemed to grow in diameter and push out further as the season progressed.  I presume some mild aerodynamic advantage was secured thus...

Both factory-backed Mustang teams, both RKE Javelins and the T/G Firebirds seemed to run taped standard headlamps right to the final 1969-season race at Riverside, whereas reviewing photographs in my Friedman Trans Am photo volume depicts independently entered Camaros running with taped headlamps versus the Penske Camaros fitted with the more prominent covers or plates.  I agree that it seems odd that removal and replacement of the same with covers could occur mid-season with a rule change suggested by so tangible a difference.  Strange not to have read specific mention of the same within race reports, but maybe there was a protest to them that was dismissed leading towards a better articulated rules revision heading into '70?  Thanks again...

Mike K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on August 16, 2011, 03:39:20 AM
Mike, you are right. There are larger covers at the end of the season and I was just forgetting that detail. There are supposed to be headlights installed and whether there are (or are not) any behind those covers is anybody's guess. Penske might have gotten away with one. Of course, according to the rule book there were supposed to be windshield wipers on the cars also but depending on the race or car, many times the wipers are not installed. If you got by tech and nobody cared enough to protest, you got away with it. As examples, other cars that used covers over the headlights are Freddie Van Beuren's Mustang at Sebring in '67, Shelby's '68 Mustangs and Bob Grossman's '69 Camaro at Daytona (last one not T/A though).

Penske was never bashful about trying to improve aerodynamics. Witness the trimmed roof drip rail on the #15 car at Sebring in '68, the vertical windshield wipers, the occasionally taped-over windshield chrome, cheater spoilers, etc. The headlight covers could be included in that group.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on August 18, 2011, 06:50:21 PM
Greetings,

Modest material progress, but more supplies and further options then.  Front valence panel from 1:18 Lane '68 Firebird far from an effortless swap onto the 1:18 Yat Ming '69 Trans Am tool, and even for having an option to splice two, this isn't the route I desire to take.  What is seen here is a 1:18 Ertl Authentics '67 Z/28, whereas the valence panel is far closer to what is desired dimensionally, whereas cutting same from 1:18 GMP '67-'68 Trans Am Camaro would be cost prohibitive.  I delayed final fitting of the Lane inner panelwork until I could solve the front valence issue, and if I can pin the entire assembly together (i.e. fenders and front valence panel), then the resultant assembly will be that much stiffer to accommodate the metal work.  Two-part adhesives or perhaps JB weld will be used to bond the panelwork less pins.  I hope to fabricate ductwork/fresh air dams as visible behind the valence in a image culled from the Wolverine Trans Am photo collection/reportage thread - thanks Jon!  Faux front side marker aluminum fill panels to be fabbed and overlaid, too-conservative initial cut lines inked onto Camaro shell to be lowered - ah, the utility of a digital camera is further proven to me again!

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...valence-less '69 Yat Ming Firebird Trans Am

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...(another scale victim) valence to be fitted, surrounded by unwanted '67 Ertl Authentics Camaro panelwork.


M.K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on August 18, 2011, 07:02:54 PM
A side project relating to the spread of scale SCCA Trans Am replicas,

The pursuit (or rather fabrication) of the best 1:18 Goodyear Blue Streak Sports Car Special that might be had.  Seen are images from the '69 Mid-Ohio thread (thanks Jon!), a slate of 1:18 tire options, and a slate of 1:24/1:25 tire options.  Combining shoulder design/bulge/section size to thread width and design (if applicable), the aim is to cast all of the 1:18 options in hard resin, experiment with abandon, and then cast in more pliable and black-tinted resin. Tread may be hand etched for no scale 'dries' exist.  The 1:24/1:25 tire options include sidewall lettering that may be cut out and introduced into molds for the larger scale tires.  These include 'FOR RACING USE ONLY', 'BLUE STREAK SPORTS CAR SPECIAL', and size identification.  GMP 'footwear' not terrible, but a bit square of shoulder (contrasted to center top option especially), a bit narrow in back, a bit tall of section in front.  Top photocopy image from Goodyear illustrating contemporary vintage racing tire range and tread designs on offer.  Thanks.  

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'67 GMP Camaro image revealing '67-'68 alternator placement, an upright '68 Lane standard radiator (fortuitously staying upright here), breathers and oil fill cap off and awaiting casting so that clones can be substituted, painted, and finally fitted.  Very little is painted here, hence pulleys black and bare.  Thanks...

M.K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on August 19, 2011, 10:00:05 PM
Thanks for the further update, Mike. That front valence work looks tricky and complicated but I'm sure you'll work your way through it. That's terrific that you are finding the tire pictures (and others) from the Mid-Ohio and Wolverine Trans-Ams being very beneficial to your efforts. Really cool that you will be able to recreate the smallest details such as the "For Racing Use Only" writing and also cast them in pliable black resin.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on August 20, 2011, 05:24:03 PM
Greetings,

As spoken of across a previous post, the front valence of 1:18 Lane '68 Firebird is not a straight swap onto 1:18 Yat Ming '69 Firebird, hence another option had to be identified.  Seen is the 1:18 Ertl Authentics '67 Camaro Z/28 valence laboriously cut free of the mundane host shell and repurposed to suit.  Not quite done - surely a bit thick top to bottom, although dimensionally it isn't terrible.  Pleased that I still have ten digits to type with for very thick was the casting and great effort the cutting did require.  Panel lines that are undesired will vanish beneath a skim coat of putty, whereas when all is coated with paint no one will suspect the labor involved to achieve was is seen here.  Quaint faux front indicator overlays to come...

I expect to remove material from the top of the valence, pull it back, and trim material from the front wheelarch contour on either side of the casting.  I may also remove material from the bottom, and given how thick and robust this element is, more than a bit of latitude is afforded to get it right.  The last image shows the valence upside down and bearing ink marks illustrating further material slated to be filed away.  Thanks...

Mike K.  

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...head on, hardly a thing of beauty, but about what is needed.

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/6f_zps514bf9e8.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/6f_zps514bf9e8.jpg.html)
(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/6g_zpsbc9bbb22.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/6g_zpsbc9bbb22.jpg.html)
...a bit thick yet, ready to break pack ice with that prow.  Artic expedition anyone?

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/6h_zps1fd484af.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/6h_zps1fd484af.jpg.html)
...valence again, this time upside down.  Note how valence openings require extension and open up fully to the top, this detail seen in the period photo, and marked in anticipation of further filing upon the still-painted casting.  The factory finish serves as a guide coat, hence no rush to strip same.  Thanks for inspecting this post...

M.K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Bruce302 on August 21, 2011, 06:35:28 AM
Nice progress Mike, The front is looking very close to the real thing, The indicator overlays did look crude on the real car, but they did the trick at minimal cost.

Bruce.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on August 22, 2011, 04:12:37 PM
Nice progress Mike, The front is looking very close to the real thing, The indicator overlays did look crude on the real car, but they did the trick at minimal cost.

Bruce.

Hi Bruce,

Fears for the indicator overlays registered here for I can already envision what people will zero in on if the model should be displayed at a show.  They'll be oblivious to all the cleanly integrated work concerning the hood, cowl, rockers, flares, etc. for most of the tooling the model is based upon isn't anything they are familiar with.  What they will likely comment upon are '...those grotty indicator overlays where it seems he just gave up!'.  I has happened before; i.e. what a stack of reference I might compile is defeated by 'what they know'.  UGH!  Thanks and kind regards...

Mike K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on August 22, 2011, 11:28:57 PM
Mike, definitely some more trimming and shaping to do with that piece but something very useable to start with. I suppose you and Bruce may be right about how the overlays will be received by others.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Bruce302 on August 23, 2011, 10:57:18 AM
That is always the issue with models that are absolutely correct, and the same is true for full size restorations. We have all seen properly restored race cars that have their quirks and stranged facets, but it is those details that make them correct. i'd rather have them "right" and perhaps questions, than the way people expect. Juat as long as the facts and pics can back up the restoration.

More great work Mike. Keep it up.

Bruce.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on August 23, 2011, 01:21:40 PM
Greetings,

Heavy filing of front valence openings, shape of each now far better.  Thanks for the continued kind interest and informed feedback.

Mike K.

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...before

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/6k_zps2e8d2f7e.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/6k_zps2e8d2f7e.jpg.html)
...after

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/6L_zps204b2a51.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/6L_zps204b2a51.jpg.html)
...some work to be done still to disguise a casting as a stamping; i.e. thinning visible thickness of the valence, determine utility of using use of exposed metal surfaces remaining to simulate radiator and oil cooler fresh air dams, etc.  The plastic grille surround here is wearing a coat of silver paint, whereas in the early '69 season photo seen below, it is painted black.  Envision the same painted semigloss black or late-season aqua and the final appearance of the total assembly is better conceptualized.

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/6m_zps6316b66f.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/6m_zps6316b66f.jpg.html)
...a reference photo prior to later grille work undertaken.  The need for some material removal along the bottom of the valence is detected here, whereas the entire assembly still needs to be raised a bit.  Shape of openings need tweaking too!  Indicator overlays likely a weekend project.

Thanks...

M.K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on August 23, 2011, 05:56:51 PM
Looking much better, Mike. You have a complete grasp of what needs to be done, based on your comments. I'm really looking forward to more progress on this car.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on September 02, 2011, 03:15:57 PM
Greetings,

Seemingly modest stuff, but labor-intensive and hence reportable.  '69 Yat Ming shell filed out to allow use of '68 Lane cowl, channels used to positively situate hood in place for both bottom surface and side to side placement of the panel, and reuse of Lane underhood fender detail stretching atop each wheel arch liner.  Chassis '69 Hwy. 61 Camaro, as are the aforementioned wheel arch liner (or whatever these things are called!) which feature strengthening ribs that I judged worth saving. The Lane firewall is held in place with a machine screw that holds it fast to the bottom of the cowl, and this too can be seen.  Heater core assembly has been cut out, the resultant hole is awaiting a plug.

Work to come to play with final shape, rib configuration, and rollcage extensions stretching in and across from interior.  Pockets for upper control arms (likely GMP Trans Am Camaro) to come - gee, a model with visible caster so far as how the aforementioned will be sited!  

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...the general direction I wish to go then.

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...the cowl, hood mount 'channels', and radiator support in place.  Note plugs for side view mirror on door castings, plugs in holes for standard Yat Ming exterior door latch assemblies.  The later will be drilled again, facilitating the use of far better Lane '68 Firebird items.

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...top view, no glue yet, likely JB Weld used to fix in place with brass pins or rods to positively site. Will have to pull back cowl a bit, shorten hood at the front a bit as well to disguise modest dimensional difference seen here.  Generally encouraged for this constitutes the nastiest aspect of the bodywork filing, and now slightly nearer to completion it is.  So easy it is to stack parts, but so difficult to DO something with those parts!  Bare of radiator, braces to each fender and other bits, hard it is to fully assess what detail has been 'fought for' here. The Lane underhood parts for their rendition of the '68 Firebird are fine, whereas the core items seen here aren't particularly glamorous to contemplate.  

Thanks for examining this post.

Mike K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on September 03, 2011, 05:32:02 AM
Thanks once again for the update, Mike. Lots of little details have been done. I wonder why they cast a big divot into the rear/upper part of the front fenderwell like that. Are you going to leave well enough alone there? I suppose it would be quite a bit of work to make it reflect what the original contour was.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on September 03, 2011, 04:45:39 PM
Greetings Jon,

Thanks for your kind attention.  Indeed, imperfect shapes to work with, but something of a start.  Both unassembled plastic and preassembled and prefinished diecast evidence no end of engineering 'cheats' to allow for ease of production and/or the inclusion of working features not always sympathetic to the calm and accurate reproduction of other detail.  Worse sins are hidden underneath, for the subframe rails in the back of the model are not quite where they should be relative to the travel of the axle up and down.  

Back to the matter at hand, the blunted shape/recesses witnessed to the rear of the wheel arch liners I believe are there to allow the stowage of oversized scissor hinges.  Golly gee - scissor hinges! - or so says the typical buyer.  The liners have already been hacked down a bit, whereas I'll endeavor to restore the shape now missing towards the back of each.  No, I'm not sure about which hood hinge design to employ here across a range of manufacture options.  As implied by the photo reference, further work is needed to hack out the upper control arm recesses, whereas I doubt the rubber weather guards were bothered with by T-G.  The exact pattern of strengthening ribs can be played with too - sanding off some, extending others, and filling in what requires disguise.  

It will be nice to add the underhood roll cage extensions, with the same seen across period photos and not terribly hard to fabricate given their simple shape.  The control arms are being cleaned up in anticipation of casting copies, whereas the mounting platforms for the same extending off the top of the subframe will be better controlled for shape versus the combined 'cast as a piece' GMP effort.  Perhaps some threaded shock absorber top mount detail with a nut will be added for good measure.  Sway bar mounts/links/bar seem akin to what Penske employed, whereas strange to report that while all GMP Trans Am Camaros have rear bars, none feature a front!  

Scary in total for I can see the project extending out three years simply for proceeding ahead and facing new challenges/problems as they arise and/or come into view.  Still, it's intriguing and at least I have a talent for it.  Kind regards...

Mike K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on September 05, 2011, 04:16:48 PM
Ah, I hadn't thought of those recessed areas as being something needed for hinges. Typically they're a pretty simplistic affair and don't have real scissor action.

I realized there was a significant amount of work to still do but 3 years???  :o  I admire your dedication. I never caught the fact that there is no sway bar of any kind
on the front of the GMP models. Pretty silly, especially when they have bothered to install a rear one.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on September 06, 2011, 03:57:06 PM
Greetings Jon,

I hope I can wrap matters up sooner, but noticing that the Autodynamics Challenger has/had consumed about a year sans rollcage and anything substantial to the chassis - this all less paint and finish work prompts me to reflect.  I purchased a copy of model car magazine wherein a fellow scratchbuilt a 1:12 sprint car in brass, aluminum, and plastic resin.  His project took five years, and this with complete research at his disposal (access to the car, blueprints in all likelihood, etc.), a larger scale to work upon, far more experience with scratchbuilding methods, etc.  Given that I'm learning as I go, haven't the store of techniques to draw upon, and move at a proverbial snails pace, perhaps the long view is the necessary one to take.  The lifestyle equivalent of blunt force trauma in the form of MA/terminal Ph.D. academic study will cut into time that might be dedicated to the project(s) as well, and yet little updates confirm to myself that very involved projects can indeed be seen to completion, and this is something.

Though this post is sans a photo image, a small burst of activity across the weekend.  Thank you very much for finding and posting the July '69 Motor Trend buildup article - your efforts are much appreciated.  Somehow I had traded away the bulk of my period Motor Trend collection (perhaps frustrated for what seemed multiple 'press kit' road tests of preproduction cars situated on manufacture proving grounds, the seeming absence of criticism woven through the same, etc.), and yet lost track of a few good things found across those issues.  The 'New Zealand connection' was contacted concerning the vaguely remembered article, and some short time ago he scanned and sent it across to me.  It could so easily have been otherwise, hence great thanks for your care and attention.  I'll try to create a small bibliography of research found across sources to add to the Firebird thread to help all who visit it.  Again, my great thanks...  

Mike K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on September 06, 2011, 11:39:53 PM
Greetings,

Looking towards the chassis, work underway.  Rear wheelarches removed, subframe rails resurfaced in anticipation of introducing Yat Ming arches as required by the need for clearance and ride height.  Fuel cell housing added, this a cast GMP Camaro Trans Am item (the top half then) clayed up and cast without visible refueling detail - I may add mounting straps.  Machine screw attachment points plugged with round plastic stock, semicircular for the reshaped front mounts reflecting clearance requirements of the new front valence, and simple solid plugs headed back across the chassis.  Hwy. 61 identification sanded off each respective rocker panel, each now smooth.  GMP Camaro Trans Am rear sway bar rests in position, although this may be redone from scratch.  Front sway bar and associated mounts seen, but an early attempt and surely not thick enough.  'Stamped steel' valve covers (sans fins) cast and seen, as are dual Holley Dominators as run at Mid-Ohio, while a GMP cross ram with carbs. is also being prepared.  It is my practice to mock up everything so that I might afford myself build options right to the end.  The 10 bolt differential from the Lane Firebird is in position, and bears an extended sump welded to the back of the actual stamped diff. cover.  Lastly, a plug is fitted beneath the front crossmember, with the standard sway bar removed in lieu of fashioning an upgrade.  Thanks for inspecting this post.

Mike K.


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...modest but necessary work then.

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...for those who might evidence interest, the Hot Wheels (1:64th scale) '71 Penske Donohue Javelin surfaced.  There is said to be a '69 Penske Donohue Camaro out there too judging from the back of the package, but I've not seen it and am not sure if it was released.  A few motorsports titles from the hallowed home library are seen as well. Thanks...

M.K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on September 08, 2011, 12:28:55 PM
Mike, I will post more Firebird articles on the Titus cars as time allows. I suspect you may have them but others more likely do not and would get some useful insight by looking them over. Interesting that the rear frame is so poor and inaccurate on the Hwy 61 piece that you're having to go to the trouble to section in something from the Yat Ming version. It makes me want to go track one down to see how badly they botched the job. I see the Hwy 61 chassis uses the Turbo 400 automatic transmission crossmember. Are you able to source the correct crossmember from one of your other kits? I like that you are building enough extra parts and pieces to allow yourself some options right up to the end. I think that's a good idea.

Somewhere, I've got a two-car scale model package of the '69 Mark Donohue Camaro and the '70 Parnelli Jones Mustang that may or may not be Hot Wheels. I forget, as I have not looked them over in quite awhile. Looking at your 1/64 '71 Javelin on the shelf, my thought was that my two cars looked like they could be part of that line of cars as I do believe two other cars were available --- a Javelin and a Challenger. However, I never did purchase those two.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on September 08, 2011, 03:30:16 PM
Greetings Jon,

Seen across both the Hwy. 61 Chrysler Corp. E-bodies as well as the first gen. Camaros they've thus far done, one notices that certain liberties are taken with the dimensions of chassis members to allow for a better scale appearance topside.  Given that thick white metal/Zamac castings are used for the body, and relatively inexpensive plastics used for the chassis, etc., the dimensions of some aspects of these models (and others surely) are 'pushed around' given that nothing is thin stamping.  My photo image disguised the problem of the entire trunk area topside detail design spec. effectively shoving the rear subframe rails forward into the bodyshell proper.  

In short, if the buyer wants a trunk that looks like a proper sized and shaped trunk, chassis details will be moved around for the detail seen there isn't the mirror image of a stamping.  Viewed from the side, matters appear very strange for axle travel isn't allowed for, whereas the Yat Ming wheel arches are being introduced only to allow the fitting of the larger tires meshed to my need to reduce ride height in the back.  I very much appreciate the help with the research and cherish the comradeship.  The HW range also includes a '70 season Parnelli Jones Mustang BOSS 302 as well as a Geo. Follmer '70 Mustang BOSS 302 with white wheels suggesting a fleeting '71 season spec. model. Thanks, and more to come across threads...

Mike K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on September 10, 2011, 04:59:26 AM
I was aware that you were wanting to replicate the things inside the trunk but somehow it did not register how the topside of a particular chassis is not typically seen. Thus, it is poorly defined or just plain inaccurate. You've got your work cut out for you!

I did find my 2-car Hot Wheels Trans-Am pack. Pony Wars was the name of the series, which I assume they no longer make.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on September 13, 2011, 03:08:15 PM
Greetings,

Brief update.  Heater core plug fashioned and fitted, cast-in 'stamped' hood latch assembly cut from radiator support, pockets cut out of each respective wheel arch to accommodate 1:18 GMP Trans Am Camaro-sourced upper control arms.  Silver sharpie marker used to guide work, hence odd silver flashes seen on parts.  Control arms very raw and still bearing GMP paint, whereas scratchbuilt mounts are to come.  Front bumper broken apart again, adjusted for fit and narrowed again - better integrated it is certainly.  Spare front bumper now to be modified to determine the efficacy of adding the charter line detail coming forward from the '69 fenders.  It seems even as they backdated the cars, that an unusual effort was made to cleanly integrate one-off (or should I say six?) styling details.  Further, viewed from some angles, it does seem that the front indicator outlays used on this topic mate to the bottom profile of the enlarged front valence cutouts, especially as they dip deeper towards the centerline of the part.  Thanks Bruce 302 for posting the rear caliper mount and Watts link detail for I'm heading there next in all likelihood.  Warm regards to the board...

Mike K.

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Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on September 15, 2011, 03:21:34 AM
It's coming along nicely, Mike. Very good progress and the bumper does seem to be better. I'm looking forward to your work on the rear suspension. No doubt some challenges await you there...
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on October 02, 2011, 05:21:38 PM
Greetings,

Revised front valence opening shape, with each dipping a bit lower toward the center of the panel.  Initial engine mock up in place, consisting of a 1:18 GMP Camaro Trans Am longblock and all the cloned castings I could make in anticipation of using the same across other projects (i.e.; I can now cast the center float Holley carburetors, the intake, the 'pressed steel' plain valve covers as before, etc.).  '67-'68 alternator placement seen, drive belt and accessory drive is from a 1:18 '67 Ertl Authentics Camaro, whereas alternator is a 1:18 GMP '69 Camaro item.  GMP headers are in place, while the firewall, 1:18 Lane '68 Firebird hood/inner fender overlap and cowl proper have been adjusted for fit and now are nearly flush.  Hood trimmed a bit up front adjusting for a bit of overlap atop bumper - note how it shines.  Awful toy-like windshield and very thick A-pillars are prompting me to consider a thinning of the latter so that a replacement GMP front screen could be substituted.  New cast '69 Minilites are seen, while two are out of sight and apart from the model.  

Al Bartz breather configuration about right, and now a bit shorter and cleaner for having worked on them since these photos were taken.  Will fit distinct Bartz oil fill cap on a single bank as engine photo thread reveals ARA Camaro/Bartz-powered '69 entry so fitted - now I just have to make one.  New intake being made, for homologation papers suggest that a Edelbrock SRT (designated a Street Tunnel Ram although appearing very much a cross ram) was employed (as does aforementioned ARA Camaro image) for the '69 season.  Differences include a repositioned water/thermostat situated flat, a 'solid' plenum top lacking much detail but for bolts and bosses, and a repositioned oil fill tube/breather tube.  Front subframe rail work to come involving the removal of the bland Hwy. 61 upper control arms, the fabrication of tops to said subframe rails, and eventual fabrication of the stiffening semi-space frame tubes off of the roll cage sprouting from the firewall heading forward.  All feedback is hugely appreciated.  Thanks and good will to the community.

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Mike K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on October 04, 2011, 12:32:05 PM
Mike, the car is looking like a more complete animal with the engine mounted in there like that. Really coming along nicely. It makes my head spin just hearing all of the various pieces which you are bringing together from the different kits, but I'm glad you are detailing which ones you are electing to use. I had not previously noticed how thick the A pillars were on this model and I think you're right that some slimming of those would go a long way toward improving the looks. I think some trimming needs to be done along the front of the radiator core support (upper leading edge) also, right? It generally looks pretty good up there except for that easily attended to detail. I see you have started work on the rear axle by removing the axle tubes. I'm looking forward to seeing that part of the car (rear suspension and axle) come together. It will be a challenge but there is no doubt you will be able to pull it off. Thanks for your update!
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on October 05, 2011, 09:51:09 PM
Greetings Jon,

Thanks for your very prompt and illuminating upload of the different period cross ram intakes.  I wasn't sure if the material below the water inlet neck curved inward towards the base of the intake, whereas the photo provided clearly confirms that the shape is solid to the base of the casting.  I had fairly good material to go by - but clearly not the best!  The subtle curves noticed as part of the shape of the plenum cover weren't readily discerned either from my material, and hence something else to include.  The finished item will thus be far richer in detail for your contributions.  My thanks again.

I'm thinking at this point that aluminum or brass tube filled with two-part epoxy will be the way to go with regards to axle tubes and spindles, for very fearful I am of making things too 'light duty' and hence needlessly delicate.  Brass wire or perhaps piano wire will be fed through the epoxy, and hence all combined elements should be stiff enough not to break apart for repeated handlings.  I will more carefully examine the rad. support shape relation to the hood opening and such.  It does seem a bit exaggerated, and hence in need of subtle reshaping.  

I think I'll cast the front valence to reproduce the same in resin, dimensionally make up the modest difference in width for the sides relative to the Yat Ming shelll via the addition of clay for so doing, and further allow myself greater freedom to remove material from inside it to better suggest a stamping.  It's odd how utility is manifest in relation to casting parts for hacking and slashing resin is far easier then attacking white metal castings.  In short: Want a shape to 'grow' and allow latitude to reshape it to a desired contour? - apply clay to a master prior to casting.  Want to be afforded multiple tries in relation to a labor-intensive project? - form a urethane mold to 'freeze' progress made up to a particular point, and then cast two or three examples before proceeding.  Little wonder my progress is so measured...

The Hwy. 61 alternator and drive has been cast so as to equip the '67 Penske Camaro with that which it needs.  The 'new' GMP center float Holley mold allows me latitude to fit a clone tightly to the scratchbuilt plenum chamber and single 4BBL air cleaner housing from before, whereas the 'new' oil breathers allow me latitude to outfit my '68 Camaro with the three that it requires in turn.  As spares supplies dwindle, it strikes me as imperative to plan ahead to the extent of copying and modifying the best.  For total conversions in the form of the '69 Titus car, there really seems no other economic way, whereas if I consider other projects in the same vein, then matters such as tires, etc. must be contemplated for cottage industry production. Thanks so much...

Mike K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on October 11, 2011, 03:24:02 AM
Mike,

I'm very glad those manifold photos were beneficial to you and your project. That's part of what this is all about. Let me know if you need photos of some other specific things that may be helpful to your efforts. I'm not guaranteeing I will have them but you never know, I just might. If I don't, maybe a appropriate photo can be sourced from another visitor to this forum.

That is a good idea regarding using metal pieces for parts of the rear axle assembly. As for the radiator core support, there should be a gentle arching of the metal along the upper/middle part of the piece and the edge that is folded over toward the front should also be arched to mimic that. Generally, I think the top/forward part of the core support is too thick but check it out for yourself against pictures of an original piece and judge for yourself. Sometimes a photo is not the same as looking at something in person.

I do appreciate hearing about how you cast pieces to have as extras and to use for trial and error. It sure is more complicated than any model I ever worked on, but it is fascinating.

-Jon
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on November 12, 2011, 03:26:03 PM
Greetings and apologies for my silence,

Mostly wrapped up in school and stressing about post-grad. educational options, whereas a certain spare 1:18 Lane '68 Pontiac 400 Ram Air II engine and a half-finished wheel/tire conversion dating from three years ago proved too much a temptation across recent weeks.  Yes, nice homologation specials are collected and converted too.  The full-on racers become all-consuming and shut other life out, hence a limited thing whilst facing school challenges.  Thanks Jon for adding so many nice T-G articles in recent times - they are very much appreciated as is all else you do and all that others contribute.  

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A very old project here, with wheels and tires forming the centerpoint of what was attempted no less then three years ago.  Other projects quiet, whereas brief stab to simply added wheels and tires to this project predictably led to more work.  Crying out for foil and markings, but otherwise happy and presentable.  Wished to wait until complete before posting, but require a feedback fillup to steady myself.  Thanks for examining this post...

Mike K.

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Wheels and tires: Hwy 61 Goodyear Polyglas GT in the F60-15 size mated to modified GMP Rally II wheels.  The GMP wheels have been trimmed of their outer trim ring, whereas the stock issue outer rims/lips from the ancient 1:18th ERTL '70 1/2 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am issue were cut free from the standard and uninspired Rally II's and reused here.  Tamiya Mica Silver seems the closest match, whereas the wheel center caps were washed out with paint thinner before Tamiya transluscent red was applied/pooled to finish matters.  If nothing else, here we have very nice '70 1/2 footwear and accidental accuracy given that the first year second generation Trans Ams did indeed make use of a 14 center wheel stamping with the welded-on rim stampings proper making up the dimensions to afford the buyer a 15 inch wheel.  Like most diecast model car wheels, they are pretty much zero offset and hence mated up to the standard wheel backs without huge difficulty.  Front ride height reduced a bit, whereas that strange tendency to have the rear axle of these Firebirds oriented too far forward relative to the driver's side wheelhousing has here been corrected.  Track just a touch wide, and will be taken in a bit prior to final assembly.  

Shell:  Grille surrounds painted silver - masked grille mesh proper with an inset panel and simply taped off top borders to preserve chrome plate.  SD-455 specific underhood braces cut clear off - not hard and touched in with care.  Front filler panel and cowl area painted semigloss black - Tamiya tape employed as well as a Silly Putty mask around the cowl area - great stuff it is to mask difficult areas in-situ.  Strange extension of rubber seal seen on base of forward edge of C-pillar filed back to a contour resembling what is normal, whereas all cast-in rubber trim painted black in anticipation of applying foil.  I hate applying foil, suffer nightmares from past experiences, and yet it is so needed here.  Oversized TRANS AM markings deemed correct for '73 and later, will likely be replaced with early Monogram kit release of '70 1/2 Trans Am.  Later releases not licensed as Trans Ams, hence only Firebirds sans T/A markings - go figure.  

Photo-etched lock cylinders to come - easy to add and they afford a bit of substance to something otherwise undifferentiated concerning media seen.  Top of glass 'soft masked' before applying sun screen band (using a coil of Silly Putty and artfully applying paint in an indirect manner so that the tint would 'dust' underneath the extremities of the seal), whereas a 1:18th ERTL '70 1/2 Camaro Z/28 has afforded this model an inside rear view mirror.  Exterior door handles are standard 1:18 Welly '72 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am items and represent a huge improvement.  Interior bucket half '73, half '70 1/2 with manual trans forward floor mated to '70 seats and upholstrey patterns. Testor's Lacquer GM Nassau Blue in an aerosol can splendid match for interior and comes with my recommendations.  Shot on a muggy day and the results really impressed - perhaps the finish may have been too glossy if shot under 'ideal' circumstances?  Huge door doglegs painted same Nassau Blue to disguise awfulness.  Cowl vents blackwashed.  Coming along then...

Chassis:  Really quite unenthralling but for paint.  Spare 1:18 Lane Pontiac Ram Air II '68 Firebird powerplant installed here, mysteriously transformed into a fair '70 Ram Air III - proof that expensive spares in my care eventually find life beyond the grave.  Less than amazing Lane carburetor replaced with a quite fair 1:18th Hwy. 61 '69 Chevrolet Camaro (350 powered) GM Quadrajet.  Welly shaker with seal substituted, filter housing/base with two snorkels to come.  Have to cast spare snorkel and not at all looking forward to it.  Water pump and accessory drives refinished in Pontiac Aqua or semigloss black for the assemblies come through from Lane painted silver.  Fan shroud cut to remove overflow/sealed coolant system tank ala later Firebirds/SD-455, etc.  Master cylinder from 1:18th ERTL '70 1/2 Camaro Z/28 soon to be added, anticipate doing little more short of adding a battery - likely from a 1:18th Ertl Authentics '67 Impala SS with proper clamps.  Exhaust outlets sanded and reshaped, whereas centers drilled out and flat black paint applied inside.  

M.K.

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...fuzzy and not ideal, but nevertheless fairly good.

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...as if there were any doubt as to what the project is.  This 1:1 example seems to wear black PMD center wheel caps, but early press examples did wear the '69 and earlier caps, so no foul declared.


M.K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Bruce302 on November 13, 2011, 12:19:46 AM
Mike,

You are incredible. The level of detail is astounding, I would be very happy with a model half as good as you intend, but that is more a reflection of my standards I guess.

The 70 1/2 Titus cars were sometimes ugly, sometimes very good looking, but they deserve their place in the history of the series. I have an Ertle 1/18 that has been begging for the Titus treatment for a very long time.
I can't wait to see your progress, but please keep the momentum going on the 68 ized 69 T/G car.

Bruce.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on November 13, 2011, 06:20:17 PM
Mike,

The car is just stunning, even if you say it is not completely done. Yes, the rear track could probably stand to come in a wee bit but I see very few nits to pick. Really nice work! Thanks for sharing that with us.

-Jon

Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on November 20, 2011, 08:16:11 PM
Thanks again for the kind feedback, the kind notice.

I'll be leaving this project soon, with perhaps only the master cylinder and battery to be added past this point.  Here I've finally added foil, have sourced and applied much smaller Fred Cady Decals 'TRANS AM' fender call-outs, and have generally pulled the project together (GASP!).  A '70 T-G racer will have to wait, although I'd like to do a Laguna Seca entry sans spoilers with aqua painted Minilites (seemingly only at this venue) when it might be possible.  I've seen the shell of this same tool modified to the extent that the front and rear spoilers have been removed, whereas the fiberglass aero-aids fitted just before each wheel arch can be heated and bent inward to better replicate a standard Firebird profile.  Quite a bit of fine 'white' metal work is suggested for this route, but all the same, something to contemplate.  Again, I greatly appreciate the warm comradery evident here, the considerable kindness that has been afforded to me time and again.  

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...hard to see, but the need to paint on the window seals/channel gap atop each door required that foil be cut twice so that from the inside surface a transition is seen between what is respectively black-chrome-body color.  No fun this!

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Like-work upon an 1:18 ERTL '70 1/2 Chevrolet Camaro Z/28 in Citrus Green.  Tires Hwy. 61 Goodyear Polyglas GT's, wheels painted, rear spoiler stripes corrected, all much in the flavor of what was done to the 1:18 ERTL '70 1/2 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am seen above.

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...and a modest wheel change onto a 1:18 Hwy. 61 1970 Ford Mustang BOSS 302, here wearing 1:18 ERTL '73 Mustang standard wheels painted and added.  Much better when contrasted to the unfortunate Hwy. 61 attempt to render the same.  

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M.K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: MO on November 21, 2011, 01:47:22 AM
There is just something about Citrus Green for me. Mine had Saddle interior. Great combo...
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: OCTARD on November 21, 2011, 06:20:22 PM
Though I'm at risk of Jon thinking even less of me, my first Camaro was a Citrus Green '70 Z-28, similar to Mike K's ERTL model above.  I bought the ERTL die cast too, as my Dad and I still share the car.  If I were to correct the model to represent our car, I'd need to make it a standard front end, without a "sport" mirror.

Great stuff, Mike K.  Thanks for showing us all your hard work, and pointing out many of the subtle details.

-Chad
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on November 22, 2011, 04:39:17 AM
Mike,

Of the three, I have to say that the Firebird takes the prize. Your efforts on that car absolutely paid off.
I will say it again, it is absolutely stunning. That is not meant to disparage your efforts on the others.
Thanks again for sharing your passion with us.

-Jon
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on February 03, 2012, 01:44:22 PM
Greetings everyone here,

School responsibilities intrude upon time otherwise directed towards hobby efforts, but some work proceeding anyhow.  I recently attended a small hobby club meet held locally, whereupon a good natured fellow who'd fabricated a very nice 1:25 plastic scale period SCCA Trans Am replica took me to task for not finishing my admittedly elaborate projects.  I love his finish work, but some of his choices made and some of the fabrication seen struck me as a bit off, so a challenge then for myself to 'prove a point' and do something in plastic.  The 'plastic people' never seem to respond to diecast work, hence I've decided that to best 'unstick myself' that a long-dormant 1:25 Jo-Han '70 Mark Donohue Javelin will be completed in tandem with a semi-simplified 1:25 Jo-Han '70 Mark Donohue Javelin - the later version less suspension mods.   In short, perhaps expect a small succession of '70 Javelin posts, nothing too extreme of length, but enough to share work as I further beg for insight every now and again.  The 'better' and more content-laden model is the '70 Javelin illustrated as a resin shell example seen earlier in this thread will be a Donohue Watkins Glen ride with the revised fueling inlets, Racemark seat, late front spoiler, etc.  The less content-laden example will be an early-season Peter Revson ride with the early front spoiler, less elaborate front seat, 'normal' rear tires, chrome valve covers less the joined breather tubes - and maybe a film of oil on the back for early-season engines weren't exactly long-lived!  Though blessed by birth, here in scale as in life, Revson will pretty much get the shaft in his Jo-Han Javelin for it having lesser content.  Both models will have Jimmy Flintstone/Mini Exotics resin shells with the beautifullly-rendered flared wheelarches front and rear. 

Oh no - here it comes - GASP! - the first question!

Though not endowed with the special reference glasses that turn all b&w images to color (if only!), something seems decidely lighter in color about the interior door trim versus restored images of the engineering hack wearing black panels.  I see a charcoal gray, perhaps not a strict '70 color offering even as the style of the interior panels says 1970.  What color does everyone see in the racing seat thread found elsewhere on this site?  Any response or impressions shared would be greatly appreciated.  Working towards little progress day-to-day, whereas satisfying thus far.  Kind regards to everyone here...

Mike K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on February 04, 2012, 01:27:07 AM
Mike,

Nice to hear from you. In my mind, I was remembering the interior panels as being blue. Craig Wheeldon pointed out this ebay ad (http://www.ebay.com/itm/1971-champion-spark-plug-ad-mark-donohues-javelin-toy-car-offer-/260945520342?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cc190a6d6#ht_500wt_1180) to me which appears to support my recollection. Even though the image of the Javelin shown as an external view is the '71 body style, the shot of Donohue sitting in the car shows the '70 aluminum seat and the rear quarter window shape is definitely the '70 version and not the '71. I hope that is of help to you.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on February 04, 2012, 04:11:42 PM
Greeting Jon,

Thanks - that makes very good sense, while the ad. has been ordered.  Earlier I had investigated '70 interior colors and found no mention of a gray or charcoal, and yet something definitely seemed up.  Given the rebodying of the 'real' cars post-'70, we'll not otherwise see it restored, hence why not something definitive in 1:25th?  Again I'm indebted, for here too you have awareness and understanding quite clearly beyond what I'm able to bring to bear.  With much thanks...

Mike K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on February 05, 2012, 07:12:54 PM
Greetings,

Not much to see at this point - just another resin shell with the flared wheelarches, cast Minilites combining Jo-Han inner wheels with the outer lip of the MPC Chrysler Sportsman Kit Car Dart wheels, a dismal as-delivered stock rollcage, and Perry's Resin tires.  Still, up on wheels, the side early-season fuel inlets have been drilled with the back sides plugged - and hence another scale life form is brought into being.  I intend to work back and forth between the Donohue and Revson Javelins, adding elements in discreet succession, hoping to finish fabrication of at least the Revson Javelin in anticipation of a show come late April of 2012 (when this was posted).  The simplified chassis of the Revson Javelin will be the key to keeping this confidence building exercise simple, whereas if progress can be made in relation to the more elaborate Mark Donohue Javelin, this too will be welcome.  I'm trying if you will to unstick myself for too elaborate efforts given I have so many Javelin spares.  Refueling port on back of spoiler to be plugged.  Thanks...

P.S. Yes, you do spy a Model Car World '72/'73 Penske Donohue Matador NASCAR project just below it.  Quite crude, whereas my knowledge concerning it is a bit thin too.  Hoping to someday do a '73 Winston Western 500 race winner as a 'slammer'; i.e. no engine detail - just body and interior work.  

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Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on February 11, 2012, 06:45:58 AM
It looks like you've got the basics of what you need, Mike. I'm looking forward to seeing where progress takes you from there.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on February 22, 2012, 02:43:42 PM
Quiet progress - playing about with casting tires.  Scale Goodyear Blue Streak Sports Car Specials not reliably available in scale in the size and tread pattern (or the indentation pattern in this instance) that I'd desire, hence working with urethane mold making material to very selectively combine the best elements from different tires to come up with the best on one, or rather two molds.  Imagine one very good sidewall reflecting about the right aspect ratio, appropriately-sized 'GOODYEAR' (no wingfoot key mind you) on the sidewall, but less than ideal section dimensions and poor 'tread'.  Another tire might have the right 'tread', be a bit too wide, and have undesired sidewall detail.  Casting each in hard plastic resin allows me to isolate the best aspects of each design, combine them, and should the tread pattern be on a thin vinyl tire, I might be able to reduce or enlarge the diameter of the final casting for applying the same to a cylindrical pattern reflecting my particular size needs.  For the center where the rim would be fit into the tire this may be too large for some rims, but for the use of clay to build up the center, a casting of the sidewall can include extra material to allow me to shore up these dimensions and open up the center to whatever dimensions seem appropriate.  


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...likely Laguna Seca 1970, perhaps top of the Corkscrew.

 
First time doing this, hence slow but also a bit dazzling for there is so much control over the finished product.  What seemed a fixed aspect of the project(s), namely tires and wheels, is now wide open.  Some cottage industry suppliers afford tires made in such a fashion, but here again value can be lent for I have the option of shopping for my own resin, heedless of what the pot and set time of the material used requires.  What I mean by this is that a 'production shop' wouldn't stand for having to wait 16 hours to pull something from a mold in order to efficiently produce the volume needed to turn a profit - if a profit can indeed be had.  Something that sets quickly (speaking of resin) may not have the texture of what I desire, hence to effectively take over this aspect of the process allows me to shop very carefully for the very specific qualities I'd want in the pliability and texture of the tire material, and thus I can combine the best tooling across forty-odd years and mate it to very rigorous in-house quality control and even the slowest-setting materials to come up with what I desire.  In a sense a Jo-Han model becomes a Fujimi or Hasegawa kit for whatever lacks are inherent in the older product and tool are seen to without regard for volume production.  Interesting stuff, while new photos of the Revson Javelin with far better tires are to come.  So much model tech. talk so some of this may not be strictly understood, but progress being made.  Thanks for the interest...
 
Mike K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on February 23, 2012, 09:20:40 PM
Mike,

I'm frankly amazed. The thought of molding my own tires and taking parts of a sidewall from one example and combining it with tread from another, well ... it would have not entered my mind as a possibility.  But I am not a serious modeler and yet I can understand that maybe getting into a competition with other modelers could lead to wanting (or needing) to go the extra mile. Somehow, this reminds me of Mickey Thompson and the ingenuity he displayed by casting his own Hemi Pontiac heads and Hemi Ford heads when no such thing was available. What you are doing is not as complicated as that but to me the spirit and drive behind it all is the same. I'm impressed and my hat is off to you. Thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on February 27, 2012, 04:01:37 PM
Short update here,


Resin tire work - initial casting a 'hard' white resin master, whereas 'soft' black-colored and pliable slow set time resin clones to be cast from a subsequent mold taken from the former.  

Early season Revson Javelin with 1:25 scale MPC Goodyear Blue Streak front tire sidewalls combined with narrowed 1:25 MPC Goodyear Blue Streak NASCAR indented 'tread' tread pattern reduced in circumference for being pliable vinyl that could be cut free of a standard kit tire, shortened a bit, and then glued to a reduced diameter plug before being mated to the aforementioned sidewall detail.  All in white resin now, hence contrast near-impossible to cope with.  Rear tires same 1:25 MPC Goodyear Blue Streak NASCAR indented 'tread' footwear mated to period 1:25 Jo-Han small-lettered Goodyear Blue Streaks sidewall detail.  Sorry - image headache inducing...

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Last season Donohue Javelin (front tires identical to above, although I do know of the Van Valkenburgh super modified tire reference within the space of The Unfair Advantage and am mulling what to do).  Rear tires same 1:25 MPC Goodyear Blue Streak NASCAR indented 'tread' footwear with stock large letter GOODYEAR identification, but wider by about 20% in section.  Note neat SUNOCO Mark Donohue b&w promotional photograph, as well as Ronnie Kaplan Engineering '69 promotional postcard.  1:18 Minichamps Porsche 917-30 diecast model is as-delivered and is quite nice.  

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Lastly, yet another SCCA Trans Am possibility in scale.  A firm by the name of Scale Motorsports did this in 2006; i.e. a modified kit shell of the 1:25 AMT '64 GTO annual intended to replicate the '71 season Tullius Gray Ghost.  Odd how flares on rear suggest period Buick 442 versus Pontiac.  Put up on wheels to mull, yet another thought exercise.


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Thanks...


Mike K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on March 03, 2012, 04:11:28 PM
Hello,

A little scattered, but flitting back and forth between the Javelins and a Tullius Grey Ghost.  Some modest progress; i.e. ride height lowered in back, main roll hoop with 'X' brace fabricated, revised flare and rear wheel arch contour (raised and broadened - a bit 'Frankenstein' in appearance now), air dam fabricated, outside rear view mirror.  Model shell came through as a post coupe, and now you'll note that it is no longer.  Refueling inlets cut into quarter panels, back side of each paneled-in, inlet with cap on driver's side.  Minilite wheels cast twice over, exterior lips to be spray Alclad 'chrome' lacquer, inners semi-gloss black.  I regret being so maddeningly unfocused at times, but nevertheless like the results across projects.  An idea takes hold in relation to a specific project, I work diligently upon it, and then my attention floats about until it fastens upon another something or such.  Kind regards to the community.

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Mike K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: klvn8r on March 05, 2012, 07:16:29 PM
You sir, are an artist!!!!  Keep up the good work!  (and make sure that 70 Penske Javelin only has FOUR lug nuts per wheel!!!)

klvn8r
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on March 10, 2012, 02:53:41 PM
Thanks for the kind words and notice - yes, indeed - four lugs on the '70 Penske Javelins!,


Greetings,

After reviewing photographs seemingly forever, I determined that something wasn't quite right on the front end of UGH! - another side project.  Not sure if some favorable aerodynamic effect was secured for the mods. made to the actual Tullius/Adams Trans-Action Gray Ghost, but I felt something had to be done to bring matters in line concerning the appearance of the front of my  model. Sorry grilles and wheels afford the examiner of this post the contrast of the blackness of space - hence hard it is to envision strictly what will be afforded in terms of results.  

In sum, the front bumper has been cut to remove the 'vee' profile; i.e. now it's flat side-to-side, whereas the bumper itself has been pulled back a bit, angled down, and massaged into the surrounding fenders which have been trimmed and contoured to better position the now angled grilles and their respective headlamp bucket assemblies.  The center 'beak' is just plastic scrap, whereas further subtle work required here to establish final positioning of much.  

The overall look is decidedly odd, with the headlamps downturned and slightly cross-eyed, whereas I found trimming and re-contouring the back of the hood to pull it in a bit helpful besides.  Near-invisible progress of dubious aerodynamic worth in total it would seem.  Wonder why all the work was deemed necessary? Oh, new main hoop of roll cage, re-contoured rear wheel arch openings, four pin vise 'dimples' drilled surrounding each refueling inlet, and other discreet things done.  Thanks for your attention.  


Mike K.

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Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on April 02, 2012, 03:34:35 PM
Greetings,

(Adams/Trans-Action/Tullius Gray Ghost the topic in 1:25th scale)

Quite busy, hence modest pace on anything at all scale replica related.  Standard 1:25 AMT '65 GTO chassis 'features' cast-in exhaust and rear suspension complete, hence same cut out and replaced with resized 1:25 AMT '62 Catalina assembly from rear suspension pick up points aft, whereas stamping seen between chassis rails forward is sourced from a 1:24 Polar Lights GTO trimmed to disguise how relatively large it is.  The parts are held together with brass box section laid in a bed of two-part epoxy applied on the topside.  Late BOP differential mated to '62 Catalina rear suspension, camber adjustment flanges seen where center section mates to axle housing tubes appearing oversized do reflect 1:1 reality.  Until I was able to stiffen this mash of subassemblies, I could proceed no further.  

Polar Lights '64 GTO inner door trim panels have been introduced into interior bucket, the horrid cast-in console has been removed, whereas a plug has been fabricated and fitted to disguise resultant gap. The rear extent of interior trim and rear package shelf integration is quite crude at this juncture.  A scratchbuilt seat and shifter platform is to come, while the cast-in armrests are to be drilled clean out and replaced with inset panel plugs. The glovebox has been removed, whereas CDI module has been set in place on firewall. A new Polar Lights GTO was picked up to replace the inset floor pan section imperfectly employed before, whereas the trans. crossmember is in place from the same now. Engine awaits sump fabrication, likely just cloned from a T-G Firebird wet sump design that I have a picture of.

Fuel tank removed, plug for same fabricated, whereas fuel cell housing with straps fabricated and set in place. Largely invisible when viewed from side, as 'abandoned wreck' photo images reveals. Rear frame rails and associate hardware looking quite nice, while negative camber of rear axle assembly now a reality. Meshing all the chassis and interior parts (some 1:24 scale, others 1:25 scale) isn't much fun, but the project is coming along all the same. Thanks...

Mike K.

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...pin vise work to drill four holes around the fuel inlet just discernable for fuzzy photo image provided.

M.K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on April 04, 2012, 03:43:57 PM
Lots of kit-bashing going on and fab work plus mixing two different scales into one. Can't argue with the results. Looks like it's coming along nicely so far, Mike.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on April 09, 2012, 03:01:29 PM
Greetings and thanks for the kind continuing interest evidenced,

Thought given to interior has witnessed me toss aside the old AMT '65 interior casting and simply build up from the composite elements I have in my possession. Some putty work to fill gaps will be needed, some faux structure to add, but generally workable inside at present. Half-round stock will be used for panel indentations stamped from the other side prior to welding of the floor pan proper, some bracework from side-to-side will be reproduced, whereas body drain plug holes and plugs will further be added.  Some imagineering to come then...

So, from back to front what has been employed constitutes the aforementioned AMT '65 GTO rear parcel shelf joined to a carefully fitted sheet plastic bulkhead mated to the rear third of the AMT '62 Catalina chassis adjusted to fit. Forward of this is the AMT '65 GTO perimeter frame, the reverse side of the Polar Lights '64 GTO underbelly stamping which is now mated to the upturned firewall section cut out and reemployed here from the same Polar Lights tool. The side panels are Polar Lights again, now free of both arm rests and window winders. The dashboard is now a Polar Lights part supported by AMT '65 GTO top structure, while removing the dashpad entirely from the dash stamping affords the odd depth of instrument panel positioning that I didn't quite understand or 'get' for careful (well, kinda/sorta) inspection of my period photographs. As Ralph Nader would describe in his work Unsafe At Any Speed, the second impact suffered on that dash wouldn't be remembered; i.e. one would either be killed outright or merely knocked out cold.

Some stripped shell w/perimeter frame photo images have been found online to inform the effort. Neat this; i.e. that one can  go online and find structural shots, etc. simply for cooking up a rudimentary web search. A New Mexico-situated '64 Tempest found for sale and intelligently photographed helps some faceless hobby-type working on a scale replica, thus providing modest amusement to you.  Thank you very much Jon for posting the '71 SCCA regulations, for your so-doing I can effectively 'design' matters around what is vividly described thus.  Yes, the chassis forward of the firewall is nasty, whereas Revell '69 Camaro next up to the plastic torch to see what might be stolen and integrated here. Proceeding ahead then...

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/9c_zps2573b540.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/9c_zps2573b540.jpg.html)

Mike K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on April 13, 2012, 01:19:01 PM
Coming along nicely, Mike. You're right about that front frame section being not up to snuff. Something there has to be improved. I'm not sure a '69 Camaro subframe would look appropriate enough. No other GM "A-body" car kits you can steal a better frame from? Craig Wheeldon sent me an article from (I believe) Car & Driver which was called "Return of the Gray Ghost". There are a couple of vintage pics of the car in there plus some new ones as well. Do you already have that article?
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on April 13, 2012, 03:44:18 PM
Thanks for your interest and attention,

A few developments here - some a surprise.  Established contact with current owner, who fielded questions via phone in a manner akin to interviews found on the CRG board.  Hope to see actual car as it emerges from storage post May 1st (this being 2012).  It has happened that people associated with the construction of a vehicle or the restoration of the same have stepped forward in relation to posts made of this or that project, whereas this will constitute the first time an actual owner might permit me the kind courtesy of making a first-hand inspection of the topic - a good feeling this.   The original color of the Herb Adam's car was a shade of green, hence little things are illuminated for application to matters.  One finds color chips online, isolates said '64 Pontiac shade, orders paint, presumes some mix of carpet glue/corrosion/plus welding on the floor and cage structure to be reproduced - and with a deliberate intake of air proceeds ahead.

The polygot chassis worked up above has now been tossed aside.  For investigation and questions fielded on hobby boards, two different tool Oldsmobile 442's have been tossed into the subassembly fire - one a 1:25th Lindbergh '67 442, the other a 1:25th AMT '66 442.  The AMT tool has a one-piece full perimeter frame much like the AMT '62 Catalina, and is properly sized for the platform seems shared.  I haven't been 'doing plastic in 1:25th' for some time, hence I wasn't aware that my kit selection wasn't optimized for that which I am trying to accomplish here.  Something a little strange, but the floor will be double-walled for the top of the Lindbergh '67 442 floorpan tool looks about right when viewed from the top side, whereas the AMT '66 442 floorpan and perimeter frame will quite easily and confidently be employed from below for it is all of a piece.   The AMT tool isn't acceptable when viewed from the top bare, or really subject to disguise, hence the decision made to cover it.  In sum and for all the lessons learned, not a very good use of time, and many missteps taken concerning how I've been going about matters.  A very fine BOP differential is included in the AMT '66 442 tool, while the front suspension including distinct upper A-arms and the like will be noticed.   

Sometimes the work area must be cleared and a panalopy of missteps forgotten.  Thankful then that the shell wasn't modified (a rare resin casting - only 55 of these were produced and hence it's irreplacable), and that the Lindbergh tool will afford a firewall and topside floor even if the dimensions are fudged atop to bottom to use the same.  The AMT '62 Catalina does feature the best Pontiac engine, updated in various ways for the use of later-iteration parts - hence less total waste.  I feel rather like a Civil War general that has withdrawn from the field of battle with my forces intact but nevertheless badly bloodied - the reason for which only I can take the blame.  An odd thing to relate, but a quite accurate description of my mental state all the same.  A far better base and entirely better-reasoned way forward to be seen in photo images soon - thanks...


Mike K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on April 13, 2012, 09:21:44 PM
Better - the eternal enemy of 'good enough',


New AMT '66 442 complete underbelly less suspension and frame...  

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/9d_zpsc114ab1a.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/9d_zpsc114ab1a.jpg.html)


Inexplicable utility of overlay on the top of same chassis 'stamping' seen:

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/9e_zpsdaaaaf2d.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/9e_zpsdaaaaf2d.jpg.html)
...before


...after without any great attempt to integrate panel but for cutting and sanding same.


A bit bulbous, but much in terms of shape and contour stands to be gained thus:  

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/9f_zps0b02a9f6.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/9f_zps0b02a9f6.jpg.html)

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/9g_zpsc12a08ae.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/9g_zpsc12a08ae.jpg.html)

Thanks - less angry ghost, more the Casper variety now.  


Mike K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on April 13, 2012, 09:43:04 PM
Much nicer piece, Mike, although would be nice to see the frame also. Very strange extra "overlay". Can't recall ever seeing that before.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on April 14, 2012, 03:29:57 PM
I appreciate the kind attention,

Full frame - very different from earlier hobby days when promotional coaster chassis was simply reused and cut to allow an engine to be installed.  Largely hollow and delicate, hence same may be puttied at least to the extent of disguising state of same where visible up front and underhood.  Thanks...

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/9h_zps0948fa6c.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/9h_zps0948fa6c.jpg.html)

...same roughly in place, old promotional model structure to site front bumper and chassis needs to be cleared away now from the basic shell, frame ends eventually to be tucked away beneath and behind bumpers.  

(http://images42.fotki.com/v664/photos/9/1203159/10434529/Withframethen002-vi.jpg)


Mike K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on April 15, 2012, 02:04:31 AM
Very unique frame and chassis for a model kit, Mike. Never see one like it before. Pretty neat, actually. Thanks for posting the pics. Definitely a much better piece (or pieces) than what you had to work with previously.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on April 26, 2012, 12:51:45 AM
Thanks again for the kind attention paid,

Someone else inquired about the '70 Penske Javelin projects, gathering parts to construct something along the very same lines - hence I took a few photos.  Anyhow, a small number of interior photographs featuring a hand formed cage (albeit missing a few bars as of yet) as well as a fair rendition of a Racemark seat.  The seat can be seen to have been extended nearabouts the legs for the sourcing of another casting that has been sectioned in, whereas at the time I did not have better resource material to guess at the mounting frame.  Odd, but nice to have discovered far better material here as found within the space of the racing seat thread some time ago.  Not complete (as altogether too much of what I have is), but encouraging (ditto).  

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/9j_zps92df0906.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/9j_zps92df0906.jpg.html)
(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/129_zpse8f61ae5.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/129_zpse8f61ae5.jpg.html)


Mike K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on April 29, 2012, 11:58:22 PM
Good feedback, Mike. Nice to know the seat thread is proving useful. Why is the rear area cut out on this Javelin interior? Was there a rear seat there that needed to be removed or was it for some other reason? I'm not sure you said what kit you started with.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on April 30, 2012, 03:46:42 PM
Thanks Jon,

The Javelin(s) are based upon the original Jo-Han '70 Javelin Trans Am tool, whereas the chassis has been modified (and hopefully improved upon) for the incorporation of elements from the Jo-Han '69 SC/Rambler tool.  The SC/Rambler model features a separate rear axle and springs, whereas on the Javelin, all is cast-in and markedly simplified.  For the front, a combination of Javelin subframe, a '70 Rebel Machine crossmember plus upper and lower control arms, in addition to SC/Ramber inner wings/fenders will be employed.  The interior is cut out for there was interference between it and the chassis/floorpan structure being built up from below, and given it should only be one panel with two sides anyhow (unlike the 'cheat' underway on the Tempest Gray Ghost), here I've chosen to employ the top structure of the chassis 'plate'.  


(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/131_zps039463d2.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/131_zps039463d2.jpg.html)

...Javelin chassis with SC/Rambler between the rear subframe rails structure, a seam atop the 'hump', and then SC/Rambler trunk structure heading back.  Quite smooth, and hence the choice to incorporate it rather than hide the same.  More work to come, but largely solid.  Some of my subassemblies will more or less stick together in place sans glue, a sign of sorts that matters mate well indeed.

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/9k_zps89137dd4.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/9k_zps89137dd4.jpg.html)

...a bit crude around the rear subframe yet, but a guide towards what is intended.  Front suspension parts more or less collected, original structure of Javelin chassis in some instances stands to be reused as not to 'throw away the dimensions' concerning the siting of the axle, but many other elements added to improve matters.  AMC Model 20 differential pig/diff. housing less axle shaft housings seen.  Shocks, panhard rod, etc. not yet fabricated and hence unseen.

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Meanwhile, the Tempest is back on wheels - complete with negative camber front and rear and a bit of toe-out up front besides.  Bumpers mount to frame, hence body can be removed to leave each suspended in place - an odd look surely!  Temporary framework used to site rear axle for purposes of establishing ride height and track, whereupon I'll modify the rear suspension around the dimensions and fit established for so doing.  I think it looks about right.  Thanks and kind regards...

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/9L_zpsddfbbb5e.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/9L_zpsddfbbb5e.jpg.html)
(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/9m_zps561703de.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/9m_zps561703de.jpg.html)
(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/9n_zps679e6a0b.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/9n_zps679e6a0b.jpg.html)

...firewall a bit too far forward, drivetrain a bit large front to back, while Lindbergh '67 442 radiator support not far enough back either.  Still, showing promise...


Mike K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on May 12, 2012, 03:56:28 AM
Nice work on both cars, Mike. Very impressive in all the various details. I think both cars are coming along nicely.

I had assumed you might be using the Jo-Han Javelin so thanks for the confirmation of that.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on May 12, 2012, 05:49:42 PM
Thanks for the kind comments Jon,

Modest update - new grilles on Trans-Action Tempest.  All tools and tooling for scale models have either 'PONTIAC' or 'GTO' identification on the right grille, whereas reproducing the slight warp evident where the end of each grille stamping comes into contact with the midpoint Pontiac grille 'beak' wasn't strictly possible for the use of kit plastic griles which are both thick and hard.  I decided to reshape a left side grille sans identification so that it might be reemployed and refited upsidedown on the right hand side, thin my master so that the shape might be a uniform and adaptable as possible, and then cast the result so that clones might be created that might also be twisted to produce the 'warped' profile desired for both sides.  Much better now - hence felt the need to share.  Some early underhood 'aluminum' panel work added, the heat core block out plate, and an early effort at home-brewed cowl induction vent is seen as well.  Very kind regards to all here...

...painfully fuzzy early mock up with original 'as delivered' front profile:
(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/9p_zpscf3590f1.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/9p_zpscf3590f1.jpg.html)

...our dear topic:
(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/8x_zps3bb961ce.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/8x_zps3bb961ce.jpg.html)

...new grilles:
(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/9q_zps73b2763c.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/9q_zps73b2763c.jpg.html)


Mike K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on May 13, 2012, 12:37:33 AM
Impressive work with the grille, Mike.  I like it.  As Siskel & Ebert would say, "two thumbs up".  :)
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on June 09, 2012, 09:21:38 PM
Greetings,


Pause to gather research material on Gray Ghost bears considerable fruit, hence substantive progress to report soon.  

-

Playing about with spare wheels and tires, here then is the basis for a '70 Vic Elford Chaparral Camaro in late season spec.  Less common 1:18 ERTL '70 Camaro Pro Stock shell displays standard (versus RS) front end, whereas doors absent mounting holes for side mirrors might be noticed.  A 1:18 '68 Firebird will likely afford me a chrome rectangular outside mirror to fit instead.  Pleasing to examine, although rear spoiler ends in particular will require much work.  Kind regards to the board...

Mike K.

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/10a_zpsc8da7956.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/10a_zpsc8da7956.jpg.html)

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/10b_zps3fdeba04.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/10b_zps3fdeba04.jpg.html)

M.K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on June 12, 2012, 10:08:50 PM
Mike, it's a little hard to tell. I'm wondering if the roof on this ERTL model is a little more squashed or flattened in comparison to the previous 2nd-gen cars you have showed us (Lane models, I believe). Is that the case or is it just an optical illusion?
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on June 16, 2012, 04:33:18 PM
Greetings,

Indeed, the '70 1/2 ERTL Camaro seems less happy in profile as contrasted to their earlier '70 1/2 Firebird tool.  Not a part is shared between them - a typical phenomenon one encounters with regards to scale models.  Where in theory the scale product of various manufacturers directing their energies to the same topic would produce precisely interchangeable subassemblies, etc., the fact of the matter is that four or five manufacturers can apply themselves to the same topic and come up with four or five mildly incorrect variations on the theme.  On a previous 1:25 MPC '70 Titus Firebird project I owned, indeed I opted to shave off the molded in upper door chrome trim which surely helped to deemphasize what seemed wrong here.  Likely back to the Gray Ghost project for the moment, although updates of all work will be afforded short of overloading the board with my scale diversions!  Kind thanks to all, and indeed, feedback of most any kind is very much appreciated.

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Happy to relate opportunity to inspect actual Trans-Action Gray Ghost afforded to me, whereas now I have about seventy pictures to guide the build.  The car was fairly near to where it is I call home, while with some application contact was established and an invitation made to see the largely original car up close.  A great thrill as the reader can imagine.  Very kind thanks to the current owner, discretion maintained.  

New update photos to come, with details being corrected to reflect new input.  I halted the underhood panelwork for I couldn't determine quite what was there for the limitations of my research.  The rear bulkhead has already been refabricated, while rocker trim holes have been created for the employment of a pin vise.  I hope to employ tiny insect mounting pins to reproduce the trio of boltheads seen on the front bumper ends, whereas holes for the same have already been created. Thanks everyone...

Mike K.

(http://images116.fotki.com/v708/photos/9/1203159/10434529/ChaparralCamaro001-vi.jpg)

...a respray in evidence and powder-coated aluminum Minilite Sports fitted.  It now houses a 366 NASCAR block and crank, but given what could have been lost, it nevertheless remains very close to '71 spec.

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/10c_zps8aaf3cf3.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/10c_zps8aaf3cf3.jpg.html)

...just a touch-in as to where I stopped.

  

M.K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on June 17, 2012, 05:01:15 AM
Mike, that was a wonderful opportunity given to you to be able to see the Pontiac in person and photograph all of the various details. A great benefit to assist you in completing the model in the most accurate way possible. I really like that ducted air intake built into the underside of the hood and I see you have already incorporated the slot in the firewall of your model that will match up to the underhood duct.

I don't work with models anywhere close to the extent that you do but I have taken notice of the fact that most all of them have "mildly incorrect variations", like you say. Frustrating to say the least, but it is nice when you do see some of the rare instances when somebody actually got the details right.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: MO on June 19, 2012, 02:08:45 AM
Mike...that is an amazing talent!
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on June 19, 2012, 04:09:48 PM
Thanks for the kind notice - the sense of community found here and the validation afforded means much to me,

Revised Chaparral Camaro shell for the trim around the side windows has been filed flat, whereas some contour work done to the extent of raising the opening somewhat. The trim atop the doors has been filed down for good measure, the aforementioned 1:18 Lane '68 Firebird side mirror has been added, whereas an initial late-season front spoiler is taking shape.  Not quite made of 'unbreakable Lexan', although if clear material is needed, transparent vinyl sheet may be so-employed.  Cast-in exterior door handles underwhelmed and were ground down to be replaced with 1:18 Welly '72 Trans Am items.  Exhaust dumps have been fabricated, although these are basic and could stand to be created anew and better still.  Lastly, the headliner cast-in between the front and rear screen has been cut out, this effort allowing more light to shine through while cleaning up the appearance of the interior.  Sadly no 1:18 Lane-tooled '70 1/2 Camaro was ever done, whereas the 1:18 Franklin Mint effort (a rare foray into 1:18 scale for them) was badly rendered and hence back to the ERTL tool I felt I had to go.  

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/10d_zps917e8a20.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/10d_zps917e8a20.jpg.html)

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/10e_zps73aa2181.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/10e_zps73aa2181.jpg.html)

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The Gray Ghost Tempest now has features a rudimentary cowl seal, the firewall has been pulled of holes for cast-in and ground-off detail, while a main roll hoop with an X brace and cross bar for supporting the shoulder harness is seen.  The passenger's side interior floor now has what is intended to replicate a fiberglass insert to overlay and disguise floor pan corrosion, whereas the rear bulkhead is of a new shape and spec. given fresh insight for my most recent visit to the topic itself.  A wiper motor and brake master cylinder is seen on the firewall of the model, whereas the panels previous fabricated stand to be refine further.  A rough radiator support with radiator and two Bell helicopter war surplus oil coolers connected tandem on either ends of the radiator core/matrix are seen, but also stand to be refined for insight gleaned from the visit.  Rockers now have trim clip installation holes, whereas axle shaft ends are now seen within the center of the rear Minilites.  And finally, the front spoiler, looking as butch as the rest of the car, has been fabricated again and discreetly added.  Thanks and kind regards to everyone here.

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/10f_zpsd8c556dc.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/10f_zpsd8c556dc.jpg.html)

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/10g_zps2a5ec4f0.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/10g_zps2a5ec4f0.jpg.html)

Mike K.  
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on June 29, 2012, 06:47:21 PM
Greetings,

With curiousity too great in wake of visit to inspect the actual Gray Ghost, I felt compelled to seek out a 1:18 Sun Star 1964 Pontiac GTO having never made an inspection of their tool.  The bulk of my efforts concerning the Gray Ghost are best realized in 1:25th scale for the chassis detail possible there in particular is far better, although 1:18 (or larger still) often results in a scale replica that may in some respects impress more.  My only and admittedly inadequate defense concerning my capacity to focus is that I haven't many projects in total.  

I'm not sure about reproducing flares for this model for the body is reproduced in an atypical fashion that does not lend itself to aggressive metalwork.  In particular, the entire roof structure is plastic for Sun Star decided that a convertible could be produced off of the same tool if this was so.  Given that white metal/Zamac can fatigue and crack, I may go in the direction of 'simple' and either overlay flarework onto the largely untouched shell, or deem it prudent not to reproduce them in any fashion.  Note that the GTO-specific faux hood scoops have been largely ground away.  The second of the two 1:18 Lane '67-'68 Firebird engines already rests under the hood, with the first inside the '70 1/2 Trans Am seen further up the thread.  Tires to be cast with better proportioned fronts in particular.  The same will be marked as Goodyears versus those witnessed here that bear Firestone identification.

What is seen below is a 'before' photo image of the 1:18 Sun Star 1964 Pontiac GTO tool, and a second which depicts the same less chrome trim, interior parts, and the engine that had been molded in part onto the chassis.  Just another in a seemingly endless series of mockups, but again I confess that I was very curious as to what might be done and felt I had to know.  Interior panelwork on the 1:25th version up next, with the dashboard mounts and support structure for the trim panels my goal. Thanks and kind regards...

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/10h_zpsdb074e0a.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/10h_zpsdb074e0a.jpg.html)
(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/10j_zps40fca5d9.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/10j_zps40fca5d9.jpg.html)

...a nice if basic tool, and now growing a bit rare on the secondhand market.

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/10k_zpsabaab174.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/10k_zpsabaab174.jpg.html)
(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/10L_zps995a5abc.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/10L_zps995a5abc.jpg.html)

...same model, hood scoops seen ground down less inserts to disguise front extent of same w/trim, a very basic 'what if' exercise.

Mike K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on July 01, 2012, 05:36:11 AM
Well Mike, the Sun Star mock-up seems to be more attractive (to my eye) than what you were building but I'm not sure if it's because it has color on it, or no flares, or maybe something else entirely. I have to say the flares on the real Gray Ghost are not the prettiest things in the world. I feel the same about the ones on the resin body, but the fact of the matter is they are supposed to be there if someone is attempting to make a true model of the real car. My thinking is this Sun Star piece might yield a better model in the end. How about you? Do you have a preference for one over the other?
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on July 02, 2012, 06:55:18 PM
Greetings,

Indeed, that much of this is at present painted likely makes more of a visual impact versus the 1:25 project.  Pressed ahead with the 1:18 iteration, adding a Lane '68 Firebird engine, mating the wheel backs of the standard Sun Star model to the GMP Trans Am Minilites, and generally playing about with the ride height, etc.  The 1:18th projects always have more visual pop, especially as comparatively few modify them so.  Not sure which will emerge as better, for the larger model looks nice as well.  

Concerning work undertaken, the side GTO identification either washed off or washed off and levelled for the use of a metal file, whereas the hood scoops and anything else needing blend work will best be addressed with sandpaper and various rubber bodywork blocks.  The headlamps have been reused after grinding the top surfaces flat and refinishing them, whereas a pair of license plates were quickly fabbed and added.  Worried about the flares, and while unattractive, the same are calling out to be added here.

Overall the model is quite smooth in appearance without their presence I must admit!  The thin rockers are all that holds the front and rear of the body together less the simple plastic roof, hence concerned that I'll overstress the casting for too ambitious filework.  Single cast Holley centerfloat 4BBL carburetor seen underhood borrowed from GMP Trans Am tool again.  Hope to cast two sets of GMP Trans Am Camaro upper control arms to use one set here, and another for the dormant '68-'69-season T-G Firebird seen some time ago so that it too may be up on wheels sooner rather than later.  Front wheelhousings largely cut away but for the mounting point of the chassis which can barely be made out one-third of the way forward from the cowl looking towards the front of model.  Reproducing the underhood panel work seems quite possible now, while happy I am not to lose rigidity for cutting out the mounting points in their entirety.  Thanks for kind continued interest...

Mike K.

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/10m_zpsf07a873e.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/10m_zpsf07a873e.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on July 07, 2012, 03:38:36 PM
Greetings,

Short update; i.e. the decorative hood scoop inserts have been removed, the raised trailing edge of each has been sanded flat, whereupon each was flipped upside down, sanded flat and set into the hood.  The recycled inserts will serve well as plugs lest I be tempted to use too much putty on the hood casting.  The front spoiler has been fabricated although the same is a bit too deep, whereas the ride height is a bit tall absent flare work and wheelhousing work to allow room for the tires.  A 1:18 ERTL Authentics '67 Impala SS will likely donate a few chassis pieces for in particular I favor the rear suspension and sway bar present there.  A hood tachometer pod was found from dead 1:18 Lane '68 Firebird, the part still wearing a finish of period green metallic.  The fuel cell housing was cast from 1:18 GMP Camaro Trans Am and installed with a scratchbuilt mounting lip, whereas I'm deciding if I should cut a hole straight through base of trunk to install it properly.  Five-element Wink mirror to come, as will the seat which was itself handbuilt, evoking another what might be encountered in a 1950's homebuilt sportscar.  Though unseen, rear seat cushions cut out with an aluminum fill panel cut to fit.  Searching then for information on a hobby sheet metal brake for I'm not sure how to bend it at the bottom without damaging the entire delicate effort.  

Continuing, the AC Delco open element air cleaner was stolen from 1:18 ERTL Authentics '67 Camaro Z/28, base scratchbuilt and surely is not final.  The abbreviated fan shroud formerly seen was filed off the radiator support, while cast-in battery cut out with the surrounding area has been finish sanded.  The brake master cylinder either 1:18 Yat Ming Rebel Machine or 1:18 ERTL '68 AMX, although if some heavy duty Ford truck master cylinder fell out of the sky done in 1:18th I'd be most appreciative!  I've decided to do flares having traced the extent of material I want removed from the shell onto the body casting just last evening, whereas rollcage fabrication in this instance hugely facilitated for a roof that is removable and replaceable in seconds.  Proceeding ahead then...

Mike K.


(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/10n_zps49f19dd9.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/10n_zps49f19dd9.jpg.html)

...hood not sanded or skim puttied yet, although appearing sound.  

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/10p_zps15e779b5.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/10p_zps15e779b5.jpg.html)

.. .1:18 GMP Trans Am Camaro upper control arms are seen having been recently cast and cloned, whereas the same are slated to appear on other GM projects.  I hope to add threaded shock/washer/nut detail, and perhaps the same for the ball joints which are decidedly non-stock.  Further, I intend to build proper upper control arm pedestals and set the arms at an angle that suggests caster.  

Thanks...

M.K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on July 08, 2012, 05:33:30 PM
You're making some nice progress, Mike. I have a question regarding the hood hinges on this 1:18 model. Do you have to stick with this "unstock" look or are you going to fabricate something more authentic looking? It's certainly quite a bit more work to do that. On another note, it's interesting to note that the Gray Ghost started out at Lime Rock as a Tempest 2-door post with a B-pillar and fully framed side windows. It also had black steel wheels at that race. It appears that they subsequently removed the B-pillars, framed windows and added Minilites and thus by default you are going for this later look. I'm curious, does anybody make a 2-door post version of a '64 Tempest/GTO?
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on July 08, 2012, 06:03:09 PM
Hi Jon,

Indeed, what are termed 'dog leg' hinges plague 1:18 diecast models and telegraph 'toy' with irritating insistence.  I do have the shattered remains of a 1:18 ERTL Authentics '67 Impala SS that features quite nice scissor hinges, but then I'm not sure at present if a means to mount the rather heavy hood to the hinges can be devised short of making a two-piece mold of the hood to effectively do the same as a resin casting.  If a casting was made then weight would go down, with the stress placed upon the hinges doubtlessly less.  The standard hinges look quite awful, and yet at present I'm not sure what I'll do here.

Though massively labor-intensive, the flares will be done.  I've filed out the extent of the flares seen on the actual racer in a manner akin to the what was done on an earlier '70 Autodynamics Challenger project, and hence what appears a clean Trans Am-themed model will become more serious soon.  Imagine if you will the total extent of a bubble flare being traced onto each respective panel, with an oversized rasp file being employed to file out the wheelhousing openings to match the traced contour.  Done this morning, some blood is seen on the bodyshell for very physical effort is required.  It's strange to take a nicely finished model in a very agreeable shade and cut into it.  Indeed, I think I painted the bumpers quickly under the erroneous assumption that perhaps I could wrap matters up quickly - something I've said before and to no apparent effect for the number of projects continues to grow!

Yes, I rather like the hood tachometer pod, while I'm reluctant to let it go.  Further, I know for in the rain that pressed steel wheels were the usual fitment.  No wider pressed steel wheels exist, hence the same would have to be cobbled up if I strictly desired this specification. Additionally, to my knowledge no post coupe exists in 1:18 for either the 1964 Tempest or Tempest GTO.  Trace remains of the structure can be seen on the actual car to the extent of the cut B-pillars remaining as stubs bulging out a bit if viewed top down aft of the doors.  So soon they cut out the post coupe structure, whereas it was unusual to notice how the roll cage was welded to what appears as steel 'L'-shaped channels running inside the A-pillars as well as under the roof.  A simple cage in some respects, but quite thoroughly welded to everything vaguely in proximity. Thanks for your kind interest and comments for they mean a lot.  

M.K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on July 13, 2012, 03:44:12 AM
Mike, it sounds like you are "getting serious" with it.  That's good to hear you are doing the flares as it is the proper thing to do if you are going to make a true representation of the Gray Ghost. How about the removable roof on the model? Are you going to leave that feature alone or permanently affix the roof to the rest of the body?
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on July 13, 2012, 03:26:59 PM
Hi Jon,

Worried about making much attempt to permanently affixing the roof to the body on the Gray Ghost for the roof casting is really quite cheap and flimsy - almost from a different world compared to what I usually have to start with.  I may very strategically smear putty between it and the body casting proper and paint this gap in situ, masking the shell and the roof respectively to apply paint only to this exposed material.  Silicone isn't an option for silicone won't stand to be finished with anything.  For now I suppose the removable roof is a plus for few excuses I'll have regarding the fabrication of a tight-fitting roll cage.  

The Gray Ghost is seen now with a filed body, in particular with extended wheelhousings capturing the extent of the 'eyebrow' flarework and essentially terminating at the character line seen a bit lower on the bodywork.  Flare 'pucks' made of stacked plastic sheet are to come, with material for the same saved, but so too pondering the employment of something identified as Renboard for the flarework.  I have two small 'bricks' of the Renboard, a prototyping material akin to a dense 'plastic wood', but have never used this material before.

Looking at the chassis now, the rear wheelhousings have been sectioned to allow more travel top to bottom, whereas the front screw attachment points intruding into the front wheelhousings have been cut and cleared away.  Further, the inner wing/inner fender lip/seam for the bulk of each panel has been filed away awaiting fabrication of the aluminum wheelhousing shrouds employed on the period racer.  See:

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/10q_zps61d0052f.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/10q_zps61d0052f.jpg.html)

...before

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/10r_zps1e73cbf2.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/10r_zps1e73cbf2.jpg.html)

...at present then

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/10s_zps3c660281.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/10s_zps3c660281.jpg.html)

...inner fender work awaiting fabricated wheelhousing panels.  Note how some material has been saved to mount stock hinges towards the firewall, otherwise a largely flat surface short of being too bold or too daring here.  

-

An unexpected discovery concerning the GMP Camaros and anything running ARE wheels was made yesterday.  While aftermarket and cottage hobby suppliers afford much to 1:24th/1:25th modders, there is very little available for 1:18th scale enthusiasts intent on modifying their prefinished replicas.  With very inexpensive vernier caliper in hand, I purchased a set of the smaller scale turned aluminum wheel lips intended to replicate 23 inch wheel detail, employing them instead on a 1:18 GMP Penske Donohue Camaro for which I'd already cut the exterior wheel lips off of.  Very impressive, needing a bit of work yet, but the appearance afforded to the GMP model is that of a high-end 1:43rd scale handbuilt.  Happy, dreading necessity of refitting all '67-'69 topics ARE-equipped with same - although such a difference I don't know how I could say no.  Some work needed to center them atop the spoke portion of the rims, whereas I hope I can remove a bit of material of the back of the lips to tighten up the appearance of each assembly for they seem a bit too wide.  Quite nice though:

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/10t_zps019236fe.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/10t_zps019236fe.jpg.html)

...before, and in time to have an engine and proper '67-'68 dash shell as provided by a certain deceased 1:18 Lane '68 Firebird.

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/10u_zps04572aa9.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/10u_zps04572aa9.jpg.html)
(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/10v_zpsf5f3f3bc.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/10v_zpsf5f3f3bc.jpg.html)

...after, although just pressed in place and not final.  Dimensionally not all they can be at present - but quite a difference.  Thanks...


Mike K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on July 16, 2012, 06:01:36 AM
Mike, those turned aluminum wheel lips on the Camaro are terrific. Nice find on your part.

For having a removable roof, it really does not look too bad on the Tempest. Not perfect, but pretty darn good in my opinion. Lots of work done so far in terms of filing the wheel openings and still more to go in recreating the flares. I look forward to seeing how the flares turn out and whether you decided to go with the Renboard or the stacked plastic pucks.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on July 21, 2012, 04:40:21 PM
Greetings and thanks for kind and informed feedback as always,

Renboard resistant to low tech. efforts to cut and fashion same, hence the material shelved for another time.  Five layers of sheet plastic glued together to form the aforementioned pucks then, with file cards employed to capture the profile of each opening to transfer onto each puck.  A guide coat of paint was used to create a discernable shadow on each respective puck so as to inform what material needed to be filed away as indicated in the photo. The last image depicts two of the pucks in place on the driver's side for material removal and hand fitting, and though early yet, the result affords a feel for that which I'm attempting to do.  Ride height about where I desire it, wheelbase good, wheelhousing space largely good, track not final.  The flares will look much better shortly.  Thanks...

Mike K.

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/11a_zps946f962b.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/11a_zps946f962b.jpg.html)

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/11b_zpsf7750586.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/11b_zpsf7750586.jpg.html)

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/11c_zpsd277ba88.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/11c_zpsd277ba88.jpg.html)

...sorry - a white balance horror show clearly.

M.K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on July 22, 2012, 09:28:22 PM
Well, you are certainly waist deep in the project now!

Nothing to do but full speed ahead. I look forward to seeing how those flares turn out. I think it'll all be good but it'll not have been easy.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on July 27, 2012, 02:30:22 PM
Hello,

Much work done, and about to cast flares in resin so that they'll be easily reproduced and final shaped with less risk of all that has been done with each to this point. The flares will be sanded to better match period photographs, becoming subtler across days for quite constant adjustments made.  Looking fairly good with new air dam seen, engine set back effected, etc.  Ride height in back a bit high, track front and rear to be wider still.  Thanks and kind regards to the community...

Mike K.

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/11d_zpsb8492c68.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/11d_zpsb8492c68.jpg.html)

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/11e_zps872f790d.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/11e_zps872f790d.jpg.html)

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/11f_zps9c26dac6.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/11f_zps9c26dac6.jpg.html)

M.K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: wolfmin on July 27, 2012, 02:35:50 PM
I remember this car having a very distinct sound, similar to having 180 degree headers.  The exhaust wasn't visible as the car passed like most, just exiting underneath somewhere.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on July 27, 2012, 03:14:06 PM
Greetings,

It might seem a discreet observation, but such feedback helps!  Indeed, it's well nigh impossible to make out the exhaust configuration across several period photographs seen, with some showing a rear exit configuration that could be mistaken for one or two closely paired pipes.  Casual observers might laugh at such a suggestion, but then witness the exhaust configuration on the T-G Firebird of Jerry Titus at the '70 Mid-Ohio race!    

As the car is currently configured, both exit beneath the passengers side door rather like the '70 Autodynamic's Challenger, itself said to have had a distinct exhaust note for being so-outfitted.  Though not having witnessed the car racing in period, even for inspecting it closely in recent weeks, I could barely make out the exhaust crouching just next to it.  Thanks for the kind remembrances shared...

Mike K.

Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: MO on July 27, 2012, 09:22:00 PM
Mike,

The flares are taking shape nicely...can't wait to see the final setup!
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on August 02, 2012, 02:15:47 PM
Greetings,

Thanks for the kind feedback - it always helps.  Modest changes, with R/C aircraft 5/16th inch aluminum rod reemployed for use as headlamp block out plate material, whereas the mounting surfaces for the front turn signals have been ground away.  The GMP 1:18 '67 Camaro radiator switched out for the Lane 1:18 '68 Firebird radiator has resurfaced here, whereas a pair of Harrison oil coolers with the very large and undoubtably butch mounting flanges have been scratchbuilt and added.  Headers are hard to source in this scale, while what can be seen are trimmed down from a modified release of the Hwy. 61 1:18 '70 Challenger.  Lastly, the floor of the trunk area has been rebuilt and plugged for the removal of the cast-in 'stamped steel' fuel tank, with a resin fuel cell housing discreetly visible from behind and below.  Kind regards to the community...

Mike K.



...looking more substantial surely with the revised headlamp plugs.  Glad too to finally remove the remaining plastic that formerly held the turn signal inserts in position.  

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/11h_zps66a8b5b4.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/11h_zps66a8b5b4.jpg.html)

...not complete, although a new radiator support is taking shape with the aforementioned radiator and oil coolers taking their place.  Attachments and inlets/outlets to come on the coolers, in addition to the diagonal braces across the front and rear surface of each cooler matrix.  I also hope to add some brass screen in front of everything even though most of it might not strictly be visible.  Mounting flanges for headers to come, whereas I further hope that I can reposition the tubes (or scratchbuild forward of the collectors) to reflect the proper positioning of the exhaust-side ports on a conventional (non-Ram Air V) head.  In addition, some fill panels are slated to be added around each of the oil coolers.  

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/11j_zps03054dde.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/11j_zps03054dde.jpg.html)

...very hard to see, but fuel cell housing now visible from below.  Yes, the GTO tailamp lenses will be modified and cut back to reflect what was fitted to a Tempest.  

Thanks...

M.K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on August 04, 2012, 05:54:17 AM
Thanks again for the update, Mike. You've gotten a lot done. I appreciate you filling us in on what's next. I think the headers (while not perfect for your application) will provide a good start and you can doctor them up as necessary to fit your needs. It's definitely better than having nothing to start with.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on August 07, 2012, 03:04:18 PM
Greetings,

A fast weekend project for finding a second-hand example for not too much outlay of cash.  1:18 Hwy. 61 Smokey Yunick '69 Boss 302 tribute release combined with gloss black painted 1:18 GMP Trans Am ARE wheels and Firestone-marked tires, with the ride height reduced to the extent I was willing to risk matters.  All headlamp lenses removed and replaced with scratchbuilt panels, tailpanel 'MUSTANG' identification touched in with paint for the photoetched letters seemed clearcoated and hence nonremovable.  Fuel fill cap removed and replaced with a small disc of plastic painted to disguise matters, lock cylinders touched in to disguise these, while side marker bezels and lenses removed - albeit some discreet fill panel work still required.  Chassis largely stock, interior stock, hence something of a high dollar club racer.  If you chose to replicate this, know that the structure that normally positions the brake disc and more or less situates the wheel on the hub on the back half of each wheel must be ground off entirely to fit the GMP ARE Torq-Thrust rims to the Hwy. 61 rim 'halves' if all of it is to go together.  I had a set of wheels I pulled from some secondhand diecast model that featured a wheel/tire set quite clumsily installed, hence no great loss to grind said example of what was in point of fact a gluey mess.  Most of this is pretty low-impact, so do consider giving it a go.  Thanks...

Mike K.  

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/11k_zpsb15d7530.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/11k_zpsb15d7530.jpg.html)

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/11L_zps58b83d34.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/11L_zps58b83d34.jpg.html)

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/11m_zps11696e82.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/11m_zps11696e82.jpg.html)

(http://images51.fotki.com/v103/photos/9/1203159/10947217/003-vi.jpg)

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(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/11n_zps851eec23.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/11n_zps851eec23.jpg.html)

...the topic in question.  Allocated to Smokey Yunick, never to turn a wheel in SCCA competition, a very brief NASCAR GT career instead.

M.K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on August 07, 2012, 03:10:26 PM
Greetings,

For some parts exchanged, the Gray Ghost is now seen wearing 1:18 GMP '68 Smokey Yunick large-lettered GOODYEAR tires that were arriving onto the scene late in 1970 looking forward.  Given these were afforded only on one release of the GMP Trans Am range, I count myself fortunate to have them.  Pinheads are seen on the front bumper ends consistent with the bolthead detail witnessed on the actual car, whereas the tailight panel has been washed to remove the GTO-specific red lense detail extending further in from both sides towards the centerline.  The rear flares have shrunk a bit further and fit better too near the ends in particular.  Thanks...

Mike K.  

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/11p_zps344be949.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/11p_zps344be949.jpg.html)

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/11q_zps9ca83d78.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/11q_zps9ca83d78.jpg.html)

M.K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on August 08, 2012, 02:57:46 PM
Mike, the Smokey Boss model turned out great for a short weekend's worth of work. The Tempest model keeps looking better as you go along. Thanks for these recent updates.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: MO on August 09, 2012, 05:25:25 AM
Mike,

Do you have any pictures of the Smokey Mustang before you worked your magic? Are you putting on the trunklid pins?
 
Thanks,

Fred
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on August 10, 2012, 03:45:03 PM
Thanks for the kind notice everyone,

I pounced upon the '69 KK Yunick BOSS 302 quickly, hence a bit of searching online required to find 'before' photos.  The radio aerial was removed, the license plates were also axed, and the strange almost Triumph TR4-like rendition of Minilite alloys too were removed to be discreetly buried in haste.  If I can find suitable photo etch material, I will do the unique decklid pin bases much as you see replicated on the '69 Shelby Racing Co. Gurney Boss 302 depicted below.  Said model has more or less one-off ARE CP-200/Trans Am wheels that I very much wanted and cobbled up to suit this application.  Thanks...

Mike K.

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/11r_zpsf59a4efe.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/11r_zpsf59a4efe.jpg.html)

(http://images42.fotki.com/v664/photos/9/1203159/10947217/Smokeyfront-vi.jpg)

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/11s_zps50de22f8.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/11s_zps50de22f8.jpg.html)

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(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/11t_zps1eec2a95.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/11t_zps1eec2a95.jpg.html)
...sorry for photo image flare too apparent here.

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/11u_zps5152ff0b.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/11u_zps5152ff0b.jpg.html)
...it looks better now with the Shelby-specific brake cooling ducts in place.

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/11v_zpsebb71078.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/11v_zpsebb71078.jpg.html)

M.K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: MO on August 11, 2012, 03:40:53 AM
Very cool stuff Mike!
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on August 11, 2012, 11:13:26 PM
Mike, the as-delivered Minilites on the Smokey Boss are pretty bad and the car never ran with them anyway, as far as I have ever seen. The car looks far better with your GMP Torq-Thrusts and Firestones on it. As for the #2 blue Shelby, that car turned out great!
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on August 21, 2012, 03:49:31 PM
Greetings,

To spread across projects while serving my current Tempest Gray Ghost effort, I fabricated and created a mold for both GM and Ford axle ends (at least what is visible) as well as grease cap detail to fit into the wheels.  Singles of the same are tedious to make, whereas if such do not match across projects, the lasting impression is one of sloppiness.  The two-part urethane mold is seen in the photo.  Too poor are my images to note what has been achieved in this regard on the 'Ghost', but closer to complete the wheels and tires appear for the effort made.  

My investigation into alternate tire possibilities continues, with a 1:18th ERTL '65 Cobra 427 yielding some Blue Streak Goodyears with appealing sidewall detail.  I hope to clay in the tread detail and create the comparatively simple indented tread pattern appropriate for period dry weather Goodyears upon a master that would be cast further.   I know that on both the '70 T-G Firebird as well as the '71 Gray Ghost that the front and rear tires were of the same size, whereas the tires could be employed on the existing Autodynamics Challenger effort and a AAR 'Cuda to be undertaken in time.  

In addition, I anticipate employing a brass photo-etched mask to reproduce the tire lettering even for the nice footwear on show in the Gray Ghost photos.  The lettering may not be quite a precise as seen on the tires employed on the Gray Ghost at present, but crisp masking of such lettering seemed hit or miss, with a slightly soft mask perhaps lending unexpected visual interest if done well.  I think too of old race tire bound together as a protective measure seen in run off areas, and rather impressionistic was the masking on the race tire markings examined upon so many.  

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/12a_zps30e8db88.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/12a_zps30e8db88.jpg.html)

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Lastly, a wheel swap on an older project underlines the utility of experimenting to arrive at better approaches to problems.  My Welly '70 Boss 302 modified to replicate a '70 BME Parnelli Jones entry for long has worn repainted but essentially standard GMP Minilite wheel castings painted with Testor's Model Master Magnesium aerosol - a shade always felt a bit dark for this application.  For creating an improved Minilite master employing better shaped spokes and better exterior wheel lip contour complete with the two untapped air valve dimples on the rim edge, I was able to come up with substitutes prior to applying paint.  Continuing, for the selection of Testor's Model Master Stainless Steel (a bit cooler in tone it is) followed upon with a light overcoat of Tamiya Translucent Pearl, a 'barely there' metallic sheen is created, and more like the mag. alloy look I desire.  Aluminum tubing is used for the wheel installation centering guide (what is the proper name for these anyhow?), whereas drilled and rounded plastic hex rod is employed for the nuts.  Thanks and kind regards to everyone here.

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/12b_zps983efc3a.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/12b_zps983efc3a.jpg.html)

...old specification

(http://images109.fotki.com/v150/photos/1/1203159/5827421/Boss302wheels004-vi.jpg)
(http://images49.fotki.com/v855/photos/1/1203159/5827421/Boss302wheels005-vi.jpg)
(http://images49.fotki.com/v855/photos/1/1203159/5827421/Boss302wheels006-vi.jpg)

...yikes, the lugs clearly need to be sited better!

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/12c_zps188cc138.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/12c_zps188cc138.jpg.html)

...new specification, with apologies to Roy Woods if I'm sowing confusion with the poster signature that seems the work of a web artist!  



Mike K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on August 27, 2012, 09:44:59 PM
Greetings,

Tedious rollcage and floor fabrication unfolding on Gray Ghost.  Main hoop with 'X' brace fabricated, with fit key given that anywhere the cage touches the panelwork (especially along the door jams and A-pillars), one witnesses welding to firmly tie all assemblies together in the style of the T-G Firebirds.  Fit thus far tight, whereas given that the floor structure regretably 'features' a textured 'carpeted' surface, holes for an unneeded console, seat rail cutouts for seats not fitted, and poor contour to allow space for the transmission besides, out it will go to be replaced with a scratchbuilt assembly.  Seen is a 1:18 Lane '68 Firebird trans. tunnel, a new scratchbuilt shifter base/housing, recycled Lane Firebird pedals (surfaces to be scratchbuilt and substituted), and a CDI 'box' less mounting panel detail.  Steering wheel 1:18 Welly '72 Firebird Trans Am (decorative hub trim to be removed), steering column modified 1:18 Lane '68 Firebird.  Box art for #31 Mustang not so much Jerry Titus but Ron Bucknam series clincher from '67 - an unexpected 1:18 Greenlight release.  Slow, but moving forward...

(http://images51.fotki.com/v103/photos/9/1203159/10816618/Mainhoop001-vi.jpg)

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/12d_zpsd779bc28.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/12d_zpsd779bc28.jpg.html)

Mike K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on August 28, 2012, 03:51:06 AM
Nice progress on the Tempest, Mike. Thanks for the updates. The Mustang wheels look much more accurate to the real car in the revised color but yes, it looks like some rework is needed on the lug nut locations.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on August 31, 2012, 04:15:08 PM
Greetings,

A neat discovery - a rarer cousin of the 1:25 Jo-Han factory plastic promotional model range afforded in 1969.  This is a 1969 Trans-Am Javelin promotional, also produced with the colors reversed front-to-back.  Usually quite expensive, nearing $300 now, hence this example showing a bit of box rub and less than stellar masking acquired for less is nevertheless desired.  A 1:32nd scale slot car set known as The 1968 Trans Am Javelin Racing Game is seen every now and again for about $200, whereas Jo-Han unassembled plastic kits (with the 1971 Mark Donohue Javelin racer released by AMT employing the Jo-Han tooling) exist for the 1970, 1971 and 1972 racers (each with a 1970 interior!) for about $100 and up.  

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/12e_zps82c8f50e.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/12e_zps82c8f50e.jpg.html)
(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/12f_zpsbef9e99a.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/12f_zpsbef9e99a.jpg.html)
(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/12g_zps280c4045.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/12g_zps280c4045.jpg.html)

Mike K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on September 01, 2012, 05:31:42 PM
Mike, that's a pretty cool promo model of the Javelin. Nice acquisition on your part. With the red on the front rather than on the back, that would represent the Ron Grable version of the '69 Trans-Am car (or Peter Revson for '68). The white band around the middle of the car seems to be more of a cream color rather than white. Is that true or does the photo just give that impression? I think the Javelin Racing Game you mention was a pseudo slot car set similar in nature to the Chevrolet Road Rally which was offered in 1967. Is that correct?

Speaking of slot cars, apparently Slot Mods debuted a new slot car track during the Monterey Motorsports Reunion week using a '69 Penske Camaro "tribute" as the base. It can be seen here (http://www.autoblog.com/2012/08/18/slot-cars-race-on-track-built-on-1969-chevy-camaro/).
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: MO on September 02, 2012, 02:01:50 AM
That Slot Mod track is way cool!!!
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on September 04, 2012, 10:26:04 PM
Hi Jon,

Indeed, I was curious upon purchasing the promotional model if I had a 'Ron Grable' or 'John Martin/Lothar Motshenbacher/Jerry Grant' Javelin based upon the color sequence - mine is the latter.  Yes, a rather creamy ivory is seen, whereas it is my understanding that Jo-Han typically did three factory promotional releases in factory colors, and three toy store/hobby shop/department store  releases not strictly in factory shades.  As with much produced by Jo-Han, anomalies abound and anything might exist as a one-off.    

Concerning the 1969 range, I believe the factory promotional releases for the year were Frost White (with a '69-specific stripe package included as a waterslide decal sheet inside the box), Mink Black as well as Matador Red.  It seems that Jo-Han simply painted up some Frost White releases for the Trans Am releases, although without a color chip set I cannot verify if they even came so close to match.  I've seen dealer promotional boxes with an ink stamp bearing'69 Javelin RWB' or some such identification in the past, hence I don't believe these were strictly toy store issues.  Yes, the model does look a bit strange!  Quality control not the best, but this was just scale model production work undertaken in Detroit, MI. during an undoubtably turbulent period, and only so much could or can be expected by a collector.      

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Yes - it seems one Republic Tool was responsible for quite a series of interesting period slot car sets in the promotional vein.  While I didn't see the Camaro game here, it doesn't seem much of a stretch to imagine that Republic Tool also produced the same.  
See:

http://www.rmsresins.com/republic-tool-drag-strip.html

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/12h_zps76afd706.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/12h_zps76afd706.jpg.html)

...as for the Javelin Trans Am Racing Game, I last examined a set for sale two years ago in suburb of Chicago for $275, it being largely complete. This seems an average price, with mint examples demanding more when they do surface.

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I did spy the rather unexpected '69 Camaro slot car table sacrifice at the Concours of America - quite different this!  To think that my careful childhood recreation of Mid-Ohio across multiple tables has been upstaged - ah, a pity then.  Thanks...

Mike K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on September 08, 2012, 05:24:40 AM
Mike, thanks for posting the link to the Republic Tool slot car page.

From what I've seen out of the Slot Mods company, all their tracks beat out anything I saw or raced on as a kid. They do nice work!
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on September 11, 2012, 03:23:40 PM
Greetings,

Squaring details with regards to tire fabrication and markings for the Tempest, my attention drifted (again), whereupon I practiced a bit with regards to the finish that might be applied to the chassis of a '69 Bud Moore Engineering BOSS 302.  I hope to be back to the chassis of the Gray Ghost soon, although there are times I need the boost afforded by applying some finish coat to aspects of another project.  If something is highly modified and not quite close to completion, no purpose is served by applying paint to that which is slated to be handled again, and again, and again...

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I really wish I'd tried this elsewhere, for the results seen are very favorable. Here I've applied a splatter finish of gray and white, something termed 'Zolatone' and usually reserved for the trunk area of select domestic vehicles in-period.  Said finish may also disguise welding and repair work, hence versus a straight battleship gray ala Penske, here it is employed as an interior and all-around chassis paint on a '69 Bud Moore Engineering SCCA Trans Am sedan racer.  Tamiya tape, Tamiya German AF Gray/Green, sloppily-applied VHT white header paint employed.  The wheel arches came out especially well, and same for interior; i.e. behind A-pillars and roof.  The effort seems to really help this Welly tool, which requires all the help it can be afforded.  Thanks...

Mike K.

(the odd pillow fabric afforded the wildest background, hence I couldn't help myself!)

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/12j_zpsd94c53ce.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/12j_zpsd94c53ce.jpg.html)
...with chassis insert painted, albeit wheel arches left 'as-delivered'.

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/12k_zpse40ced9e.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/12k_zpse40ced9e.jpg.html)
...with arches painted - far better.

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/12L_zpsee81f888.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/12L_zpsee81f888.jpg.html)
...hood non-removable, hence underneath had to be painted 'in-situ.' - although this too looks nice.

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/12m_zps85c6a86f.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/12m_zps85c6a86f.jpg.html)
...rearmost door jam taped and still red, whereas door jamb forward has Zolatone finish.


M.K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: MO on September 12, 2012, 03:22:48 AM
Fantastic Mike!
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on September 12, 2012, 12:21:31 PM
That looks outstanding, Mike! Very nice job.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on September 15, 2012, 02:12:07 PM
Greetings,

Very modest material to share - an attempt then to respray '69-spec. Zolatone in black with a dusting of white.  Informed feedback from knowledgeable BOSS 302 'heads' advised such, and though hard to discern here, an improvement is noticed/noted.  

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/12n_zps85624d0e.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/12n_zps85624d0e.jpg.html)

...before, with front valence panel and front spoiler in place.

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/12p_zpsc86aebcc.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/12p_zpsc86aebcc.jpg.html)

...after, 'lighting up' for the effect of the flash it does seem.  It would be nice to fabricate a Kar Kraft Watts link center pivot support structure to include here.  The same might be cast, and subsequently spread across other projects.  Given the tight confines of the chassis, it seem best to fab. it and paint it apart and away regardless, whereas there isn't a bit of rear sway bar detail and such too could be added, oriented as it is aft of the aforementioned housing, heading forward.  Some photo material gathered, hence this aspect may be seen before too long.  Additional trimming of the dimensions here and there along the perimeter of the chassis has reduced the incident of finish scratching inside the shell, so this to is welcomed.  Thanks...

Mike K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on September 29, 2012, 02:53:05 PM
Greetings,

Difficult to describe any of this as fun or entertaining, but the following done on the shell of a 1:18th Welly/GMP '69 Parnelli Jones BOSS 302 SCCA Trans Am racer.:  Each headlamp bucket as well as the back of the deck lid and quarter panel trim extensions visible from the rear were painted black and clear coated to match the finish of the rest of the model - this being very tedious.  The rear window retention straps were removed with the holes to position each fast plugged with plastic rod, each of which were painted top and bottom to disguise matters best I could.  The white paint 'spear' seen on the hood was refinished atop the cowl panel for the same needed to be extended out rather like the tail of an arrow, whereas the cowl vents still required a delicate black wash application to appear presentable.  Finally, I was flummoxed and frustrated as to just how the missing pinstripe might be done in specific relation to the headlamp bucket, and pondering that I might need to contact an area pinstriper to take the task on.  I ended up taking on the effort myself when a long and flexible enough brush with suitable paint was secured, and hence what is seen constitutes my best stab to date.  It may look better in pictures!  Worn out, in need of convalescence with extremely well engineered and deftly finished scale models that surely do not require all this.  Thanks...

Mike K.


(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/12q_zps5ef89117.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/12q_zps5ef89117.jpg.html)

...front, with pinstripe work seen and essentially in proportion and even from side-to-side.  Headlamp rings, plugs, and requisite 'PJ' decalage to come, hence all appears unfinished.  Front spoiler reshaped (it's flatter across the bottom, whereas the ends have been rounded and reshaped as per photos), with the final iteration finished in a textured paint intended to replicate carpet in scale.  If it all appears incomplete - well, it is!

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/12r_zpsea37d13f.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/12r_zpsea37d13f.jpg.html)

...driver's side, with foil applied, plugs rendering the retention strapdectomy effort more or less invisible.  The sun screen atop the windscreen has been overpainted with a coat of semi-gloss black, for the sheen of the original was too glossy and inexplicably toy-like.  The front bumper was originally chromed, but here has been stripped, reshaped and thinned along the ends, and finally painted black.  Follmer's Mustang usually (but not always) bore a silver finish, while with the factory clear coat I'm limited in my options to designate a race for I can't remove select tampo markings to reorder things as readily as I'd desire.  

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/12s_zpsc5730623.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/12s_zpsc5730623.jpg.html)

...passenger's side, the foil work again, pinstripe work seemingly balanced to other side.  Some effort made to correct the severe 'straight ahead' termination point of the side pinstripe to curve the same slightly as per period photos.  Red-outlined numerals to come, hence this aspect can and will be improved upon.  Foilwork terminates at edge of Zolatone paintwork blending into interior, hence a bit lighter in appearance versus previous efforts to apply same.  

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/12t_zpsc3331271.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/12t_zpsc3331271.jpg.html)

...tail panel paint.  Pinstripe effort a bit thick and heavy, but maybe all I can do in this regard.  Thanks...


M.K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on October 01, 2012, 03:58:11 PM
Getting better, Mike. Thanks for filling us in on the details as you go along.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on October 09, 2012, 02:33:37 PM
Greetings,

Proceeding ahead with paint and decals on the '69 BME BOSS 302 then...  Cast resin '69 spec. Minilites added, different from the '70 and later wheels for the rim edge facing out has an extra lip.  Ride height to come down a bit on the front, otherwise I'm more or less happy here.  Tires GMP Trans Am Goodyear 'wets' decorated to look like Firestones ala Slixx decals the 1:25th drag racing set images cut and applied to adjust for the greater radius.  Aluminum hub guides created from aluminum tube, plastic hex rod used for lugs, ancient silk screened Fred Cady decals (yes, he did a few 1:18th scale sets - these taken from a '70 racing BOSS 302 sheet) employed for roundels (two each and three would have been better still) and red-outlined #15's. Better, larger Firestone 'bowties' added since, Castrol 'shields' still older Ricambi  waterslide decals dating to the early 1990's.  Hoping very much to come up with something that might be unashamedly displayed near my '69 Penske Donohue Camaro, but not for too long and certainly not absent observation for who knows what unspeakable nastiness might be invited for so doing.  I envision twisted blade bumpers, crumpled panelwork, etc.  Coming along then...

(http://images61.fotki.com/v138/photos/9/1203159/10991856/BOSS302withwheels003-vi.jpg)

...I didn't like the tailpanel pinstripe work attempted previously, hence redoing same with inner pinstripe just visible here.

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/12u_zps4c25abc6.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/12u_zps4c25abc6.jpg.html)

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/12v_zpsc039ad53.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/12v_zpsc039ad53.jpg.html)

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/12w_zps8764b699.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/12w_zps8764b699.jpg.html)

...front spoiler more or less Bryar, NH spec., to be changed to reflect later race- perhaps St. Jovite, but nearly any other early race would require the driver's side headlamp bucket to be repainted white. Cast as one piece, the silver finish applied between the grille mesh and the chromed grille surround was no fun at all to do. Headlamp inserts fabricated last night, hood pin scuff bases (photoetched these) purchased and to be added soon.  

Thanks...


Mike K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: klvn8r on October 11, 2012, 01:43:18 AM
I think what you do might actually be more difficult than restoring a real car!!!

klvn8r
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: MO on October 11, 2012, 02:31:53 AM
No doubt that Mike's attention to detail is incredible. If he can work that magic with something so small, just think what he would do with a full scale model.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on October 12, 2012, 02:44:28 PM
Thanks again for the genuine and much appreciated feedback which I treasure,

Greetings,

A scale enthusiast present on another board has kindly provisioned me with scale Parnelli Jones Enterprises water slide decals, and hence a few can be seen on the model subject to change.  Notice the one image offset on the leading end of the hood, the example sited just before the Bud Moore Engineering logos on the door, and on the main headlamp plates besides.  Welly/GMP Trans Am BOSS 302 Mustangs are replete with quirks and inaccuracies, hence the inboard headlamps are tooled small of radius, effectively preventing the application of these otherwise correctly-sized decals.  Given they usually showed up only on the inboard lamp plates at most events from mid-season on, spreading out if you will to the outboard plates in late-season, the decals seen here on the outboard plates only would have to come off for the car was never seen in this specification.  

I really wished to eliminate the blue field 'Ford' quarter panel identification, desiring either blank or late-season white outline only logos.  It seems that at MIS the blue field markings were run, that at Mid-Ohio they may have been run again (although I suspect FoMoCo retouched select photos I've seen), whereas the quarters were largely blank until the last races of '69 whereupon the white outline 'Ford' identification appeared.  Anyhow, employing blank Fred Cady decal paper, I sprayed panels of the material with a coat of Tamiya Bright Red and then prepared still further panels with Tamiya Italian Red.  Testor's Decal Bonder was sprayed over the same as a fixative, whereas so translucent the results were that I opted to combine successive layers (the Bright Red shade being too light, the Italian Red hue being too dark) of each to better match the existing tone on the shell itself.  In short, fine tuning of the tone was achieved for blending what otherwise seemed a lame effort to create nontranslucent decals in two different tones.  I'm very surprised to note that the approach worked, and hence even the photo image (though of middling quality surely) doesn't strictly betray the presence of the overlay on the quarter panel just atop the white stripe.  

Other work mixed in includes the addition of hood pin scuff plates, the inclusion of a solitary wiper arm/blade assembly, the refinish of the front spoiler with it being painted Testor's Fabric Black for texture, plus the addition of later Welly interior door panels with window winders poised not to foul the driver if it could be helped.  Thanks and kind regards to the board...

Mike K.


(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/13a_zpsec029fda.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/13a_zpsec029fda.jpg.html)

...note 'PJ' markings forward of the BME identification on the top of the door.  And happily, the quarter panel Ford blue oval has simply vanished.  I do have white outline-only Ford ovals, hence pondering possibilities to model a late-season car.

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/13b_zps6743ebaf.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/13b_zps6743ebaf.jpg.html)

...a flood of the aforementioned Parnelli Jone's Enterprises decals are seen here, as well as the aforementioned hood pin scuff plates and the solitary wiper arm/blade assembly discreetly added.  The Testor's Fabric Black paint application to the front spoiler affords the same a bit greater definition, and is appreciated too.  I think I'll cover the late-season Union 76 globe and add the spelled-out UNION accessory decal just back and to the top of the Castrol shield, effectively committing to doing a fairly early season car for so doing.  
  
(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/13c_zps26a3a6e1.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/13c_zps26a3a6e1.jpg.html)

...in sum and at present.


M.K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on October 13, 2012, 06:47:38 AM
Mike, sounds like your next action item is to fabricate a new grille with the headlights in the proper scale!   ;D
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on October 27, 2012, 02:05:08 PM
Thanks for the kind input, the continuing attention paid...


Regret that I didn't identify or establish a race to replicate early on at this point, although I didn't realize that I could so effectively cover the clear-coated tampo accessory decals/markings seen on the shell to afford me such flexibility.  The decision then to do what would be a rough Bryar Park to St. Jovite spec. has been made, with the headlamp cover Parnelli Jones Enterprises decals being pulled clear.  A late-season spec. would have required chrome headlamp rings I do not have, still further livery changes, whereas other races demand ARE magnesium Trans Am/CP-200's, or at the very least a set for the rear.  A bit fatigued then, although with a spare '70 grille the undersized inner headlamp mounts present on the '69 could very likely be substituted for the properly-scaled '70 mounts.  A round file and careful work could have afforded a convincing assembly, although having exhausted the small supply of homespun PJ markings I had in my possession, I think I'll aim now simply to wrap this one up.  

Minor, near-invisible stuff done here.  Aforementioned PJ decals come off the front, Welly/GMP quadruple exhaust dumps removed to be cut and filed to leave only a single dump per bank.  Recovering and reusing the exhaust clamp detail for the sides that were cut and reshaped was no fun, nor was removing the entirety of the clamps though present, were not strictly needed.  The forward roll hoop structure has been added, the rear view mirror has been restored to its former place for discreet reemployment of the mount coming off of a much-trimmed headliner, whereas the electrical switchbox has been trimmed, painted, and set in place.  The pedals have been trimmed, a scratchbuilt accelerator pedal has been added, and the padding along the driver's side nearest the door has been installed employing electrical heat shrink tube secured with R/C aircraft vinyl tape.  Both Ford ovals on the quarter panel bottoms have been refinished and disguised with greater care again versus my earlier effort to make them vanish, whereas the 76 Union globes seen late season are gone, to be replaced with the UNION 76 markings seen well forward on each fender.  All this, and I can't imagine it looking so very different in photos.  Thanks and kind regards...


Mike K.

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/13d_zps948afb62.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/13d_zps948afb62.jpg.html)

M.K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on October 28, 2012, 07:48:48 PM
Mike, I can understand a bit of frustration about maybe not having an exact copy of the car for a specific race, particularly since by nature of what you do with these cars you are a "detail freak". However, the car really looks great and more than adequately captures the essence of Parnelli's car from that 1969 era. Job well done!
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on January 29, 2013, 09:11:20 PM
Greetings and thanks for the past and much appreciated feedback,

Only modest work to relate.  The 1:18th Sun Star-based Gray Ghost has been taken up again, with driver's side outboard rear view mirror removed and reset further forward. Drilling through the door casting was necessitated - this a laborious effort.  Pleased to note that drilling through the thick white metal/Zamac zinc-alloy shellmetal was possible, for both refueling ports will require a like effort.  A small cap is seen atop where the quarter panel will soon be drilled, although this will soon be removed to facilitate more thoroughgoing fabrication work in this regard.  A white swath of putty disguises the hole that remains from the original placement of the mirror.  Continuing, an interior rear view mirror has been added, this an 1:18th ERTL Authentics '67 Chevrolet Impala SS427 item.  The Wink multi-element interior rear view mirror currently fitted to the vehicle seems to have been added post-1971, so out it must go.  Unless it arrived in time for the '71 MIS race, I've not found proof it was ever in place in-period.  

A preliminary driveshaft tunnel 'bump' is seen with built up shift surround plus a 1:18th Lane Firebird shift lever - not perfect, but what I have to work with.  A new interior floor must be scratchbuilt, for the textured surface, seat installation holes and general poor presentation precludes rehabilitation and reuse of the same.  The aluminum rear bulkhead is taking shape, although on the search I am for a very small and precise sheet metal brake to allow the most careful shaping of such.  

Further items added include fitting a dashboard, plus the shaving off of the GTO crest seen atop the glovebox now without a glovebox door.  Some inner panel work needs to be added to the glovebox compartment complete with a CDI unit cast in resin and waiting for finish and fitting.  A second-generation Trans Am Firebird steering wheel has been added, although the honeycomb decorative center cap has been ground away, the center opened and retention bolt holes drilled around the periphery of the same - the wheel generally looks right.  A 1:18th Lane '68 Firebird steering console has been fitted, although the tilt column detail must still be factored in.  The dash pad (abbreviated and such as it was in '64) has been ground down and hence removed, whereas the instrument cluster 'sheet' as well as minor control switch panel to the right and bottom of it has further been added.  All of this is largely invisible, although affording updates helps me on some level do understand.  Kind regards to the community...

Mike K.

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/13e_zpse984e747.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/13e_zpse984e747.jpg.html)
(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/13f_zpsb2c7f063.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/13f_zpsb2c7f063.jpg.html)

M.K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on February 01, 2013, 04:08:52 PM
Coming along nicely, Mike. An impressive amount of work done and details tended to. Thanks a lot for the update.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on February 01, 2013, 04:42:28 PM
Greetings,

Short update - seat fabrication then.  Only one period image exists (to my knowledge) of the fabricated seat fitted to the Gray Ghost, whereas what is seen is an extrapolation of what rude outlines can be discerned from that image.  Some other images might better communicate the shape and dimensions of the headrest, whereas some structure needs to be added both along the back as well as on the bottom in terms of fabbing proper seat mounts.  I assume here a collection of aluminum panels with some reinforcement, complete with inlaid cushions/padding.  The thickness (front to back then) of the side bolster additions alters in appearance depending upon the perspective of the viewer, whereas appreciate that the layered in 'padding' is here done in sheet plastic that suggests the seat shell is shallower than it is in fact.  Not terrible, wherea the new floor is a crude cutout at this point in time.  Given the dreary non-detail of the stock floor, any way forward is 'up'.  Thanks...

Mike K.

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/13g_zpsba88d20a.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/13g_zpsba88d20a.jpg.html)

M.K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on February 02, 2013, 04:43:21 PM
Nice build from scratch on the seat. It seems to my eye that the front/top edge of the side bolsters is more gently rounded on your version versus what in the photo seen in the magazine article but sometimes pictures and angles can be deceiving. I look forward to seeing how the floor turns out. That will be a challenge, to say the least. Thanks again for sharing the picture.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on February 02, 2013, 07:31:59 PM
Nice build from scratch on the seat. It seems to my eye that the front/top edge of the side bolsters is more gently rounded on your version versus what in the photo seen in the magazine article but sometimes pictures and angles can be deceiving. I look forward to seeing how the floor turns out. That will be a challenge, to say the least. Thanks again for sharing the picture.

The side bolster profiles indeed are not first in class; i.e. too shallow, wrong contour across the tops, etc.  The best thing about scratchbuilding is that nothing is fundamentally risked if matters fail to work out across the first (or several) attempt or attempts.  The floor cutouts will be traced with the tracing employed to create first file card and then thin plastic templates to ensure tight fit, then mastered on a slightly thicker material.  I doubt the interior can look as nice as the 1:25th effort, although I'll try.  Thanks for the engaged feedback...

Mike K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on February 03, 2013, 07:44:50 PM
Greetings,

A seen from space view to allow a primitive 'point and shoot' digital camera to focus upon such, but a seat with revised (thicker dimensionally front-to-back w/revised top contour/profile) bolster detail for your delectation.  Note how a funky midcentury modern lamp affords a surface of the moon backdrop.  Painted wheels, but now pondering the refinish of the same for indeed - likely a DOW 7 finish and not nearly so dark - thanks C.R.!  


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...better, although pad still a bit long front-to-back on base, whereas sides not quite as well matched as they ought to be.  

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/13j_zps3330ca1b.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/13j_zps3330ca1b.jpg.html)

...front grease caps seen (mastered one, now duplicates in resin), axle shaft ends seen as well.  Wheel finish reference above - another goof.

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/13k_zpsbec19fe9.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/13k_zpsbec19fe9.jpg.html)

...seat temporarily in place.

Thanks for the kind continuing interest displayed...


Mike K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Bruce302 on February 04, 2013, 05:59:19 AM
Fantastic work Mike. I love watching your models progress. Thanks.
Bruce.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on February 06, 2013, 04:31:02 PM
Thanks again for the kind words and interest,

Experimenting with wheel finishes - slightly off again, albeit better.  Both front and rear Pontiac arrowhead emblems were ground down and off as witnessed on both the hood and deck lid, with respect paid to maintain the panel contour and/or character line beneath.  The trace outlines of each respective hood scoop have been further filed down, whereas a guide coat of primer has been applied.  Some work to do here still, working deliberately lest damaged be incurred for being too aggressive.  The flares were painted quickly just to see how they might integrate with the surrounding panelwork, whereas when the body is stripped, each will be glued fast and puttied in to afford a clean transition.  And lastly, the refueling ports have been drilled into the quarter panels - these perhaps a bit small.  Not the best scale photography by any measure - my apologies that the contrast is so poor in particular. Thanks...

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/13L_zps555e04c1.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/13L_zps555e04c1.jpg.html)
(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/13m_zpsbec19fe9.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/13m_zpsbec19fe9.jpg.html)

Mike K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on February 09, 2013, 05:33:49 AM
Mike, to me it seems like the wheels essentially had black spokes, if you reference the pictures below.
The repaint makes them look blue/gray now although the flash from your camera may be altering the true color.

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/June%202012/GG1.jpg)
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on February 09, 2013, 05:33:19 PM
Thanks for the feedback,

Confused myself regarding the appearance of these wheels early-season!  Afforded a blown up image of the Gray Ghost at Bryar, what is seen below is one of the few color images of the topic I can refer to.  One could also say that heavy brake dusting could alter the appearance of what might have been a proper paint finish (if not overlaid onto some iteration of DOW 7), whereas what you'd make of what is reproduced below would be appreciated.  I printed off a photocopy of the same and tried to finish match based upon what I could see, while I was surprised to come back to the blue/gray finish that appears darker when not so directly illuminated via the use of a flash.  I still think I need to come up with something better, and with many a military and railroad hobby shop nearabouts me, perhaps I can tap the talent of men who 'see' 76 shades of gray/violet/blue/green?  Just curious then, whereas I'd really welcome any feedback as to what you'd make of this image.  

Just mulling, but it would be nice to technologically overhaul my stab at scale photography for my efforts aren't cutting the mustard!  Oh - and in other news, I'm making a second attempt at the front flares, reducing the extent to which they extend forward and down in terms of mass, etc.  I hope they will translate into an improvement. Kind regards...

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/14a_zps1608a011.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/14a_zps1608a011.jpg.html)

Mike K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on February 10, 2013, 08:44:44 PM
Mike, it's very hard to say based on that new photo alone. The true color of the spokes could be affected by an accumulation of brake dust. I think it you went with some kind of semi glass black paint on the spokes, that would seem most logical. I suppose even making the spokes flat black might be suitable as well. My thought about the blue-gray is it just doesn't seem right nor would any slight variation on that color combo seem right.

That new photo of yours does show some good detail as to how the front flares should be shaped and I agree with your assessment that the front flares on your model need a bit of reshaping/trimming. Also, looking at the shape of the rear flares, you have basically a straight line going across above the wheel rim and that should have a bit of a gentle arch to it.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on February 10, 2013, 09:10:05 PM
Thanks for your kind input.  

Maybe a better shot of the rear flares.  Given I tried to correct the fronts (which are better now), the rears could be likewise be redone.  It appears I filed off too much material from the shell - especially aft of the rear opening.  All the wheel arches were filed out of the shell before a visit to the actual vehicle was revealed to be feasible, hence another body might be on order.  The shape of the panel work that would need to be built up isn't too sophisticated, hence sheet plastic laid in along with putty work might alter matters for the good.  At present, all the flares are held in with white glue to facilitate revisions and rethinking of what requires such.  

My previous Minilite coating effort in black was intended as a matt finish, although such didn't exactly spring forth from the can.  I'll try this again with a more appropriate finish, switching brands to mix matters up.  Thanks...

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/14b_zps323b8bcf.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/14b_zps323b8bcf.jpg.html)
(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/14c_zpsfcfaca8a.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/14c_zpsfcfaca8a.jpg.html)
...almost impossible to discern what has been done here.  Slightly greater mass on the top of the flare, and hinging further outward.  Better control of flare opening shape, consistently rounder outer contour too it does seem.  


Mike
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on February 12, 2013, 04:25:21 PM
Hello,

Studying photographs suggested that my flare was too short end to end.  I didn't want to create a new flare, hence two castings were joined to expand out the profile a bit.  I should be able to come closer to the wheelarch opening profile that seems akin to an egg viewed in profile and shaved at the base.  For other photos it is noticed that each opening profile is subtly different - rather like a hand formed body done off of a mahogany buck not strictly matched left side to  right side.  I have enough material to illuminate such subtleties, hence there is no need to make quick work of what can be performed and reproduced accurately.  Thanks...

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/14d_zpsc9611a43.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/14d_zpsc9611a43.jpg.html)

...a progression of sorts top to bottom.  The bottommost flare is a raw casting and doesn't reflect the final look of anything.

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/14e_zpsded6fd46.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/14e_zpsded6fd46.jpg.html)

...very quickly set in place; i.e. just roughly overlaid atop the surrounding metal and not even square.  Faint inkmarks suggest what metalwork is slated to be removed, whereas I anticipate filing a small notch into the body just atop the character line delineating the rocker area both front and back of arch.  Such should ease the transition between the flare and the shell, and will likely result in a more robust overall assembly.   Doubling up the front flares to increase their length and alter/improve how they blend into the surrounding metal is next up.  In weeks it ought to look far better.  Thanks...

P.S. The wheel have been refinished - this time an ashy flat black with less of a violet/purple hue in evidence.  A railroad hobby store afforded such.  


Mike K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on February 14, 2013, 01:48:07 PM
Some nice improvements, Mike. Looking better all the time. Thanks for sharing the details with us.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on February 16, 2013, 04:51:42 PM
Hello,

Please forgive the repetition on view. Here the flares are lengthened for employing two castings and extending each across the center, whereas the ends of the front flares in particular have been shaved down considerably.  Filing of the Zamac shell wheelarches this time included the creation of small notches atop the character line just atop the rocker panels allows the flares blend into the shell far better now, while each is held in place with only white glue.  I may opt to do up yet another set of rear flares for the opening of each seems a bit high.  In sum, I so wish to be done with this aspect of the project.  

The last photo is a quick collection of parts gathered together approximating some eventual '70 T/G Racing Jerry Titus effort, and yes - it does have four 'rear' tires.  I would hope to do an example with the odd full-length exhaust, aqua-painted Minilites, and flares front and (ugh!) rear irrespective of the aesthetically-challenged nature of the latter.  Thanks...

Mike K.  

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/14f_zps3b44fec4.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/14f_zps3b44fec4.jpg.html)
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(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/14h_zps8dbed4f4.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/14h_zps8dbed4f4.jpg.html)
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M.K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: cuda48 on February 16, 2013, 05:34:12 PM
Nice job Mike,
But I agree with Jon, the wheel spokes look right when they are black.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on February 23, 2013, 07:02:29 PM
Greetings,

Scarcely different this, and yet very labor-intensive to achieve.  Judging the opening too high and of wrong contour, one rear flare was taken aside and combined with another flare casting to effectively add material beneath what couldn't otherwise be corrected.  Much filler, much glue required to fill the unsightly gap between the two flares (one a rear, the other shoved in from beneath, a trimmed front flare heated in water to render it suitably pliable).  A mold was made of the result, and later two flares were cast employing this so as to afford myself whatever latitude was needed to sand and file up to the correct contour.  Once one acquires a bit of experience with resin, the possibilities of gluing seven or eight odd items together and creating a urethane mold of the result becomes compelling; i.e. evidence of odd justifications and unlikely fab. work vanish as all the disparate bits 'become one'.  

Although implied, filing out the material behind the flare to afford room for the rolling stock isn't fun given the flare was born as a casting and yet must function as something fabricated with a very tiny English wheel - wouldn't such be fun?  Worried for the front flares (at least the driver's side) may require like overhaul.  Wheels dark again - but for how long?  One photo only, for your day does not revolve around such posts.  With lasting kind regards to the community...

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Mike K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on February 24, 2013, 06:42:03 AM
Painstaking work Mike but the model is becoming better for it. Kudos to you for taking the extra time with it.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: group/7 on February 24, 2013, 03:40:17 PM
mike, have meant to comment on your efforts posted here before, great work ! metal is more difficult to work than plastic which is my medium. zamac is pretty fragile is it not ? I wondered if you were going to do the full length exhaust on the titus firebird. I guess that system gave better flow. I have only seen a couple of pictures that show it.

  mike s.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on February 24, 2013, 08:12:45 PM
Thanks for the kind feedback,

Long ago (in my teens actually) I hoped to do the entire '70 grid in 1:24th/1:25th and started collecting parts.  Bits and pieces of the Jo-Han Javelins are still in my possession, but most everything else was eventually sold or moved on.  1:24th/1:25th is, by contrast to 1:18th, so much better supported in terms of parts and accessories, whereas what takes me weeks can be done with greater speed if the shell is cast of more easily fashioned styrene plastic.  For the RKE, the Penske and later ARA/RWR Javelins in scale, there's no other way (as you well know), and at some point I'll dedicate further time to replicas based upon these traditional Jo-Han tools.  I suspect I might start with promotional model bodies for the '68 and '69 RKE Javelins if only to take advantage of the better plastic employed in their creation.  If it tells you anything, I've been gifted unassembled plastic kits partially out of pity from kind individuals that wish for me to experience the joy of a quick build, a quick turn around...

Indeed - Zamac isn't much fun to work with. Heavy and brittle - the 'plastic people' have it better!  Back to Zamac, perhaps a small advantage afforded to model enthusiast is that it files and shapes so very slowly - a quality that suits 'slow me'.  Some 1:1 body supplies likely work better with it, whereas maybe too the overall assembly won't be quite as delicate as the usual plastic kit.  The Sun Star-based Gray Ghost in particular terrifies me, for the roof is plastic and non-structural.  Nothing but the tiny sills hold the front to the rear of the car, and so worried I've been that metal fatigue will reduce this project to so much scale junk.  It was a bold leap to even try doing the flares on this shell, for it was about the least likely success story I could have scripted.  At present it seems strong - definitely not a old-school Welly, whereas I think it will be safe across years.  

No - I don't have profound justification to afford to relate just why I bear the cross of 1:18th.  In grad. school I worked in a Detroit-area automobilia store that sold much in the way of 1:18th prefinished and preassembled diecast and little in the form of 1:25th unassembled plastic kits.  I was a terribly frustrated 1:25th 'plastic person' always building above my level and finishing precious little.  For being situated, for being in the presence of enthusiasts who'd buy something 'out of the box' and display it, occasion would arise to 'seal a sale' for doing discrete mods. of soon-to-be customer cars.  

Strange to relate that so many contemporary customers wouldn't dare purchase and build a plastic kit, whereas the backlash on the part of 'plastic people' decrying the loss of a skills base for the 'laziness' of 1:18th pre-assembled and pre-finished enthusiast base is something I still regard as valid - in part.  Personally, I don't believe anyone is so well-served if only a builder can reap the rewards of having the skills to create the art.  Less of an issue now, those who've only just arrived to the dying 1:18th market missed a broad period of poor quality product that was indifferently researched.  I suppose for carrying in a certain sensitivity (this informed by a broad collection of period racing books and magazines), I felt less overawed by the $30-$120 1:18th models we then sold and simply gave them a whack for addressing many a problem noticed.  For taking a model home for some limited conversion, maybe I'd be 85% satisfied something would be 'right', whereas customers often afforded encouragement and topic-rooted feedback that translated into validation for the effort made.  Observing the length of this thread, clearly I still value such.   

Confidence partially restored, I found the strictly limited nature of the mods. undertaken comforting; i.e. 'it was nice before, and now it's better' - and the world didn't end if I gave the effort up and returned to my starting point.  The GMP Penske Camaros came along and needed help here and there - and so I tried those.  The Welly/GMP BOSS 302's needed a LOT of help - and so I tried those.  Given my background, it seemed a natural to continue on with discreet mods. extending out across the spectrum to embrace more thoroughgoing projects.  I suppose I could reach for an old 1:25th MPC '70 Firebird Trans Am tool to do a proper T/G Firebird, but something inside tells me to embrace the possibilities of doing the same in 1:18th.  Regarding the 1:18th diecast efforts I've undertaken, response at area shows has been decidedly mixed. People who engage me in conversation understand and appreciate that such is 'my thing', although the 'plastic people' are often cool.  Same skill set, same passion, an analogous motivation to produce something of quality - or so I say!  

The '70 Titus Firebird indeed will have the full-length exhaust, whereas but for a few recent online discoveries, I hadn't suspected that the normal spec. of the Titus-driven car was this way more often than not.  Although not desiring to be strictly morbid, the Michael Lamm title 'The Fabulous Firebird' contains an image of crumpled T/G Firebird exhausted against the bridge abutment which took his life, and there too can be seen the full length exhaust exiting out the back and left.  I've been surprised to notice that the aqua-painted Minilites didn't strictly vanish post-Laguna Seca, hence these too will be seen.  Thanks for your interest...

Mike K.

Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on February 26, 2013, 05:24:55 AM
Mike, I didn't know the 1:18 market is dying. Honestly, I haven't been following it very closely. Still seems like you see a lot of it but maybe not too much in the way of new releases.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on February 26, 2013, 04:50:23 PM
Hi,

Just in short, economic development in China translatable as growing internal demand for goods and services in addition to their established and ever-expanding export 'workshop of the world' production is driving up costs with regards to both materials and labor.  Suppliers, existing firms formerly content to fulfill aspects of the production process aren't content to produce comparatively inexpensive replicas/toys if they can seize opportunity to move up the supply chain.  Workers too move up and out reflecting the human capital face of these same trends.  For many firms attempting to tool and manufacture diecast models withing such an environment, the ground is shifting beneath their feet.  

At present the market is shifting upward, with $150-$300+ becoming the new norm - come what may to the bottom of the market that will not be provisioned new tools.  Some old ERTL tooling is dusted off and mildly updated to afford better quality rereleases in attractive packaging, etc., but in essence the bottom of the market is slowly being abandoned.  Firms such as CMC, the resin-bodied product of Spark, etc. constitute the present and likely the future too.  Product planning of such firms anticipate fewer sales priced to amortize tooling costs with ever greater speed.  

Hobby shops and boutique outlets are now inured to the reality of release prices shifting upwards two or three times before (and if) product finally emerges.  How many people will buy a $500 diecast model of a fetching 1:18 Donohue Camaro?  We may well see - this the hobby manifestation of a certain deepening and globally-sourced class divide.  As anyone and everyone knew, drawing materials and labor from a less-developed country to serve the consumption needs of the more developed world was only going to go on just so long.

Firms such as Hwy. 61 have ceased production, GMP closed shop in the wake of a bank shake up impacting their lines of credit, and other players too have faded from the scene.  Sun Star has produced some exemplary late '50's and early '60's American topics, but as you've noticed, the comparative flood of product witnessed in the mid-1990's has clearly ebbed.  Thanks and kind regards...

Mike K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on February 27, 2013, 05:31:18 AM
Thanks for the further insight. I just have not been devoting attention to diecasts or models in general. I had no idea GMP went under, or Hwy 61 for that matter. Wow, I really am out of touch.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on February 28, 2013, 06:11:02 PM
Thanks for the kind feedback/responses,

The fabricated inner aprons are beginning to take shape here.  Though invisible to the viewer, four holes have been drilled atop each well forwards - these intended to accommodate a spark plug when readings would be performed.  Tops and some inlet detail added to the oil coolers, with visually undetectable weld beads added.  One cuts out some round plastic stock to use as an applicator (for toothpicks are porous and absorb glue, this equating to poor consistency of application and/or control), and then applies a succession of overlapping beads as required.  Hardly final, whereas revisions and fill panels require fabrication and fitting yet.  

The fuzzy front three-quarter image depicts the new and elongated flares created for joining two, with the body filed to accommodate such.  The inaccurate 1:18th GMP '67 Penske Camaro chromed air cleaner has been replaced, with a lid cut apart and away from a 1:18th Hwy. 61 '69 Camaro Z/28 substituted and affording a fair AC filter top appearance.  Removing the '302 Turbofire' with too hot nail polish remover burned the plastic horribly, although given the shape was rendered too sharply anyhow, sanding and softening of the contours of the same salvaged matters for the better.  The base of this assembly stands to be wholly redone for never was what I created in this regard good, while I may still find a 1:18th GMP '70 GTO assembly to substitute in entire.  Thanks...

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...the discreet ink pen marks indicate material slated to be removed.  Rather like assembly line end quality control, messages to self that equate to work required to even matters up.  


Mike K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on March 05, 2013, 05:44:35 AM
Mike, the front flares are seemingly better even though you have some more work to be done on them. Did the Tempest actually run fabricated inner fenderwells back in '71? If I knew, I have forgotten.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on March 08, 2013, 05:35:10 AM
Well, I went and looked around and sure enough in the July '71 issue of Motor Trend there is a picture of the Tempest's engine compartment from the Lime Rock Trans-Am.
It does appear to have the "homemade" inner fenderwells, which seems a bit of a surprise to me.

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Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on March 08, 2013, 07:27:55 PM
Hi Jon,

Thanks - finding and posting such was very kind of you.  I had the same once before, lost my collection of Motor Trend, copied the same article from an archive, and recently found another copy - albeit the image is tiny as you know.  To my knowledge, such is the only in-period engine compartment shot of the car.  I study the same, hoping dearly that what is black and white might convert to a color image.  The recently taken photos of the car displays roughly the same and predictably, somewhat worse for wear too. The panel work has been cut to facilitate the fitting of brake cooling ducts routed from the inboard headlamps, and though such was legal in '71, nothing confirms such was ever used during the single season the car was campaigned in the Trans Am.  

Hoping very much to secure the incomplete remains of a 1:18th GMP '70 GTO which could afford either just the air cleaner and fresh air metal stamping plus seal, or the entire driveline if this might be superior to the Lane tool.  It seems they clipped the base a bit near the outboard circles that otherwise would form a seal to the twin scoops beneath the '70 hood.  Not at all certain I can successfully perform such, but I do have a 1:18th ERTL Authentics '67 Impala SS as a parts car that may (or may not) yield up proper scissor hinges for the hood, as well as better door hinges.  The hood hinges would be combined with a new firewall with an indentation reflecting the engine setback and the cowl fresh air cutout not yet seen on the model.  Room will be tight underneath the hood 'stamping' for I'm working with a hopelessly thick casting instead!  Regarding the doors and hinge assemblies, it seems I'll need to do something in this respect for the dog-leg hinges on the model fundamentally interfere with the yet to be fabricated roll cage members stretching forward and behind each respective A-pillar.  I've done them in brass to establish the dimensions and angles needed, although absent proper hinge work, I'm reluctant to final fab. these.  

Lastly, I'm rebuilding the front left flare to 'add length' much as I did on the rear, although I do believe I'll retain the profile and shape of the front right.  Still going then. Thanks again...

Mike K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on March 09, 2013, 06:15:55 AM
Mike, I very glad my posting of that photo was very helpful to you. I had not stopped to consider how the design of the roll cage might interfere with the door hinges on this car. There have been a number of headaches as you have moved from one thing to another on this model but I'm glad you are sticking with it.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on March 11, 2013, 07:24:03 PM
Thanks again for the interest, the kind feedback,

Pleased to report that a 1:18th GMP 1970 GTO parts car has been secured under very generous terms that require that I only cover shipping.  Concerning the tool, of particular interest is the engine and fresh air system, with the former possibly coming as tooled with Ram Air IV heads, while the air cleaner and seal seen in the photograph is clearly a far better basis from which to work as contrasted to what it will replace.  

The firewall was cut clear out of the shell 1964 Tempest just yesterday, permitting the fabrication of an entirely new assembly absent any evidence of the awful dog leg hinges such came through with.  A collection of photographs of a stripped down '64 Tempest shell has been downloaded, the effort facilitated for typing 'rust-free shell 1964 Tempest' into an online image search.  For some Pontiac custom fans, their exists something of a cult of having a smooth firewall with scarcely a thing on it, hence complex contours witnessed are few.  A wiper motor, the distinctive twin remote oil filter setup, a plug atop the heater core, etc. will be required, but in total little should provide too terrible a challenge.  The racing cowl induction setup will be reproduced in full, with all seals, etc. on the firewall and what I might be able to reproduce beneath the hood given scant clearance.  

1:18th ERTL American Muscle 1967 Impala SS scissor hood hinges will be fit to the model, while I intend to do a larger two-piece mold for the hood to reproduce the same in lighter resin.  Such will stress the hinges less, whereas otherwise I doubt very much that a bond could be made to hold between the hinges and the edge of panel they support.  Door hinges will be scratchbuilt, although it will likely take until spring before I might make an inspection of an actual 1964 Tempest/GTO to establish what I'll need to scratchbuild here.  1:25th custom model enthusiasts and builders fabricate hinges all the time, whereas for working in the larger scale I ought to have few excuses to at least equal their efforts.  Kind regards to the community.  

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...underhood of a standard 1:18th GMP 1970 Pontiac GTO Ram Air IV.  Quite good!  


Mike K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on March 17, 2013, 07:57:54 PM
Greetings,

The 1:18th GMP '70 GTO parts car arrived, with items so-afforded being blended into the project where and when the suit.  The firewall has been cut out of the '64 Sun Star Tempest/GTO, with a scratch-built unit taking shape as can be seen.  The engine set-back necessitated firewall cutout affording clearance for such is yet to come, whereas the throttle bell crank should be possible.  The home-brewed cowl induction 'system' may be seen taking shape, whereas a wiper motor from the 1:18 ERTL American Muscle '67 Impala SS will be added.  

Although not final, the 1:18th GMP '70 GTO fresh air seal and base was combined with the 1:18th Hwy. 61 '69 Camaro air filter which still proves a better shape, whereas the valve covers and front accessory drive were likewise isolated and substituted in.  One might also notice the upper control arms and the extent of the frame which rises above a flat plane removed from the GMP tool and slated to be likewise added.  Clearance pockets for the upper control arms have not yet been cut into the inner fender assemblies which aren't final either. Though impossible to make out here, each upper control arm is held in with a pin that enables each to pivot and swing in accordance with its function, while shock detail, ball joint detail and the fact that each control arm seems to been painted silver will make all of this stand out - in time.  

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...the top pulley was sanded from behind to convert the two-channel/two-belt pulley to a single-channel/single-belt version as per the actual car.  The GMP '70 GTO pulley was also larger of diameter, again better reflecting what was employed on the Pontiac V8.  

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...very poorly illuminated this, nevertheless a view of the fuel cell inlet taking shape.  Thanks...


Mike K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on March 19, 2013, 09:44:56 PM
Hello,

Modest update depicting fabricated inner wings being shaped and sized.  Full-length top-to-bottom nearest the radiator support, tapering a bit towards the rear, plus slightly stylized control arm cutouts for each side.  The opening for the hinges will be enlarged, while the bend nearest the firewall on each inner wing will be fabricated and added soon.  Not terrible as a baseline.  One notices four holes drilled atop each assembly, these positioned well forward.  It is my understanding that one could remove spark plugs and situate them within these holes as needed.  Thanks...

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Mike K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on March 20, 2013, 05:08:06 AM
Mike, your latest work is really paying off. I'm liking how things are turning out. It is really picking up the flavor of the real car, in my opinion.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on March 23, 2013, 02:48:29 PM
Greetings,

Only modest changes will be noticed even for the considerable labor required to afford such.  The foam cold air seal ring was trimmed to reflect the revisions made to the 1:1 item for use on the Gray Ghost, but pity I misjudged and cut carelessly.  Further, I could not determine how to reduce the height of the seal which needed to be at best one-third as tall as the stock seal.  Perplexed, I opted to create a mold of the seal, to latter sand and shape the result pulled from it for use here.  The casting was mounted on a round plug to stabilize it as I went about the process of both thinning the part top to bottom and shaping with care the areas the otherwise would be the two smaller circles that blend into the cold air seal as per stock.  A good result achieved, but very very tedious...

The original firewall structure has been reintroduced to the work after first sanding off the face of the same and filing in the opening necessary for the home-brewed cowl induction setup.  What was an empty void behind the fabricated firewall is no longer.  For reemploying the structure, the forward end of the roof assembly can be positively sited, as can be the dashboard that now reappears on the work.  A seal is further seen on the firewall, as well as structure to support the brake master cylinder.  The black box to the top right of the firewall is a wiper motor.  Thanks...

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Mike K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on March 28, 2013, 10:51:35 PM
Greetings,

Perhaps not enthrallling, but how engine setback is accommodated in 1:18th scale.  Plastic sheet in two thicknesses, with the weld bead clear nail polish applied thin on the edges that meet, and rather thick consistent with pushing the material out from behind.  The heater core cover is also new (it seemed fabricated rather than a delete plate), whereas left of the cowl seal is where fuel is routed to the carburetor.  Concerning the firewall - more exciting seams and bumps to follow.

Though not witnessed here, the accessory drive configuration has been altered to the extent that the alternator has been repositioned to the left and down, while I'm trying to source fanbelts both small and large enough to suit the application.  Odd setup in use whereby the top pulley and bottom run in tandem for the use of a single belt, whereas a second pulley 'row' is employed on the bottom to run the alternator without 'involving' the top pulley at all.  Well - that's how I discern matters in the period photo seen above!  Pushing the bottom pullies outward required some analysis, such which revealed that no harmonic balancer was present on the scale representation of the Pontiac V8 employed.  For scratchbuilding the same, problem solved...  

I've gathered material to scratchbuilt a Edelbrock R4B intake which is a dual-plane design appearing very much like a squashed octopus when viewed from above.  As contrasted to the intake seen on the '72 Adams/Milt Minter Firebird which appears very modern by way of contrast, this earlier design is and will be very 'old school'.  At first the GMP intake seemed something I could use, then something I could modify, whereas now it will serve as a dimensional template.  Why all the fuss?  This I cannot tell you.  Thanks...

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Mike K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on March 31, 2013, 05:35:22 AM
Mike, I would agree that it looks like the alternator pulley is driven off the crank without involving the
water pump pulley. Pretty odd in comparison to what is normally seen. I can't believe you are scratch
building an intake manifold. Wow! My hat is off to you.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on April 01, 2013, 06:37:07 PM
Thanks for the kind notice,

... the intake is well underway.  Mounting flanges and base recycled from 1:18th GMP '70 GTO, whereas the individual levels of the two-plane design constitute two layers of plastic sheet shaped to suit.  A base for the water inlet was taken from the 1:18th ERTL Authentics '67 Impala SS and reused here, whereas most everything else was blended together for the use of putty.  Though a bit muddy in the photo image provided, the cast-in manifold heat passage has been added, while 'burning it' together via the use of clear lacquer discolored matters a bit.  When a mold is made of this, all should blend together in an agreeable fashion.

The carburetor base combines two castings formerly scratchbuilt to reproduce a fair Hurst S/S AMX cross ram intake.  The rear of the manifold flanges required sectioning in of material to reproduce the solid contour seen in the photo atop the model, whereas other discreet additions will in all likelihood bring it to life.  I may cover the part with a dusting of baking soda scattered atop a layer of clear to afford the entire assembly a bit of surface texture.  

This prototype is a bit raw, whereas modest additional detail will be added including attachment points for hardware, linkages, etc.  For use on the '70-'71 season Pontiacs then, hence one for the '70 T/G Firebird (with hack and slash mods. for the first race if I so choose given they tried to slip a short deck block past tech.), one for the Gray Ghost, and perhaps one for a B.F. Goodrich Radial 'Tirebird' if such is ever attempted.  Proceeding ahead then.

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Mike K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on April 02, 2013, 11:55:27 PM
Very impressive, Mike. All I can say is "Wow!" again.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on April 07, 2013, 07:37:04 PM
Thanks for the kind interest,

An attempt here to reproduce some detail seen on the 1:25th plastic version of the Gray Ghost a while back, for I've created a mold of the grille sans identification, creating two in total, and have flattened the profile of the front bumper (as opposed to the 'vee' as per stock).  Further, the opening witnessed within and across the front bumper ought to have continued both straight and flat where the license plate mount is seen, and hence what additional material rose above this opening has since been trimmed back.  

A bit of a muddle at present for the result appears as menacing as a slow-moving nurse shark.  Clearly the bumper needs to be both raised and pulled further back into the panel work, but strangely meek it appears in total.  I'm sure it was the right choice to make, whereas filing off and rebuilding the Pontiac 'beak' on a slight diminishing angle will help consolidate matters visually.  It seems Trans-Action (the official name of the team then) had an eye on the Holman and Moody Torino Talledegas to the extent of discreetly cleaning up the profile up front.  

In other news, the resin intake was added, further refinement of the upper control arm mounts and blending of the chassis to the added GMP '70 GTO items is in process, while an incongruous Orbit Orange painted hood tachometer pod replaces the Lane '68 Firebird part.  Kind regards to the community with much appreciation...

Mike K.

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...before, and such will look better for the front bumper is body color and the grilles reflect back a chrome finish.  The standard grilles are in fact stamped aluminum, hence no profound worry that I'll not be able to strictly see to this via the use of Alclad lacquer.

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...slightly underwhelming, if not slightly dumpy.  The bumper will move up a bit, and further back surely.  The 'loss' of finishes detracts from what work was in point of fact done, while looking at now-prominent 'beak' suggests a nose job is surely in the offing...

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...still requiring some work to clean up the side indicator pockets wish bear evidence of unneeded extra material.  The headrest is too wide as well - this slated to shrink from side-to-side.  The resin intake pokes through, while yes - I do have to reduce the height of everything to ensure the hood may close, etc.  


Mike K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on April 13, 2013, 03:54:36 PM
Greetings,

A happy discovery here and update of something I felt settled, done, finished, etc.  Some firm known as Pegasus Model Accessories also does turned aluminum wheels in scale, whereas product #2399 23" Aluminum Stepped Sleeves replace the previous aluminum wheel lips employed.  Such feature a less fussy lip design, are agreeably tapered, and may have been fabricated from harder stock in point of fact.  

The previous effort cost about $45 spread across two applications/models and largely extinct on the market, whereas these are $9.99 the set and gasp, are available! Further, the slightly oversized diameter issue suggesting I'd 'upgraded' (not desired this) to 16" rims vanishes for the replacements are incrementally smaller in diameter - this judged good too.  Yes - the 'beak job' is coming - I promise!  Examining the final Mid-Ohio image suggests a very non-stock angle, hence all will be corrected and/or seen to.  Thanks...

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/15n_zpse41a6aed.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/15n_zpse41a6aed.jpg.html)
(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/15p_zpsc2e621b4.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/15p_zpsc2e621b4.jpg.html)
(http://images61.fotki.com/v546/photos/9/1203159/10816618/Newouterrimswheelarches004-vi.jpg)

Very subtle front bumper mount work, witnessing the further tucking in of the assembly relative to the panelwork.  

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/15q_zpscac0fc1a.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/15q_zpscac0fc1a.jpg.html)
(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/15r_zps68c33c25.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/15r_zps68c33c25.jpg.html)
(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/8x_zps3bb961ce.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/8x_zps3bb961ce.jpg.html)

For near-endless revision of the 1:18th wheel arches, the shortcomings of the 1:25th resin-bodied version suddenly came into focus resulting in this update.  Taller and wider openings now both front and rear, and given the materials work quickly, this done in about forty minutes total.  So soon from now I'll attend a local club meeting where plastic is extolled and diecast is loathed, hence I sense that both projects should be displayed to quell quibbles.  The fueling port on the resin model is approximately right, whereas the 1:18th effort clearly needs to grow.  Thanks...


Mike K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on April 20, 2013, 02:47:30 PM
Greetings,

A modest update - minor tweaking then.  The straight profile of the front bumper seemed off, looking particularly lifeless.  Others commented about the same, and while I didn't think I had sufficient material to do it, for reintroducing the profile I was simultaneously called upon to narrow the entire bumper assembly.  This effort had the effect of tucking in the ends and is consistent with cleaning up the frontal profile in a way that seems believable.  The mods. whisper 'factory car' to this enthusiast, although in truth I'm not sure if there was so very much done to the 1:1 vehicle in this respect.  So - narrower, pulled inward slightly, as well as upward and bending down slightly for how it is mounted.  Better I do believe.

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/16a_zps93fbacd7.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/16a_zps93fbacd7.jpg.html)
(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/16b_zps0cffbdc7.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/16b_zps0cffbdc7.jpg.html)

Not breathtaking, but a new air filter element and base is in place, taken from the 1:18 ERTL Authentic's 1967 Camaro Z/28.  The height of the entire induction system including the cold air seal and cold air seal base has been reduced and is far better than before.  The photo images are not of sufficient quality to detect much has been done.

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/16c_zps7371874d.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/16c_zps7371874d.jpg.html)

Oh, and a bit of latter-day forced perspective fun - pretending if you will that the smaller resin 1:25th version and the larger 1:18th rendition are equal in size.  The aqua-painted wheels reflect a later season spec., whereas the hood tachometer pod will have to be pulled.  Oh, and yes - the radiator support does tilt a bit inward from the bottom, although a touch exaggerated on the 1:25th model at present which features revised radiator and oil cooler detail.  Thanks...


Mike K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on April 27, 2013, 04:14:29 PM
Greetings,

The discovery of a cheaper and more-effective means to reproduce machined lip detail for the wheels of topics that require such prompts me to update my '69 Welly/GMP Shelby Racing Co. BOSS 302.  Brutally tough on the hands to cut these down to size, but enough of an improvement afforded to merit the effort.


(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/16d_zpsbc680e0d.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/16d_zpsbc680e0d.jpg.html)

...before

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/16e_zpsdf9ccfab.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/16e_zpsdf9ccfab.jpg.html)

...and after.  The opportunity was taken to refinish the wheel spiders with Model Master Stainless Steel overlaid with a dusting of Tamiya Pearlescent Clear - seemingly the way to 'do magnesium' given experimentation and comparison with my real Minilites.

-

A source then:

http://www.hobbylinc.com/htm/pgh/pgh2399.htm

-

Thanks...

Mike K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on April 28, 2013, 06:01:09 AM
Very nice detail touch, Mike. Looks great!

Thanks for the link as well.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on May 21, 2013, 05:05:11 PM
Greetings,

     Some further refinements to a 1:25 Jo-Han (John Hanley was the name of the original owner - and hence now you know) 1970 Mark Donohue Trans-Am Javelin with the Jimmy Flintstone resin bodyshell complete with flares.  Note that it has a scratch-built late-1970 season front spoiler intended to be aluminum with a pair of lexan extensions (note the split), whereas the brake cooling inlets are situated high up the assembly.  Viewed face-on they appear small of section top-to-bottom, although when viewed at an angle they make good sense for the inlet is positioned to route air down at an angle just below the bumper stamping headed rearward.

Other things attempted are both numerous and discreet.  A better front tire has been mastered utilizing a mid-'60's MPC kit release Goodyear Blue Streak Sports Car Special sidewall with the tread (such as it was) of a late'60's/early '70's MPC Goodyear Blue Streak NASCAR tire.  The tread of the latter was cut from a flexible vinyl kit tire, trimmed to reduce the outer diameter of such, and then glued fast to a round plug to which the better sidewall detail was glued.  Nice width, a good aspect ratio - a job well done.  

The rear tire is the late-season spec. '70's MPC Goodyear Blue Streak NASCAR fitment, albeit increased in width about 30%.  I'd ordered and contemplated the use of Perry's Resin Trans Am wheels and tires, but wasn't entirely sold on their use in 1:25th scale as contrasted to 1:24th.  Given this, what is seen here was worked up instead.  I intend to cast these in pliable two-part tinted resin, and employ the results across my 1:25 Jo-Han Javelin projects to-be.  Perhaps a '68 and '69 RKE Javelin someday?  A '69 entry would be especially fun given I've never seen such done in scale, whereas not so long ago there really weren't sufficient available photo images around to inform what needed to be replicated.  

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/16f_zpsa38ba5d5.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/16f_zpsa38ba5d5.jpg.html)
...a nice Racemark seat employs two AMT NASCAR Matador assemblies to stretch out the bottom towards the knees.  The seat edge detail didn't strictly exist, nor did the headrest extend out as far as it might - hence these aspects were scratch-built.

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/16g_zps879267cc.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/16g_zps879267cc.jpg.html)
...brass grille mesh then.  Inner wing/inner fender detail to be entirely redone from scratch, for not so much can be salvaged from what was afforded.  Surely the most labor-intensive aspects of this project.  The 'fiberglass' air cleaner housing is a resin casting of something scratch-built from before.  The center 'hardware' is new, whereas a flexible soda straw will be cast, bent to shape, and sanded to reproduce the duct work needed heading away from the firewall to feed said housing.  

A dimensionally shorter Jo-Han AMC engine was created for reducing the overall height of the block, flattening the base of the intake, and shortening the mains girdle area.  Jo-Han economized when tooling the later AMC V8 for revising some aspects of an older tool without wholly committing to starting anew.  Given this, the heads were wrong, the water pump and timing chain housing/casting are mounted far too low, and the intake as-delivered comes through with a noticeable dip visible front and back to fill in and disguise the use of an incorrect block.  Worse - to house this too-tall assembly, all Jo-Han Javelins/AMX/Javelin-AMX tools have front crossmembers dropped to accommodate such.  The use of the original tool engine results in a model that cannot be set at the proper ride height given the strange engine dimensions and everything done to disguise the use of it.  Here most everything is fixed.  

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/16h_zpse4d3ece6.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/16h_zpse4d3ece6.jpg.html)
...note the Panhard rod chassis mount taking shape, as well as the larger-piston/outer body KONI double adjustable shocks taking form behind two pair of stock '69 Jo-Han S/C Rambler kit parts.  A bit longer, thicker across the top then.  Though very easy to miss, the cast-in rear bumper has been removed entirely, with a two-piece plug now substituting for it.  

A short, compressed wrap up then.  Underside view depicts a 1:25 Jo-Han '70 Rebel Machine front suspension grafted onto their '70 Javelin Trans-Am chassis, with a '69 S/C Rambler rear axle 'hump' and trunk floor, plus overlaid leaf springs.  The rear diff. is indeed an AMC Model 20 humorously afforded and supplied within a Jo-Han funny car kit (with keyed-axles - um-mm, I don't think so!). The leaf spring shackles are '69 S/C Rambler (one each from two kits given the shocks are staggered on the S/C Rambler, and not on this application), whereas I hope there will be enough room for the anti-roll bar (especially the odd clamped pickup points) and Panhard rod assembly in anticipation of creating like-assemblies for other (and usually larger of scale) projects.  

The rear bumper seen has been narrowed as have been the rear indicator/brake light clusters for as-delivered the whole assembly is wider then it should be.  Although puttied up and looking a bit strange, lastly one will notice the rear spoiler which employs the '71 and on ends which extend down a bit with late-season fueling inlet detail.  As the '70 Mark Donohue kit comes through, the rear spoiler is entirely flat of profile across the rear base; i.e. not what was desired.  Thanks...  

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/16j_zps1f5366f2.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/16j_zps1f5366f2.jpg.html)

M.K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on May 22, 2013, 07:53:21 PM
Lots of nice details and a lot of work, Mike. Very nice job so far. How are you rechroming the bumpers?
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on May 25, 2013, 05:13:14 PM
Thanks for the kind notice/comments,

It took some time, but eventually the model car community was able to afford those of the fold plastic part vacuum rechroming services that are equal or superior to what may be found in a normal kit release.  Promotional model collectors are an especially serious bunch, insisting that plating be fresh before parting with $300-$700 for a rare dealer promo, and probably led the way in relation to what is afforded at present.  Little Motor Kar Kompany (they have a light web presence and are seen mostly at midwest regional hobby shows) as well as Chrome Tech USA seem the current options as I write this, whereas another firm situated in Canada also did a bit of business although for light research they seem to have vanished from the scene.  Others who do not wish to enlist the services of a vacuum rechroming outfit may opt to use Alclad lacquers which, if applied with reasoned care via the skilled use of an airbrush, can simulate a plated surface with some fidelity.  

See:

http://www.chrometechusa.com/

http://alclad2.com

Beyond issues of wear and fade, resin castings can be plated, whereas there is much to be said for cleaning up a clumsy casting of something that was originally a stamped part if such is applicable.  Contours and surface detailing can be missed if mastered from web images in particular.  Removing the seams, contrasting a part directly to a 1:1 example of what is desired (i.e. the blade bumper of a '69 to '70 Mustang BOSS 302 as done by Welly in particular) affords one the chance to substantially (albeit discreetly) alter the appearance of a scale model for the good.  While I never strictly rechromed the rear bumper of the 1:18 GMP Penske/Donohue Camaro I have (i.e. such wasn't required), something had to be done about those awful overriders someone specified including!  Tow hook cut outs, as well as attachment hardware dimples can be better reproduced as well for the flexibility afforded.  Thanks...  

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/Mike%20K%20stuff/16k_zps2742bb43.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/Mike%20K%20stuff/16k_zps2742bb43.jpg.html)

...sans a few parts, but notice the taiilpanel pinstriping added, as well as the reshaped bumper ends and the overriders that have been removed leaving no trace behind of the same.  The dashboard with tiny 'Dymo' labels too can be noticed here, complete with the aircraft spec. starter switch.  Yes, the steering wheel is missing in the photo.


Mike K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on May 30, 2013, 10:52:11 PM
Thanks for the insight into the chroming service.

There are some nice details on the GMP Penske model in many instances and then you look at things
like the absolute straight-up profile on the back of the rear spoiler and wonder how they missed something
so blatantly bad.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on April 09, 2014, 09:24:04 PM
Greetings,

After a long silence - a return.  Very kind thanks to Jon Mello and others for the support afforded during an exceptionally uncertain time which I truly hope is behind me.  I greatly value the support and informed feedback afforded here at the CRG in the past, and eagerly hope such may continue.  Again - my great thanks for the tangible sense of community availed.

Consistent with a certain proven inconsistency of focus, here is witnessed what is now a pair of 1970 season Autodynamics Challengers last seen in 2010.  These are 1:18 Hwy. 61 tools that form the best platform for replicas of such in scale.  Continuing, common it is for me to fabricate parts to accommodate most specifications of a particular racer as seen across a season, whereas I'd accumulated enough parts to effectively fit out a #77 Laguna Seca entry as I've reacquainted myself with the #76 Kent project which was seen within earlier posts of this very long thread.  If anyone is determined to mount the courage to stare down a 1:18 Hwy. 61-based E-body SCCA Trans-Am project (among others), I may be able to help out for territory explored and mistakes made.  

Resin casting of key elements scattered across both these cars will allow this builder to fit out a pair of AAR 'Cudas with most shared elements, with allowances made to modify parts that will nevertheless be easier to fabricate using basic shapes saved from the Challenger projects; i.e. the front upper control arm inner wing/inner fender pockets will be modified on the AAR 'Cudas reflecting AAR's specific desire to have greater shock absorber travel to match the one inch lower ride height spindles that weren't shared with Autodynamics.  Apparently one must be on guard to be certain that all the trick stuff is afforded upon delivery of a rolling chassis!


(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/AutodynamicsChallenger331_zps499672f0.jpg)
...the 'new build' #77 awaiting lip flares to the shell amongst other things.  And yes - that daunting physical presence seen behind the table is me...

(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/AutodynamicsChallenger332_zpsbe8bed29.jpg)
...the 'old' #76 stripped of some items in anticipation of casting each to share across builds.

(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/AutodynamicsChallenger330_zps9be70b7c.jpg)
...and a family photograph of sorts complete with what is now one of two research folders.


Kind regards to the board - as always!

Mike K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: MO on April 10, 2014, 02:51:00 AM
Mike, nice to see you post again. I've missed the updates of your great work.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on April 10, 2014, 04:16:06 AM
Mike, it is wonderful to have you back and to see you posting again. Your contributions were definitely missed.
I think it probably makes sense to tackle the two different Challengers together. If you have to fabricate something
you can just double up at the same time. They're looking good so far!
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on April 13, 2014, 07:39:21 PM
Greetings and thanks for the kind interest displayed,

(...apologies for the images are quite large - a matter to be addressed soon)

Below can be seen the unfolding labors of my wheel and now tire project for period 1:18th Trans-Am topics.  My efforts to produce my own resin Minilites with a proper spoke and outer rim lip design has gone well enough, although to date I've relied upon old GMP tires that are of scarcely different size front to rear, are somewhat square of shoulder and further, feature a wet weather tread design.  That 1:18 GMP Trans-Am wheel and tire sets have become both rare and pricey when they do surface on the market has served as an additional prod to come up with other options.  And oh, the Autodynamics Challenger images seen depict what were likely open practice shots captured early season at Bryar, NH.

Continuing then, a two-part urethane casting was taken of a 1:18 ERTL Goodyear Blue Streak tire (actually the front and rear) as found on a much older Cobra 427 SC tool, whereupon a pair of castings in two-part white resin was produced to facilitate the narrowing of each tire (one tread 'rib' from the front, two from the rear) whereupon a sidewall was thinned and cut before being glued to the bulk of the tread and sidewall from the first casting.  I wish I could claim all this was done employing a hobby lathe, but I cannot!  Instead, a very large rasp file was employed to quite deliberately thin and plane each respective white resin casting before the quality of such was sufficient to glue my labors together.  

Seen in the photos are the original GMP Minilites wearing the GMP tires (note the peg-like spoke design - yuck!), while just behind these may be seen the 1:18 ERTL Goodyear Blue Streaks 'as delivered'.  Slightly further back can be seen my narrowed masters sans raised and angled GOODYEAR identification (see the IndyCals post to discern what I hope to apply instead), while the final set in the rear have been sufficiently opened up in diameter from the center to fit the resin Minilite wheels (less internal structure to fit into the old semi-hollow GMP tire).  Next step will be the creation of urethane molds for the tires proper, whereas also seen in an image provided are sample pucks of material that vary in hardness and flexibility affording this writer various 'compounds' to employ in the final product.  Lastly, a tint can be added to appropriately color the resin or urethane employed to generate an agreeable final product.  Whew - much work here!  


(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/AutodynamicsChallenger2005_zpsaa6a6c8d.jpg)
...from front to rear the line up of options and stages to better proportioned and detailed dry weather period Goodyear Blue Streaks.

(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/AutodynamicsChallenger2001_zps749ec299.jpg)
...material pucks suggest latitude afforded with regards to that which the tires will be made of.

(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/AutodynamicsChallenger1005_zpsaff4dd03.jpg)
...and finally, an experiment was conducted consistent with what was done on the period E-bodies to accommodate those enormous tires; i.e. a rear wheel house was extended on a spare chassis to the extent of removing material to allow space for a wheel and tire right up to the side of the rear subframe rail.  Nothing is seen underneath nearest the front, although the right rear wheelhousing has been cut.  What at point of departure resolutely would not fit now does with comparative ease. In addition and lastly, the aluminum wheel lips seen on the 1:18 Gray Ghost can be employed to help do a pair of AAR 'Cudas in the specification they were most often seen during the 1970 SCCA Trans-Am season.  As always - thanks for indulging me.


Mike K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on April 15, 2014, 12:31:39 AM
Stunning, incredible work, Mike. Where most people would make do with what is available or be content with an off-the-shelf model, you go to amazing lengths to get it right. Your work never ceases to amaze me. Telling you "good job" is not enough.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on April 15, 2014, 09:21:41 PM
Thanks for the kind words,

I apologize that my writing is a bit clunky at present, whereas I hope matters will smooth out a bit for practice and more careful editing.  Below will be noticed a pair of links to the Stanford University Revs Digital Library wherein is contained Karl Ludvigsen's collected work.  I was a bit stunned to notice that the Sports Car Graphic article from 1970 Watkins Glen titled 'Bad Day at Dodge City' which evidenced one or two published photographs here is revealed to be but a slender sample of what is likely fifty to sixty images taken across the race weekend.  

Appreciating that I've been working off of no more than four or five period underhood photographs of iffy quality at best, within the Revs Digital Library four truly outstanding mid-season underhood photo images as well as chassis and interior photographs can be accessed.  I'm quite excited about this, whereas for a sleep-inducing search of the archive opened up to include all photographs taken by Mr. Ludvigsen across the year 1970, it does seem that Watkins Glen and Bridgehampton constitute the only SCCA Trans-Am events he attended that year.  A fast scan of approximately 3,700 images proves as much!   Contemplate inspecting the following if only for the fact that what is contained within isn't exclusively Chrysler material:


Watkins Glen:  https://revslib.stanford.edu/?f%5Bpub_year_isim%5D%5B%5D=1970&page=26&q=Watkins+Glen&utf8=✓ (https://revslib.stanford.edu/?f%5Bpub_year_isim%5D%5B%5D=1970&page=26&q=Watkins+Glen&utf8=✓)

Bridgehampton:  https://revslib.stanford.edu/?f%5Bpub_year_isim%5D%5B%5D=1970&page=2&q=Bridgehampton&utf8=✓ (https://revslib.stanford.edu/?f%5Bpub_year_isim%5D%5B%5D=1970&page=2&q=Bridgehampton&utf8=✓)

...attempts to create live links failed, whereas I hope these addresses prove sound.


Mike K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on April 16, 2014, 04:25:58 AM
I fixed the links for you, Mike.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on April 21, 2014, 07:41:22 PM
Greetings,

Thanks Jon M. for repairing the links I provided above allowing for inspection of the Revs Archive/Karl Ludvigsen files,

A time saver here; i.e. so much work had been performed on an item up for purchase that I couldn't refuse it.  Appreciate that no standard-bodied 1:18 second generation Firebird tool exists, hence this project recently acquired constitutes a huge time savings.  In short, an unknown 1:18 diecast modifier ground channels behind the leading edge wheel arch aerodynamic spats of a usual and humble white metal shell to stress relieve sensitive areas of it prior to heating and bending each spat back into a normal/standard Firebird configuration. Intended not to be noticed in the slightest, see too the effective erasure of the rear spoiler in its entirety whilst saving the underlying quarter panel and rear deck profile for the care evidenced - whew!  Reproducing the same effort would consume months I do suspect, while all the previous putty work was removed when the shell was taken to an area media blaster for the usual treatment last week.  What is seen can thus look better in time.

I've quickly refilled the side fender air extraction vents with JB Weld, and have plugged the side mirror and exterior door latch holes for good measure. A shaker hood cutout plug was fabricated and fitted, side exhausts are recycled ERTL 427 Cobra S/C items, whereas yes - the GMP tires are the same size front to rear. The gruesome beginnings of the rear wheel flares do in fact approximate reality, for these were aesthetically challenged on the real racer to say the very least. Laguna Seca was the first race on the calendar for the 1970 SCCA Trans-Am series, while understand that the Trans Am model-specific spoilers were not approved for homologation irregularities cited in tech. at this contest - hence off they came. T-G Racing ended up plugging the shaker hood, removing the spoilers (but for the front lip which was an open area and thus retained), and for their troubles Titus posted the team's only finish for that year.  The side window trim will in the fullness of time be ground flat, the cast-in rubber window seals filed off entirely consistent with a desperate effort to reduce weight.  

For now this model will be parked given other projects have priority, but an intriguing beginning begging to be shared. In the fullness of time I hope to have all the factory blessed and semi-blessed Pontiac efforts in scale from 1968 to 1971, but now back to the E-bodies.  Thanks...

Mike K.

(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/2f9af009-e691-463d-b3ef-5c9c874da0a6_zpsa2cf7f50.jpg)
(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/TitusFirebird002_zpsca4d6b11.jpg)
(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/TitusFirebird001_zpsdf3d9a39.jpg)
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M.K.

 
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on April 22, 2014, 10:58:26 PM
Mike, I was glad to be able to save/repair your photo links as they are a very valuable part of this thread.

That's nice that you've found a serviceable Firebird body to use for a replica of Titus' 1970 Firebird car. I never understood the (apparently) purposefully hideous design of the rear flares on that car but if you're going to make an authentic replica, you've got to stay true to how it really was.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: MO on April 23, 2014, 02:38:26 AM
Quarter-panel challenged. I noticed it's not running the T/A shaker hood scoop. Was that not approved by the SCCA?
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: group/7 on April 23, 2014, 03:18:29 AM
the titus firebird, and the jim hall chaparral camaros had to run without front & rear spoilers, and no hood scoop or front fender vents on the firebirds, because there were not enough street cars produced with that equipment for them to be homologated (legal) I've seen photos of the hall camaros at laguna with a small '68-'69 style spoiler in practice. these had to be removed for the race. without that aero stuff I think they lost a second or two per lap. hope I got the facts right ? maybe jon could chime in here.

mike group/7

 
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on April 23, 2014, 01:27:38 PM
Those items were only off the cars for the first race at Laguna Seca. After that, SCCA felt that enough examples had been built for them to be considered legal.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: JoeC on April 23, 2014, 02:06:44 PM
there was a special order COPO 9796 done to get a larger 3 piece spoiler for the 1970 Camaro

quote from Camaro site

"In 1970 and early into 1971 the standard rear spoiler was a low profile, 1 piece spoiler. There was a very limited (COPO 9796) 3 piece spoiler patterned (or "borrowed" from) after the Pontiac Trans Am available in 1970. Few people knew of its availability. There were an estimated 500 Camaros equipped with the copo spoiler.

This 3 piece rear spoiler became the standard spoiler in mid 1971. "

Chevy was also working on a cowl induction hood for 1970 but cancelled it

I have the 1970 prototype CI hood. I bought it from Bill Grumpy Jenkins who got it from Chevy in 1970
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: MO on April 24, 2014, 02:43:44 AM
Thanks for the great info guys. Mike K., sorry to get off topic.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on April 24, 2014, 10:52:01 PM
...no worries at all,

From what I could discern from the David Friedman collection/Laguna Seca event images it appears that like Chaparral, T-G Racing appeared at Laguna Seca 1970 tech. with all the factory spoilers fitted to their entry.  Upon tech. refusal to recognize the same as homologated, off came everything.  It seems T-G must have replaced the front fenders for the air extractor vents vanished entirely, although they did stop short of replacing the hood stamping for only a plug fabricated on site seems to occupy the space of the shaker. I'm pleased I'll not have to deal with disguising seams, etc. for such would be that much harder to reproduce in scale.

Given it was an open area, T-G tried to fabricate an aluminum front spoiler that seemed large, ungainly, and somewhat suspect for strength even as it bore a pair of strengthening ribs describing an 'X' in the center.  It appears that this rough spoiler may have been employed in qualifying.  Soon this hasty addition came off, whereas the team settled for retaining the center element of the stock front spoiler when race time arrived.

As for myself, I expect to have to reproduce holes on the deck lid and quarter panels where the rear spoiler would have been affixed, and perhaps add a character line to the center of the shaker hood plug if photo images might be found to confirm the existence of such detail. Kind thanks and know I appreciate all visitors and comments whereever such banter might go...

Mike K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on April 25, 2014, 03:52:13 AM
Chevy was also working on a cowl induction hood for 1970 but cancelled it

I have the 1970 prototype CI hood. I bought it from Bill Grumpy Jenkins who got it from Chevy in 1970

Joe, I remember the hood being on ebay and I remember saving pictures of it at the time but can't seem to find them now. I have to assume Jenkins had more than one of these hoods as I thought the hood you have is unmolested, whereas the hood Jenkins had on his Pro Stock car got cut for the tunnel ram and hood scoop.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: JoeC on April 25, 2014, 10:34:47 AM
Jon, there was only one prototype hood. Grump didn't use it on his race car. He used it on his street 70 Camaro that was set up to look like his race car. The street car was a straight bumper car that was used for shows and promotions in 1970. The hood was removed before the car was sold.

Grump was at Chevy looking at engine parts, saw the hood as it was going to be scraped , asked Chevy about it, and it was sent to him with a truck load of engine parts.

The hood is all steel and was hand made at the Chevy prototype shop
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on April 25, 2014, 04:51:09 PM
Thanks for the clarification, Joe.  Nice pic of the hood.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on April 30, 2014, 06:05:33 PM
Greetings,

Gathering data on the '70 Autodynamics Challenger chassis to inform that effort, whereas a bit more performed here to share now.  All drip rail trim has been flattened and removed, the trailing edge trim has been removed from hood, the C-pillars visually thinned, while door handles from the '72 Road Legends Pontiac Trans Am have been added.  '73 ERTL Trans Am grille surrounds have been added (a bit thinner and better shaped versus the poorly-rendered '70 tool), while these were then combined with the '70 pattern grilles proper. All of this will 'brighten up' with paint as only standard argent grilles were run by T-G reflecting the humble origins of the 350 CID automatic street cars from which they built up their Trans-Am entries.

Continuing, longer exhaust dumps have fabricated, whereas fill panels for the front turn signals fabricated and set in place.  The headlamp pocket fill panels required more work, with a spare shell being employed as a mold of sorts complete with the use of clay 'donuts' around the headlamp pockets to ensure I'd have enough material to reshape to suit my needs across the top of each. A more pronounced front air dam has been fitted that too has been mildly reshaped, whereas the awful license plate location pegs and associated holes and bumps otherwise visible on the front of the model have mercifully been erased. 

Lastly, front flare detail borrowed from my Gray Ghost effort has been reemployed here to begin upon the modest flares that crumpled for contact not so much with other competitors, but rather for a likely misjudgment of how much wheel travel/space was required.  Inspecting period photos suggests T-G Racing had trouble up front right on both sides right across the race weekend.  As for my own, the flares start large, and for adjustments shrink to something approaching what it is I desire for contour and bulk.  Kind regards to the board...

(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/Titus22_zps9e1b7b3c.jpg)
(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/Titus23_zpsf359429a.jpg)
(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/922b2130-6954-491e-b626-1880db9de2f8_zps5e911324.jpg)

Mike K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on May 01, 2014, 04:35:09 PM
Mike, the removal of the drip rail trim is a quite an improvement. The turn signal covers would need to be slimmed down and it seems as though the outer ends of the front air dam need to protrude further forward, to my eye. Overall, looking good and thanks for the update.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on May 04, 2014, 05:55:22 PM
Not much to see...

Front flares much reduced in size (notice how tiny they are in the bottommost reference photo), rear flares rebuilt reflecting a need to add more bulk plus allow for the shape of the same to blend into the tumblehome area aft of the rear wheel arch.  Regarding the rear flares, final shaping is needed before the same are cast to backstop my efforts prior to applying the same to the shell, with specific reference to adding material to the top of the flare(s) to ensure the taper into the body is wholly done with filler. I'd also like to thin the flares a bit internally, perhaps reducing the overall thickness by two-thirds if at all possible.

Continuing then, the front valance panel has been filed to open up the vents just below the grille, whereas the turn signal indicator fill panels have been replaced for repeating the technique of what was done with the headlamps; i.e. a spare shell was used as a mold with resin poured into the resultant pockets to actively redefine what a 'fill panel' might be.  Tedious this, but apparently the only way to go.

Beneath the hood (and in uncomfortable proximity to those terrible dog leg hinges) may be seen a set of Lane '68 Firebird valve covers (the finned cast aluminum models employed by T/G came later in the season), a scratch built Edelbrock ED4 intake, a GMP Trans-Am Camaro Holley carburetor, and a recycled '67 GMP Trans-Am Camaro air cleaner that was otherwise homeless for my efforts to scratch build a '67-model single 4BBL cowl induction air cleaner and associated ductwork.  A cast resin GMP Trans-Am Camaro distributor can just be made out.  Thanks and kind regards...

Mike K.

(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/TitusFirebird4002_zpsd6e42717.jpg)
(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/TitusFirebird4001_zps9ecbf0d6.jpg)
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M.K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on May 16, 2014, 07:18:02 PM
Greetings,

Nothing profound, but some work to report.  Doubts concerning my ability to create a character line across the top of the shaker hood insert led me to cut up another hood to substitute in material already bearing said character line - a success this.  Seams were visible on the hood run at Laguna Seca, so what is seen here is actually quite good all things considered.  

Continuing on then, the heater core 'bubble' on firewall was removed, a flat plate substituted atop the same space, and an expansion tank fitted w/cap and mount was fabricated and fitted, whereas a pair of GMP Trans-Am Camaro upper control arms have been added reflecting a previous casting effort to capture said detail for reuse.  The upper mounts for the front suspension have been cut off and resited inwards to afford a bit of negative camber - this a near-invisible mod.  

A Lane '68 Firebird alternator has been added, as has the power steering pump found on the same tool.  T/G employed an odd system that provided hydraulic boost for both steering and brakes; i.e. a curiosity this. Lane '68 engine pulleys were cast and cut to reuse the detail on the face of each here atop the stock ERTL pulleys which are crude to say the least.  A '70 GMP GTO Judge will afford this project a radiator, whereas a cast resin GMP Trans-Am Camaro Harrison oil cooler too will be fitted.  The radiators are not seen across the photo images provided, although I do look forward to creating the 'quick change' radiator mount as seen in a single period photo.    

The rear track has been expanded, although no serious work has yet been done on the rear axle assembly which calls for much additional work.  A fuel cell housing, also GMP Trans-Am Camaro-sourced, has been fitted as well as what I took to be tie down points for inspection of the Phillip Larsen image telegraphing such detail.  Some round stock was used for the base of each set against the fuel cell housing proper, whereas the burgundy parts are simply beads that were set in place with glue and with the use of a metal dental pick.  

A new air dam casting was obtained from a friend and more carefully shaped, a set of finned '72 Yat Ming/Road Legends valve covers were cast, cleaned up for oil cap detail erasure (i.e. the sanding down of the caps, and then for dragging a razor saw atop the same detail to match the upraised fin pattern), with the results effectively doubled up to lengthen each to match the cylinder head dimensions. Funny to relate that the effort made on the valve covers will be pulled and simple pressed steel models substituted for I seriously suspect that such is what was run at the first event.  A second mid-season T/G Firebird Trans Am will in time wear these.  Continuing, vents were created on the top of each valve cover looking up and forward, whereas also seen is a washer bottle (square this) that I presume might have been employed as a puke tank or some such.  

Hurst-Airheart hub bearing detail (i.e. shape of the cap) is seen on the rear wheels, whereas the front bearing caps are simply oil breathers reemployed to suggest the shape of the former.  It seems like so little, but a bunch of work in total.  Anything mentioned as cast has generated a mold, hence bits to be added to a product line to come.  Thanks and kind regards to the community...

Mike K.

(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/TitusFirebirdfive003_zpse7244813.jpg)
(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/TitusFirebirdsix001_zps5f1f3996.jpg)
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M.K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on May 20, 2014, 01:35:33 PM
Thanks for the update, Mike. The hood is a definite improvement with the new insert. Hard to tell all the other little improvements from the pictures but it all sounds good. Nice work!
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on June 14, 2014, 04:52:10 PM
Greetings,

Again, quite a bit of work - albeit largely invisible.  '71 Gray Ghost hood has been laboriously worked over to render its origins invisible - ha! The '64 GTO hood features twin faux hood scoops that had first to be ground down, and then attacked with a sanding block set on edge to comprehensively reduce the remaining 'hills' that formed the raised portion of each, blending the same to the surrounding panel work, etc. A vile task and not for the faint of heart.  Other additions are new resin grilles (cleaner these, better shape, zero warpage, etc.), a new coolant overflow bottle, and rough decal mock up work that, if nothing else, raises my spirits slightly.   

Back to the '70 Titus Firebird - an interior starts to take form.  Much floor detail (contours, stiffening braces stamped-in, etc.) remains to be added.  I must start somewhere though, and hence all the awful cast-in carpeting 'detail' has mercifully been deep-sixed.  No more pedals or pads, whereas a 'consoledectomy' was performed to erase the presence of an undesired detail. Material from a spare chassis was substituted into the hole where the hideous console formerly resided, whereas block sanding again saved matters for it generally looks the business.  A bit too thick of section and too tall though, with the panel work dimensions distorted looking back; i.e. T/G replaced the trans. tunnel body with sheet aluminum rather in the fashion of some gruesome stateside mid-eighties Pro-Stock racer.  A CDI ignition unit is seen forward on the trans tunnel, whereas the rudiments of a roll cage are starting to take form.  Thanks and kind regards...

(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/TitusFirebirdnine005_zps60048f89.jpg)
(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/TitusFirebirdnine002_zpsc117c6e7.jpg)
(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/TitusFirebirdnine006_zpsbae93479.jpg)

Mike K
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on June 15, 2014, 04:48:24 PM
Mike, that '71 Gray Ghost model is really starting to look good. The hard work is paying off. Nice job!

The Titus Firebird is looking a bit like some sort of sand buggy in that state. I'm looking forward to seeing that one take shape. Thanks for posting the updates.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on August 10, 2014, 07:03:44 PM
Greetings,

A more substantive update of the 1:18 Sun Star-based 1964 Pontiac Tempest/1971 SCCA Trans-Am season Gray Ghost this time ‘round.  Glacial pace, yes – but hey – this isn’t just a few parts added plus livery.  

Here a complete roll cage has been fabricated, though fairly simple of shape as can be noted.  An odd design to the extent that no tubes extend rearward past the main hoop.  For careful inspection one might also discern that a rear package shelf has been added complete with shoulder harness pick up points (two), the interior trim panels have been substantially trimmed and narrowed (i.e. necessary to afford clearance for the extent of the roll cage, whereas the dashboard still requires fitting), while GMP Trans-Am Camaro disc brakes have been added complete with dust cap (1:25 oil breathers) and axle end detail (GM-specific and scratch built).  Looking a bit meek in the style of early spot/single piston caliper/solid discs, I’ve doubled them up (these having been reproduced in resin) and hope soon to add ventilation detail for use of a tiny rectangular section file.  Proper caliper mounts and calipers to come.  Track has been increased front and rear for adjustment facilitated for the redesign of how everything is mounted.  A 1:18 Lane B.O.P. (Buick/Oldsmobile/Pontiac) differential housing is poised to be clayed up in anticipation of fitting the same to the chassis.  At this point precious little has been done underneath but for a fuel cell housing, hence much to do there.

The bend upward of the cross bar situated just back of the front windshield is reproduced in a manner slightly less pronounced than what is seen on the 1:1 ‘Ghost, although this reflects the fact that I’m working with plastic castings versus scale-thinness stampings and such must be accommodated.  Given that the roof must be slightly smashed down even absent the roll cage to properly fit into place along the firewall, know that the dimensions tighten up further when modest pressure is applied forward.  The bars penetrating the floorboards forward will eventually be mated to the frame members consistent with tying the structure together entire.  Know too that the shifter housing/platform is indeed offset a bit  if not bent a bit (versus prim and mounted strictly straight) on the 1:1 racer, the pedal configuration isn’t final, whereas the seat rails/mount hasn’t yet been fabricated (this being a mock up).  Much floor work – especially looking behind the main roll hoop, remains to be done.

All-but-invisible is a new scratch built dual oil filter remote mount situated on the firewall (fifteen parts in total), an odd wet sump oil pan reflecting the choice by Team Trans-Action to recycle select T-G Firebird team parts (here a design used to accommodate 180 degree headers tested in ‘70), as well as revisions done to the fuel cell and fuel delivery system categorically unseen in the trunk.  The seat headrest is now sited with brass rod, while all I had to go on with regards to the configuration of the same is the old Motor Trend image roughly suggesting such.  Lastly, the beginnings of a large Harrison oil cooler to replace the somewhat mousey original GMP Trans-Am Camaro rendition of the same may be viewed resting apart from the model in some photos.  Top and bottom detail needs to be added, whereas the flange/mounting detail is an easy matter to create and yet isn’t present within photos.

Fabrication takes time, whereas rendering additions consistent with affording the entire work an organic appearance is a challenge.  Many modifications work best when they can’t be strictly detected, whereas configuring a first prototype involves pain.  Kind thanks...

Mike K.

(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/DSCF4364_zps61cf7433.jpg)
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M.K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on August 13, 2014, 04:19:05 AM
Nice work, Mike. I like that miniature Harrison oil cooler. I am stunned and never picked up on the fact that there are no rearward support bars for the roll cage on that car. Very surprising.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on August 18, 2014, 03:59:22 PM
Thanks for your continued interest,

Indeed - an odd cage configuration.  Perhaps Donohue's mulling about how it would seem a torsionally flexible chassis can perform wonders in the rain (and as mentioned within the space of The Unfair Advantage) is rooted in a faint remembrance of this effort?  

Seen below is the dashboard in place, as well as the seat mount fabricated from sheet plastic and brass wire.  The fiberglass sheet used to plug up corrosion in evidence on the passenger's side floorpan has been roughly created, while the obviously funky angle the pedal assemblies needs to be seen to.  Now the track appears a bit wide front and rear (to be shrunk a bit then), whereas adding a bit of negative camber to the rear suspension will come with the fitting of a better differential assembly complete with the camber adjusting flanges employed for each side.  The fuel inlet is too small, and is slated to be enlarged, etc.  Kind thanks...

Mike K.  

(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/GrayGhostcontinuing002_zps209066dd.jpg)

M.K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on August 20, 2014, 02:12:56 AM
Looking good, Mike. How are you planning to replicate the unique pattern on the metal dash face?
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on August 20, 2014, 05:51:23 PM
Thanks Jon,

Some items on the model will be used to form patterns on other material prior to finishing and fitting the same, with the dash cluster chief among these.  I'm hoping to cut or trim some reasonably thin hobby aluminum sheet for the cluster overlay, while for carefully drawing out the checkered pattern and further consultation with regards to photos, mask out and paint over the resultant panel with some appropriately frosted aluminum shade.  It's nice to finally focus on smaller matters versus endlessly mulling how I'll not be able to achieve some satisfying final result without the right rolling stock, the right flare contour reproduction or an appropriately fitted cage. 

...and now for some vintage Trans-Am History Detectives (ala the PBS series mind you)

Although perhaps to be followed up upon with a neat story/photo feature, a fun local discovery was made in relation to the G.G. days ago.  There exist various local sites that have historical interest to the vintage SCCA Trans-Am crowd here across SE Michigan, whereas the most well known might be the original buildings that constitute the Kar Kraft facilities in nearby Brighton, MI.  Of course, if one is sensitive to where the factory Trans-Am Mustangs were first fabricated, this is an important site and worthy of a pilgrimage if you will.  Anyhow, some curiosity existed within myself to seek out the residential property depicted in the period Motor Trend article where the Gray Ghost is being serviced/overhauled between race dates.  Just some suburban split-level in the middle of who knows where, children's bikes scattered about on the lawn up front, etc., while in total the very epitome of a low-buck effort/factory engineers on holiday.  Perhaps not the gates of Ferrari in Modena this, but given what I'm doing, significant enough.  Ownership of the topic on the part of this enthusiast? Check! 

Anyhow, closely reviewing odd copies Competition Press and AUTOWEEK (sorry to shout!) from late '71 I came across a classified advertisement relating that sponsorship would preclude fielding of the west coast races by Team Trans-Action, and that immediately after the MIS contest the Gray Ghost would be available for sale.  A Waterford, MI. address was afforded, while a small photo and telephone number rounded out the ad.  Hmm - was this the old Herb Adams residence, and might this be the property seen in the aforementioned Motor Trend feature story?  A quick visit to the library and research on the property revealed that address particulars had evolved and shifted (town and postal code in particular), whereas apparently the house itself was constructed in 1968 - so far, so good...

Wishing to respect the privacy of others and definitely not intending to telegraph as some confirmed Certified Web Creep, I nevertheless generated some typically scattered and all-but-incoherent MapQuest directions to the property under analysis - this approximately an hour away from where I'm based.  Fun it was to discover an address approximately half a mile away from Waterford Hills Road Racing proper - one could almost (almost) scurry a racing vehicle with open exhaust to the track sans trailer if the dare or wager was sufficient to prompt an attempt, whereas for allowing for the foliage growth, revisions to the property, etc., here indeed was the place.  Within the MT feature photograph the outline and pattern of the chimney seems to constitute the most obvious marker, while this matched exactly... 

Determined not to make a human spectacle of myself, scare children, etc. I did not linger long, although I do believe it would be worth it to compile a small packet of material to afford the current owner insight into some otherwise obscure history while also politely asking permission to reproduce the image, this to be done on some otherwise quiet Waterford Hills race weekend with my model set upon a platform in the foreground.  No strictly high hopes maintained if you will, but hopefully they'd recognize the request as being good natured and construe cooperation as harmless enough.  We'll see then...

Mike K.-
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on September 05, 2014, 05:42:53 PM
Greetings,

An initial stab at creating a reasoned sheet aluminum instrument cluster bears fruit.  Aluminum sheet can be cut by hand - as long as one doesn't harbor ambitions to use the distorted and twisted material closest to the initial cut for the final panel proper.  About 35-38 tiny taped square stencils/masks were created and employed upon the more or less convincing test panel seen below the dashboard assembly.  Using a Dremel Mototool w/wire brush attachment had its practical limits given I seemed only to be polishing the surface and/or distorting the underlying metal, whereas simply manipulating the attachment by hand and maintaining careful notes as when to alternate strokes and where was in sum all that was required.  A ring of aluminum tubing is seen just before the steering wheel and will be employed as the tachometer lense lip, whereas the photoetched rings seen just to the right will be employed for the minor gauges.  Clear lacquer will be used a 'glue' all the rings in position given that Super Glue  will off-gas and fog (and hence wreck) the fabricated panel if I dare employ it.  Unseen are the holes drilled on the dashboard proper indicating where decorative trim was removed.  Not terrible then...

Mike K.

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M.K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on September 07, 2014, 10:29:36 PM
Just amazing work, Mike.  Can't wait to see how it turns out.  Thanks for the update.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on September 08, 2014, 03:39:44 PM
Greetings and thanks for the kind notice...

A unappealing fact one encounters for converting a stock production diecast model into an stripped down production-based racer is the oftentimes less than appealing surface contours left behind for cutting out panel work and trim.  What seems to be developing into a fair scale replica takes a step back for revealing the origins of this material and that manufacturing process.  The most basic modification will surely include the fabrication of the rear bulkhead and the roll cage, but here I try to add a bit of interest to the floor contour proper. Smaller additions in the form of half-round stock laid laterally across the driveshaft tunnel as well as drain plug holes and stiffening indentations might also be tried.

I’ve found a reasoned way to cheat with regards to capturing the shape of this strengthening member and that short of having the latest and greatest 3D scanning technology and/or printer at my side. In essence I searched online for replacement sheet metal for the panel work I found of interest, blew up the same to 1:18th (approximated), cut the outline of a lateral strengthening member out, and finally glued the same to a stack of sheet plastic layers four deep across with three additional small panels stacked atop the driveshaft hump. Further guidance and support was afforded by searching for 1964 Tempest ‘dry rust free shell’ or some such across another Internet image query. The remainder of work performed here consists of sculpting until the addition proves worthy of the billing (i.e. more on this to come). Not terrible then, whereas further additions to the floor will surely be less labor-intensive.  Yes, further floor structure and shape is slated to come. Thanks...

Mike K.

(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/GrayGhostinteriormember002_zps6daf4fef.jpg)
(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/GrayGhostinteriormember004_zps76814133.jpg)
(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/GrayGhostinteriormember005_zps111bfb40.jpg)

M.K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on September 09, 2014, 01:40:02 PM
Mike, from my novice perspective I thought the replication of the dash and the rear floor area were going to be some of the harder things to pull off, but you have made it look easy.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on September 13, 2014, 04:56:29 PM
...a brief update this,

Another evolution/iteration of the instrument cluster for essentially starting again with a new panel is seen below, whereas scale Dymo labels as well as turned aluminum toggle switches might further be added.  Sorry for the fuzzy photo image - look away quickly lest a headache form!  

The second image reveals efforts to search for appropriate fonts for what in time will be the artwork for the livery.  Given this will constitute my first effort to create decals for something of my own, good it is that most elements present require only a black outline as contrasted to the difficulties posed by other topics and other comparatively complex liveries. Here I take a stab and all that I've seen on the car less hood artwork across the entire '71 season.  The 'Tempest by Trans/Action' identification appeared mid-season and is almost never visible in photos, whereas hints of driver identification on the roof is seen here and there and is clearly not reproduced below.  Lastly, my 'Quaker State' typeface options thus far are clearly substandard, whereas better numeral art is coming; i.e. taller and slightly better shaped too.  Not terrible though...

Mike K.

(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/GrayGhostdashfive001_zps3b32ea43.jpg)
(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/GrayGhostbodyplusdash002_zps8e619735.jpg)

M.K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on September 14, 2014, 09:22:07 PM
I like that dash a lot. Turned out nicely!

It's starting to look like a complete car, Mike. You've made some great progress on it.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on September 15, 2014, 04:44:22 PM
Thanks Jon for the kind interest and especially the spread of recent Donohue Camaro images seen above!  

Greetings,

A considerable pet peeve harbored by this modifier is the reality of tire licensing deals that too often translate into period scale rubber bearing all too contemporary fonts.  Firestone shod racers aren’t entirely immune, although in the case of many a Goodyear-shod racer, the too-visible-by-half lean to the right in particular undercuts whatever period-correct illusion one would otherwise clutch to.  The Hall of Shame of those models plagued with somewhat silly footwear includes the Exoto Porsche 917’s, the 1:12th Minichamps Maserati Birdcage, while readers here could doubtlessly identify other egregious misfires of conception and execution.   One could say much the same for 1:1 vintage racing topics besides, where old molds are reemployed to create new examples of old designs though the stark declarative sidewall lettering of days past somehow gets lost in the shuffle.  Not good, and something that could be improved upon looking forward.

For the 1:18th Gray Ghost I’ve been clutching to a single photo depicting the vehicle on a trailer at Bryar, NH. in ’71 with the car wearing the larger declarative ‘T.V. tires’ more akin to what had become de rigueur in Winston Cup/NASCAR circles.  The car just looked so sinister, although in truth I hadn’t a single on-track shot of the car so-fitted with the larger-lettered Goodyear Blue Streak Sports Car Specials.  In point of fact many races seem to show the car sans any sidewall identification – odd this.  

Returning then to the topic of scale Blue Streaks, the blue ring tires pretty much vanished from the tracks late the season the year before, although smaller lettering was long a feature of Goodyear road racing rubber; i.e. people know and expect to see it.  Eventually the sidewall raise white letters seen on the Blue Streak Sports Car Specials had their aesthetic corollary in the ubiquitous Polyglas GT tires installed upon nearly every Detroit enthusiast vehicle of the period.  In short, I can’t deny that the usual fitment on the Gray Ghost called out for the less prominent font, set straight and definitely less blue rings.  

Although not perfect, what is seen below constitutes a stab at a solution.  1:18th options for what I desire are scant, whereas negotiations with a prominent online supplier to revise and/or correct his product went nowhere.  Anyhow, the experiment seen below was performed with a 1:25th Slixx drag racing tire decal set which includes rear slick sidewall tire manufacturer identification decals that are larger than the usual scale offerings.  Too tightly spaced to really afford me what I want, each letter was cut out separately and positioned independently on this test tire positioned just to the left of rear wheel arch in the photo.  And yes - I'm still torn as to whether I should apply the gray/violet barrier coat or a semi-gloss black finish to the wheels for this first-half of the season car.  At present I'm thinking this will be a Bryar, NH entry.  

My fingers go numb when I think of the labor involved in converting perhaps nine models over to these markings, but the improvement is undeniable.  The GMP Goodyear font employed on their period Trans-Am tires isn’t terrible, although it is scarcely visible for having been rendered too small.  I’m thinking then; i.e. do I really want or need to convert everything over in a single go?  Quite nice even sans clear coat work to eliminate the usual carrier film ugliness.  Thanks...

Mike K.

P.S.  Apparently a 1:25th scale Fred Cady decal sheet for period Jaguar and British Leyland topics of note will supply the needed Quaker State script.  An old Quaker State flag decal image was also sourced for searching out and about and is also seen below.  I wasn't having much fun in my quest to identify appropriately tall lettering, and here express relief that in sum such wasn't that hard to come up with.  Three sizes to play with on the old Cady Designs sheet, whereas here and there one will still detect the care he exercised upon his products; i.e. the flag decal is pretty much a waste, albeit the stand alone lettering is quite good.  Many scale replicas of period racers fall down for rushing the accessory artwork; i.e. the stuff is poorly registered, off-color, and of incorrect scale.  This project should be better in sum - thanks for reading!  

(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/GrayGhosttiremarkings004_zps0010b8ba.jpg)
(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/GrayGhosttiremarkings003_zps92e71f65.jpg)
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(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/FredCadyQuakerStateJaguarSheet_zps8aa5b153.jpg)
(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/QuakerState_zps5bdb0ed8.jpg)

M.K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on September 17, 2014, 07:57:50 PM
Mike, you keep going from one hurdle to the next. It's like watching a steeplechase.

It looks like the decal sheet will be helpful to the cause. Kudos for finding it.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on September 20, 2014, 02:19:38 PM
Thanks everyone for the kind notice,

Consistent with protecting the lower extremities of any would be scale racing driver, I felt I had to replace the cast iron bell housing with a proper scale scattershield. Research revealed a Lakewood scattershield was employed, whereas a web search unearthed images that could be consulted to reproduce much of the exterior contour of the same.  In particular, an image was found (and seen below it is) that allowed for careful replication of the outline of the mounting flange to the engine block proper.  Some final shaping is required where the clutch is actuated for this detail still seems a bit heavy, but far from a terrible start.  Fine attachment hardware to come then...

Also seen below is the rather strange homebrewed dry sump system oil pan employed by Team Trans/Action in '71.  A stock pump was employed, but so too an additional pump driven off of the flywheel hidden out of sight.  The stock wet sump was reduced in volume reflecting experiments made in 1970 by Titus/Godsall Racing with 180 degree headers that required certain clearance below for joining the pipes from alternate cylinder banks, whereas indeed upon first inspection the 'short sump' is a bit startling to peruse.  The oil reservoir was hidden within the firewall, whereas I suspect the whole operation of the same would have been kept secret but for the SCCA's decision to allow the use of dry sump systems looking into the 1971 season.  I've hacked down my standard wet sump in the hope of recreating what again is seen in the photo I've included.

Lastly, an interior bulkhead formerly created from sheet plastic has been replaced with an aluminum panel reflecting what material was actually employed in 1:1.  In addition to shrinking the overall dimensions of the home brewed seat the team fabricated for use in this application, I have sufficient confidence in my use of sheet aluminum to rebuild it in metal - so, a coming attraction of a sort.  Harness pick up points are seen on the rear package shelf, hence the odd appearance of hardware so-sited.  Kind thanks for your attention.

Mike K.


(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/GrayGhost8009_zpsf08d086f.jpg)
...the abbreviated wet sump in 1:1, with a tiny glimpse of the scattershield also spied.

(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/GrayGhostbellhousing001_zpsdde6f918.jpg)
...Lakewood scattershield 1:1 reference employed to reproduce the mounting flange outline in particular.

(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/GrayGhostbellhousing003_zpsf71bfff3.jpg)
...rear three-quarter view of the new scattershield.  Note clutch fork opening as well as the starter motor bubble or bump.

(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/GrayGhostoilpanandbellhousing001_zps5d831952.jpg)
...side view depicting abbreviated wet sump.

(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/GrayGhostoilpanandbellhousing003_zps04f55180.jpg)
...bottom view, reflecting plastic plug work, the addition of a tiny harmonic balancer as well as further perspective afforded with regards to the sump modifications.  Note too efforts to clean up the transmission prior to casting the same.  Most parts on view here will also be employed upon my forthcoming Jerry Titus 1970 Trans-Am Firebird.

(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/GrayGhostaluminumbulkhead001_zpscffd08e1.jpg)
...the replacement rear bulkhead is seen.  Across the length of the passenger's side floor is witnessed what is intended to be a fiberglass rust repair overlay, with the two diagonally set holes intended as access points for the hardware that holds the exhaust dumps in place situated just below.  The overlay is soon to be covered with Tamiya hobby tape with the intent of lending the panel a bit of needed texture.  Lastly, the rectangular cut reflects what was likely a thermos mount, although evidence of what might have been placed here is effectively nonexistent.

Thanks...

M.K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on September 22, 2014, 02:31:13 AM
Mike, that oil pan is very odd looking but certainly makes sense if used previously with 180 degree headers. Thanks for including the pic of the pan on the actual car and your recreation looks perfect. You are really paying attention to the smallest of details and that will pay dividends with the end result. Nicely done!
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on September 27, 2014, 04:38:49 PM
Greetings and thanks for the lasting kind notice,

I had failed to note over the course of weeks that interference encountered for fit between the front half of the roll cage was in fact attributable to interference between the transmission and a too-shallow transmission hump as meagerly reproduced on the Sun Star interior floor casting.  A brief attempt to mate a 1:18 ERTL '70 1/2 Camaro transmission and drive shaft tunnel to the Sun Star casting for removal of its aforementioned transmission and drive shaft floor hump led nowhere, hence the reluctant decision was made to scratch build the floor pan as viewed from above.  If the original tool yielded such detail as manifest as nuanced and accurate contour I'd not replace it soon, although in point of fact what was provided isn't much more than a flat plate.  Although dejected to forced to employ it and puzzled if you will as to what can be done to add some character to this flat thing, there seemed very little reason to clutch to what wasn't working. 

Other factors influence the decision.  The engine and transmission assembly is set back about an inch from standard on the 1:1 topic, while the transmission overrides the transmission crossmember.  Especially as viewed with the hood open, the whole engine and transmission is nearly level as installed and in modest contrast to the usual dip from front to rear.  Given that this racing vehicle is substantially lowered, the differential is higher too, while less angularity between it and the tailshaft of the transmission is of course welcomed.   Yes - it seems they knew what they were doing!  Small matters of detail that may be noted are slightly repositioned hood art (to be photographed and kept in reserve for guidance as to placement post paint application and polish), as well as a front track reduction and recycled GMP Trans-Am tires sans lettering given any decal application will surely be ruined for handling at this stage and point.  Yes - it goes on...

Mike K.

(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/GrayGhostfloortwo002_zps7acb80e1.jpg)
(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/GrayGhostfloorthree001_zpsdd1ad217.jpg)

M.K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on September 30, 2014, 12:53:35 AM
Mike, with as much engineering and hard work that you're putting into this model, it's a pity you won't be able to race it when you're done!
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on November 06, 2014, 10:21:54 PM
Greetings,

A replacement floor fabricated for the Gray Ghost led nowhere given the dimensions and shape were wrong.  Too much pondering, too much speculation regarding where to add mass and disguise the underlying mess followed.  A fresh start here then; i.e. a new interior floor with minimal cutting to accommodate the transmission as well as a newly fabricated roll cage to debut here if you will.  The old cage is seen in the first image, evidencing an incorrect and prim main roll hoop profile (note the tightly controlled bends nearest the beltline) whereas the actual article is more 'soft pretzel' in shape if anything at all.  In point of fact the triangulation for siting the 'X' member within the profile of the main hoop is slightly off on the real Gray Ghost cage with the topmost extent of the 'X' not quite meeting up with the furthest extent of the 90 degree bend on each corner.  Further things to notice is that the A-pillar tubes rushed too far forward, extending around the dashboard when they ought to have dove down to terminate atop the floor just forward of the dash stamping.  I've also angled the main roll hoop back slightly top-to-bottom given I missed this detail first go 'round, whereas the dip in the tubes heading back toward the main hoop, faint at best on cage #1, are here more prominent.  Quite a bit better.  Thanks...

Mike K. 

(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/FirebirdFormulahoodprojectsix001_zpsce6ba355.jpg)
(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/FirebirdFormulahoodprojectsix003_zpsd746972c.jpg)
(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/FirebirdFormulahoodprojectsix004_zps5cafcd31.jpg)


M.K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on November 08, 2014, 04:44:47 PM
Definitely an improvement. Nice job, Mike.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on November 08, 2014, 06:36:21 PM
Thanks for the continued interest...,

A search of the local public libraries turned up a 1964 MOTOR repair manual with Pontiac Tempest content.  Mated to relevant reference, seen below is the rear axle assembly taking shape combining GMP Trans Am Camaro brake discs/driveshaft and U-joints, a '68 Lane Firebird B.O.P. differential and other scratch built aspects consistent with coming up with something acceptable.  Negative camber is designed into the unit, whereas the missing half of each of the axle tubes has been added here.  A length of brass rod passes through the diff. into each respective axle tube consistent with creating something strong enough to maintain structural integrity for handling.  Thanks...

Mike K.

(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/GrayGhostnewcage007_zpsaa8061f0.jpg)

M.K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on January 05, 2015, 07:28:28 PM
Greetings and well wishing in the New Year (as this was written),

A detour was taken for the embrace of another project, this slightly off-topic but not horribly so.  Too much time and effort really and not soon to be repeated, someone on another message board inquired as to the availability of a 1970-1973 Pontiac Firebird Formula hood given only Trans Am hoods and body shells had ever been released in 1:18th.  Another visitor responded and seemed bullish about the prospects, although it was I who took up the challenge to yield what is seen below.  What isn't strictly discerned is how it was all done; i.e. the spoilers situated before the wheel arches were bent in and blended, the rear spoiler was ground off, the hood was plugged with the surface contour being reconstructed complete with character line, etc.  And oh - the scoops were hand fashioned from poured chunks 'o resin after first constructing dams atop the surface of an old ERTL 1:18th Trans Am hood!  Yes, all this took time...

(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/TitusFirebirdten003_zps41109017.jpg)

...all work hidden in plain sight if you will.  Note how the Endura bumper 'beak' shrinks a bit lower down as specific to a '70-'72 Firebird.  Again, there is much that isn't strictly detected as-designed.  

(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/FirebirdFormulahoodprojecteighteen001_zpsd5cf2113.jpg)

...looking quite comfortable and grounded at this point.   The Polycast wheels here done in resin are specific to '71 Firebirds and later, the tires were afforded only after '73, whereas I'm displaying a '70 interior - oh well.  So this example is a bit confused for it's parentage!  

(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/TitusFirebirdten005_zps41213958.jpg)

...witnessed here is the Firebird Formula (but of course), whereas the refined form of the flares taking shape on the 1970 Laguna Seca Jerry Titus entry (much smaller on the front, and clearly better-blended elements sited on the rear) can too be seen.  No putty has been used to help transition the rear flares to the shell proper, although at this point I suspect what fine tuning for profile required may be achievable thus.  The front flares hadn't formally followed the bodyline contour of the body below the beltline extending up with any great accuracy, hence they definitely needed to be trimmed.  T/G had troubles all weekend long back in early 1970 for wheel/tire interference with the same, hence these additions were slated to grow and alter for dimension across the season proper.

Some plugging filling of the cast resin parts was achieved for use of what are termed Microballoons.  Given I'm helpless to sensitively condense and/or explain what these are without assistance, I here plug in the Wikipedia definition of what they term 'Glass Microspheres'.  Combining these with CA glue build mass very quickly and is now regarded by this writer/fabricator as a vital tool to have within one's kit per se.  One selectively applies some CA glue, dusts the resultant blob with Microballoons (these having almost no weight to speak of), and then repeats as necessary resulting in rock hard mass shapeable to suit...  

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Consider perusing:  

Glass microspheres are microscopic spheres of glass manufactured for a wide variety of uses in research, medicine, consumer goods and various industries. Glass microspheres are usually between 1 to 1000 micrometers in diameter, although the sizes can range from 100 nanometers to 5 millimeters in diameter. Hollow glass microspheres, sometimes termed microballoons, or glass bubbles have diameters ranging from 10 to 300 micrometers.

Hollow spheres are used as a lightweight filler in composite materials such as syntactic foam and lightweight concrete.[1] Microballoons give syntactic foam its light weight, low thermal conductivity, and a resistance to compressive stress that far exceeds that of other foams.[2] These properties are exploited in the hulls of submersibles and deep-sea oil drilling equipment, where other types of foam would implode. Hollow spheres of other materials create syntactic foams with different properties, for example ceramic balloons can make a light syntactic aluminum foam.

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Thanks...


Mike K.  
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on January 08, 2015, 05:20:42 AM
Thanks for the recent update, Mike. I can't believe two Pontiac projects weren't enough for you!  You're a masochist!  :D
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on February 28, 2015, 03:40:45 PM
Greetings,

Some delay since my last update, although for the acquisition of a new camera, perhaps that which I post will prove more discernible and visible too!  Captions follow the posting of select photo images, hence move down in anticipation of looking up.

(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/Nikon%202%20001_zpszkqtpcou.jpg)
(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/Nikon%202%20003_zpsm9eqfuzc.jpg)

...a four-piece transmission tunnel having been built up for long was finally cast in resin following the creation of a urethane mold to achieve this end.  Rather bland looking still, although for backstopping my efforts I should be able to use and reuse this basic shape (i.e. what begins at the firewall and extending back to the discernible gap) across other projects.  This would be the 1:18th Sun Star-based Gray Ghost again...

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(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/1968ShelbyTransAmMustangasyoulldoitinscale_zpscd6d3c63.jpg)

Reviewing my assortment of incomplete projects, I felt for the New Year I might be able to complete this and that project for select work undertaken to afford my pair of 1:18th Greenlight '67 and '68 Mustangs full interiors and chassis.  As is typical, even brief involvement in another topic expands greatly for the time I choose to invest, so what is seen below constitutes efforts directed towards a '68 Watkins Glen Shelby Racing Co. Jerry Titus Tunnel Port 302 Mustang as complex as any other project I've undertaken.  In mid to late-season form, a rather severe corporate blue with white C-stripe livery was employed, and being rather simple overall, such may prove a good starting point for a full refinish less the risk entailed for embrace of something more involved.  Given I've undertaken few full refinishes, this might be a better place to start.  

(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/Greenlight%201968%20Shelby%20Racing%20Co_zpsvsl9tqm7.jpg)

...a much older image of my '68 notchback Greenlight tool wearing GMP Trans-Am wheels and tires, less a bit of chrome, but otherwise not terribly special.  In anticipation of matters to be explicated, note how cloddish and unattractive is their rendition of a '67-'68 Mustang front valance panel.  

(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/1968%20Jerry%20Titus%20Mustang%20three%20001_zpsskhors3p.jpg)

...new GMP Dodge Super Stock ARE Torq Thrust wheels prove an improvement on the old GMP Trans-Am ARE wheels of yore, whereas recycled Autodynamics Challenger flares as well as those cobbled up for the Gray Ghost prove their worth again for most of the mass required is evidently in place early on.  

(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/Nikon%204%20001_zps1lyaihgu.jpg)

...the front valance proved too unwieldy to reshape on the model in white metal, hence the choice was made to cut the 'panel' clear off the shell, whereupon a mold was made so that the same shape might be refashioned in cast resin.  What is seen above is a spare shell that has a plugged front valance sitting before it, and a second resin front valance resting before it less any effort to seriously shape it.  The lip positioned below the grille but atop the bolt-on front valance will be refined for shape, while attachment points for the bumper will be added before it is in turn mated with the project proper.  

(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/Nikon%203%20001_zps4n6sl8sm.jpg)

...evidently much better, although still requiring work.

(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/Nikon%203%20002_zps2xhpmb6t.jpg)

...a scratch built rear valance panel was further required given the original is absent contour, sports GT exhaust cutouts, and is largely lifeless by way of contrast.

(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/New%20Nikon%20images%20003%20-%20Copy_zps75mddi8f.jpg)

...looking decidedly butch then.

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(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/New%20Nikon%20images%20005_zpsz1mn1if2.jpg)
(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/New%20Nikon%20images%20004_zpseps8xl86.jpg)

...the rough beginnings of a 302 Tunnel Port engine and transmission.  An Aviad wet sump pan is seen, whereas the scratch built intake is noticed coming along even if all that's seen is the base, the side flanges and plenum chambers for the carbs. The oil pan is modified Hwy. 61 BOSS 302 issue, whereas note the swiss-cheesed strengthening braces jutting forward on this unique front sump design.  

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(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/New%20Nikon%20images%20009_zps5i2yl0pk.jpg)

...and lastly, I've harbored ambitions to fit out my '67 and '68 Penske Donohue Trans-Am Camaros with proper dashboards given GMP tooled and released them with '69 designs.  Before long GMP released the Smokey Yunick Camaro with a more or less correct dashboard, although an enormous tachometer was cast-in to the middle of the dashboard positioned right on the edge of the pad.  Not liking this at all, I nevertheless sourced a Yunick Camaro (or perhaps it was a 'Streetfighter' release in GMP parlance?) and carefully removed the tachometer for sanding followed hard on by the fabrication of a fill panel as seen just below the repair/removal effort atop it.  Hope now exists for accurate '67 and '68 interiors then, whereas the gauge pod/instrument cluster seen here is old GMP issue and not final.  Thanks for perusing this sprawler of a message...


Mike K.  


Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on March 10, 2015, 03:07:30 AM
Mike, thanks for the update and nice to see some attention to some of your other project cars. A vast improvement on the Mustang front valence. I'm very glad to hear of a proper dash being worked on for the '67-'68 GMP Camaros. I might have to commission you to make a couple of extras for me. Can't stand the sight of the '69 style dashes in the earlier cars.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on March 31, 2015, 07:59:37 PM
Greetings,

Although not to be turned out immediately, I do hope in time to be able to afford copies of the '67-'68 Camaro Trans-Am dashboard as a pain-free addition to the now-old GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.  I'm still learning how to be cast two piece molds, and outside of two previous projects this would constitute my third effort to create something usable proceeding down this path.  

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In other news a local automobilia store hosted a book signing where Herb Adams was in attendance, and given short notice, I hurried to mate the new roll cage and floor structure to my 1:18th replica so that model would be presentable - or at the very least up on wheels.  Two largely sleepless nights followed, although for concerted late night hack and slash, I was able to take all my parts and align them sufficiently and so present the project for Mr. Adams to inspect.  This task accomplished, a brief trip to an area pro shop yielded up a small aluminum placard to which Herb Adams affixed his signature.  It was nice to receive some direct validation for the effort put in, whereas one of his children took some images to forward to other family members.  A good experience in total.  

(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/Nikon%20nine%20008_zps4mpjs3tq.jpg)
(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/Nikon%20nine%20011_zpsm96py9ew.jpg)


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...and as for the '68 Shelby Racing Co. Mustang, a new stone shield has been fabricated and is seen resting beneath the grille and atop the fabricated front valance.  The headlamp fill panels have been refabricated, corrected now for shape. The rear flares have been shrunk a bit besides, although no photo images is strictly provided to telegraph this change.  Kind thanks for the interest expressed both now and in the past.

(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/Nikon%20nine%20006_zpsm33alt3q.jpg)

Mike K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on April 02, 2015, 04:19:33 AM
Mike, that is really neat that you were able to show your model off to Herb Adams and also have him autograph your display.
Quite a bit of effort but well worth it, no doubt.

The Mustang is looking vastly superior with that rework front end. Nice job and thanks for the update.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on May 12, 2015, 05:32:08 PM
Greetings,

(soon to be employed on a Hwy. 61 Alpine White AAR 'Cuda, hence of modest interest I hope!)

Never very impressed with the wheels done up by Hwy. 61 in 1:18th scale, I set about collecting and isolating the best bits of all renditions I came across and combined them to come up with what is seen below.  The trim ring is GMP Roadrunner, the center stamping is Hwy. 61 with the center lug trim surround filed out, while the aforementioned lug trim surround is made up of another Hwy. 61 part raised a bit to ensure that a perimeter lip could 'catch' a bit of chrome plate.  The Hwy. 61 center cap was judged too shallow, hence a scratch-built center extending out a bit further was lastly complimented with an ancient ERTL Challenger T/A tip providing detail where others renditions afforded none.  

Everything seen but the tires are done in resin, whereas a Detroit-area plastic vacuum plater was relied upon to chrome plate the trim rings and all the combined elements around the lugs.  As delivered, the GMP Roadrunner Rallye wheel isn't plated in any regard, hence casting these and sending them out for the vacuum plate treatment constitute a quickly recognized difference.  

To save time and hassle, as well as to avoid egregious parts wastage regarding the delicate chrome plate, I fashioned some masking fixtures to ensure that product clean up won't be so terrible a burden as I modestly go into production with these.  Although I've reused the Hwy. 61 mounting system to simplify things, some may judge the results too tedious to install or use.  For something home brewed and made with basic hand cast resin materials, I think it's quite good, although I worry that those unfamiliar with plastic model kit-bashing might be disappointed for experiences with a transkit so construed. Anyways - some recent work to share then...

(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/B%200_zpsfzur4fwy.jpg)
(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/B%201_zpsvaeyjswp.jpg)
(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/B2_zpsxwj6gmnf.jpg)
(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/B%203_zpscvnfjljk.jpg)
(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/B4_zpsxdltsdlg.jpg)
(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/B%205_zps9znyggbn.jpg)
(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/B%206_zpsyeqbeohl.jpg)
(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/B%208_zpsi7znpqpg.jpg)
(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/B11_zpsqziocvlm.jpg)
(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/B%209_zpscv3zu2we.jpg)

...most of what is seen above is self-explanatory, whereas the first model so-converted is a '70 Hemicuda in B5 Blue with a blue interior swapped in.  An Alpine White AAR 'Cuda is the next conversion up, hence a SCCA Trans-Am homologation special will receive the treatment too.  All paints used on the wheels were sourced from a local Chrysler dealership and reflect what is used by 1:1 restorers on period Mopar musclecars.  A lot of effort highly compressed here.  Thanks for reading and examining this post.

Mike K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on May 13, 2015, 03:54:17 AM
Wow, a lot of work but the results are fabulous and speak for themselves.

As always, thanks for sharing with us, Mike.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on September 04, 2015, 07:38:31 PM
...sorry for my extended absence,

Fatigued perhaps for ribbing to the extent that '...he never finishes anything!', some analysis of my habits suggests that I'm fearful of applying paint to my more labor-intensive projects for fear of ruining what has been worked up.  With this hazard in mind, I've picked up a 1:12th unassembled plastic kit of a 1969 Camaro Z/28 consistent with sorting out what paint finishes are reliable, what tones are produced for what techniques, etc.  For lessons so-learned, I hope to spread such knowledge back upon my 1:18th scale projects when I return to the 1:18th scale Gray Ghost as well as the Autodynamics Challenger late-season #76.  Perhaps I could come up with a Classic Wax-themed display in the manner of more typical Jagermeister or Martini Porsche-themed collections and such?

...and lest it be forgotten, here's a quick share of an Alpine White AAR 'Cuda with the replacement wheels fitted as per what was fabbed and added to the B5 Blue Fire Hemi 'Cuda seen above:

(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/Nikon%20fourteen%20002_zpsw5s9oz2t.jpg)
(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/Nikon%20fourteen%20001_zpsduzqvqey.jpg)

...although it isn't first discernible or strictly thought possible, one can raise the rear of Hwy. 61/Supercar Collectibles Trans-Am Mopars as seen here.  Look closely and further see the exhaust tubing situated within the decorative trim tip sited near the rocker panel.  This was done in aluminum tubing suitably painted, whereas the tips were stripped, the casting seams sanded out, the results cast in resin before being vacuum plated before being reset.  Sadly they scarcely look different!

News flash!  ACME is said to have a 1:18th '70 Posey Trans-Am Challenger and '70 Gurney AAR 'Cuda in the developmental pipeline, apparently scheduled to be released in Fall of 2015.  Time will tell how elaborate these will be, whereas some new tooling will be meshed to old Hwy. 61 E-body tooling to result in who knows what!  For myself, I'm dedicated to finishing a late season #76 Challenger as well as an early-season #48 'Swede Savage' paler blue/violet 'Cuda believing if you will that these won't overlap in relation to the specification of whatever is eventually released to us.  The #48 isn't a misprint, but rather reflects early season days when Swede took over driving duties for Dan Gurney with the numeral  identification remaining as was at Bryar, NH and maybe even at Bridgehampton.  Photos of my own efforts (speaking the full-on road racing '70 AAR 'Cuda) to come then...

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Not having seen the August 1969 Car Life magazine cover car reproduced in scale anywhere, my hope is to do the eyeball-searing Daytona Yellow 1969 Z/28 with the JL8 4-wheel disc brakes, the fiberglass hood, the cross ram, and whatever else was crammed onto said test car.  Perhaps they checked off the liquid tire chain option too?  Anyhow, the yellow interior with black houndstooth inserts as well as the endura front bumper (with the bumper ends extended up and subtly reshaped) will surely equate to something memorable, whereas when this message was written the hope was to finish such in time for a local show scheduled for November of 2015. 

The Revellogram (code if you will for combined Monogram and Revell kit tool and marketing efforts) is much like a blown up 1:25th kit for not having a huge part count, although it is well engineered and may form the basis for the reader to reengage the kit hobby.  A flurry of posts will follow consistent with drawing attention to what might be done, fused as usual with what insights I can bring to bear upon what is attempted.  Feedback and efforts to bring my attention to what might be addressed or fixed is of course most welcome.  Kind thanks for the enthusiasm shared and the tolerance displayed for something clearly not 1:1! 

Mike K.

(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/1969%20Camaro%20one%20001_zpsrcqbgykg.jpg)

Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on September 04, 2015, 08:19:13 PM
Greetings,

Something new tried here is Tamiya's aerosol Translucent Blue applied as a window tint.  Larger model cars in particular look a bit silly and toy-like without tint of any kind, whereas there was some question that the product might in fact burn clear styrene plastic windows for direct application to such.  The finish was applied from behind (or rather inside), whereas the face (or outer surfaces of the 'glass') was polished as well as I could manage to visibly offset the slight frosting seen up close.  Not a terrible way to go, hence an improvement I do believe.  Kind thanks for reading this post.

Mike K.

(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/1969%20Camaro%20one%20003_zpsh91fpz3b.jpg)

M.K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on September 09, 2015, 03:23:55 AM
Mike, thanks for all the updates. Not sure what to think about the spray can window tinting. Might need to see that in person but I understand the desire to give something like that a try.

Sorry to hear all that work that went into the exhaust tips yielded only a slightly detectable improvement.

I was never a fan of that yellow houndstooth interior but the '69 test car is neatly optioned otherwise. Would be great to see you tackle that project.

I think you sell yourself a little short when it comes to being able to lay some paint on your models. You've been able to do everything else to a high level. I'm sure you could do the same with painting a body. You'll just have to practice on a couple of donor bodies first.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on September 29, 2015, 06:03:10 PM
Greetings,

On news of ACME's efforts to release both 'Cuda and Challenger 1970 Trans Am racers, I hurried up to combine parts and at least place my Hwy. 61-based AAR 'Cuda racer on wheels.  Given the ACME product may well come through as a tribute cars (i.e. with livery, wheels and tires specific to the racer but little else new), I judged it important to find some means to mount my early hand cast tire efforts onto the old Hwy. 61 production 'Cuda.  Across the past weekend this was achieved, whereas what is seen below is described underneath each image posted.  I'll be back to the 1:12th Car Life magazine 1969 Camaro project soon.  Kind thanks for skimming this most recent addition.

Mike K.

(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/Trans%20Am%20wheels%20and%20tires%20one%20007_zpslqvmc5ug.jpg)

...the hollow vinyl black tires are 1:18th ERTL 427 Cobra issue, whereas the white resin tires combine the sidewall detail of the former less oversized lettering and reduced in width front and rear.  I hope to cast these in soft black-tinted urethane or resin.

(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/Trans%20Am%20wheels%20and%20tires%20one%20005_zpsykldg2t6.jpg)

...the new tire masters are here contrasted to the original 1:18th GMP wheel and tire set wet weather Goodyear Trans Am tires. 

(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/Trans%20Am%20wheels%20and%20tires%20one%20001_zps9pxvzz7w.jpg)

...seen mounted are the old GMP Goodyear '71 and later wets (these standard GMP issue), whereas to the left is noticed a new tire modified from an old ERTL release of a 427 Cobra that featured period Goodyear Blue Streak Sports Car Specials.  The new tire is wider, rounder of sidewall, etc.

(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/Trans%20Am%20wheels%20and%20tires%20one%20002_zpskoogjy3x.jpg)

...the same effort applied to the back, the chassis shown a '70-'71 Hwy. 61 AAR 'Cuda.  The new tire is wider, taller of section, and too sports a nicer sidewall profile. 

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(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/Swede%20Cuda%20two%20003_zpsauat0ngj.jpg)

...my  AAR 'Cuda project then as viewed from the right front three quarter.  Note how well the plastic 'glass' responds to sympathetic waxing and polishing.  The front wheel arch opening lip was saved atop the indicators, and removed entirely from the rear quarter panels.  The front spoiler is scratch built, whereas the Wink multiple element rear view mirror is also scratch built.

(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/Swede%20Cuda%20two%20004_zpsfrv6jmie.jpg)

...a side view of the 'Cuda.  The rear ride height stands to be increased a bit.

(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/Swede%20Cuda%20two%20014_zpsbuck5tij.jpg)

...and lastly, a top rear three quarter view with select tail panel additions seen.  Continued thanks for the continued interest displayed.

M.K. 


Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: BULLITT65 on September 30, 2015, 12:02:37 AM
Man that is a lot of attention to detail. Roughly How long does it take you to complete a car from start to finish?
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on September 30, 2015, 03:20:26 AM
I never cease to be amazed by the stuff you make, Mike.  Nice work!
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on September 30, 2015, 10:15:50 PM
Man that is a lot of attention to detail. Roughly How long does it take you to complete a car from start to finish?

Thanks for your interest.  In relation to modest wheel and tire mods., a few months may be all that is required.  In relation to the more thoroughgoing conversions where I'm starting with a standard production model and proceeding towards a full race end, it seems they stretch across years.  As my technical skills and capabilities advance, previously daunting aspects of this project and that are more forthrightly attacked and attempted, and hence I'm able to pick up the pace in relation to that which I wish to achieve here. 

I suspect that if I stuck to one project and simply dedicated to one alone in this vein, perhaps it would take two years to see such to completion.  As matters stand and in addition to skills built up, I will hesitate to proceed if I judge myself decidedly short of research to fabricate this or that, while if not having much strict relation to the 1:1 vintage Trans Am hobby, I do attempt to catalog period race reports and technical features in-depth consistent with generating the best and most accurate scale replica that might be fashioned.  It does happen where some odd picture will emerge within my print collection or scanning for such online that will clarify much and energize me to push ahead with this project and that. 

Recently found was an October '70 issue of Auto Driver (a Clymer publication formerly known as 'Auto Topics' thus not a misprint!) with a dual feature of the Autodynamics Challenger and standard production T/A that hitherto I didn't know existed.  Three new color images of the racer being tested at Willow Springs preseason were contained within, hence more to go on and will fuller confidence I proceed ahead.  Thanks all for the kind notice.

Mike K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on October 01, 2015, 01:33:30 PM
Whether you are working on a scale model or restoring a 1:1 real car, pictures are what we all live for when we want to get certain details right.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: BULLITT65 on October 01, 2015, 02:38:36 PM
Whether you are working on a scale model or restoring a 1:1 real car, pictures are what we all live for when we want to get certain details right.

I agree with you there Jon.


So if you run across a new publication or images, and see some new detail, do you go back and change a car you may have been finished with?
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on October 01, 2015, 11:01:10 PM
Whether you are working on a scale model or restoring a 1:1 real car, pictures are what we all live for when we want to get certain details right.

I agree with you there Jon.


So if you run across a new publication or images, and see some new detail, do you go back and change a car you may have been finished with?

Yep.  I suppose I tend to my small collection as if I were running a private vintage racing research and fabrication facility with the capacity and desire to improve upon matters if discoveries reveal I could do something better.  As more than a few Trans Am racers won't strictly be restored to their first season configuration or be assigned driver identification that reflects who most often piloted this or that car, in a manner of speaking I can pretend away without destroying latter 1:1 history (i.e. the '72 ARA/RWR Javelins will never be returned to '70 Penske specification, whereas the 'junkbox' development hack is only an approximation of what was run in '70). 

We've all noticed that the standard of restoration and the accuracy of presentation on the 1:1 racers continues apace, while such efforts are considerably informed by resources availed to enthusiasts here on the CRG Trans Am subpage.  1:1 vehicles may pass from owner to owner to reemerge from shops in finer fettle, whereas if I can mimic this progression in scale, I'll do my best to act upon new developments given I've chosen to focus upon the old SCCA Trans Am O2 category.  A considerable degree of pleasure in obviously taken by me to rectify errors short of wholly stalling my builds.  That anyone at all would provide reasoned feedback in relation to my projects means much to me, whereas the social aspect of the hobby wasn't something I suspected could yield one such enjoyment and satisfaction.     

As to my efforts, it helps greatly to have spares in excess, hence what I try at a later time may well be worked out off of the original build entirely, substituted in only when all interference issues and quality concerns are seen to.  If I roundly fail in relation to altering something for the better, no trace of my efforts so-directed need ever be seen!  Diecast models tend to come apart quite easily, whereas some aspects of my models (i.e. wheel mounting systems in particular) profit if you will for better techniques and materials I can apply to them only years later.  Others things I'm working on aren't strictly hinted upon across this very long thread, but should they work then what seemed clever might be considerably reconfigured if I can carry off intended improvements without great issue.  By way of example, the flare work on the 1:18th Sun Star '64 Pontiac GTO-based Team Trans Action Gray Ghost was redone again and again until I judged it acceptable.  This said, plastic models in other scales are considerably less forgiving in terms of tolerating repeated disassembly, hence what I'm willing to do with them is less bold by way of contrast. 

With regards to the Autodynamics Challenger, for a very long time I didn't feel I strictly had enough basic period photographs to properly comprehend the configuration of the odd three-link rear suspension the team employed.  Only late last year (2014 then) did I come to understand what lurked beneath the Challengers irrespective of what substantive clues I had in hand.  Continuing with this topic, other materials have floated to the surface that include the configuration of the lateral bracework forward of the front seat differing in detail from the original #77, as well as perhaps four or five underhood photographs I was floored to discover via the Stanford University Rev's Digital Library.  Karl Ludvigsen entrusted his photographic archive to Rev's, whereas no less than about sixty images hitherto unseen from the Sports Car Graphic coverage of the Watkins Glen T/A date in '70 versus the two or three that were published back in the day. 

Short personal resources effectively prevent me from more substantive participation in the vintage Trans Am scene, although for concerted efforts in scale I can, in a manner of speaking, actively pretend away to the extent of 'calling the shots' in relation to how matters will be configured, what paint finishes will be applied, what race might be reproduced, choose to employ what would be nonexistent in 1:1 (i.e. perhaps doing my own blue line Goodyear Blue Streak Sports Car Specials), or insist upon the use of assemblies and quaint engineering ideas that were discarded in period as inoperable and since never refitted to be run in anger on the vintage circuit (i.e. the aforementioned Autodynamics three-link rear suspension).  In essence my ambitions have been rescaled to better match my modest financial capabilities, while being taken seriously by the 1:1 community has been an unexpected bonus.   

All I know for certain is that my actual'74 BMW 2002 didn't offer such enjoyment on a per dollar basis as contrasted to 'unlimited' expenditure directed towards scale topics of choice, namely the Trans Am topics glanced across the expanse of this now very lengthy thread.  The social contacts and informed discussion availed for focus on a single make and a single model too is dwarfed by what I've been so kindly availed across this scene by way of comparison.  Thanks for your interest...

Mike K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on October 02, 2015, 03:36:02 AM
Most people cannot afford to restore and play around with the Historic Trans-Am cars in 1:1 form.  There is no shame or disgrace in anybody enjoying these cars in smaller scale especially when you have the skills to do that at the high level that you do, Mike.  I don't think you feel that way, but if you do, you shouldn't.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: BULLITT65 on October 02, 2015, 04:21:09 AM
While I am aware of the judged shows for specific scale models, I would have to commend you and think you must be in the 1% for high quality and accuracy that you are able to produce such works of art.
*You may have more time/knowledge and hands on experience than some of the collectors who own the 1:1 versions that still exist. ;)
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: BULLITT65 on October 02, 2015, 04:24:33 AM
Oh By the way I look forward to seeing the 69 Daytona Yellow Z. Highly optioned car, Good luck!
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on October 05, 2015, 09:42:12 PM
Thanks for the kind words and attention,

Light work performed across the weekend includes trimming the front spoiler to reflect Bridgehampton spec., the creation of subtle lanyard stays atop the fiberglass hood, as well as rear valance panel mods. consistent with coming up with a correct profile for the exhaust exits witnessed on the standard 'Cuda panel employed by AAR at least during the first two-thirds of the season. 

(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/Swede%20Cuda%20four%20005_zpsbiypjnjm.jpg)

...the lanyard stays are pins cut to length which will soon be combined with light duty clear fishing line to reproduce the lanyard/pin clip cables proper.  Note too the revised front spoiler ends and enlarged brake cooling inlets. 

(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/Swede%20Cuda%20four%20004_zpsksvui3ul.jpg)

...as contrasted to the rather severe profile of the angular outlets reproduced on the Hwy. 61 Hemi 'Cuda rear valence panel, the modified AAR 'Cuda panel looks considerably better.  Also discernible is the revised contour of the base of the primered example which is smoother for fine filing work. 

(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/Swede%20Cuda%20four%20007_zpsomy2hijb.jpg)

...and in position then.  The molded-in fuel tank has been removed, whereas a resin fuel cell housing has been added here.  Thanks for reviewing this brief update.

Mike K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: BULLITT65 on October 05, 2015, 09:49:14 PM
Sorry if you explained this already. What were the rear valance openings for?
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on October 06, 2015, 05:00:19 PM
Greetings,

Originally the exhaust outlets/tips passed through the rear valence panel as an aesthetic/cosmetic feature of sorts, whereas perhaps AAR believed that absent a belly pan pressure beneath the car might be modestly relieved for employing the perforated part?  Of course, the fuel cell housing seems to cancel out most of any slight benefit afforded here.  I'm not certain myself, although a few photographs do depict this feature and hence I felt it best to add them to my model.  Given the bodywork will be painted a dark color versus the light gray chassis finish, such will be more noticeable than not. 

Moving along, below I've tried to work up the distinctive impact gun alignment fixture/ring affixed to the Minilite wheels used by AAR and at the Mission Bell 250/Riverside race by Autodynamics.  The actual rings are positioned on three spring loaded pegs that are in turn attached to the wheel, while I had to drill both these and the five lugs positions in turn to mimic what is present in 1:1.  Some additional detail stands to be added, although the hub guides done in aluminum tubing pass clean through the alignment fixtures with cast resin oil breathers being set on end to reproduce the hub ends inside each of the four assemblies.  The three spring loaded pegs here are simply plastic rod cut to size, sanded flat on the ends, pulled through further, and then sanded again to even matters out across each length employed.  Thanks for skimming this post.

Mike K.

(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/Swede%20Cuda%20five%20002_zpsigo0jgam.jpg)
(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/Swede%20Cuda%20five%20003_zpsynnyjisv.jpg)

M.K.

Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on October 08, 2015, 03:36:12 AM
Mike, really nice details on those wheels. Terrific craftmanship. Thanks for posting the photos of your work. One of these days I will not be surprised to find you have completely cast a metal wheel and machined the necessary surfaces to perfection.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on August 30, 2016, 09:28:36 PM
Returning then to projects (as well as community) long neglected...

Hoping to revise the A-pillar ducts employed on each the E-body Trans Am projects I'd been working upon, I turned up two designs used by AAR before settling on the shorter model employed at Bridgehampton, NY. where Swede Savage would finish second behind Mark Donohue.   

(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/Swede%20Cuda%20eight%20017_zps9dblhiv0.jpg)

...this would be Swede Savage purportedly at Mid-Ohio early in '70.  Note the difference between the A-pillar duct seen here and what is noticed below.

(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/Swede%20Cuda%20eight%20018_zpsgnzqenin.jpg)

...this would be Dan Gurney at Riverside.  A different car - yes, but also note the longer and presumably better A-pillar fresh air duct design.

(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/Swede%20Cuda%20eight%20006_zpsbuwdz3zx.jpg)

...Swede Savage at St. Jovite, whereas notice my rough pattern and stacked plastic sheet that awaits sculpting.

(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/Swede%20Cuda%20eight%20009_zpsiujtv2e6.jpg)

...the finished duct carefully set in place then.

(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/Swede%20Cuda%20nine%20008_zpsnmrb2pla.jpg)

...contrasting the new 'Cuda fresh air duct to a substantially revised Challenger duct.

Thanks for the longstanding interest and kindness shown...

Mike K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: group/7 on August 31, 2016, 12:36:05 AM
Mike, welcome back, things are looking really good on your two models !

group/7
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on September 01, 2016, 03:36:24 AM
I echo the sentiments. Very nice to have you post here again, Mike. Looks like quite the chore to produce those two ducts. Very well done.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: BULLITT65 on September 01, 2016, 04:35:03 AM
Looking good. This may be a dumb question, but what is the round "puck" looking thing on the floor behind the drivers seat with a tube coming out of it?
(In the second black and white pic)
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: cuda48 on September 01, 2016, 08:58:49 PM
Drinking water vessel for those long hot drives in 1970.  The photo below it shows the mount for the large thermos brand water  container. It is still there today on #1 Cuda...in fact, the owner has a container for it as do I.

Mike Camicia
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: BULLITT65 on September 01, 2016, 09:01:56 PM
good info. thanks
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on November 28, 2016, 05:20:46 PM
Greetings,

A small update of my '70 Swede Savage Bridgehampton entry then. 

Noticed will be the rectangular upper control arm 'pockets' differing from the Challenger(s), a new and largely scratch-built radiator assembly, as well as Bob Tarozzi's famed 'PITA' roll bar extensions tying into the front shock absorber turrets otherwise part of the inner wings. 

The diecast company ACME is slated to produce a 1:18 'tribute' version of this topic also based on the Hwy. 61 tool of old, although race content in terms of newly-tooled parts is expected to be fairly modest for the $129.95 asking price.  I suppose the arrival of such expected come the second quarter of 2017 has lit a fire under me to more properly see out my E-body Chrysler projects, hence I hope something good will come of both my work and what will be availed to the enthusiast public 'off the shelf'. 

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On another note, congratulations to Jon Mello given his extremely well-restored and historic Trans Am Camaro has been memorialized in-scale and is due out at any time now in 1:18 scale diecast.  What a thrill this must be along with recent magazine coverage such as that seen within the pages of Hemming's Muscle Machines.  The article write up and attendant photographs was great fun to discover and inspect, whereas for all Jon has given back to the scene he most richly deserves it.  With kind regards to the community then...

Mike K.

(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/Swede%20Cuda%20seventeen%20032_zpssfnife0k.jpg)

M. K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on November 29, 2016, 02:20:08 PM
Mike, nice to hear from you and see further progress on the Savage Cuda. The new details are impressive, as expected, however I am curious about the red under the hood. I thought maybe it was the color of the material you were working with but then I saw the yellow decal on the front radiator core support so I'm assuming that is staying red? If they were really red under the hood then it is a detail I have certainly forgotten.

Many thanks for the kind words about me and my Trans-Am Camaro. I appreciate it and, like many others, I'm looking forward to getting one of the diecast models in the mail.

Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on November 30, 2016, 06:43:26 PM
Oh - it gets worse!

Given I start with preassembled and prepainted 1:18th diecast models (primarily), sometimes the lineage of what I've stolen from shows up across the space of my mock ups.  Zamac bodies strip easily enough, whereas the cheaper plastics employed for the rest of the model(s) often prove soft and delicate, resisting if you will efforts to cleanly strip finishes applied at the factory.  So informed, you'll see both red and pink surfaces on show beneath the hood of my AAR 'Cuda project that didn't seem worth the bother of imperfectly stripping prior to the application of an appropriate shade of gray - this to come then!

Consistent with minimizing handling of increasingly delicate and sophisticated completed work, it is common for me to employ the scale equivalent of an engineering hack to better facilitate the rapid creation of new bits that subsequently will be integrated into whatever project happens to be on boil.  Noticed below with be such a 'hack', sporting as it does ductwork both segregating and directing air respectively to both the oil cooler and radiator.  Shortly after this picture was taken, the same assembly (showing up in white sheet plastic then) was transferred onto my project proper.  Thanks for your interest...

Mike K.

(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/Swede%20Cuda%20eighteen%20001_zpscxp2ey70.jpg)

M. K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: BULLITT65 on December 01, 2016, 01:11:45 AM
cool pic. that looks like what most of have to do when when we mock up our cars from parts cars. Only difference you don't have any rust or bondo hiding on your panels... ;D
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on February 19, 2017, 06:52:00 PM
Moving along then...

This would be both the 'Cuda and the Challenger roll cages taking shape.  Most of what is seen is comprised of plastic tubing with a core of brass rod inserted within.  A bread board with a nail or two tapped into it serves as a bending mandrel.  Difficult it is to ensure all is straight, angled accurately where appropriate, and of the correct length to speak little of 'fishmouthing' the tube ends so all affixes both firmly and well. Thanks for skimming this post. 

(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/Swede%20Cuda%20twenty%20one%20002_zpsixzkwsev.jpg)

Mike K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: MO on February 20, 2017, 04:44:11 AM
Excellent work Mike!
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on February 21, 2017, 04:37:34 AM
Thanks for the update, Mike.

I didn't know you were using hollow plastic tubing. Wow.

Where did you get the seats?
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: BULLITT65 on February 21, 2017, 07:05:30 AM
is it me or do the seats look like they are positioned to close to the tunnel?
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on February 26, 2017, 07:10:32 PM
Greetings and thanks for the ongoing interest,

Although I haven't fabricated them yet, I hope to add the offset shifter platform/transmission linkage indentation to the tunnel, whereas seen just below is a build up shot of one of the cars revealing what might be judged offset seat mount rails.  I may well have to refabricate the 'Cuda main roll hoop given that the headrest is likely sited too far in, whereas everything added later will reflect errors committed earlier during the build process.  At least my labor rate is cheap!  See:

(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/Swede%20Cuda%20twenty%20two%20002_zps7utftamj.jpg)

...as for the seats, at present they are copies of the GMP '67-'69 Trans Am Camaro fitment produced for my creation of a two-piece urethane mold to suite the purpose.  I haven't much to choose from here given most period 1:18th scale seats road racing seats are sourced from Shelby GT 350R's and the like, whereas I vaguely hope that the new ACME Trans Am 'Cudas and Challengers might offer up something more accurate.  Surely I need to work on the seat mounts and come up with the AAR 'Cuda seat support structure extending back to the roll hoop cross bar, etc. above and beyond what I've done to date. 

Concerning the new ACME releases expected in the second and third quarter of 2017, most have judged them a mixed bag given the limited 'tribute car' nature of the products to come.  ACME Trading Co./Greenlight Collectibles purchased the old Hwy. 61 tooling a short time ago and have opted to invest only so much in new tooling consistent with overhauling otherwise standard production versions of these cars. Some might come away satisfied with what's on offer, although most will judge the effort a cynical one reflecting a lack of will to afford the potential purchaser better.  Given ACME didn't want to exceed a price point of $129.95 or so for any of these offerings and inflationary pressures upon what and where the models are produced, all that can be delivered by them is a compromise of sorts.  Perhaps TSM will revisit the topics at some point in sealed resin?  See the following link to examine what will be afforded by ACME in 2017:

http://www.auto-und-modell.de/pages/aktuell/2026/Spielwarenmesse-2017-ACME-118/ (http://www.auto-und-modell.de/pages/aktuell/2026/Spielwarenmesse-2017-ACME-118/)

...as to the models in question, it doesn't quite appear that they've reduced the ride height at all, the tires appear very toy-like, while for employing the stock body shells no flare work has been reproduced.  I could go on, but what photos are afforded convey much that needn't strictly be articulated.  In sum, at least I have reason to continue with my particular efforts!  Kind thanks for your reviewing this post...

Mike K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Oldtimer on February 27, 2017, 03:08:10 AM
Mike - I couldn't agree with you more on the offerings coming from ACME/Greenlight.  They carry on the tradition of the "tribute" '67 Mustangs, which , with very little work, could have replicated the Shelby Trans Am Mustangs.  The lack of simplistic details such as roll cages, fuel cells, and other racing details renders the Greenlight models no more than door stops.  I am afraid that the forthcoming Barracuda and Challenger "clones" will be equally disappointing.

However, the unknowing and misinformed will buy them, place them on shelves, and be very proud of owning nothing more than a mockery.

You, however, My Friend, continue your commitment to an accurate, yet labor-intensive, replication of these iconic racers, and I applaud your efforts.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: cuda48 on February 28, 2017, 04:11:35 PM
Wow... those are really poor.  I especially like how they have the exhaust systems switched from car to car.  No front spoilers?
Mike Camicia
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on March 07, 2017, 04:02:17 AM
Here are some photos I took of the Challenger seat mount a number of years ago.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on March 07, 2017, 04:05:35 AM
A few more, plus one of my daughter sitting in the car.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: group/7 on March 15, 2017, 06:38:43 PM
Mike (Swede70), you are doing fantastic work on all your models, takes infinite talent, patience, and a lot of time to do the work you do, and correct !
Question for you, I found this photo, taken at NNL West in 2016, on the net, Bob Tullius '66 Dodge Dart. is this 1/8th ? or another scale. I don't recall this model in period, Maybe AMT did it ? has it been done by any Resin casters ?.
significant car ! Tullius and Adamowicz  won the first Trans-Am race with it at Sebring in 1966.


Mike, in Canada
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: cuda48 on March 16, 2017, 03:08:32 PM
I go to that show every year.   These were all 1/25th scale.  This is a resin body offered by a vendor.  Their theme for that year was Trans Am.

Camicia
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on March 18, 2017, 06:31:51 PM
Thanks everyone for the very kind and informed input and feedback...

Oh my - where to start?  Thank you very much Jon for the definitive sweep of Challenger seat installation photographs which will help my efforts immensely.  I've poured a few extra seats to afford patch material to reposition the seat belt pass through holes, while I'm contemplating just how to better capture the upholstery detail stretching around the seat shell proper.  Plastic coated wire will likely be employed for the structural seat lattice work, whereas your photos again will certainly be employed to better master the mounting hardware that has been fabricated up until now.  I hope the Munchkin Mrk. I. seen seated inside the 1:1 #77 is doing well! 
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Indeed, with the 50th Anniversary of the old Can Am as well as the Trans Am arriving on the calendar a good many regional contest were so-themed or so sub-themed.  Although there has always been a solid flow of high quality work done by various individuals across scales that is '66-'72 SCCA Trans Am themed, the increasing visibility of the old Trans Am combined with the arrival of new tools and occasional resin releases of note has seen more enthusiasts create such replicas.  The Group 44 Dart seen in the above post looks quite nice - thanks for bringing our collective attention to it.  Perhaps in time I will be able to find the same resin Dart.
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(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/Swede%20Cuda%20twenty%20three%20002_zpstcsat1vm.jpg)

...and a mild update of sorts.  Given that I haven't the equivalent of a stack of low-cost, unassembled 1:18th plastic kits to draw spares from, I must instead search intently for parts from damaged models or those on hand for items that might be copied, modified and copied, or in some instances scratch built to suit my needs and to push my projects ahead.  What is seen in the photograph is a series of open face molds as well as two-part urethane molds I've worked up consistent with creating needed supplies.   Employing such, GMP Trans Am Camaro Hurst shifter assemblies can be reproduced (to later be vacuum plated unlike the standard GMP issue), a Hurst reverse lock out lever is seen (employed on the AAR 'Cuda's then), while further seen is a Shelby Collectibles GT 350R shift boot that will overlay vacuum plated resin plates with small divots ground into the corners to vaguely represent set screws.  Positioned in the middle is a new one-piece mold for a GMP Trans Am Camaro seat mount that I hadn't done up until now. 

Also noticed will be the happy result of efforts to reproduce the signal light lenses specific to the race AAR 'Cudas and positioned on the roll cage main hoop positioned approximately two-thirds of the way up on either side.  Tail lights from a 1:25th scale AMT 1968 Corvette which feature faint radial ribs across the surface and likewise come to a soft point as such were carefully cut out and isolated, whereupon the four I had were used to create the urethane mold seen on the far right.  The mold was passed to a fellow scale enthusiast known for his quality 1:32nd scale period slot car windshield reproductions, who very kindly employed his methods to yield me extremely serviceable examples in clear resin. 

In particular, clear resin mixed and poured at room temperature typically clouds for very small bubbles remaining visible in the mix, while drawing the material into any mold often proves problematic.  For much trial and error effort, heating both the resin as well as placing the mold or molds employed in a toaster over across hours can ameliorate the problem, and thankful I am to be able to lean upon those who've done the arduous work necessary to perfect the problem at a cottage industry-level.  Though difficult to make out, the results are fine indeed and happy I am for his evident knowledge and skill - kind thanks to Brad in SE Michigan.  Again, thank you each for looking in and contributing in a personally valued way. 

Mike K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: cuda48 on March 20, 2017, 08:03:18 PM
Mike,
Those pit "signal" lights were front turn signals off 67-68 Mustang on the real car.

Camicia
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on March 25, 2017, 05:55:51 PM
Mike,

I'm glad I was able to help with the Challenger seat pics and that they will help you make a better, more accurate model.

I'm very impressed with the molds you are creating to make needed parts and the resin "glass" as well.  Great job and thank you for keeping us informed.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: BULLITT65 on March 25, 2017, 06:11:53 PM
With how accurate your models are, I could see some reverse engineering a trans am car based on the pics of your models!
(the pics of the castings are great)
WTG
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on March 28, 2017, 11:30:20 PM
Greetings,

Thanks Mike Camicia for the information and insight as to the 1:1 source of the light assemblies employed by AAR on the race 'Cuda roll hoops.  In 1:18th the Greenlight '67 - '68 Mustang assemblies aren't quite usable thus, whereas the '67 -'68 AUTOart Mustangs are perhaps too expensive to even contemplate employing in such a fashion!  On a longer-term 'to-do' list is to gather the full run of Popular Mechanics issues covering the 'Driving with Dan' column and question and answer forum published and found within select '67-'72 issues I do believe.  One answer afforded across a '71 installment addressed the use of these signaling lamps, though I regret I haven't a copy of the text to reproduce here. 
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In relation to the hoped-for accuracy of whatever one might undertake in scale, the promise exists that what results obtained might equal or even at times better what has been restored in 1:1 - trusting of course that the ride in question still exists.  In the back of my mind at least I know my particular scale Challenger will have a flat black top, while my earlier season 'Cuda will have the 'New Gurney Blue' finish looking a bit like a slightly creamier and violet-hued 'Sunoco Blue' if my meaning is understood.  Usually the scale efforts markedly trail behind what has been meticulously done in 1:1 - but not always!  The model enthusiast can also indulge in fantasy 'what if' topics with abandon; i.e. how about a phantom Group 44 '70 Dodge factory-backed effort, or a Panther Pink/Vic Elford-driven Autodynamics Challenger with a B&M-modified automatic transmission fitted?  Or, what about a pair of would have been ARA/Roy Woods '70 customer AAR 'Cudas in their traditional yellow and black livery?  It can be fun to ponder such...
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Now for a brief divergence, this being a recent promotional model rehabilitation done in 1:25th scale.  Here is seen a recent $8 antique store purchase originally painted in some goopy black enamel finish complete with lurid decals, Jo-Han Maverick promotional model wheels, plus scale rear slicks!  Happily the awful paint finish fell away for delicate efforts made to strip the same, whereas given this Big Bad Orange example remained far from perfect (i.e. both A-pillars are twinged if you will), I thought I'd make a mild effort to create an unofficial Mark Donohue edition of what remained (see the adjoining period advertising image).  A spare Jo-Han 1970 Mark Donohue Trans Am spoiler was added with white glue after painting the part with Tamiya aerosol - a fair match it seems.  Noticed too will be the very acceptable Fred Cady '70 Javelin SST stripe work rarely seen applied.

The rims are Jo-Han Magnum 500's with promo-style axle mounting points, while more appropriate tires perhaps might otherwise have taken the form of Goodyear Polyglas GT's with the tiny raised white letters.  A defense can be offered up to the extent that Javelin SST promotional models in '70 typically featured redlines. Given this, I opted to use a set of Stevens International vinyl tires from the early 1990's I had which seemed to employ the original Jo-Han tire molds, but substituting softer material and featuring much better quality control on the redline detail itself.  Obsolete kit glass replaces the damaged original fitment (not fitting too well in full truth), whereas the front and rear bumpers have been rechromed.  Thanks for examining this brief post...

Mike K.

(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/Big%20Bad%20Orange%20Mark%20Donohue%20two%20009_zpsyc8byrff.jpg)
(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/Big%20Bad%20Orange%20Mark%20Donohue%20two%20015_zps5yl6brkz.jpg)
(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/Donohue%20advertisement_zps4lso88jj.jpg)

M.K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on April 01, 2017, 04:51:24 AM
Mike, that Javelin turned out very nice for something you bought for $8 and had to strip. The stripes look great on it and the spoiler, wheels and tires look great too, although the Magnum 500 wheels could use some black to bring out the details. It's a shame you couldn't get the glass to fit better.

Your "what if" suggestions like a Group 44 '70 Challenger are intriguing to think about and a model of such a hypothetical machine is a great way to bring something like that to life. I can't see Tullius and Group 44 having any less luck than the other Mopars did in the '70 Trans-Am series.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on June 20, 2017, 06:54:54 PM
Greetings and thanks for reading this most recent posting...

Although marketed as a 'Tribute Car' with few Trans Am-specific parts, ACME recently released a 1:18th diecast '68 Shelby Racing Co. corporate blue #2 Dan Gurney/(Horst Kwech) entry that is being sold new as this is written.  The model isn't perfection for being less flares, etc., but all the same the exterior livery has been sensitively replicated and cleanly applied.  In particular, I doubt I'd find the correct font style for the #2 reproduced accurately anywhere.  Seen below is a wheel and tire conversion recently performed consistent with making things appear more accurate.  Very special thanks to 'Oldtimer' for his great generosity for which this project would not have been possible.

(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/ACME%20Mustang%20one_zpsyklxqhwt.jpg)

...the most recent release then.  To my knowledge the mid-season livery change to Corporate Blue was never combined with the Daytona and Sebring-specific 'TA' class identification or ever featured 'Shelby Racing Co.' fender top identification - so off it came!  Careful masking and acetone scrubbing accomplished with a fistful of cotton swabs made short work of these markings on the model seen below.

(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/Titus%20Watkins%20Glen%20one_zpsvl7c9dvp.jpg)

...Titus on the move in '68, perhaps at St. Jovite given the hilly terrain?

(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/1968ShelbyTransAmMustangasyoulldoitinscale_zpscd6d3c63.jpg)

...oh, and why not a '68 Watkins Glen grid shot?  You can kinda/sorta see #2 just behind #1 Titus. 

(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/1968%20Titus%20Mustang%20late%20two%20003_zpsggzzlcn1.jpg)

Wheels are ACME 1:18th '65 Dodge altered wheelbase American Torque Thrust rears cast in resin and mated to 1:25th Pegasus turned aluminum 22 inch 'barrels' cut down for use here as exterior wheel lips.  Cast resin reproductions of the GMP 1:18th '67-'69 Penske Camaro wheels were used to mate the first two-thirds of each wheel assembly to the old GMP Trans Am tires seen employed here, whereas hub and mounting material was likewise recycled from the old GMP Trans Am wheel and tire set to attach each to the model chassis proper.  The resin GMP brake discs seen here were not used, but rather replaced with chromed washers picked up at a big box hardware store.

(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/1968%20Titus%20Mustang%20late%20eight%20014_zpsxg4hwuuj.jpg)

...although basic at this point, '68 specific headlamp fill panels have been fitted, ride height has been altered as well as track, a fuel cell housing has been fitted, whereas a modified GMP fuel cell inlet has been added to the deck lid.

(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/1968%20Titus%20Mustang%20late%20eight%20015_zpsfduglazu.jpg)

...seen in profile then, with the chromed washers employed as brake discs showing to good effect.  More to come in the usual split and schizoid style that is my hallmark.  Thanks for examining this most recent posting...

Mike K.

Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: BULLITT65 on June 20, 2017, 08:13:49 PM
The Mustang turned out nice. I did notice the 1:1 car the rear marker lights are recessed, but than pronounced on yours. This is likely moulded into your shell when you start. I am surprised that the 1:1 would have a plate or something welded in. Maybe they welded them in to prevent a broken reflector cutting a tire or something. Also the fenders on the 1:1 look flared quite a bit, but again that may be hard to duplicate.

How many cars do you have on display in your collection?
Are they behind glass, or how do you prevent dust from collecting on them?
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Oldtimer on June 20, 2017, 08:36:09 PM
Nice job on the Mustang, Mike!
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Trans Åm on June 21, 2017, 01:23:27 AM
Great looking Mustang, very keen job. How many "G" can it pull around the bends?
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on June 23, 2017, 03:28:35 AM
Mike, the Mustang looks great as a result of your efforts.  Thanks for sharing the pics.  I would have never known that acetone could take off the white lettering without screwing up the blue underneath.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on June 30, 2017, 06:08:45 PM
Thanks everyone for the kind interest displayed and replies afforded...

Indeed, most every project I have vanishes into a sealed case largely to ward away dust.  I imagine too that observing such protocol prevents me from endlessly revising some projects for the labor to move all the cases necessary to access this or that project is often judged prohibitive! 

Concerning necessary body modifications, a more elaborate Greenlight-based '68 Mustang project has been harbored and kept out of sight for some time, this complete with factory flares and revised front and rear valences.  Initially intended to be a blue late-season entry, in time I hope it will emerge as a reasoned earlier season pale yellow #1.  At first I just didn't believe that my multi-part wheels would be strong enough to support the weight of the project, but happily this concern hasn't proved as debilitating as first feared. 

(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/Nikon%20nine%20006_zpsqf7whaeg.jpg)

...this would be the revised '67-'68 front valence, looking a bit shark-like for removal of the usual blade bumper.  The valence of another Greenlight Mustang was cut off with a razor saw, plugged for holes, and then cast in resin before being reshaped to result in what is seen here.  The upper portion is wholly scratch built.  Look closely and front flares can just be made out...

(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/Nikon%203%20002_zps2xhpmb6t.jpg)

...flare work further discerned (a bit chubby in point of fact), with the GT-style exhaust cutouts removed entirely from the valence panel for scratch building a substitute.  Some contours have been added as has been a license plate mount. 

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(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/1968%20Titus%20Mustang%20late%20eleven%20006_zpsnl2uulvc.jpg)

...'68-specific door panels from an earlier Greenlight tool waiting for paint prior to being added to the factory-finished blue example then.  The model came through with '67 panels, while the door-mounted shoulder pad seen in the reference photo needed to be scratch built and added as shown.

Lastly, for much not strictly obvious effort, the rather odd two-thirds length sun screen has been added to the top of the windscreen of the late '68 season Shelby Racing Co. Mustang.  Initial efforts to mask the area in situ failed miserably for poor finish control; i.e. puddling along the edges, seepage, etc.  Eventually I obtained some clear decal film and sprayed Tamiya Smoke tint onto it prior to applying Testor's Decal Bonder atop it to effect a seal.  A pattern reproducing the radius of the top of the screen helped me to cut the material accurately without strictly chipping it, whereupon the finished tinted panel was transferred as a typical water slide decal to the work proper without much fuss.  The exterior rear view mirror has been removed and touched in, as has the antenna mount atop the fender.  Yep - the windshield wipers are missing!  Perhaps not much to see, but still looking fairly good. 

(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/1968%20Titus%20Mustang%20late%20forteeen%20003_zpsazabbert.jpg)

Thanks for your reviewing this update.


Mike K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on June 16, 2018, 05:26:28 PM
Greetings,

With the revision of the Photobucket.com fee schedule I will likely return to the airwaves here, whereas what is seen below is in essence a test image to confirm that old links back to the third-party photo hosting site work as before.  $400 per year was not justifiable, although the revised and smaller scale pricing options will likely allow me to 'do what I do' consistent with lending a bit of hobby color to the CRG.  For some time I've been posting on various Facebook.com boards either directed related to the historic SCCA Trans Am scene or upon various driver's fan pages such as they exist.  Third-party hosting fees were thereby sidestepped, although know I miss the community here.  At the very least, old images hitherto stored on Photobucket.com are now visible and can be linked to irrespective of the fact that I've not yet reupped at any strict level...

Quite a few new releases in 1:18th scale diecast have either been released or have been announced since I last passed through the virtual heavens, this including both 1970 Chrysler Corp. factory efforts, a Sam Posey '69 Lime Rock winning BOSS 302, as well as further Greenlight '68 Mustang variants.   Into the future sealed resin models (i.e. no opening hood or deck lid, non-opening doors and scant chassis detail) will come to dominate, with a pair of 1:18th '71/'72 Trans Am American Motors Javelins expected at some time via Replicarz.  Retail for the latter is expected to be a nose-bleedy $200 and (perhaps) an October '18 delivery date. 

The inflationary pressure on the manufacturers translates into old tools being quite endlessly recycled, old releases demanding more on the used market, and rather trimmed back detail on what few newly-tooled releases eventually surface.  At least I'll have a lot of work to do given I'll likely not be satisfied with anything that comes down the proverbial pike!  The old tools will still need a considerable shove in the right direction to look tolerable, whereas the cheaper and decontented newer tools will require infusion of this and that simply to compare to releases of old - sigh...

I have picked up both the ACME (Hwy. 61 tool w/mods.) '70 AAR 'Cuda Dan Gurney racer as well as the same make '70 Autodynamics Challenger, while both have received quite a bit of work consistent with what it is I do.  I hope to share the same soon.  My Gurney 'Cuda has been done over cosmetically to reflect his '70 Riverside retirement ride, while the Sam Posey Challenger has a nice and very flat black top at the very least as it darn well ought!  I had to paint the semi-gloss finish over - I just had to.  Kind regards to the board...

(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q751/1976PoseyBMW/Second%20Javelin_zpsi68xzkp5.jpg)

Mike K.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: MO on June 17, 2018, 01:02:21 AM
Great to see you back on Mike! Look forward to seeing your progress!
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on June 20, 2018, 03:50:30 AM
Great to have you back, Mike.  I understand your issues with Photobucket.  I paid the $400 just to keep the pics alive here but I'm very relieved that they got wise to that lunacy and made the cost more manageable.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: MO on June 20, 2018, 04:46:24 AM
That's an amazing gesture Jon!
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Trans Åm on July 07, 2018, 03:17:59 AM
Great to have you back, Mike.  I understand your issues with Photobucket.  I paid the $400 just to keep the pics alive here but I'm very relieved that they got wise to that lunacy and made the cost more manageable.
Might they offer a refund for your, Jon?
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on July 03, 2020, 08:36:56 PM
Greetings,

An Imgur third-party photo image hosting experiment this (yes - it took me long enough), noticed would be a 1:18th scale '70 Chaparral Camaro based upon the very old ERTL tool taking shape.  Replicarz has announced a sealed resin iteration of the same topic, although for $239.95, I'm thinking I need to work up something with opening panels even if the tabulated expenses run quite close to what might be eventually asked for the sealed model.  I have a backlog of SCCA Trans-Am projects harboring in the shadows, hence more may yet be seen, while know I miss the interest and feedback registered in the past.  Kind thanks...

(https://i.imgur.com/8QVnKqx.jpg)

This would be Vic Elford circulating around Riverside, CA during the '70 Mission Bell 200.  Basically it's the topic, and pretty much what I desire even at Watkins Glen is the obvious choice in relation to final specification.  In a descriptive sense, what follows is much-compressed.  Look closely and one will see my '70 T/G Firebird project beneath some images which features progress and far better rendered rear flares as contrasted to before.  And yes - I do own paint and proper finishing supplies - but will I ever use such?

(https://i.imgur.com/poiAILV.jpg)

Seen underhood with hideous dog leg hinges on full display, a GMP '68 Chevrolet Trans-Am crossram-equipped small block engine sold on a blisterpack has been revised somewhat to suggest a '70 Chaparral spec.  A '67 single 4BBL intake was cast, as were finned LT1-style valvecovers.  The air cleaner lid is a Hwy. 61 '69 COPO Camaro part separated from what would otherwise be a combined lid and seal assembly, while a narrowed and tilted GMP Trans-Am Camaro Harrison radiator assembly is sited on scratch built support structure. 

Also discerned will be a coolant expansion tank w/mount, a remote oil filter installation, and what is intended to appear as a near-standard accessory drive with the alternator installed high and to the right.  The master cylinder and brake booster assembly is standard GMP Trans-Am Camaro fare, while the visible third of the resin upper control arms are similarly sourced.  Headers are standard GMP items, although if someway to work up the shape and design of Kustom Headers is found, then that will be the path forward. 

Experiments with clear plastic sheet of various thicknesses continues consistent with replacing the fabricated front spoiler with something akin to 'unbreakable Lexan'.  Unfortunately my efforts will likely prove delicate indeed by way of contrast.  And just in passing, here may be seen one front bumper option without the delicate bumper guards in-place, while further below a stripped part with bumper guards is difficult to make out given it's cast in black plastic.  The casting and contour of the bumpers front and rear required work, and will subsequently be vacuum-plated as COVID-19 (the original horror versus the expected sequels) winds down.

(https://i.imgur.com/QRe4HDU.jpg)

Long pushed to the side given I'd hadn't a clue how to reproduce the panel flares, behold the model with - gasp - panel flares.  A spare body was fitted out with plastic walls or borders outlining the extent of each flare as per information gleaned from the relevant FIA homologation forms, whereupon I set the shell on it's side and poured resin directly into a succession of four pockets.  Mold release was sprayed into each pocket or recess, while eventually the material set up and the resultant chunks 'o resin were snapped off and reshaped to resemble what is seen here.  Not the work of an afternoon, or even several afternoons.  I'm hoping to create a mold to do duplicates if only to backstop my efforts, versus attempting to install the single set and risking all for so-doing.  Oh, and just in passing, note that the low-rent ERTL plastic 'glass' can be polished up to look better than one might suspect...

(https://i.imgur.com/C2l4jc5.jpg)

Here the model is seen in profile, consuming as it does body work from about three ERTL releases for having a flat hood, unperforated doors sans exterior racing mirrors, a standard nose versus the usual RS-treatment, and the taller D80 rear spoiler.  Just turning up an interior without the upgraded trim with faux wood inserts is something of a challenge, although a few ERTL releases afford such.  The cage may be done again given the main hoop could have been positioned further back, although it's very tight as-is.  To ensure the cage fits as tight at it might relative to the thick body shell metal, the plastic headliner that otherwise joins the front and rear screens has been cut out.  Tires are Jouef/Eagle's Race Ford GT40/Gulf Mirage Firestones, the wheels are revised resin Minilites done before to support other efforts.  The standard exterior rear view mirror is from a Lane '68 Firebird 400 H.O., while the outlines of the fabricated fuel cell housing can barely be discerned below.

(https://i.imgur.com/RpZQ32z.jpg)

Briefly glimpsed would be the Chaparral gauge pod set into the dash, as well as the ERTL D80 rear spoiler that required and has received a degree of attention.  The spoiler as-delivered is missing material beneath the main element as it floods over each respective quarter panel top, while the end profiles and height of the element itself needed subtle correcting.  A former concern about the height of the side screen/glass openings around the passenger compartment has been seen too to the extent that each opening has been filed flat to eliminate the rain gutter and window seal detail, while some file work served to enlarge each opening for expanding upwards into the roof.  Note how the rear windscreen border profile matches the contour of where the side window openings pick up (best appreciated for examining an unmodified example).  It does look better!  Thanks for your review and consideration of yet another unfinished scale project, suitably-themed.

Mike K./Swede70
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: MO on July 04, 2020, 08:41:57 PM
Mike,

Glad to see you back posting again. I've missed seeing your outstanding projects and workmanship!!
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on July 06, 2020, 01:11:23 AM
Mike,

Very nice to have you back.  Can't believe you can stomach that '70 model with those horrible hood hinges but I'm guessing you haven't found something better to work with.  When will you get back on that '67 Penske Camaro project that has languished for too long?
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on July 08, 2020, 04:13:36 AM
Thanks for the renewed interest...

Sadly I wrecked the original 1:18th GMP '67 Penske Camaro for misguided experiments related to applying racing stripes right down the back of the tail panel as was desired.  A mess was made, the remains of which were parted out.  With greater experience I'm much more adept at fabricating roll cages, while some effort is being made to husband supplies and research to create what will likely be a '67 Kent, WA iteration given I'd rather have replicate something in a high developmental state versus the '67 Daytona 24HR release GMP initially afforded us.  Some painted subassemblies were saved from attempt #1, while a firm by the name of IndyCals now has four 1967-season Penske Racing Trans-Am Camaro waterslide decal sheets that may be ordered in 1:18th to help revise the livery to suit.  Perhaps ponder these offerings via the link provided:

https://www.indycals.net/decals/canam/67penskecamaro.html

-

Indeed - the ERTL'70 Camaro hood and door hinges are a fright, although the tool is still better proportioned than anything that has come to market as strange as this fact is to report.  For a period the 1:18th Franklin Mint '70 Z/28 was expected to sweep all before it in terms of quality, but ultimately proved very disappointing for its very odd proportions and banana-like side profile in particular.  Somehow these scale oddities (for Franklin Mint then) command more than $125 used and are best avoided.  Older releases of the ERTL tool, especially the first '70 Z/28 iteration in Citrus Green, can be had for not so much secondhand, although I'd hesitate to recommend to anyone purchasing a newer release given prices have crept up to $79.95 for what is really something not much more sophisticated than was sold for $29.95 eons ago. 

Seen just below would be a late 1:18th Autoworld (rebadged ERTL then) release of a '70 SS350 Camaro lightly modified to suggest a SS396 iteration with RPO PO2 wheelcovers, a blacked-out tail panel, rechromed exhaust tips after having first removed the mold lines, and eventual '65 Z16 SS396 Chevelle 'power' if you will from a 1:18 Lane release sold separately by ACME.  It looks nice, although here would be a $79.95 model with wheels and tires from a $150 discontinued model of some rarity.  The AutoART RPO PO2 wheel covers plus tires came from a diecast breaker of sorts in Germany, and were picked up for 15 Euros, but working up something of reasoned quality can quickly grow expensive.  Little wonder I purchase few and work those that I do over hard...

(https://i.imgur.com/1blbJhV.jpg)

Recently a Maisto '71 Z/28 was released, and while not hateful at the price point afforded, it isn't much better versus the ERTL releases that came before.  Washing ashore at CostCo stores and the like, for about $15 or less, one can be yours.  The hinges are just as hamfisted and glaringly obvious as what would be found on an ERTL or now Autoworld release, although if one seeks low-cost fodder for limited mods, worse choices exist. 

Lastly, the Replicarz sealed resin '70 Chaparral Camaro hasn't strictly been seen, with a 1:43 Spark model subbing for the actual thing on the namesake Replicarz website.   Not much to review when this message was scribbled, but one may follow the link to ponder the announcement of such: 

https://www.replicarz.com/1970-Chaparral-T_A-Road-America-Jim-Hall/productinfo/R18203/

I wonder if the wheels and tires tooled for their '71-'72 Trans-Am Javelins will be reused on this last release, while if so then I'm not hugely hopeful as some shortcuts were taken; i.e. the wheel diameters are different front-to-rear on the Javelin releases to suggest more in the way of difference between each end or axle viewed at a glance.  People love the finish on the Replicarz Trans-Am Javelins, although the price asked ($239.95) has turned others away or soured them completely.  No panels open on either the Javelins or upcoming Chaparral Camaro; i.e. no engine detail, no opening doors or trunk access - this a sign of the times as design, licensing, material and labor costs drive down detail and drives up prices. 

Within days I'll post a limited redo of a Replicarz '71 Penske Javelin consistent with working with what is afforded.  Very nicely developed '68 and '69 Ronnie Kaplan Engineering/Javelin Racing Team scale replicas based upon much older 1:24th Jo-Han plastic kits further linger in the background as projects to share.  Thanks...


Mike K./Swede70
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on July 11, 2020, 09:53:50 PM
Mike,

Wow, I'm sorry to hear that about the '67 Penske model.  I hope you'll eventually come around to making a second attempt.  It's nice to see somebody has made four different decal sheets for the '67 car.  A pleasant surprise.

Besides the terrible hinges on the '70 model, it seems the side window opening is just not right.  Most of the rest of it seems to be OK.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on July 23, 2020, 12:59:54 AM
Greetings...

This would be my 1967 Penske Donohue Trans-Am Camaro Kent, WA taking shape, again based on the GMP #36 '67 Daytona 24HR tool of old.  An example was found for $110 and pretty much reflects what could be had w/box without further ado.  The framed side window vents seem taller and fit better versus the reissues in particular, hence this is something.   Worry not - the '69-model dash and dash pad painted light gray here is fated to be excised like a tumor...

(https://i.imgur.com/q0Qd8hP.jpg)

Some diecast rash was in evidence across the hood and seems typical of these models when purchased second hand; i.e. one must be careful!  In particular, polishing out the stripes and numeral overlaying onto the paint otherwise seen on the right forward section of the hood was no fun at all.  For long it appeared I couldn't save it, although happily some of the worst areas were fated to vanish beneath a new stripe application.  Yes - this model has a past...

(https://i.imgur.com/uQw3xVE.jpg)

Other things done include the removal of the silver-painted drip rail trim, relocated numeral/roundels, a replacement deck lid with an narrow oval refueling perforation, and altered wheel paint versus standard.  The waterslide markings were sourced from IndyCals (see note and link above), while 'Goodyear' marked tires replace the 'Firestone' marked tires.  As for the tread design, the GMP tires seem to be '71 and later Goodyear wets and nothing I can strictly replace at the moment. 

The trunk lid numeral/roundel is still attached to it's sheet and won't be applied given I can't adequately trim away the excess yellow material visible along the edge.  A new decal sheet will be ordered, with a better registered numeral/roundel substituted in consistent with keeping things both clean and sharp.  And just briefly, a spare rear screen was swapped in sans retension straps afforded on the GMP '67 Daytona 24HR release.  Retension clips were fitted, albeit not straps from what I can tell...

(https://i.imgur.com/YKaRGVm.jpg)

Moving along, some underhood items are noticed in the form of resin 'stamped steel' valve covers and a Lane/Exact Detail single 4BBL cowl induction setup that replaces what I worked up long ago.  My hope is to leave more things in place consistent with simplifying the repaint process across the chassis, although some things still stand to be altered.

Kind thanks to Jon Mello for your contributions variously manifest (saving the image content long ago in particular - whew!) given it's been helpful to review the insight you'd provided.  Conscious of what has been shared earlier, I'm carefully reviewing materials much further up this thread as I go about revising the roll cage configuration in particular - a second time this.  Thanks to anyone whom might mull this project update...

Mike K./Swede70
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on July 25, 2020, 04:39:08 AM
Mike,

I was glad to be able to keep the old photos and it's good they are of use to you as you go back through the thread.  I'm thrilled you are working on a new & improved '67 Penske Camaro.  I offered up photos and information to GMP when they were doing these models in the pre-production stage in the hopes they would do a nicer, more accurate job.  I wanted a black interior and true '67 dash in the '67 car but in the end they standardized things across the three years, much to my chagrin.  I did get several pre-production models for free for my troubles so I didn't completely strike out.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on August 02, 2020, 03:08:41 PM
Thanks Jon again for all you have done...

Happily the chassis and how it is specifically screwed together is known for long experience, hence disassembly wasn't too much of a challenge.  Here the chassis casting, front subframe and other parts have been refinished consistent with making the model appear as something production-based prior to Penske Racing's practice of finishing most surfaces in gray paint.  Where's the problem on the car?  I dunno - I can't SEE the problem!

It's a bit underwhelming to notice this or that assembly vanish into the darkness given the lack of contrast between assemblies, although some things tried in recent days are helping the overall look of things.  Seen will be work to create better exhaust dumps for use of 5/32nd or 3.97 mm brass tube in combination with locating pins off the back of each header collector fashioned from 1/8" or 3.2 mm plastic rod sanded down to ensure a tight fit.  Another set of  the dumps was bent up for eventual use on my '68 Penske Camaro consistent with scattered finish work necessary to square away my GMP Penske Camaro trio.

(https://i.imgur.com/ZUPsO55.jpg)

Notice how the exhaust dumps angle up a bit near the rocker panels just prior to exiting.  I would try to cut each dump off at the appropriate angle which seemed different than the more or less flush cut seen across earlier events that season.  I don't see any clips holding the dumps in-place here, hence what was worked up has to be stiff enough not to strictly require such. 

Even in the wake of review of the '67 SCCA General Competition Rules, I'm not sure Penske used a standard stamped steel fuel tank or a fuel cell.  Perhaps they doubled up higher capacity halves in the style of the Ford teams, while the two trunk image I have of a trunk-mounted battery being topped up or charged doesn't reveal any specific detail to help clarify matters.  Up front, a pair of chromed bathroom hardware washers have been employed as brake discs, their utility manifest as not appearing stamped on the cheap or for evidencing uneven or discolored plating.

(https://i.imgur.com/m6oaOgx.jpg)

And while not disassembled, the mold seams on each header have here been sanded away consistent with rendering them invisible under paint.  Finding an appropriate matte pale yellow took a little time, with my first effort being too thick and actually fuzzy to the touch.  Some hardware detail on the chassis has been painted, although much of what is discerned is just stock GMP issue. 

(https://i.imgur.com/EgO7cht.jpg)

Better capturing the bend to ensure each exhaust dump would run tight against the floor surface and rocker panels in particular.  I like brass, although sadly I've not had much success bending it for use across my 1:25th topics.  I misplaced my only photo of the drilled and hence ventilated brake drums, although I'm not sure the parts I used here would have strictly been made out to reveal such work had it been attempted. 

(https://i.imgur.com/JJQQvj4.jpg)

...and finally, in paint.  It proved hard to capture the paint tone for the limitations of my equipment teamed to thin technique, although apart and away from the image seen here, I'm largely happy with the effect generated.  Thanks for your review of this small update.

Mike K./Swede70

Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on August 14, 2020, 03:40:23 PM
Greetings,

Upon the unexpected receipt of a pair of GMP '67 Penske #16 Geo. Follmer body shells from ijb40/Oldtimer (with very kind thanks expressed! M.K.), here I've opted to replace my zinc rash-impacted original with the best panels on hand.  Although discreet, an effort was made to disassemble and carefully mask the shell to overpaint all areas hitherto finished in light gray in Tamiya TS-15 Blue lacquer to match the body hue.  These areas would include the undersurfaces of the roof and A-pillars, all the door jambs and the trunk walls besides.  New decals were ordered, while one hood stripe decal was removed and recycled for use on the replacement shell given I misjudged how a new image ought to have been trimmed. 

(https://i.imgur.com/LBgp97G.jpg)

This would be the new brass tube exhaust dumps in-place and on the chassis.  These were painted a pale dusty yellow as were the headers...

(https://i.imgur.com/fQ0FNbQ.jpg)

Although the inner door structure still required paint when this photo was taken, here the better shell w/decals is seen.  Microscale Liquid Decal Film was used to add a bit of stick to the back of the recycled waterslide decal that is surprisingly holding fast...

(https://i.imgur.com/TfzG3FL.jpg)

With the hood up, painted black beneath and scrubbed clean of overspray on the top side.  Mercifully the hood scissor hinge paint hasn't scrubbed off for the actual use of such...

(https://i.imgur.com/k7YJv6L.jpg)

With the tail panel stripes growing, albeit the valence panel has been removed and requires repair before being copied in resin to afford refinish options and latitude for other possible modifications.  Thanks for your review of this scale project update.

Mike K./Swede70
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: MO on August 14, 2020, 11:52:03 PM
Looking good Mike! Awesome gesture on the gifting by Oldtimer!
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: crossboss on August 15, 2020, 05:03:13 PM
Fantastic! Excellent work, I'm jealous.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on August 18, 2020, 01:19:12 PM
Thanks for the kind continuing notice everyone...

Moving along, the GMP '67-'69 Trans-Am Camaro range are each fitted what would presumably be a Harrison aluminum radiator set back somewhat from the radiator support, with structure afforded to shift matters rearward.  For review of period photos, this appears a somewhat later development, hence a bit of trimming and parts substitution will be done to backdate things. 

(https://i.imgur.com/9ydpOZV.jpg)

Andrew Keller image of the topic underhood at Marlboro '67 then...

(https://i.imgur.com/Zh2L5Da.jpg)

...while here I've opted to cut the fill panel detail that would otherwise seal the gap between the radiator support and header panel looking forward, while a Lane/Exact Detail '68 Firebird 400 H.O. affords a replacement radiator that appears more appropriate.  A brass mesh debris screen will be added forward of the radiator cut out on the support, while the otherwise hidden oil cooler installation should become visible and will likely be plumbed. 

(https://i.imgur.com/YgAn9Zn.jpg)

Although aspects of the engine and transmission can be disassembled to facilitate paintwork, much of it can only be masked with difficulty.  Seen above are a few minor additions and guesses, with Eastwood's 1:1 restoration line of spray paints being tapped for refinishing the transmission case in particular.  Alumi-Blast is a rather heavy metallic aerosol paint intended to reproduce the look of cast aluminum, and here in 1:18th scale it basically works.  Silly Putty was used to mask many an irregular surface to yield a tight and precise cut line, while at present I'm hesitating to scratch build a scattershield even as I've painted the stock bellhousing black to suggest something has been substituted in.  Finally, and almost as a lark, driveshift color i.d. bands were added in a rough sense to lend modest visual interest.  Kind thanks for your review of this project update.


Mike K./Swede70
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on August 18, 2020, 01:45:07 PM
Oh - and this rather quick...

For review it appears that the entire GMP '67-'69 Camaro range comes through with either '69 Standard or alternately, '69 Deluxe interior trim.  Oddly enough, the GMP '69 Penske Donohue and Bucknam releases are fitted with the Deluxe trim even as GMP had tooled up the appropriate Standard trim level panels!

In a world without limits I'd design and perhaps 3D-print '67 Standard interior trim panels, or perhaps work up suitable replacements for careful use of cut up architectural plastic sheet and thin bar stock, although here I've cheated a bit.  Instead a set of '69 Standard interior panels here have been overpainted to disguise the existence of the year-specific trim, while a small length of plastic has been added to each panel to suggest '67 Standard spec.   

(https://i.imgur.com/3ZFPMnt.jpg)

...the faux '67 Standard panels are seen above, while below are a set of unmodified '69 Standard trim level panels taken from a GMP '67 Penske Donohue Camaro release - go figure. 

(https://i.imgur.com/E2Qbxfm.jpg)

...with the doors on, the mildly revised interior trim panels on oblique view.  Small photo-etched door lock cylinders now make an appearance.


Sadly I could go no thinner on the U-channel plastic stock options given this was the smallest material I could find, hence I opted to mask the horizontal trim situated higher up on each panel somewhat wider to disguise things.  When installed, everything pretty much vanishes from sight and isn't terrifically obvious, although I do hope it's an improvement.  Thanks again...

Mike K./Swede70
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: MO on August 18, 2020, 10:20:39 PM
Wow Mike, nicely done! Keep the pics and descriptions coming!
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on August 23, 2020, 12:28:13 AM
Thanks for the kind interest expressed...

Seen will be a multi-part accessory drive taking shape, broken down as it is to facilitate paint work, but also to add a second set of pulleys to double up on the drives to the water pump in case of belt failure.  Notice that the pulleys w/belts second from the left is just a duplicate of the all of a piece alternator drive setup, although trimmed and featuring a small belt segment addition to square away matters.  Looking upon things, each pulley element needs to be thinned to appear more appropriate in total, although what's been worked up doesn't appear terrible for being lightly glued together as witnessed. 

(https://i.imgur.com/vaMEavN.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Z7gSoXo.jpg)

...unseen from this angle is a small brass mesh debris screen added on the forward side of the radiator support.  It's been painted to match the support and wouldn't photograph well regardless.

Also noticed will be a new set of old-school scripted 'Chevrolet' valve covers sourced from a 1:18th Hwy. 61 '57 Chevy release, the stamped steel covers bearing scripts in use across '67 before being phased out by GM itself.  I'm creating a urethane mold to cast the covers, hoping too that the script remains legible.  The odd contrast for color seen is attributable to me matching up the new as-delivered valve covers to the GMP small block Chevy cylinder heads.  The fit is quite reasoned, hence no serious issues here.   

(https://i.imgur.com/TzojZus.jpg)

Again - thanks for your review of this most recent scale project update.

Mike K./Swede70
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: MO on August 23, 2020, 06:22:45 PM
Nice detail Mike and I think the valve covers are a nice touch.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on August 24, 2020, 02:48:03 AM
Wow, Mike.  You never cease to amaze me.  Very nice efforts on your part.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on August 31, 2020, 07:10:35 PM
Greetings and thanks for the ongoing interest...

Small stuff, but here would be the multi-part accessory drive in paint, with the new scripted valve covers and breather setup also present.  My camera won't quite capture the old-school 'Chevrolet' scripts cast in to the valve covers as-tooled, although they do register and happily appear in scale. 

In '67 it seems the Dayco D7 outer mass 'checkered' fan belts weren't yet in use (or perhaps available) by Traco, hence this detail couldn't be added in full faith.  Most of what was worked up with be duplicated to go into my '68 Penske Camaro which at present is without an engine.  For recent diecast market trends, 1:18th engines can be purchased separately consistent with recovering matters. 

(https://i.imgur.com/zKmJAHF.jpg)

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Not being sure what was specific fit to the '70 Chaparral Camaro Trans-Am entries in terms of the seat design used, for review of what materials I could examine I thought maybe an early Corbeau, or possibly something done by Scheel-Mann. 

(https://i.imgur.com/9yi76YW.jpg)
K. Ludvigsen image, as captured at '70 Bridgehampton.   

The Dave Friedman Lime Rock '70 photo set features many interior photographs that afford other angles, albeit nothing face-on to an unoccupied seat.  Further, it seems Scheel may have been better on the quality front as contrasted to Corbeau, while for review of the stitching and fabric, perhaps I discounted the former and opted for the latter. 

A 1:18th Solido Meyers Manx yielded up what would seem to be a Corbeau design, although the integrated headrest wasn't desired.  Seen below would be my effort to cut out said headrest, introduce a shortened pad in place of such, and finally, apply putty consistent with suggesting fabric covered foam as apposed to what might be termed vinyl tuck and roll.   

(https://i.imgur.com/3hEftYr.jpg)

...I decided to just cut out the offending area on a resin clone, guiding my efforts based upon what might be construed as cut lines on the Solido rendition of the design.  I do have a 1:18th Minichamps '73 BMW 3.0 CSL with the Scheel seats, although the design isn't any closer to the reference image attached above...

(https://i.imgur.com/Xx0y0zO.jpg)

...a bit overexposed, but what I've worked up to date.  Notice how the cast in seating surfaces have been puttied and sanded to suggest uniformly shaped foam pads.

(https://i.imgur.com/ZrPOUuS.jpg)

...while all wrapped up even as things appear a bit pinched inside.  Thanks for your review of this multi-project update.

Mike K./Swede70
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Oldtimer on September 01, 2020, 12:10:28 AM
Mike - the Solido Meyers Manx seat may be trying to replicate a Steve McQueen “Solar” seat.

There was one in the ‘69 former Bolus and Snopes racing Camaro I bought back in 1975.

I’ll see if I can find a picture.

May not be appropriate for your Penske build, but a reputable and comfortable racing seat nonetheless.

Now, as I begin my B&S custom, I’ll need to remove the GMP-provided seat in the Todco donor and add a Solar from the Manx.

Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on September 01, 2020, 01:00:35 AM
Greetings and thanks for the insights shared...

This would be the CRG Trans-Am racing seat thread, which contains much of interest as well as reference to 'Steve's Neat Seat'. 

http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=7944.0;all

Maybe the Solar Automotive Products (why do I want to say Solar Plastics?) iteration seemed more of a  thin fiberglass shell when I looked at it, but something for me to reconsider all the same.  Some light research on the Meyers Manx might reveal a list of suppliers, etc., which could help too.  I did read a Collectible Automobile feature on Bruce Myers and was favorably impressed; i.e. an interesting  guy and a unique impact he made.  Kind regards...

Mike K./Swede70
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Oldtimer on September 01, 2020, 02:57:16 PM
Mike - the Solido Meyers Manx seat may be trying to replicate a Steve McQueen “Solar” seat.

There was one in the ‘69 former Bolus and Snopes racing Camaro I bought back in 1975.

I’ll see if I can find a picture.

May not be appropriate for your Penske build, but a reputable and comfortable racing seat nonetheless.

Now, as I begin my B&S custom, I’ll need to remove the GMP-provided seat in the Todco donor and add a Solar from the Manx.


Not real clear, but you can see the seat back in the second picture pretty well.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/4394/36752217322_ae0fc565aa_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/XZEHMm)Seat-2 (https://flic.kr/p/XZEHMm) by Jim Forte (https://www.flickr.com/photos/157859435@N04/), on Flickr

(https://live.staticflickr.com/4359/36088844204_5082f54dcc_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WZ3L4N)Tank-2 (https://flic.kr/p/WZ3L4N) by Jim Forte (https://www.flickr.com/photos/157859435@N04/), on Flickr

Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on October 21, 2020, 01:01:22 AM
Neat insight, neat photos of 'Steve's Neat Seat' surely - thanks Oldtimer!

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Greetings...

Seen below would be some scant photo research to support the fabrication of the enlarged filler neck fit in combination with the inlet flap for my particular '69 Penske Trans-Am Camaro.  The 1:18th scale GMP '69 release is accurate for an early-season entry (at M.I.S. most certainly), although the earlier system was soon replaced with an evolving iteration of the much more pronounced for volume filler neck said to possess two to three gallons capacity in it's own right. 

(https://i.imgur.com/UpfnkDN.jpg)

...image from the January '70 Car Life article 'Professionals at Work', photo credit presumably to David Bean.  It would seem to be a fairly early season image judging by the content of other photos accompanying the feature story. 

(https://i.imgur.com/tatlsKW.jpg)

...a glance down into the trunk area of the restored topic.

(https://i.imgur.com/ZteoCIL.jpg)

...and this a late-season photo likely captured by Paul Van Valkenburgh for his '72 title Chevrolet = Racing?  Ten Years of Raucous Silence!  Notice how the design evolved consistent with affording still greater capacity...

(https://i.imgur.com/8P15RGn.jpg)

...my effort thus far, with the top surface a compromise given the GMP trunk lid casting is rather thick for being a diecast metal part.  Further, necessity dictates that the inlet rests at a particular angle and height relative to the surrounding panel work.  In essence, this is an effort guided by the first Car Life photo...

(https://i.imgur.com/4p4gIjl.jpg)

...and just one last image.  The small pair of supports afforded by GMP that attach to the filler neck can be reused, while the vent system plus hoses still stands to be added.  The fuel pump setup has been cut off this spare assembly and is slated to return. 

If anyone might have better period images to flesh out what is needed here, I'd be most appreciative if such were shared.  Although not reproduced or attached here, I do have the Sears DieHard 'It all started with DieHard' print ad. revealing the battery installation in what would likely have been the '69 Riverside Mission Bell 250 entries with an oblique view of other items in the trunk area including the filler flap door and seal.  Kind thanks in advance.

Mike K./Swede70
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: MO on October 21, 2020, 05:30:05 PM
Another of the unfair advantage mods. Good work Mike!
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on January 16, 2021, 06:48:41 AM
Greetings...

Another project hitherto out of sight, this would be a small sampling of images outlining what is intended to be a Ronnie Kaplan Engineering/Javelin Racing Team 1969 SCCA Trans-Am Javelin based largely upon 1:25th Jo-Han tooling.  The chassis is from a Jo-Han '70 Mark Donohue Trans-Am release, the body shell is a backdated '70 Jimmy Flintstone Penske Javelin item with select Jo-Han annual kit parts employed, while the rear flares and specific hood bubble are scratch built.  Earlier tonight I used a new urethane mold created to produce duplicates of the hood seen, hence a review of the total effort seemed appropriate.  Thanks...

(https://i.imgur.com/m0WIKgv.jpg)

...a Jim Brady image depicting Lothar Motschenbacher at St. Jovite '69.  Note the '69-specific offset target grille, the three cut outs seen where a front license plate might otherwise be fitted, the rather rough front spoiler/radiator + brake duct system, etc. 

(https://i.imgur.com/Ts9dpyj.jpg)

...the resin shell was employed mostly to make use of the Jimmy Flintstone front flares.  The fender extensions/trim end caps, grille and front bumper are all annual kit items, the front spoiler is scratch built.  The special RKE hood is based on a twin coved '68 promotional model part cut from a shell with the integrated hood bubble structure created for blending five or six structural elements together that were subsequently blended onto the promo-sourced part.  As this post was written, I can produce clones of the hood - so if you should need an example, consider contacting me...

The roll cage was scratch built, while the rear flares too were scratch built for stacking plastic sheet, creating pucks that were hollowed out and integrated into the aforementioned J. Flintstone product.  Wheels are modified Jo-Han Minilites with MPC Chrysler Kit Car Clement five slot stamped steel wheels outer rims substituted onto the featureless Jo-Han renderings.  Aluminum rod as well as same-sized tube was employed for the hub/wheel centers. 

(https://i.imgur.com/FA9YDld.jpg)

...even without paint it's an eyeful!  A Wink multiple element interior rear view mirror is coming, while here the hood bubble appears well integrated with the standard hood stamping sourced from a '68 release given the Jo-Han '69 Javelins all have the twin faux scoop hood.  Interior side trim is from the '69 annual kit, although it appears Jo-Han didn't update the '68 tool to reflect the '69 stylistic updates.  Note the roll cage gusset detail (minor this) as well as the tabs that tie the structure into the A-pillars.

(https://i.imgur.com/LwOtQvI.jpg)

...rocker panel inserts in the form of plastic 'L' shaped stock will help flesh out things further down.  Note the cutback front wheel arch openings in particular.  Front tires are Jo-Han kit items, the rears are thought to be Scale Model Speedway NASCAR fitment picked up at an area hobby show.

(https://i.imgur.com/mPcPI8A.jpg)

...the dashboard pads have here been ground down, while it seems RKE/JRT either employed a wrapped stock wheel or a Grant rubber rimmed steering wheel.  Here a stock steering wheel has been mated to a Jo-Han taped wheel rim.  The seat is standard Jo-Han stuff in this instance, while the trunk panel was cut out of the Jimmy Flintstone '70 Penske Javelin shell largely to rid it of the cast-in Donohue rear spoiler.  The fuel inlet is a 1:18th GMP Camaro Trans-Am piece that doesn't appear out of scale happily enough. 

(https://i.imgur.com/dLo7dvm.jpg)

...as seen under the hood with the abbreviated tunnel ram in view complete with 3D printed Holley 4500's, later formally christened Dominators.  An AMT Pro Stock Gremlin gave it's life to afford the rudiments of the tunnel ram that was cut down and combined with new mounting flanges to begin matters.  The tiny carburetor air horns are actually Jo-Han '69 S/C Rambler exhaust tips reproduced in resin, trimmed and fit with great care.  The expected and very large fresh air feed box hasn't been fabricated yet, while fear exists that clearance just won't be availed under the hood bubble. 

The cylinder heads are from the Jo-Han '69 SC/Rambler release, while the new Revell '70 Hemi 'Cuda afforded a wiper motor to the firewall that has also had the heater blower motor removed and plugged.  Hidden below is an Aviaid wet sump oil pan based on period photos.

Some brace work stands to be added, although here the promotional model rounded inner wheel housings have been cut out, with modified Jo-Han SC/Rambler structure added including parts that suggest a twin ball joint front suspension RKE successfully homologated and run a year before such mechanical revisions debuted on the '70 model Javelin.  SC/Rambler rear shocks here have been inverted and poke out the top of each suspension turret.  Headers are to come, as well as other smaller details.  Another exhaustive project then!  Thanks for your review of this longish post...

Mike K./Swede70
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: MO on January 16, 2021, 06:44:21 PM
I just continue to be amazed at what you do!
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on January 17, 2021, 06:11:52 AM
Thanks for the kind words and notice...

A COVID-19 project pursued indoors in recent times was a better thought out effort to fabricate the enormous rear flares seen on the T/G Racing '70 Firebird Trans Am/Trans-Am Jerry Titus model I'd been working upon.  Building up sufficient mass that was close fitting and readily shaped wasn't a problem to be solved overnight, but for reasoned success doing the '70 Chaparral flares, I tried the technique employed on the former to secure results on the latter.

In essence and very much like my '70 Camaro, a spare shell was used to essentially copy the surface profile of the panel work onto the back of casting resin poured into carefully segmented and sealed pockets created for the purpose.  Mold release was applied in excess to the spare shell (this time a '70 Firebird modified to remove the rear wheel arch aerodynamic 'spats' forward of each opening), whereupon each ungainly chunk 'o resin was tediously popped off prior to shaping.  If this sounds like a gruesome amount of labor, it's only because it was...

(https://i.imgur.com/6OwG9DT.jpg)

...the subject seen at '70 Mid-Ohio, with the shape of the flares as they terminate forward of the rear wheel arch openings being a bit more pronounced for mass versus what may have been the other car or for reflecting later repairs to such.  Last year on eBay a seller listed a substantial collection of individual slides left behind by someone who hadn't paid on a storage unit.  All were in color and constitute some of the best images captured at that event, while the period enthusiast/photographer who captured them is fated never to be identified...

(https://i.imgur.com/zlT600Q.jpg)

...while this D. Friedman image captures the T/G entry at '70 Laguna Seca season opener sans most of the as-yet unhomologated Trans Am model-specific aero aids.  The shape of the flares down low as they blend into the rocker panels is trim and clean by comparison, while appreciate that I like clean!

(https://i.imgur.com/MPcHBN2.jpg)

...and here one witnesses what I've worked up.  The slight dip in the surface contour of each flare isn't easily made out across other photos, although such can be discerned here.  Notice I've opted for the '70 Mid-Ohio wheel treatment (exposed machined lip with engine enamel painted wheel spider and spokes), although I really ought to have tried to master the same-event rear flare shape along the front bottom as suggested earlier.  Getty Images has many event images that can be consulted, while every time I review that which they have, the more I want to add material to what is seen here consistent with correcting things...

(https://i.imgur.com/XrovKQR.jpg)

...rear three-quarter view.  Otherwise unremarked upon, notice no side pipes are fitted.  The exhaust will be atypically directed out the back and to one side.

(https://i.imgur.com/AwpWZmK.jpg)

...front three-quarter view evidencing carefully grafted in front wheel arch lip flares after first filing out the white metal fenders to permit such.

(https://i.imgur.com/oUqn5uI.jpg)

...and finally, the side profile again viewed for taking a step back.  Depending on the vantage point of the observer, the rear arch openings can appear matched to the standard opening profile, or strangely offset or oblong given the sheer size of the flares employed. 

This was one of the most daunting aspects of my 1:18th ERTL-based '70 T/G Firebird project, while happily it's most contained.  Thanks for your review of this scale project post.

Mike K./Swede70
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on February 06, 2021, 08:59:03 PM
Greetings...

This was the roll cage fabricated for the 1:18th GMP Penske Donohue '67 model, although I did fail to splay out the side bars near the midpoint of the roll hoop as originally intended.  For referring to the Craig Fisher interior photos of the second car and extrapolating a bit from the few ill-lit and all-black interior period images of the first car, this is what I came up with.  The assembly lives happily with the new '67-'68 dashboard I've fit to my body shell.  Kind thanks...

(https://i.imgur.com/uklmoM3.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/9nbqbdh.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/LHkpW6u.jpg)

Mike K./Swede70
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on February 13, 2021, 02:51:30 AM
I love seeing the progress on this particular car, Mike.  Thanks for the update.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on February 15, 2021, 04:56:55 AM
Thanks for the continuing interest...

Seen (or rather not seen at all) would be the painted cage installed in the model.  The IndyCals waterslide decals were ordered again consistent with double layering the roundels in particular.  The hope was to brighten them up a bit.

(https://i.imgur.com/0iAeiay.jpg)

...inserts for the front wheel bearing dust caps as well as rear axle ends have here been pressed into place.  The valve stems for the wheels need paint.

(https://i.imgur.com/ZsS4un4.jpg)

,,,while here rear quarter windows plus the leading edge border for the same have been added.  Some 'L' shaped plastic stock was painted flat black (hoping to suggest weather stripping forward), while the chrome strip was done with cut up party favor/table centerpiece material given it was fairly resilient. 

(https://i.imgur.com/1nccqbq.jpg)

...the roundel on the decklid in particular appeared gray and more than a bit translucent around the stripes previously, hence a second layer helps matters here.  It may all be redone given the cut out of the trunk lid isn't accurate for the Kent, WA race, nor are the fairly short exhaust dumps I've fitted for that matter - ugh!  Thanks for your review of this post.

Mike K./Swede70
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: crossboss on February 15, 2021, 07:15:22 PM
WOW, truly amazing!
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on February 16, 2021, 02:38:02 AM
Beautiful car, Mike.  You should be proud of that one.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: MO on February 17, 2021, 09:37:42 PM
Well done Mike! You make it sound so easy!
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on February 22, 2021, 01:55:50 AM
Thanks for the kind interest expressed; i.e. the notice of knowledgeable is always reassuring and most appreciated...

Seen below would be some light work, namely the removal of interior panels from my '68 Penske Camaro so that some trim might be painted, whereas the color was altered from the as-delivered black to red for use of some 1:1 vinyl interior restoration/refinish aerosol paint some time ago.  In a perfect world I'd have 3D-print '68-specific interior trim panels, although here I've just redone the slightly fudged GMP original issue stuff. 

(https://i.imgur.com/9sUXa9T.jpg)

...presumably leaving a pit area at speed, thankfully the interior trim color isn't that far off from what I sprayed even allowing for period color process reproduction funkiness.  Ron Lathrop photo.

(https://i.imgur.com/bZOGxCq.jpg)

...mostly '69 standard trim level panels here, although some things are now painted silver.  The arm rest fill panels are removable, with this feature helping to facilitate light work such as this...

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While here a pair of small things have been performed on my '69 Penske Camaro.  What I presume to be an aluminum scuff plate situated along the top middle edge of the rear spoiler has been reproduced with silver decal stock softened in a pool of water with decal set solution lest it splinter, while an angled fuel cell housing formerly done with individual plastic panels was cast in resin given I wasn't satisfied with how the surfaces cleaned up previously - or rather failed to. 

(https://i.imgur.com/85Er8tL.jpg)

...witnessed being worked during the '69 Riverside race weekend.  Note the tucked-in fuel cell housing, almost serving as a partial belly pan along the back.  Photo credit H.P. Thomas.

(https://i.imgur.com/svVUqPY.jpg)

...perhaps a touch wide, here may be made out the small length of decal film suggesting the scuff guard along the top of the rear spoiler edge.  Sears/Die-Hard batteries came on as a sponsor at this race, while the C-pillar decal telegraphing this association was added given the GMP '69 release doesn't feature such.  Barely noticeable would be the painted out tab disguising what extends from the silver-painted insert around the fuel inlet on the trunk lid.  Usually seen along the edge facing the base of the rear glass, here it's less obvious than before.

(https://i.imgur.com/jfutzDb.jpg)

...done slightly on the cheap, here I've just overlaid a chunk of resin atop the cast-in fuel tank/fuel cell structure coming off the GMP chassis base.   

Thanks for your review of this project post update.

Mike K./Swede70

Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: group/7 on February 23, 2021, 03:09:43 PM
Great work, the attention to small details on the cars that I haven't noticed. one being that scuff panel on the '69 rear spoiler. I

went back and looked at my photos, looks like that detail didn't appear till mid season ?

Mike
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: group/7 on February 23, 2021, 07:56:14 PM
Jon, off topic, COVID fatigue ? am I missing something ? Once you post, can you not modify, or delete your post, I don't see that

 option in my lost post above  ??? tried it with this one, and it worked ?

Mike
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on February 26, 2021, 02:50:41 AM
Mike K, great work on the '68 and '69 models.  I really like the color on the door panels and the metal inserts in the middle.  Also, nice reference shot of the rear fuel cell and making that right on your model.

group/7 Mike, both of your last two posts show the "modify" and "remove" buttons so I'm not sure why you were having a problem.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on March 11, 2021, 12:52:30 PM
Greetings and thanks again to those who've taken a moment to express their interest in what I've tried and shared here...

This would be a quick review of my attempt to put a trio of Jo-Han '70-'72 Javelin Trans-Am topics up on wheels.  Sustained interest upon one project or topic has never been a strong suit of mine, although if the mock ups look good and discreet progress is registered, on some level happiness is registered. 

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Seen below would be my '70 Penske Donohue Javelin in early-season form, the second, my newly worked up '71 Penske Donohue Javelin with attention paid to the wheel arch opening contours that have been altered versus the sober stock rendering of such.  The '70 features a rudimentary six-point roll cage that will be duplicated (quickly I hope) across two or three other Javelin builds while the dimensions of such can be readily referenced.

(https://i.imgur.com/ZzaOzJw.jpg)

...descending the Corkscrew at Laguna Seca '70.  Image unattributed.

(https://i.imgur.com/OcY1HZU.jpg)

...the exhaust dumps and jacking points are preliminary, not being tucked in as discreetly as they might be. They'll be better sited in time, and hang down less for some further application.

(https://i.imgur.com/bl7ndYz.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/5AvJfIR.jpg)

Concerning the '71 and '72 RWR efforts, all identifying trim has been scrubbed off each shell, while the raised trim usually seen along the rockers panels of these topics too has been removed for delicate sanding stick work.  Tires on the front are ancient Jo-Han/AMT NASCAR Goodyears at present, while the rears employed on the '70 are Southern Motorsport 1960's Goodyear Blue Streak Stock Car Specials with discreet blue line decals (to come), with equally old AMT Penske Matador Winston Cup Goodyear tires fitted to the rear of the later cars.  The Minilites are Jo-Han based, although they do have outer lips featuring a taper otherwise absent and sourced from the MPC Chrysler Kit Car plastic kits intended to replicate stamped steel five-slot Clement racing wheels.

(https://i.imgur.com/INiA7O0.jpg)

Dave Friedman image as captured at Lime Rock, CT in 1971.  Notice how the rear arch opening is slightly squared off as the profile of such is lifted to the top border formed by the body shell character line, while the front arch opening terminates just above this same line. 

(https://i.imgur.com/7QsNpe1.jpg)

...while this would be a good view of the front arch work even if I was a touch aggressive.  No '71 and on Jo-Han Trans-Am Javelin kit comes through with anything other than a '70 interior, hence the stock kit late dashboard transplant in evidence, times two if one looks further down the post.

(https://i.imgur.com/l0m4z4W.jpg)

...whereas this image affords a good view of what was performed on the rear wheel arch opening in particular.

(https://i.imgur.com/Cpj0tDt.jpg)

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Found here would be a quick take on my '72 Roy Woods Racing Trans-Am Javelin.  Barely distinguishable from the '71 Penske Donohue Javelin witnessed above, although with differently shaped wheel arch opening contours simply to start matters.  Happily I was able to scrounge up another late dashboard here.  Thanks for your review of this hobby project post.

(https://i.imgur.com/J1vh4hx.jpg)

Mike K./Swede70
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: MO on March 12, 2021, 12:08:04 AM
Excellent applications as usual Mike!
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Bruce302 on April 04, 2021, 08:34:10 AM
Fabulous work Mike, So attention to the correct details.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on April 14, 2021, 02:18:11 PM
Thanks for the kind words of support and lasting interest...

Witnessed is the result of working up a new urethane two-piece mold to create copies of a seat project formerly done for my late-season Mark Donohue '70 Penske Javelin - namely a proper Racemark design.  The AMT 'frogeye' Penske Matador plastic kit of old includes the rudiments of such, although various things were overlooked when they mastered it.  Everything seen here is either 1:24th or 1:25th scale, while the Jo-Han Javelins are authoritatively said to be 1:24th scale even as box art and period promotional material telegraphs that they are rendered smaller than this. 

I sourced a second seat, cut off the furthermost section of the base and reversed it before gluing and blending material to fill out the area that would otherwise support the legs from the hips to the knees, while the headrest area integrated into the seat back is new material substantially beefier than what was delivered.  An effort was made to carve out excess material from the center back of the headrest to suggest the edges were thicker and in essence, load bearing, while the prominent lip around the perimeter of the seating surfaces was added with discreetly integrated elements of sheet plastic cut to suit. 

I wasn't sure all of the bits would stay in place or be thick enough to survive being replicated in a urethane mold, although if everything could survive then the combined bits would form a unified structure that could be substantially stronger and certainly less delicate than before.  Besides, the '71 Penske Javelin and '72 Roy Woods Racing Javelins required such, while the thought of gathering parts and fabricating two more seats did not appeal.  Seen below is one of my first clean casting efforts, with what I'll likely use in my early '70 season example poised just to the right of it.  Thanks...

(https://i.imgur.com/PqwZCyn.jpg)

Mike K./Swede70
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Bruce302 on July 20, 2021, 07:51:57 AM
Great work Mike, The attention to detail is amazing.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on August 04, 2021, 11:33:43 PM
Greetings and kind thanks for the interest expressed past and present...

After creating urethane molds to reproduce the rear flares on my 1:18th '70 T/G Racing Jerry Titus Firebird Trans Am racer lest I have no fall back for ruining my masters, here I've finally bonded a pair to the back of my ERTL-based rendition.  For some putty application and blending it appears largely sound, while for the use of a light coat of white primer, at least I can see what I'm doing and have done!  The front flares were grafted in earlier, the arches having been filed out with a half-round file, the resin lip flares carefully introduced and blended in.  It sort of appears like a road racing marshmallow in sum...

(https://i.imgur.com/21HPzNJ.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/tM3f0oQ.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/tah4n4a.jpg)

The panel gaps aren't great, but for twisting and bending things this was a close as I could come to some reasoned compromise.  For examining period photos of the topic, the actual car wasn't all that much better.  Finally, decal art will soon follow even as an older attempt to design and procure such may be spied in the background of the images seen.  My heavens - I've actually applied some paint.  Thanks...

Mike K./Swede70

Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Bruce302 on August 06, 2021, 09:21:17 AM
Very nice work Mike, as usual.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on August 08, 2021, 04:55:29 PM
Nice work, Mike.  I know very few people who find the rear flares on the T/G Firebird to be attractive but you have made some very faithful reproductions that certainly look the part.  It's a pity about that door gap but if you can't improve it, I don't know who could.  Are you going to finish this car so it is representative of how it was for a certain race?  I was curious about the exhaust style you were going for.  If you mentioned it previously, I have forgotten.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on November 24, 2021, 12:22:22 AM
Greetings and thanks for the longstanding interest displayed by many...

Here the matter of which way to go with the 1:18th T/G Racing Firebird Trans Am 'Trans-Am' project is addressed by taking on two for duplicating the '70 Laguna Seca spec. in addition to the previous '70 Mid-Ohio focus.  Slow as ever, seen below would be a frantic catch up effort to duplicate what has been worked up for my first effort. 

Custom decal work is being outsourced to a trusted firm, while it's certainly neat to see a ERTL Firebird Trans Am bereft of all the parts disallowed for homologation hiccups encountered at the first race on the '70 SCCA Trans-Am calendar.  Exhaust configuration for the '70 Laguna Seca spec. will be the expected sidepipes, while the '70 Mid-Ohio spec. will be outfitted with the 'out the back and to the side' configuration that struck many as unusual.  Kind thanks...

(https://i.imgur.com/GnNawMF.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Z9YbIlg.jpg)

Mike K./Swede70
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: MO on November 24, 2021, 04:49:01 AM
You never cease to amaze Mike!
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Bruce302 on November 25, 2021, 07:54:16 AM
Very nice work Michael, as ever.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on December 10, 2021, 02:56:05 AM
Thanks for the kind continued interest...

Here the rear flares on the '70 Laguna Seca spec. Jerry Titus Firebird have been bonded and carefully blended, while a rudimentary engine is taking shape short of resorting to the installation of a full 1:18 Lane '67-'68 Pontiac Firebird 400 c.i.d. assembly as a base to work upon.  GMP '70 GTO Judge cylinder heads were added to a shaved ERTL block, the intake is a scratch built item worked up before, while the air cleaner is a GMP '67 Penske Camaro item essentially cast aside when the Lane '67 single 4BBL cowl induction setup was switched onto my '67 Penske project some time ago.  Back to this project, the clumsy cast-in upper control arm detail was filed off, while partial GMP Penske Camaro resin clones have been introduced in. 

Largely hidden would be Lakewood explosion-proof bellhousing scratch built, cast in resin and mated to a GMP Penske Camaro Muncie M22 four-speed transmission, all of it carefully filed to live at ease with the compromise that is the chassis.  Even if the exterior dimensions of most scale models might check out, panels and especially anything relating to the floors tend to be very thick.  Smoke and mirrors then to disguise what goes 'bang' for clearance not strictly afforded. 

Drawing to a close, most of what's made out was attempted before on my '70 Mid-Ohio spec. project, although differences such as the stamped steel valve covers, the absence of a disallowed shaker scoop assembly plus seal, etc., help differentiate the build from the later evolution of the same basic topic.  Clean thus far, and given little in the way of new ground has been broken, no huge surprises.  A radiator assembly, a coolant expansion tank and remote oil filter setup stand to come, while the wimpy accessory drive might well be tossed entire!  Kind thanks for your review of this brief update. 

(https://i.imgur.com/loR1GQ4.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/myE1IvA.jpg)

Mike K./Swede70
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Bruce302 on December 10, 2021, 06:37:51 PM
As always fabulous work and attention to detail.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on March 21, 2022, 04:19:54 PM
Greetings,

A belated update concerning the 1:18th scale '70 ERTL-based T/G Firebirds then.  Always busy then, albeit never wildly in your face productive even as I try largely out of sight. 

The waterslide decal work commissioned to 3 Amigos Decals arrived some time back, the result of feverish communication back and forth consistent with seeing to what could be seen to.  The total result reflects the best compromise I could negotiate out and source for steady application, while the results seem good.  All images require careful trimming given by definition they aren't pre-cut.  If anyone would like the ordering codes to obtain a copy directly from the printer, I'd happily forward such.  As this message was written, the price was U.S. $17 with $4 charged for domestic shipping.  No - the shaker hood hole must be cut out by hand, and no - I wouldn't anticipate this aspect of things being all that much fun...

(https://i.imgur.com/a1Buf9d.jpg)

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Further witnessed would be the interiors redone for sporting newly-bent roll cages, as well as parts derived from many a urethane mold likewise redone to supply sufficient duplicates.  I'm doing two '70 Titus Firebirds for myself, whereas one interior/chassis is being quietly prepared for a customer.  Both of my projects are now ACME/Lane '68 Firebird 400 H.O. 'powered', suitably modified as they are to suggest Ram Air IV head-equipped, wet sump 303's. 

(https://i.imgur.com/qzNHRsd.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/CpuzeBr.jpg)

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(https://i.imgur.com/4wTzc6O.jpg)

Keeping myself (reasonably) honest, seen are the three chassis builds underway.  Yes - it's likely good not to sit on the couch right at present.  Thanks for your review of this project - or rather projects update times three.

Mike K./Swede70

Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: MO on March 22, 2022, 04:02:16 AM
Fantastic Mike! Thank you for sharing your craft.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Jon Mello on March 24, 2022, 12:49:21 AM
Thanks for the updates, Mike.  Looking good, as always.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Bruce302 on September 14, 2022, 11:00:00 PM
Hello Mike, how is the porgress on the the projects going, I'm eager to see them advancing.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on September 28, 2022, 05:54:28 PM
Greetings and thanks for inquiring as to the status of what I do in-scale...

A bit hobbled as of late - perhaps dedicating too much time to a Mark Donohue/Penske Racing side project of long interest even as it's not strictly SCCA Trans-Am rooted?  Although likely to return to chassis work across both the '70 Chaparral Camaro (it still needing decals/graphics) and '70 T/G Racing Firebird Trans Am projects, seen (very) briefly would be a 3D-print shell of a '72 Matador NASCAR racer utilizing Jo-Han '72 Torino, AMT '74 Matador and much later AMT '92 Thunderbird NASCAR parts and subassemblies to approximate what's needed. 

Perhaps I viewed altogether too many (late period) episodes of ADAM-12 when it was in syndication as a kid, or longed for the COX .049-powered Matador perpetually out of reach at the local K-Mart so long ago, but something within myself needed and still needs a 'Flying Brick' to display next to my Trans-Am Javelins builds/efforts to date.  Thanks again and hoping to return to productive form as the weather turns and indoor activities beckon...

(https://i.imgur.com/3wiRlev.jpg)

The topic in '72-season form, mainly because I expect someone or some firm to eventually afford us a fully finished '73 Riverside winner if only because to-date they've afforded us everything M. Donohue ever drove, rented, or glanced upon...

(https://i.imgur.com/b1l5z6O.jpg)

Seen here is a much-modified $29.95 eBay-sourced shell (actually two), with a dead example (yes - a third shell hinted at here) having been cut apart to yield separate bumpers, the grille, plus hood and deck lid as-witnessed.  The body shell measures out at approximately 1:26th scale, hence some complications are introduced on that basis besides.  Very slow work, and not for the timid. 

Other pathways would include the scarce Model Car World resin transkit of old, as well as better quality 3D-printed shell plus separate bumpers and grille sold by Robert Burns/Too Many Projects.  Decals will mostly be made up of Cherry Run '74 Penske Matador graphics, Dave Van Decals (perhaps), and whatever stray items might otherwise be wrangled and deployed just-so.

(https://i.imgur.com/ppJnsfy.jpg)

And finally, shared is a quick view underhood evens sans roll cage/stiffening structure characteristic of most any NASCAR/Winston Cup topic.  The engine constitutes a mash of Jo-Han and AMT parts, and more that a bit preliminary it is with regards to appearance. 

Mike K./Swede70

Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: MO on September 29, 2022, 04:35:06 AM
Cool car. Cant wait to see progress on it!
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on November 22, 2022, 04:11:35 AM
Greetings...

Somewhat bummed given the anticipated 1:18th scale Replicarz-badged '70 Chaparral Camaro sealed resin release is now something that can be pondered in prototype form for new images afloat online even if the model is 'still on the water'. Why 'bummed'? Well - it doesn't look very good! Even if the markings will be rescaled and redone, the wheel/tire relationship is pretty poor, whereas the rest doesn't seem even as good as their '71/'72 AM Javelins from what I can make out. Anyhow, follow the link to witness the new 1:18th product images which formerly had relied upon the very nice TSM 1:43rd sealed diecast product afforded to us maybe two or three years ago.  Sigh...

https://www.replicarz.com/1970-Chaparral-Camaro-Road-America-Jim-Hall/productinfo/R18203/

Expect the graphics to be refined, the silver-painted bumpers, grille and headlamp bezels to emerge chromed when the model is finally available, although still a disappointment from my perspective.  I suppose review of the photos will serve to prompt recommitment to my old ERTL conversion, hence this is something!  Thanks...

Mike K./Swede70
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: MO on November 22, 2022, 05:28:44 AM
Mike,

I sympathize with your trepidation.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on August 26, 2023, 06:47:21 PM
Greetings...

The 1:18th Replicarz 1970 Chaparral Camaro in sealed resin has arrived, listing at a cool $239.95 then so definitely not for the faint of heart.  Regretting that the prototype photos of this release really were all but final; i.e. we wouldn't be afforded chromed bumpers, headlamp bezels, or larger tires for the rear in particular.  Both Jim Hall and Ed Leslie iterations exist - but no Vic Elford Watkins Glen spec. for now.  I'm thinking that my ERTL-based effort will just morph into a later-season V. Elford ride without further ado, revising and correcting what I may to ensure this is so...

Back to the Replicarz version, seen is my example with refinished wheels and brake discs, plus some other small revisions consistent with helping the model look it's best.  I did add the Firestone fender decals seen on the fenders, the jack positioning marks on the rocker panels, the small rectangular strips of white decal film atop each exterior door latch.  Other things performed would be a cowl vent black wash application, the removal of the roof 'Chaparral' legends, the addition of some head lamp fill panels with the SCCA Technical Inspection sticker, etc. 

Although I wanted to remove the interior to refinish it, I couldn't fathom risking too much here given the interior casting is very solidly glued in, the risk judged too great to shift things more than I attempted.  Some decals are in the mail with revised flank 'Chaparral' and 'Camaro' lettering as seen on the flanks.  I'm thinking what Replicarz afforded seems a touch thin of script, maybe a bit elongated for what was rendered, and perhaps radiused too prominently across each wheel arch opening for good measure.  Hoping to set things right in this regard, but basically looking O.K. at this point even with the rather meek tires fitted (same size front and rear - sigh).  Kind thanks...

(https://i.imgur.com/GvhEKvD.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/ytUpPl4.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/FCW58oR.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Lw7fHju.jpg)

Mike K./Swede70
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: GMAD_Van Nuys on August 26, 2023, 07:20:43 PM
Mike - I didn't know that the 1970 Chaparral Camaros used Firestone tires until I looked at your photos.  I have Dave Friedman's book, Trans-Am, and looked closely at the photos of the Jim Hall Camaros and saw the Firestone decals.  I remember when Parnelli Jones told me that in 1969, Goodyear had a better race tire for the Trans-Am series, but as Parnelli was a Firestone dealer, he had to run their tires.  Thanks for the posting. - Mark
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on August 27, 2023, 12:31:31 AM
Thanks for your reply and interest...

The Chaparral team would have had some unique insight into the 1970-season 'tire war' given different drivers had different tire contracts; i.e. Jim Hall being a Firestone stalwart, whereas Ed Leslie was linked to Goodyear, his entry shod as such.  Not so sure about Joe Leonard in his one-off appearance for the team (this I'd have to check), whereas Vic Elford was also tied to Firestone - hence no variance there.  Thanks...

Mike K./Swede 70
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: GMAD_Van Nuys on August 27, 2023, 01:11:55 AM
Elford did win the 1970 Trans-Am race at Watkins Glen.  I always liked the design of the 1970 Camaro and my friend bought a new 1973 Z28, which had air conditioning and an automatic transmission, better suited to driving in Los Angeles than his 1968 Z28.
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: Swede70 on August 30, 2023, 08:30:42 PM
Greetings...

Hoping at some stage to complete my 1:18th ERTL conversion as the '70 Watkins Glen winner, pleased in a sense to discover that some 1:18th waterslide decals basically purchased 'off the shelf' had some utility after all which is discussed below:

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I had ordered some 'Teresawulf' 1:18th waterslide decals atop what I was already in possession of - namely the 1:25th Fred Cady 1970 Chaparral Camaro SCCA Trans-Am waterslide decal art of old.  Contrasting the Chaparral lettering between the two sheets, it's entirely possible the former was scanned from the latter.  All the same, a strong case can be made to switch out the flank 'Chaparral' and 'Camaro' lettering given the font is definitely not 100% accurate as can be discerned.

(https://i.imgur.com/GYVOzhV.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/kqhBkr7.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/vIVY9Ng.jpg)

Worried then that I'd make a mess of the body shell for softening and hence ruining the paint, whereas further worried I'd be sharply disappointed with the quality of the decals.  Things generally worked though, with 30% acetone employed to remove (delicately) the as-delivered flank lettering short of staining the underlying finish, whereas the decal film employed by the 'Teresawulf' (eBay seller i.d. then) proved well-behaved for not curling or tearing.  Adhesion of the decals didn't prove a huge concern, with the images settling down well enough sans application of a softening agent which may well have dissolved the ink employed for the art.  Although I didn't set any standards for cutting the artwork creatively close for eliminating all trace of excess film, what compromise was struck proved good enough.   

(https://i.imgur.com/rLLZCfL.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/hMxhSLe.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/9HKO7fX.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/O8gDodd.jpg)

Thanks for your review of this post...

Mike K./Swede70
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: group/7 on September 01, 2023, 02:18:42 PM
Mike, great work and research on the Chaparral Camaro and your other T/A projects !

Here's a photo I have in my files of what is labelled as Joe Leonard in the Chaparral Camaro at Donnybrooke, the car is shod with

 Firestones, but interestingly there is no Firestone decal on the fender, which does appear, sometimes not,  in other images from

 other races.

Mike

(photo: no credit)
Title: Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.
Post by: group/7 on September 01, 2023, 02:31:13 PM
Here's another from my files, Leslie Camaro, Bridgehampton '70 with Goodyears.

Mike

(photo: no credit)

I can rarely get the size right  ::) so scroll l-r for full image.