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Title: Original 67-69 Camaro driveshafts - information requested about your car
Post by: bcmiller on March 16, 2011, 05:12:18 PM
Several people are working on putting together original driveshaft information for 67-69 Camaros. Items of most interest at this point are below.

If you have an original driveshaft and would be willing to post information about your car, it would be very much appreciated. Here is what to include...

Year of car
Norwood or Los Angeles car
Month and week of vehicle assembly
Engine
Transmission
Driveshaft length (measured center of u joint to center of u joint)
Type of attachment to pinion yoke. There are two types: U bolts and the strap and bolts method.
Code stamped on front of passenger side axle tube.
Paint stripes and a picture (if possible)
Position of the u-joint flanges on each end. Some cars were "in-line" and others were "clocked" about 30 degrees off from each other

Post in this thread if you want. If you would rather not post, but still contribute, send an email to me please. Thanks.

Bryon

*** Modified 3/18/2014 to remove casting number.  Most don't have it and it is a forging number on the yoke.  ***




Title: Re: Original 67-69 Camaro driveshafts - information requested about your car
Post by: rich69rs on March 16, 2011, 11:37:18 PM
http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=914.0

http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=980.0

http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=4623.0

http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=4425.0

You might find these helpful if you havenn't seen them already.

The original driveshaft in my my 69 RS, which I have owned since Nov 1991, 01C build date, had the driveshaft yokes offset one from another when I purchased the car.  In July 1992 I had the driveshaft modified so as to put the yokes in phase.  The original engine was not in my car when I acquired it in Nov 1991, but it was most likely a 307.  The car has the original 2 speed Powerglide automatic and the original 2.73:1 open rear end.  Pinion yoke, as I recall, is attached with straps.

I also have a spare driveshaft that I personally removed from a 69 Camaro that was being parted out in March 1994.  This car was a base coupe with a 327, built around the 3rd week of November 68 (VIN# 124379N551248, engine code V1122FJ).   Note:  This engine now resides in my car.  Not the original, but at least I do have a '69 Camaro engine in my ride.  This parts car had a 3 speed manual, not sure about the rear end - undoubtedly a 10 bolt open but ratio is unknown.  Yokes on the driveshaft are offset as well.
Title: Re: Original 67-69 Camaro driveshafts - information requested about your car
Post by: bcmiller on March 20, 2011, 08:46:47 PM
Rich,

Thanks for those links.  I had read most of them previously.  The offset question is probably not one that can be easily answered, but I thought I would ask people who had originals to try to figure this out. 

Maybe I should just take this one step at a time, but I figured if people were going to take the time to look at what they had it might be easiest to just get all the iinformation at once.

So for now...what I think I have figured out is the following for lengths.  This is from AMA specs and some other Chevrolet sources. For 67 and 68 cars with the 396, different frame mounts for the engine were used which pulled the engine forward about 1/2 to 3/4 inch.  Also note the holes for the 396 crossmember for use with a manual transmission had the transmission mounting holes about 3/4 inch forward.  The PG, TH350, 3 speed manual and 4 speed manual transmissions are all close to 27 5/8 or 27 3/4 inches long (including bellhousing length).  But the TH400 is slightly longer - around 28 1/4 inches.

67 and 68 Camaros used two different lengths.  49.96 inches for all applications except the 396 with manual trans which was 50.46 inches.

69 Camaros all used the same length, 49.56 inches.  This appears to be due to the frame mounts all being the same for the big blocks and small blocks.  Although I can't find anything listed, it seems the TH400 driveshaft should be slightly shorter.

So that is why I am looking for actual measurements, to confirm these numbers.  If anyone has different information, please post it and list your source.

Bryon
Title: Re: Original 67-69 Camaro driveshafts - information requested about your car
Post by: bcmiller on April 07, 2011, 06:47:02 AM
Is ANYBODY out there willing to measure your original driveshaft and provide that information? 

Especially interested in Big Block cars...manual trans or TH400.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Original 67-69 Camaro driveshafts - information requested about your car
Post by: MyRed67 on April 08, 2011, 03:34:28 AM
  You have perfect timing, that's right where I'm at with my restoration.  My car is a '67 V8 Coupe, 11 A, Los Angeles built.  Has the standard 327 - 2 bbl. engine with Powerglide trans.. The Driveshaft length is 50 in..  I have not found the Casting #( I assume it's on the end flange)(I haven't got that far cleaning)  The Rear end tube Code reads: PW 0919 G.  The paint stripes are Orange/White(I've included a pic.)  And the U-joint flanges are Clocked.  Let me know if you really need that Casting#..
Title: Re: Original 67-69 Camaro driveshafts - information requested about your car
Post by: MyRed67 on April 08, 2011, 03:36:49 AM
I forgot to add it has U-bolts to attach the rear universal to the Rear-end input shaft.
Title: Re: Original 67-69 Camaro driveshafts - information requested about your car
Post by: 68camaroz28 on April 11, 2011, 01:40:09 AM
Several people are working on putting together original driveshaft information for 67-69 Camaros. Items of most interest at this point are below.

If you have an original driveshaft and would be willing to post information about your car, it would be very much appreciated. Here is what to include...

Year of car- 1968
Norwood or Los Angeles car- NOR
Month and week of vehicle assembly- 01B
Engine- MO
Transmission- M21
Driveshaft length (measured center of u joint to center of u joint)- will need to measure
Driveshaft casting number- ? need to look for that but did not notice one before
Type of attachment to pinion yoke. There are two types: U bolts and the strap and bolts method.- U bolts
Code stamped on front of passenger side axle tube.- BV1129
Paint stripes and a picture (if possible)- Picture of lime green looking paint stripes on trans. yoke.
Position of the u-joint flanges on each end. Some cars were "in-line" and others were "clocked" about 30 degrees off from each other- in line

Post in this thread if you want. If you would rather not post, but still contribute, send an email to me please. Thanks.

Bryon

(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z117/1-2-b-67L89/68%20Camaro%20Z28/100_5731.jpg)
Title: Re: Original 67-69 Camaro driveshafts - information requested about your car
Post by: 68camaroz28 on April 11, 2011, 02:00:34 AM
Should have mentioned that the lime green type color paint was on both sides of the yoke. In the center of the drive shaft there must have been some type of sticker/tape as the lines around the entire shaft (where it was) are very defined and very virgn material. Something was there but what I have no idea....
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z117/1-2-b-67L89/68%20Camaro%20Z28/100_5732.jpg)
Title: Re: Original 67-69 Camaro driveshafts - information requested about your car
Post by: bcmiller on April 12, 2011, 05:12:28 PM
MyRed67 - sorry I could not find your name isted - thanks for that information.  It goes along with what the length is supposed to be for 1967 Camaros with 6 cylinder and small block V8 - 49.96 inches.  The information on the u bolts helps too.  At this point, just started a database on the stripe colors.  If you could, list the color of the stripes in order from front to back.  I can't tell from the picture if the orange or white is toward the front.  If you find the casting number, please post that too.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Original 67-69 Camaro driveshafts - information requested about your car
Post by: bcmiller on April 12, 2011, 05:14:19 PM
Chick, what car was that driveshaft from?  Your 68 Z28?  

If so can you post the length from center of u joint to center of u joint.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Original 67-69 Camaro driveshafts - information requested about your car
Post by: MyRed67 on April 13, 2011, 03:37:58 AM
>>>bcmiller;
   I am going to post another picture I took of the Driveshaft with measurements, I am going to use this as a diagram to restore the Driveshaft back to original condition.
Title: Re: Original 67-69 Camaro driveshafts - information requested about your car
Post by: bcmiller on April 13, 2011, 03:28:18 PM
Thanks Mike.
Title: Re: Original 67-69 Camaro driveshafts - information requested about your car
Post by: MyRed67 on April 14, 2011, 06:01:17 AM
>> Bryon;
   I am attaching a pic. of the front Driveshaft Yoke straight on.  If you can decipher the part # you're better than me.  This is actually a pretty good pic., #'s are just real hard to decipher.  I'm guessing, but are the last 3 #'s on bottom row part of date code?  I don't know how they coded these yokes, but my Steering Gear Box was day 276.  Don't suppose this helps much, but it's the best I can do.
Title: Re: Original 67-69 Camaro driveshafts - information requested about your car
Post by: bcmiller on April 14, 2011, 08:13:35 PM
Mike, yes tough to read.  Thanks anyway and good luck on your restoration.
Title: Re: Original 67-69 Camaro driveshafts - information requested about your car
Post by: 68camaroz28 on April 15, 2011, 11:29:55 PM
Chick, what car was that driveshaft from?  Your 68 Z28?  

If so can you post the length from center of u joint to center of u joint.  Thanks.

Yes, the drive shaft is off our 68 Z/28 and the length is 52 1/2". I found the part # on the yoke but its very difficult to read other than a couple numbers.

Edited 3/15/2014   
Actually this is a 1969 drive shaft is from a 69. 
Edited 3/15/2014
Title: Re: Original 67-69 Camaro driveshafts - information requested about your car
Post by: JohnZ on April 16, 2011, 03:22:29 PM
I doubt there's any date info there - the yoke is a forging, not a casting, and the Chevy bowtie emblem indicates that it was made at the Chevrolet-Detroit Forge Plant; the number next to the bowtie symbol relates to the forging die set used to produce the yoke, not a date. Forgings weren't dated, but they carried the forging number for the part.
Title: Re: Original 67-69 Camaro driveshafts - information requested about your car
Post by: william on April 16, 2011, 05:17:21 PM
Chick, what car was that driveshaft from?  Your 68 Z28? 

If so can you post the length from center of u joint to center of u joint.  Thanks.

Yes, the drive shaft is off our 68 Z/28 and the length is 52 1/2". I found the part # on the yoke but its very difficult to read other than a couple numbers.


AMA specs for '68 state 50.46" c-c.
Title: Re: Original 67-69 Camaro driveshafts - information requested about your car
Post by: Dave69x33 on April 18, 2011, 01:24:58 AM
Has there been any definitive conclusion on the drive shaft strip color coding for the 1st Gen drive shafts, specifically the '69 Z28?

The Muncie Transmission input shafts were different between the M20 versus the M21/M22 with the number of spine teeth.  But were the output shaft splines the same on all three Muncies?  If the output splines were different, did the draft shaft strip color codes reflect this?

Based on the related links, it appears that the orange/white stripe combination has been found on 1st Gens.


Thanks!
 
Title: Re: Original 67-69 Camaro driveshafts - information requested about your car
Post by: 68camaroz28 on April 18, 2011, 02:49:37 AM
Chick, what car was that driveshaft from?  Your 68 Z28? 

If so can you post the length from center of u joint to center of u joint.  Thanks.

Yes, the drive shaft is off our 68 Z/28 and the length is 52 1/2". I found the part # on the yoke but its very difficult to read other than a couple numbers.


AMA specs for '68 state 50.46" c-c.

Thanks William! Bryon, the info I supplied was from what I believe to be a 69 Camaro auto. trans and not my 68 Z/28. What a mistake but I had the wrong drive shaft! The yoke on the one I reported on is larger and will not even fit in our M21. After William's comment I thought I better double check and yikes, screwed up on this one. Will report on the 68 Z shaft after I complete the intitial cleaning.  Can tell you the yokes are offset and the length is approximately 50 1/2" in length.
Title: Re: Original 67-69 Camaro driveshafts - information requested about your car
Post by: bcmiller on April 18, 2011, 02:15:13 PM
Chick, can you double check that measurement?  I need the measurement from the center of one u joint to the center of the other.  I believe it should be 49.96 inches for a 68 Z28.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Original 67-69 Camaro driveshafts - information requested about your car
Post by: JohnZ on April 18, 2011, 04:20:19 PM
The Muncie Transmission input shafts were different between the M20 versus the M21/M22 with the number of spine teeth.  But were the output shaft splines the same on all three Muncies? 

Based on Corvette specs, all Muncies through 1970 had 10-spline input shafts and 27-spline output shafts; that changed to 26/32 in 1971.
Title: Re: Original 67-69 Camaro driveshafts - information requested about your car
Post by: bcmiller on April 18, 2011, 06:15:27 PM
Has there been any definitive conclusion on the drive shaft strip color coding for the 1st Gen drive shafts, specifically the '69 Z28?
The Muncie Transmission input shafts were different between the M20 versus the M21/M22 with the number of spine teeth.  But were the output shaft splines the same on all three Muncies?  If the output splines were different, did the draft shaft strip color codes reflect this?
Based on the related links, it appears that the orange/white stripe combination has been found on 1st Gens.
Thanks!

Dave we are still working on figuring out the driveshaft paint stripes.  There were differerences, but so far we have not found anything written down.  So we are looking at examples at this point.  

As John says, all output splines on 67-69 Muncies were the same.  The large 32 spline output shaft did not start until sometime in the 1970 model year and used the 3978764 tailhousing.
Title: Re: Original 67-69 Camaro driveshafts - information requested about your car
Post by: bcmiller on April 18, 2011, 06:50:39 PM
Chick, what car was that driveshaft from?  Your 68 Z28?  

If so can you post the length from center of u joint to center of u joint.  Thanks.

Yes, the drive shaft is off our 68 Z/28 and the length is 52 1/2". I found the part # on the yoke but its very difficult to read other than a couple numbers.

AMA specs for '68 state 50.46" c-c.

I could be wrong but I think those are the AMA specs for use with the 396 engine with manual transmission.  I show 49.96 for all L6 and small block engines.  

Kurt S., Ed B. and I have gone through all of the parts books and AMA specs and have come up with a list of numbers.  I don't think we are quite ready to put those out there just yet.

The point of this thread is to find the lengths of ORIGINAL driveshafts to confirm what we have found so far.  

If anyone has an ORIGINAL driveshaft and would be willing to share information it will be greatly appreciated.  
Title: Re: Original 67-69 Camaro driveshafts - information requested about your car
Post by: 1968 Z28 on April 18, 2011, 09:54:51 PM
Original 1968 Z28, Norwood, 07C, 50 inches (or darn close), staggered yoke alignment, orange and white stripes (13 inches from centerline of yoke to center between the two stripes), attachment looks like u-bolts that are flattened where they go around the u-joint.
Title: Re: Original 67-69 Camaro driveshafts - information requested about your car
Post by: bcmiller on April 18, 2011, 10:24:57 PM
Original 1968 Z28, Norwood, 07C, 50 inches (or darn close), staggered yoke alignment, orange and white stripes (13 inches from centerline of yoke to center between the two stripes), attachment looks like u-bolts that are flattened where they go around the u-joint.

Thanks for that information Jerry.  I believe the 50 inches (49.96) and u-bolts are correct.   
Title: Re: Original 67-69 Camaro driveshafts - information requested about your car
Post by: Boston14 on April 18, 2011, 11:57:33 PM
1969 RS/SS Convert., built in Norwood 11D (1968), L48 engine (350 - 300 HP), M38 Trans. (Turbo 350), BR rear axle (3.07 12 bolt Posi) all original drivetrain. Driveshaft is approx. 49.5 inches c/c, clocked about 30 degrees, attached with straps to the pinion flange. Has 2 stripes, but color is gone, only discoloration remains.

boston14
Title: Re: Original 67-69 Camaro driveshafts - information requested about your car
Post by: bcmiller on April 19, 2011, 12:21:30 AM
1969 RS/SS Convert., built in Norwood 11D (1968), L48 engine (350 - 300 HP), M38 Trans. (Turbo 350), BR rear axle (3.07 12 bolt Posi) all original drivetrain. Driveshaft is approx. 49.5 inches c/c, clocked about 30 degrees, attached with straps to the pinion flange. Has 2 stripes, but color is gone, only discoloration remains.

boston14

Thanks for all of that information Boston14.  Exact length from 1969 AMA information says 49.56 inches.  So yours appears correct.  Thanks again.
Title: Re: Original 67-69 Camaro driveshafts - information requested about your car
Post by: 68camaroz28 on April 19, 2011, 01:26:58 AM
Took it out of my cleaner set up and it seemed to eye ball just under 50". Yoke ends have the staggered offset, U bolts, and beginning of orange/white stripe is just over 5" from centerline of yoke. Yoke had both orange and yellow paint on it. Plenty of orange paint on that yoke. When I flip it I will report any new findings. Some pictures:
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z117/1-2-b-67L89/68%20Camaro%20Z28/100_5811.jpg)
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z117/1-2-b-67L89/68%20Camaro%20Z28/100_5813.jpg)
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z117/1-2-b-67L89/68%20Camaro%20Z28/100_5814.jpg)
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z117/1-2-b-67L89/68%20Camaro%20Z28/100_5812.jpg)
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z117/1-2-b-67L89/68%20Camaro%20Z28/100_5809.jpg)
Title: Re: Original 67-69 Camaro driveshafts - information requested about your car
Post by: bcmiller on April 22, 2011, 07:14:39 AM
Thanks for those pics.

Anybody out there have an original 396 car with original driveshaft?
Title: Re: Original 67-69 Camaro driveshafts - information requested about your car
Post by: hihorse on April 25, 2011, 02:57:14 PM
1969-Year of car
Norwood-Norwood or Los Angeles car
12B-Month and week of vehicle assembly
396-Engine
M20-Transmission
49.5-Driveshaft length (measured center of u joint to center of u joint)
367-2 3790024?-Driveshaft casting number
strap and bolts-Type of attachment to pinion yoke. There are two types: U bolts and the strap and bolts method.
BS 1118 G2- Code stamped on front of passenger side axle tube.
N/A-Paint stripes and a picture (if possible)
in-line-Position of the u-joint flanges on each end. Some cars were "in-line" and others were "clocked" about 30 degrees off from each other

Title: Re: Original 67-69 Camaro driveshafts - information requested about your car
Post by: copo on April 25, 2011, 06:49:33 PM
1969
Norwood
06A-Month and week of vehicle assembly
427-Engine
M22-Transmission
49.5-Driveshaft length (measured center of u joint to center of u joint                                                                                                   
3790024- Driveshaft casting number
strap and bolts-Type of attachment to pinion yoke.
BE 0610 G2- Code stamped on front of passenger side axle tube.
N/A-Paint stripes
in-line-Position of the u-joint flanges on each end are in line.
Title: Re: Original 67-69 Camaro driveshafts - information requested about your car
Post by: 67 RS Ragtop on April 25, 2011, 09:33:16 PM
  original driveshaft
  1967
  LOS
  10B
  L30 / 327-275hp
  Powerglide
  49.96 inches
  orange then white stripe (front to back)
  u-bolt attachment
  couldn't find cstg dates - will look harder
  u-joints are clocked approx 30 degrees
  will forward pics later showing stripe placement and u-joint offset.
Title: Re: Original 67-69 Camaro driveshafts - information requested about your car
Post by: rich69rs on April 25, 2011, 11:48:00 PM
1969
Norwood
06A-Month and week of vehicle assembly
427-Engine
M22-Transmission
in-line-Position of the u-joint flanges on each end are in line.


The most important question to be answered in any of this discussion (at least for 1969 IMO) is why the vast majority of driveshafts had offset u-joints and yet some of the more powerful engine / transmission options had the u-joints in phase.

From a pureley mechanical engineering perspective, in phase u-joints are correct.  

In phase u-joints will theoretically maintain the same anglular relationship with respect to the horizontal at both ends of the driveshaft.  If everything else works as designed, maintaining this constant angualr relationship will negate the constantaly changing angular velocity at one end of the driveshafti vs. the opposite end.  

Out of phase u-joints, by definition, will not maintaitn the same angular relationship at both ends of the driveshaft......why GM / Chevy did this is one of the great mysteries of life.
Title: Re: Original 67-69 Camaro driveshafts - information requested about your car
Post by: 67 RS Ragtop on April 26, 2011, 01:50:04 AM
diff axle stamp PA0818G, see pics of stripe and phazing
stripes measured back fron center of u-joint cap at front of shaft
Title: Re: Original 67-69 Camaro driveshafts - information requested about your car
Post by: bcmiller on April 26, 2011, 06:20:19 PM

The most important question to be answered in any of this discussion (at least for 1969 IMO) is why the vast majority of driveshafts had offset u-joints and yet some of the more powerful engine / transmission options had the u-joints in phase.

Rich I appreciate your input - but that is not why I started this thread.  

That question has been tossed around for years and years.  As for WHY?, I don't think we will ever find an answer to that question.  
Title: Re: Original 67-69 Camaro driveshafts - information requested about your car
Post by: 68camaroz28 on April 27, 2011, 02:20:29 AM
Found two white paint marks when the other end of the driveshaft was soaked. The dimension (tape measure in pic) was from the centerline of the rear universal.
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z117/1-2-b-67L89/68%20Camaro%20Z28/100_5816.jpg)
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z117/1-2-b-67L89/68%20Camaro%20Z28/100_5817.jpg)
Both welded on Yokes are part # 3790024 and both seem to have a "318-2" beside the castings chevrolet embossed emblem. Notice the orange paint also.
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z117/1-2-b-67L89/68%20Camaro%20Z28/100_5829.jpg)
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z117/1-2-b-67L89/68%20Camaro%20Z28/100_5831.jpg)
Title: Re: Original 67-69 Camaro driveshafts - information requested about your car
Post by: bcmiller on April 28, 2011, 12:15:54 AM
OK, I need to clarfiy something. The number that are on the yokes are not casting numbers, those are forging numbers.  From what I have been able to find out so far, they are not Camaro specific, so they may not be of much use in this research.

But thanks for all of the information so far.  Any PLEASE keep posting!  Especially any 67 or 68 big block cars.
Title: Re: Original 67-69 Camaro driveshafts - information requested about your car
Post by: bertfam on April 30, 2011, 12:59:53 AM
Ok Bryon. I finally got a chance to get under the car so here you go:

Year of car - 1968
Norwood or Los Angeles car - Los Angeles
Month and week of vehicle assembly - 05D
Engine - Believed to be an L89 but original block MIA
Transmission - M21 (Not original)
Driveshaft length (measured center of u joint to center of u joint) - 49.75" (plus or minus)
Driveshaft casting number - Unknown
Type of attachment to pinion yoke - U bolts
Code stamped on front of passenger side axle tube - BS0506G2 (3.31 Posi) and D168 casting date
Paint stripes and a picture (if possible) - White ?? and Orange?? (see picture)
Position of the u-joint flanges on each end - 30 degrees

My axle isn't original to the car but is correctly dated to the 05D build. Also note that there's some kind of writing in yellow (see 2nd picture below). I can't make out anything but an "M" so I have no idea if it's original or not, or what it says.

Ed
Title: Re: Original 67-69 Camaro driveshafts - information requested about your car
Post by: bcmiller on April 30, 2011, 04:20:03 AM
Thanks Ed.  It does look like white and orange stripes to me.

Title: Re: Original 67-69 Camaro driveshafts - information requested about your car
Post by: IZRSSS on May 02, 2011, 07:27:28 PM
Crawled underneath it Bryon. Here you go...

1969
Los Angeles
12A Ist wk of Dec. 68
350 L48
M38 Transmission
49.50"
U Bolt
BL1127G2 3.07:1, Non-Posi, 12 Bolt, Nov. 27, Detroit Gear & Axle Plant
30 degrees

Sorry, wasn't able to help with the color bands. As you can see it was painted over.
Title: Re: Original 67-69 Camaro driveshafts - information requested about your car
Post by: bcmiller on May 03, 2011, 11:41:44 PM
Thanks Marty. 

Title: Re: Original 67-69 Camaro driveshafts - information requested about your car
Post by: bcmiller on May 09, 2011, 02:08:01 PM
Any original 67 or 68 big block TH400 cars out there???
Title: Re: Original 67-69 Camaro driveshafts - information requested about your car
Post by: bcmiller on June 24, 2011, 02:59:35 PM
Anybody else want to post - please.
Title: Re: Original 67-69 Camaro driveshafts - information requested about your car
Post by: Paul68RS/Z28 on June 26, 2011, 05:51:37 PM
68 Z28
04D-NOR
Original Drive-Train
49.50"  with 30 degree on the U-joints.
U-bolts.
What looks like a white stripe at 13.5", couldn't make out an orange one.
Title: Re: Original 67-69 Camaro driveshafts - information requested about your car
Post by: bcmiller on June 30, 2011, 02:43:48 PM
Thanks Paul.

I looked at one yesterday.  49.5 inches center of u joint to center of u joint.
The owner was about 90 percent sure that it was from a 1969 Camaro TH400
car that he junked out after it was wrecked about 30 years ago.
It had what appeared to be an original TH400 yoke on it.  The u joints were in line.  
I could not find any stripes on it.

Fixed typo
Title: Re: Original 67-69 Camaro driveshafts - information requested about your car
Post by: My68SS on July 04, 2011, 06:35:27 PM
Will crawl under mine [396/TH400] and report back soon
Title: Re: Original 67-69 Camaro driveshafts - information requested about your car
Post by: bcmiller on July 05, 2011, 12:30:05 AM
Thanks Rob.  That would be awesome.  
Title: Re: Original 67-69 Camaro driveshafts - information requested about your car
Post by: My68SS on July 06, 2011, 04:22:33 PM
Ok, got my drive shaft out and can report some preliminaries.
Yokes are in-line.
Centers are 49.95"
Bolted straps on diff yoke.
But....seemingly not original as the u-joints are pinned, not 'C' clipped or snap ringed??
But....pins are OEM only?, replacement uni's  are furnished with 'C' clips? If so, then where the heck did this shaft come from??
Title: Re: Original 67-69 Camaro driveshafts - information requested about your car
Post by: big iron on July 06, 2011, 05:31:36 PM
Have an original 68 BB SS/RS drive shaft with original injected u-joints
Yokes are in-line.
Centers are 50".
Bolt straps on diff. yoke.
No visible paint strips but would like to clean to see if there are any.
What are you cleaning your driveshafts with and will it affect my original  joints?
Bob
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Post by: My68SS on July 06, 2011, 06:02:39 PM
Have an original 68 BB SS/RS drive shaft with original injected u-joints
Yokes are in-line.
Centers are 50".
Bolt straps on diff. yoke.
No visible paint strips but would like to clean to see if there are any.
What are you cleaning your driveshafts with and will it affect my original  joints?
Bob
Wow, yours is pin injected as well !!! Are the pins orange in color?
Maybe mine is original after all and still with the factory u-joints.
I haven't noticed any stripes on mine as yet either, but I do have to clean off a thin layer of flat black which I had sprayed over the front half of the shaft many years ago.

Bob, do you know if that shaft was from a TH400 BB car?
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Post by: big iron on July 07, 2011, 05:04:17 AM
Rob,
Yes the pins are orange.
Yes the shaft is from a 68 BB TH400 that I bought brand new in 68.
Bob
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Post by: My68SS on July 07, 2011, 10:06:56 AM
Excellent, thanks Bob, I'm v. happy now! :)
Bryon, will post more details and pics this weekend. It's winter here [Au.] , freezing cold and gets dark early.
I just can't get home quick enough atm to do much.
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Post by: bcmiller on July 07, 2011, 03:37:11 PM
Thanks Rob and Bob.  Yes, it appears that a length of 49.96 inches is correct for 67 and 68 big block cars with TH400.

I can not say for sure, but the u joints you have are probably original.
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Post by: bcmiller on July 07, 2011, 03:52:59 PM
Anyone else with a 67 or 68 big block car and manual transmission with an original driveshaft who would like to share driveshaft info ?
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Post by: rich69rs on July 10, 2011, 12:19:17 AM
My spare driveshaft - donated from a car parted out a long time ago.

Year of car - 1969 (VIN# xxxxx9N551248)
Norwood or Los Angeles car - Norwood
Month and week of vehicle assembly - 11C
Engine - FJ (327 cid/210 HP with manual tranny)
Transmission - Saginaw 3 speed M15 manual
Driveshaft length (measured center of u joint to center of u joint) - 49.50" (NOTE: Overall length is 55-1/8" from center of rear u-joint to end of spline)
Type of attachment to pinion yoke - u-bolts
Paint stripes and a picture - two located between 37 and 38.5" from center of rear u-joint.  Not sure of color; could be two white or possibly one white and one light blue?  - see pictures  
Position of the u-joint flanges on each end - clocked

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Post by: bcmiller on July 10, 2011, 01:32:19 AM
Thanks Richard.  Yes, tough to tell on the colors.  49.56 inches does appear original for your application. 
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Post by: 69glacierblue on July 11, 2011, 02:40:13 AM
Yr. of car: '69
N or L: N
Mth/Wk: 06A (Actually last wk. of June '69) you guys know about 06A's
Engine: L48
Trans: M-20
Driveshaft length: 49.5"
Attachment to pinion yoke: U-bolts
Axle tube code: BM0625G (3.31 12 bolt open)
Stripes: Didn't see any, but driveshaft was previously painted
U-joint flanges: Clocked about 30 degrees

Sorry, not a big block but more information can't hurt.
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Post by: bcmiller on July 12, 2011, 10:27:03 PM
Thanks Dennis.
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Post by: Charley on July 16, 2011, 04:10:39 PM
68 SS RS 396 325 hp T-400, 02Ecar, PP on axle tube. 50" on driveshaft, straps and bolts, ujoints inline, injection molded in ujoints, Los car
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Post by: bcmiller on July 16, 2011, 04:52:18 PM
Thanks Charley.  Those stripes are very interesting. 
Do you know of any original 67 or 68 cars with a big block and a manual transmission that we can check the driveshafts on? I believe they are not they same length as other 67s and 68s.

Kurt and Ed, I think we might be getting close to having enough information to feel comfortable posting those numbers.
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Post by: bcmiller on July 22, 2011, 02:33:46 AM
Any more 67 or 68 big block manual transmission cars out there? 
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Post by: canadair on July 22, 2011, 10:45:30 AM
anyond have info or pictures of 69z28 driveshafts
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Post by: bcmiller on July 22, 2011, 05:39:45 PM
1969 Z28 driveshaft was nothing special.  1969 AMA information says all Camaro driveshafts were 49.56 inches long.  Still working on fine tuning the details. 
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Post by: OG69Z on July 23, 2011, 11:43:35 PM
Hi, I have an original 23,000 mile 69 Z/28. My particular driveshaft has a part number stenciled on it. I don't see any others on this thread with anything similar, other than what Bertfam posted.  The car is a Los Angeles build, 03B, 302 with M21.  Photos:
(http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk64/69Hillbillybob/Camaro/Driveshaft1.jpg)
(http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk64/69Hillbillybob/Camaro/Driveshaft2.jpg)

I hope this will be some help in your research. I look forward to participating in this forum.
Bob
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Post by: bcmiller on July 24, 2011, 04:12:34 PM
Bob,

WOW, that is awesome.  With that stenciled on there I would think there should be some stripes too. 

Did you check the length from the center of 1 u joint to the center of the other? 
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Post by: JohnZ on July 24, 2011, 05:33:52 PM
That's a Service replacement prop shaft, used for all except TH400 - they were furnished without the yoke and U-joints (unlike the production prop shaft assembly, which included the yoke and U-joints).
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Post by: 69z28rsbilly on July 28, 2011, 08:21:30 PM
Were the 67 to 69 Firebird drive shafts the same as the 67 to 69 Camaros ?
Thanks
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Post by: bcmiller on July 28, 2011, 09:41:58 PM
Were the 67 to 69 Firebird drive shafts the same as the 67 to 69 Camaros ?
Thanks 

Part numbers were different.  Length apparently for Firebirds 67-69 was 49.96 for all except TH400 cars which were 49.30 inches.  Stripes apparently different than Camaro. 
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Post by: 69z28rsbilly on August 05, 2011, 06:38:29 PM
were the yokes the same ? Will the drive shafts interchange ?
Thanks
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Post by: erikjohn on August 05, 2011, 08:46:01 PM
1967
L-48
M-20
Los Angeles
Build Nov 66
U-bolts
Clocked @ 30deg
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Post by: bcmiller on August 06, 2011, 06:00:12 AM
Well it depends.  What year and what application driveshaft are you talking about?  TH400 yoke is different than others.  All 69 Camaro driveshafts  were 49.56 inches long but yokes were different based on application.

were the yokes the same ? Will the drive shafts interchange ?
Thanks
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Post by: bcmiller on August 06, 2011, 06:01:11 AM
Tough to tell from the picture.  Can you tell us stripe colors?

Also do you have a measurement from center of u joint to center of u joint?

1967
L-48
M-20
Los Angeles
Build Nov 66
U-bolts
Clocked @ 30deg
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Post by: 69z28rsbilly on August 06, 2011, 06:07:29 PM
Will a 1969 camaro driveshaft fit 1967 to 1969 firebirds ?
Sorry I guess I was referring to the U-joints not the yokes.......
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Post by: bcmiller on August 06, 2011, 09:24:41 PM
Length apparently for Firebirds 67-69 was 49.96 for all except TH400 cars which were 49.30 inches.  All 69 Camaro driveshafts were 49.56 inches. 

It may fit.  You will just have to try it and see. 
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Post by: sixt9x33rs on August 23, 2011, 04:03:20 PM
69 Z/28

Norwood
03D Car
46.5" length of d/s not including the yoke
clocked
M-21
I will post pictures of stripes later
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Post by: bcmiller on August 25, 2011, 06:18:53 PM
I am going to go out on a limb and assume you meant 49.5 inches and not 46.5 inches.   8)

I look forward to the pics of the stripes.  Thanks.
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Post by: My68SS on September 19, 2011, 04:53:12 PM
Ok, got my drive shaft out and can report some preliminaries.
Yokes are in-line.
Centers are 49.95"
Bolted straps on diff yoke.
Engine, trans and build as per my sig.

Hi Bryon, sorry for my absence. More info to report.
Have found the orange paint stripe on mine @ 12" approx from the transmission yoke center and what appears to be the green stripe a bit further down - more cleaning needed for that one.

(http://members.iinet.net.au/~dream/images/crg/paint%20stripes.jpg)
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Post by: bcmiller on September 20, 2011, 09:54:44 PM
Thanks Rob.  Check the picture above that Charley posted.  You may have more than 2 stripes.
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Post by: bcmiller on October 18, 2011, 05:29:41 PM
Anybody else ?
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Post by: NoYenko on October 20, 2011, 02:14:50 AM
I have a early 69 396 with TH 400, built 1st week in November.Norwood car. All drivetrain original 63K. Drive shaft overall center to center 49 1/4"
U-joints in line. E-clips on caps. Orange stripe 17 1/4" from front, then maybe light blue or green, then dark blue.
Hard to tell I'll post pictures. I am surprised at all the variations.
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Post by: NoYenko on October 20, 2011, 02:16:10 AM
Missed a picture
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Post by: plumL78 on October 21, 2011, 08:18:04 PM
My 67 big block manual is I believe 50.5.  Best I remember.  We know  Big block shafts are longer
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Post by: bcmiller on October 23, 2011, 06:38:30 AM
NoYenko - thanks for posting those pictures!

plumL78 - if you could check that measurement for sure, I would appreciate it.  Thanks.
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Post by: bcmiller on February 11, 2012, 08:25:33 PM
Anybody else?
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Post by: 67pacer on February 13, 2012, 08:40:13 PM
Here are some pics of my 69 Z28, LA built, 02C, M20, 49.5 inches, rear strap, BU 0117 G2, clocked 30 degrees, orange and white stripes with a purple splash  closer to the yoke, Also shows some orange on yoke.
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Post by: bcmiller on February 14, 2012, 01:08:11 AM
Thanks 67pacer!  Much appreciated.
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Post by: Petes L48 on March 14, 2012, 06:07:48 AM
Finally remembered to post this:

67 LOS, 11B build, L48 w/ Pglide
49.5 inches center to center, yokes are # 3790024 rear is 280A and front 280D
U bolts, axle is PC1031G 3:31, yokes are clocked

(http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/RAP617983/Camaro/Driveshaft/IMG_1700.jpg)
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Post by: bcmiller on March 19, 2012, 09:21:06 PM
Thanks Petes L48
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Post by: bcmiller on May 11, 2012, 01:02:52 AM
Anybody else?
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Post by: 302V8 on May 15, 2012, 03:10:25 PM
1968 z28 ,   norwood,  03c,   302,   muncie m20,  49.96 length,    ubolt and nut design,   bu-0214-g1 axle stamp,   2 strips about 12 down from top,  staggered alignment.       
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Post by: bcmiller on May 16, 2012, 04:50:18 PM
Thanks 302V8.

Are the stripes white and orange? 
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Post by: 302V8 on May 16, 2012, 10:04:03 PM
The strips are so faint,   the look white to me.   thanks.
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Post by: Petes L48 on May 29, 2012, 08:51:19 PM
Finally remembered to post this:

67 LOS, 11B build, L48 w/ Pglide
49.5 inches center to center, yokes are # 3790024 rear is 280A and front 280D
U bolts, axle is PC1031G 3:31, yokes are clocked


(http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/RAP617983/Camaro/Driveshaft/IMG_1700.jpg)



Replaced my front u-joint this weekend and found orange and light green paint markings on the yoke:


(http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/RAP617983/Camaro/Driveshaft/IMG_1736.jpg)





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Post by: bcmiller on June 20, 2012, 08:55:24 PM
Thanks Pete!
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Post by: shaftmasters on August 06, 2012, 12:31:36 PM
 I think that I know why there is a 1/2 inch difference in driveshaft lengths between the '67-68 and '69 driveshafts but want info to verify. I believe it is because there is a difference in lengths of the transmission yokes being used for these years. Can anyone measure their transmission yokes from center of u-joint to end of yoke and report their findings. Be sure to include what year yours is. They should measure either 4.875 inches or 5.5 inches.
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Post by: tmodel66 on August 06, 2012, 04:12:10 PM
My '69 L48 is 5.5 inches. I thought when we rebuilt the driveshaft it was the wrong one but checking another for verification it was correct. My driveshaft is also clocked and that brought on a bunch of weird looks and a big discussion at the shop until the post about the drivehsafts come up.
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Post by: shaftmasters on August 06, 2012, 04:49:39 PM
My '69 L48 is 5.5 inches. I thought when we rebuilt the driveshaft it was the wrong one but checking another for verification it was correct. My driveshaft is also clocked and that brought on a bunch of weird looks and a big discussion at the shop until the post about the drivehsafts come up.
So I am guessing that your driveshaft measures approximately 49.5 inches long. If you had a driveshaft that measures closer to 50.0 inches long I would guess the transmission yoke to measure 4.875 inches long.
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Post by: Louis M on November 19, 2012, 01:41:13 AM
I just joined so Im new to this forum. I do have a 67 convertible camaro origianlly with a 6cy. and a 50" driveline on a PG. I removed the PG and engine for a TH400 and a 454.
The driveline fit but it has NO room for movement.
The Th400 has 31 splines i believe.
I need approx 1/2 to 3/4 inch more room.
Im going to order it from "Inland Empire Driveline" and go pick it up as i live in OC.
They have a website with all the pertinent info to order a correct one. Looks like they come with 1310 Spicers.
FRom what I gather, the big block sits back a little and thus I need a shorter driveline.
I will ask the guys tomorrow and just order it new, as I dont want any problems from not having enough room for movement, however, I do believe the original big block 49.5" would have worked.
The one I currently have is 50" from center of U-joints.
This forum helped me get my measurements correct.
louis
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Post by: tom on November 23, 2012, 11:49:27 AM
Before you order the new shaft, check your motor mounts. I think there were different mounts for small block, big block, and 6 cyls. I am told you can move the engine forward or backward a little bit by using different mounts. Might be worth a little time.

tom
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Post by: bcmiller on December 14, 2012, 08:29:22 AM
I think that I know why there is a 1/2 inch difference in driveshaft lengths between the '67-68 and '69 driveshafts but want info to verify. I believe it is because there is a difference in lengths of the transmission yokes being used for these years. Can anyone measure their transmission yokes from center of u-joint to end of yoke and report their findings. Be sure to include what year yours is. They should measure either 4.875 inches or 5.5 inches.

I don't think that is the reason for the different lengths.  From above...here is what I have been able to find out...

For 67 and 68 cars with the 396, different frame mounts for the engine were used which pulled the engine forward about 1/2 to 3/4 inch.  Also note the holes for the 396 cross member for use with a manual transmission had the transmission mounting holes about 3/4 inch forward.  The PG, TH350, 3 speed manual and 4 speed manual transmissions are all close to 27 5/8 or 27 3/4 inches long (including bellhousing length).  But the TH400 is slightly longer - around 28 1/4 inches.

67 and 68 Camaros used two different lengths.  49.96 inches for all applications except the 396 with manual trans which was 50.46 inches.

69 Camaros all used the same length, 49.56 inches.  This appears to be due to the frame mounts all being the same for the big blocks and small blocks.  Although I can't find anything listed, it seems the TH400 driveshaft should be slightly shorter.

So that is why I am looking for actual measurements, to confirm these numbers. 
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Post by: bcmiller on February 20, 2013, 09:10:44 PM
Anybody else?
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Post by: 67conv6cyl on February 20, 2013, 11:50:16 PM
I have original unrestored drive shaft, The car is 67 04A norwood convertible, 250 engine 3 speed manual trans, measurement form u joint to u joint is 50".
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Post by: bcmiller on February 22, 2013, 11:45:08 PM
67conv6cyl,

Thank You!  That does fit with the the expected original length.
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Post by: Camarocards on April 26, 2013, 01:38:07 AM
I realize this is an old thread but thought I would keep it going with what I found on my driveshaft when I took it out this past weekend.

Year of car: '68
Norwood or Los Angeles car: Norwood
Month and week of vehicle assembly: 01D
Engine: 396
Transmission: TH400
Driveshaft length (measured center of u joint to center of u joint): 50 inches
Driveshaft casting number: ??
Type of attachment to pinion yoke: Strap and bolts
Code stamped on front of passenger side axle tube: BY 0207G1
Paint stripes and a picture: Shown below
Position of the u-joint flanges on each end: In-line
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Post by: bcmiller on July 09, 2013, 03:51:42 AM
Thanks Bob!
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Post by: JohnZ on July 09, 2013, 03:28:34 PM
The second photo in reply #106 (Bob) is the first Camaro driveshaft I've ever seen with the heavy-duty Saginaw-type nylon-injected yokes and trunnions (vs. the usual retaining-ring design); I've only seen the injected design before on full-size cars with concentric isolation dampers.
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Post by: Camarocards on July 09, 2013, 04:52:21 PM
John,

Yes. Needless to say, I was extremely surprised to see the pins when I pulled the driveshaft out during my restoration. I quickly began my search to try to figure out what was going on and ran across across this thread:

http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=8333.0

Of course I can't say with 100% certainty that this is the original born-with driveshaft, but I can assure you that in my 35 years of owning this car the driveshaft has never been removed. The other thing that I found odd was that the date code (0207) on my rear axle tube is one week after the build date (01D) of the car. Again, I found this odd and from what my research has found, GM had a strike right around the time my car was built and may have resulted in some parts being delayed from their suppliers. I also found this issue on my brake booster which is date 038. Could some parts have been changed during previous ownership? Maybe, but from what I'm uncovering during my restoration there are a few more parts that seem out of sequence with the build date of the car. I'd be curious to know what others have found with cars built around this time frame.
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Post by: Mike S on July 09, 2013, 10:07:47 PM
The second photo in reply #106 (Bob) is the first Camaro driveshaft I've ever seen with the heavy-duty Saginaw-type nylon-injected yokes and trunnions (vs. the usual retaining-ring design); I've only seen the injected design before on full-size cars with concentric isolation dampers.

Hi John,

  Here is the front yoke on my 67 4B LOS with the original 396/TH400 + drive shaft that uses injection.
The rear used the injection too.

Mike
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Post by: bcmiller on July 09, 2013, 11:06:29 PM
Mike, if you have not posted your information earlier, I would really appreciate it if you would.  This is what we are looking for.  If you already posted - Thanks!

If you have an original driveshaft and would be willing to post information about your car, it would be very much appreciated. Here is what to include...

Year of car
Norwood or Los Angeles car
Month and week of vehicle assembly
Engine
Transmission
Driveshaft length (measured center of u joint to center of u joint)
Driveshaft casting number
Type of attachment to pinion yoke. There are two types: U bolts and the strap and bolts method.
Code stamped on front of passenger side axle tube.
Paint stripes and a picture (if possible)
Position of the u-joint flanges on each end. Some cars were "in-line" and others were "clocked" about 30 degrees off from each other

Bryon

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Post by: bcmiller on July 14, 2013, 07:18:48 PM
I found some more information in this thread link.
http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=151164

1967 Z28 w/ M21 - 1 white 1 orange
1968 L78 w/ M21 - 1 orange 1 green 1 white -18 inches from trans yoke

Images attached
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Post by: janobyte on July 19, 2013, 03:44:35 PM
68 Z   04 D   Norwood    OE 302 , M21 ,4:10's ,axles ,rear end ,tubes etc...

staggered yokes ,50" on center ,or @## close.
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Post by: janobyte on July 19, 2013, 03:48:58 PM
Hard to make out with re size: orange/yellow on front yoke.  white  orange white stripes. replaced joints once ,never rebalanced.
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Post by: bcmiller on July 19, 2013, 05:01:30 PM
Pics are too small to see any details.  If you want to send pics of the stripes to me, I can try to post them.  Thanks!
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Post by: bcmiller on September 16, 2013, 11:44:23 PM
Does anybody else want to share data?
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Post by: bcmiller on March 16, 2014, 01:08:54 AM
Bump...

Anybody else have data to share?
Title: Re: Original 67-69 Camaro driveshafts - information requested about your car
Post by: ko-lek-tor on March 19, 2014, 02:04:11 AM
Year of car 1969
Norwood  car
Month and week of vehicle assembly 12B
Engine 396
Transmission M20
Driveshaft length (measured center of u joint to center of u joint)49.56 in.
Driveshaft casting number ?
Type of attachment to pinion yoke. strap and bolts method.
Code stamped on front of passenger side axle tube. BS
Paint stripes –none left
Position of the u-joint flanges= "clocked" about 30 degrees off from each other
I have an extra driveshaft from a friends 69 396. He parted it out back around 1990 and gave me some parts. It is the same as my original. No stripes visible on either. MAy show up evidence if I clean them (sand) Will get to other 2 cars as time permits.
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Post by: bcmiller on March 19, 2014, 02:15:26 AM
Thank You James.  That is the correct length as far as I know.  All 69s should be the same length. 

If you do some cleaning, I would not use anything abrasive. Try some WD40 first to see what that does.
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Post by: 69Z28-RS on March 19, 2014, 02:38:05 AM
Year of car 1969
Norwood  car
Month and week of vehicle assembly 12B
Engine 396
Transmission M20
Driveshaft length (measured center of u joint to center of u joint)49.56 in.
Driveshaft casting number ?
Type of attachment to pinion yoke. strap and bolts method.
Code stamped on front of passenger side axle tube. BS
Paint stripes –none left
Position of the u-joint flanges= "clocked" about 30 degrees off from each other
I have an extra driveshaft from a friends 69 396. He parted it out back around 1990 and gave me some parts. It is the same as my original. No stripes visible on either. MAy show up evidence if I clean them (sand) Will get to other 2 cars as time permits.

Bentley,  I think sanding the drive shaft will totally remove any remaining paint residue (along wtih the surface rust) as it did on mine.  The best method I've seen used is 'soaking' the driveshaft in  Metal Rescue, or the harbor Frieght Label "evapoRust".   Both those products work very well.   I'd degrease the driveshaft, then rig up a tight bathing fixture; some of the guys used a large PVC (that just fit the drive shaft yokes, make it long enough, glue on one end cap, and use the other as pushon/off.   Put the driveshaft in, and fill to the top with the EvapoRust or Metal Rescue..   from what I've seen here and on TC, it works super... :)
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Post by: ko-lek-tor on March 19, 2014, 02:45:55 AM
Thanks, Bryon/Gary I may try this. Shaft has surface rust and I thought it was too far gone as far as ever finding paint, but worth a try, I guess. I do believe the original U joints are still in the shaft though. They have a dimple aprox.1/2 in, diam on each side with a letter in the bottom...kinda hard to see at this point. There are clips on the ends like snap rings.
Title: Re: Original 67-69 Camaro driveshafts - information requested about your car
Post by: ko-lek-tor on March 27, 2014, 06:12:27 PM
This is for the blue car:
Year of car 1969
Norwood  car
Month and week of vehicle assembly 11D
Engine L48 350/300
Transmission TH350
Driveshaft length (measured center of u joint to center of u joint)49.56 in.
Driveshaft casting number ?
Type of attachment to pinion yoke. strap and bolts method.
Code stamped on front of passenger side axle tube. BS
Paint stripes –none left
Position of the u-joint flanges= "clocked" about 30 degrees off from each other
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Post by: ko-lek-tor on April 13, 2014, 08:11:37 PM
Yellow Car:
Year of car 1969
Norwood  car
Month and week of vehicle assembly 3E
Engine 307/200 hp
Transmission Saginaw M20 4 spd.
Driveshaft length (measured center of u joint to center of u joint)49.56 in.
Driveshaft casting number ?
Type of attachment to pinion yoke. U-Bolts.
Code stamped on front of passenger side axle tube. PA 3.08 10 blt. Single track
Paint stripes –none left
Position of the u-joint flanges= "clocked" about 30 degrees off from each other
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Post by: bcmiller on April 24, 2014, 01:37:00 AM
James - thanks for the data!
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Post by: cam69aro on May 15, 2014, 05:38:59 AM
looked at my driveshaft tonight, wide orange stripe near the front. u-bolts in rear to hold it in. black `69 z28 03E norwood car with muncie m20 trans. will measure length and check offset in a week or so, did`nt jack car up but saw the stripe amid 45 years of not being cleaned. there may be a another stripe but did`nt see it. i`ll try to post a pic, going to do some work soon on it for the summer :)
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Post by: bcmiller on May 15, 2014, 03:47:18 PM
Thanks Eldon, yes please post any additional information when you have a chance.
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Post by: crv1943 on October 29, 2014, 07:06:00 PM
This is the information for my 1969 Camaro that I bought out of Phoenix Arizona in the 1990s. It shows 25,000 miles and is still very original.
Los Angeles built
12D of '68
396-325
M20 4 speed
Drive shaft length 49.56
straps and bolts
Both original Bow Tie u-joints still in place
Clocked 30 degrees
BR 3.07 Posi Has 3.73 gears now.
No paint stripes
Clint
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Post by: bcmiller on October 29, 2014, 08:17:08 PM
Thanks Clint!
Title: Re: Original 67-69 Camaro driveshafts - information requested about your car
Post by: bcmiller on December 21, 2014, 06:13:22 AM
We are getting close to working on a report for driveshafts. 

I may be contacting some of you soon to see if I can get your permission to use some of your photos.

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Post by: bcmiller on April 04, 2015, 01:45:47 PM
If anyone has any more data to share it would be appreciated.

Specifically requesting any pics of the stripes on driveshafts from TH350 cars right now.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Original 67-69 Camaro driveshafts - information requested about your car
Post by: Leon in Mn. on April 04, 2015, 08:09:16 PM
I finally got around to crawling under the 67 to find this info.  Hopefully it is helpful.

Here is what I found:

1967 Camaro RS/SS 396 BB with 400 TH auto.
LOS car built 03C third week of March 67
driveshaft length from center yoke to yoke 50" or very close to it
attachment to pinion yoke with straps  - injection on other joints
Code on rear axle is Q W 0 ? 0 7 G 1 (the 4th digit is hidden behind axle clamp, I wasn't going to move it)  It seems that these numbers were more left on the axle than in the place that is stated in the pictures.  I had a hard time finding it till I looked and wire brushed it more to the left. 
I found 2 paint stripes on the shaft,  From the front to the rear appears to be orange and the rear possibly green?  but i am somewhat colorblind in that color!  Spaced about 6 inches apart and about an inch wide, more near the front.
position of the u joint flanges are "inline".

Hope this helps you all. 
Leon in Mn.
 

Title: Re: Original 67-69 Camaro driveshafts - information requested about your car
Post by: ko-lek-tor on April 04, 2015, 08:39:20 PM
Parts car: 9N584420 6cyl. glide, Axle= (10 bolt 2.73 single track) BP0122G2
Other than shoddy bodywork, 1/4's replaced, repaint and being rusted out,the car appeared to be in a mostly untouched, original, low mile all GM car.
Year of car 1969
Norwood  car
Month and week of vehicle assembly =2nd week of Jan. (est.)
Engine= 6 cyl
Transmission= P-Glide
Driveshaft length (measured center of u joint to center of u joint)49.56 in.
Driveshaft casting number ?
Type of attachment to pinion yoke.= U-Bolts.
Code stamped on front of passenger side axle tube.= BP 2.73 10 blt. Single track
Paint stripes –none left
Position of the u-joint flanges= "clocked" about 30 degrees off from each other
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Post by: janobyte on April 05, 2015, 02:14:37 AM
welcome to use my pics
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Post by: bcmiller on April 06, 2015, 02:23:20 AM
Thanks Guys !!!
Title: Re: Original 67-69 Camaro driveshafts - information requested about your car
Post by: vtfb68 on April 13, 2015, 02:23:12 AM
BC,
 Here is some data points: 1968 LA 05C, 396 (MW), M-21 BR rear end, 50 1/2"Drive shaft, in-line, U-bolts, Three stripes near the yoke (orange, orange (or maybe blue),  and white.
    The car should be a 05B, but 05A and 05B's don't exist
   Victor
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Post by: bcmiller on April 13, 2015, 09:33:05 PM
vtfb68,

Thank You.  Can you get a pic of the stripes?

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Post by: vtfb68 on April 13, 2015, 10:18:50 PM
bc,
  Can you PM me your e-mail or cell number ? I am unable to post. The pictures are in my phone.
     VT
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Post by: bcmiller on April 16, 2015, 02:37:17 PM
bc,   Can you PM me your e-mail or cell number ? I am unable to post. The pictures are in my phone.      VT

VT - pm sent.
Title: Re: Original 67-69 Camaro driveshafts - information requested about your car
Post by: vtfb68 on April 28, 2015, 02:58:03 PM
BC,
   My yoke is marked with sublime green paint.
       Victor
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Post by: bcmiller on April 29, 2015, 03:46:53 AM
vtfb68,

The pics you sent to my email were too small to use.  Can you send larger files to my email please?
Title: Re: Original 67-69 Camaro driveshafts - information requested about your car
Post by: 69Z28-RS on April 29, 2015, 12:42:16 PM
BC,
   My yoke is marked with sublime green paint.
       Victor

.. 'sublime'?   someone has replaced your yoke with a '70's Dodge product!   :)
Title: Re: Original 67-69 Camaro driveshafts - information requested about your car
Post by: vtfb68 on April 29, 2015, 02:40:53 PM
Yeah, maybe. They stamped a lot of PTB's on Norwood built cars too.
      VT
Title: Re: Original 67-69 Camaro driveshafts - information requested about your car
Post by: BillOhio on November 09, 2015, 04:10:52 AM
My driveshaft appears to have both u joints marked
Title: Re: Original 67-69 Camaro driveshafts - information requested about your car
Post by: ko-lek-tor on December 17, 2015, 07:51:11 PM
Parts car: 9N584420 6cyl. glide, Axle= (10 bolt 2.73 single track) BP0122G2
Other than shoddy bodywork, 1/4's replaced, repaint and being rusted out,the car appeared to be in a mostly untouched, original, low mile all GM car.
Year of car 1969
Norwood  car
Month and week of vehicle assembly =2nd week of Jan. (est.)
Engine= 6 cyl
Transmission= P-Glide
Driveshaft length (measured center of u joint to center of u joint)49.56 in.
Driveshaft casting number ?
Type of attachment to pinion yoke.= U-Bolts.
Code stamped on front of passenger side axle tube.= BP 2.73 10 blt. Single track
Paint stripes –Edit(12-17-15) Orange & White
Position of the u-joint flanges= "clocked" about 30 degrees off from each other

Edited D.S. color
Title: Re: Original 67-69 Camaro driveshafts - information requested about your car
Post by: ko-lek-tor on December 18, 2015, 02:59:21 AM
Parts car: 9N584420 6cyl. glide, Axle= (10 bolt 2.73 single track) BP0122G2
Other than shoddy bodywork, 1/4's replaced, repaint and being rusted out,the car appeared to be in a mostly untouched, original, low mile all GM car.
Year of car 1969
Norwood  car
Month and week of vehicle assembly =2nd week of Jan. (est.)
Engine= 6 cyl
Transmission= P-Glide
Driveshaft length (measured center of u joint to center of u joint)49.56 in.
Driveshaft casting number ?
Type of attachment to pinion yoke.= U-Bolts.
Code stamped on front of passenger side axle tube.= BP 2.73 10 blt. Single track
Paint stripes –Edit(12-17-15) Orange & White
Position of the u-joint flanges= "clocked" about 30 degrees off from each other

Edited D.S. stripe colors

http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?action=post;msg=122493;topic=7861.135#
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Post by: bcmiller on December 18, 2015, 03:18:57 AM
OK, got it.  1969, 6 cylinder with PG and 2.73 ten bolt open. 

Thank You!

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Post by: 69Z28-RS on December 18, 2015, 05:34:12 AM
Summarizing from my post to a different thread re my driveshaft (I had previously posted that I'd cleaned and painted my driveshaft long ago, but that driveshaft was from my Nomad, not the Z28..  thankfully!)..  So I found my original driveshaft and cleaned, measured it and photographed it.
http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=14017.15

Car:   09C (late) '69 Z28 with 302, M20 and 3.73 posi rear gear (all original to the car) owned since 1976, not driven since 1980.

Drive shaft length:  49-5/8" from U-joint center to U-joint center.
Paint stripes:   Orange and White stripes at the 11-13" mark from the Yoke end; yellow splash around 10" along...
Title: Re: Original 67-69 Camaro driveshafts - information requested about your car
Post by: cook_dw on December 19, 2015, 11:03:16 PM
1.  68
2.  NOR
3.  03D
4.  L78
5.  M21
6.  50.5"
7.  U bolts
8.  BT
9.  Hard to tell at this point but appear to be orange and white.  Possibly a 3rd
10.  In-line


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Post by: cook_dw on December 19, 2015, 11:04:15 PM
Additional pics
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Post by: bcmiller on December 21, 2015, 02:40:11 PM
Thanks Darrell.  I think there should be a third stripe.  Hard to see, but might be there?

Title: Re: Original 67-69 Camaro driveshafts - information requested about your car
Post by: dino67 on December 24, 2015, 05:13:38 PM
67
NOR
05A
L78
M20
50.5
U bolt
PJ0328G2
Orange stripe and possibly a white stripe.
Flanges in line
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Post by: bcmiller on December 25, 2015, 07:06:31 PM
67
NOR
05A
L78
M20
50.5
U bolt
PJ0328G2
Orange stripe and possibly a white stripe.
Flanges in line

Thanks for the information!

Any chance there could be more than 2 stripes?
Title: Re: Original 67-69 Camaro driveshafts - information requested about your car
Post by: bcmiller on December 25, 2015, 07:10:22 PM
Thank You Gary!  Sorry, I guess I must have forgotten to reply to this earlier.  Merry Christmas!  Glad the driveshaft turned out good.

Summarizing from my post to a different thread re my driveshaft (I had previously posted that I'd cleaned and painted my driveshaft long ago, but that driveshaft was from my Nomad, not the Z28..  thankfully!)..  So I found my original driveshaft and cleaned, measured it and photographed it.
http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=14017.15

Car:   09C (late) '69 Z28 with 302, M20 and 3.73 posi rear gear (all original to the car) owned since 1976, not driven since 1980.

Drive shaft length:  49-5/8" from U-joint center to U-joint center.

Paint stripes:   Orange and White stripes at the 11-13" mark from the Yoke end; yellow splash around 10" along...

(http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=14017.0;attach=18357;image)
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Post by: dino67 on December 26, 2015, 07:48:25 PM
BC,

Looks likes only two stripes but it's real hard to tell for sure. I can try to post some pics for you.
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Post by: bcmiller on December 27, 2015, 07:33:02 PM
Sounds good. Thanks!

Oh and you can call me Bryon if you want. 😀
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Post by: cook_dw on December 27, 2015, 10:14:51 PM
lol..  Ok BC..

(http://www.camaros.org/forum/Smileys/default/grin.gif)  (http://www.camaros.org/forum/Smileys/default/grin.gif)  (http://www.camaros.org/forum/Smileys/default/grin.gif)
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Post by: bcmiller on December 30, 2015, 10:41:50 PM
No problem. I have been called a lot worse. :)
Title: Re: Original 67-69 Camaro driveshafts - information requested about your car
Post by: m22mike on January 02, 2016, 07:10:37 PM
Just recently at the MCACN show I had lunch with one of my Cleveland Chevelle car buddies and his friend. In talking with them I found out they both worked at the Chevrolet plant in Parma Ohio back in the mid to late 60's. My buddy is about 68 ish now.
 They said they were both involved with drive shaft's and balancing, they made shafts for more than several Chevrolets'.
I specifically ask if they knew anything about the strips, they explained that when doing the code stripes, and while the shaft was still in the ballancing fixture,  the guy might hold several paint brushes at a time while the shaft turned in the fixture.
 So the one reason to post all this, they both indicated to me that one the the 3 strips was a shift code. If it was consistent, who knows ? And if not, that may explain why you'll see only two stipes at times.

Mike
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Post by: dino67 on January 06, 2016, 08:58:30 PM
Bryon,

Finally got a picture of my driveshaft.
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Post by: bcmiller on January 06, 2016, 10:18:20 PM
Thank you!
Title: Re: Original 67-69 Camaro driveshafts - information requested about your car
Post by: X33RS on January 27, 2016, 02:33:32 AM
Here's the driveshaft out of my 69 Z.

(http://i755.photobucket.com/albums/xx200/Firebirdjones1/P1250002_zpsb293psg1.jpg) (http://s755.photobucket.com/user/Firebirdjones1/media/P1250002_zpsb293psg1.jpg.html) 
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Post by: cook_dw on January 30, 2016, 02:07:09 PM
I wanted to add a little more info while doing the de-rusting process.

Casting numbers

(http://i1310.photobucket.com/albums/s649/cook_dw/1968%20Rallye%20Green%20L78%20Camaro/IMG_4833_zpsnheqn4yt.jpg) (http://s1310.photobucket.com/user/cook_dw/media/1968%20Rallye%20Green%20L78%20Camaro/IMG_4833_zpsnheqn4yt.jpg.html)

(http://i1310.photobucket.com/albums/s649/cook_dw/1968%20Rallye%20Green%20L78%20Camaro/IMG_4832_zpsvbmcvn1x.jpg) (http://s1310.photobucket.com/user/cook_dw/media/1968%20Rallye%20Green%20L78%20Camaro/IMG_4832_zpsvbmcvn1x.jpg.html)



Paint markings from yoke side down - Orange  Green  White

(http://i1310.photobucket.com/albums/s649/cook_dw/1968%20Rallye%20Green%20L78%20Camaro/IMG_4831_zps4hjm5lui.jpg) (http://s1310.photobucket.com/user/cook_dw/media/1968%20Rallye%20Green%20L78%20Camaro/IMG_4831_zps4hjm5lui.jpg.html)



Some type of green dab of paint below the stipes.  Will know more once rust conversion is finished.

(http://i1310.photobucket.com/albums/s649/cook_dw/1968%20Rallye%20Green%20L78%20Camaro/IMG_4830_zpspbo9acbf.jpg) (http://s1310.photobucket.com/user/cook_dw/media/1968%20Rallye%20Green%20L78%20Camaro/IMG_4830_zpspbo9acbf.jpg.html)
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Post by: cook_dw on January 30, 2016, 09:14:58 PM
Still soaking but I am starting to see the paint stripes better and better..  Also looks like whoever it was doing the painting grabbed it while it was still wet.

(http://i1310.photobucket.com/albums/s649/cook_dw/1968%20Rallye%20Green%20L78%20Camaro/IMG_4844_zpsc2uxe2sk.jpg) (http://s1310.photobucket.com/user/cook_dw/media/1968%20Rallye%20Green%20L78%20Camaro/IMG_4844_zpsc2uxe2sk.jpg.html)

(http://i1310.photobucket.com/albums/s649/cook_dw/1968%20Rallye%20Green%20L78%20Camaro/IMG_4845_zpspu4wgwj0.jpg) (http://s1310.photobucket.com/user/cook_dw/media/1968%20Rallye%20Green%20L78%20Camaro/IMG_4845_zpspu4wgwj0.jpg.html)

(http://i1310.photobucket.com/albums/s649/cook_dw/1968%20Rallye%20Green%20L78%20Camaro/IMG_4846_zpskswwacvq.jpg) (http://s1310.photobucket.com/user/cook_dw/media/1968%20Rallye%20Green%20L78%20Camaro/IMG_4846_zpskswwacvq.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Original 67-69 Camaro driveshafts - information requested about your car
Post by: bcmiller on January 31, 2016, 02:13:04 AM
Thanks Darrell. I was expecting three stripes for an L78.  :)
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Post by: 69Z28-RS on January 31, 2016, 03:19:03 AM
What is the functional difference in BB (L78?) and SB driveshafts?? 
Title: Re: Original 67-69 Camaro driveshafts - information requested about your car
Post by: cook_dw on January 31, 2016, 03:34:08 AM
Length is the only thing I am aware of.. I assume the striping could be for the passing of RPM tests..??..  Bryon may know more..
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Post by: 69Z28-RS on January 31, 2016, 04:00:48 AM
OK.  I wasn't aware of the length difference... So there's no strength/diameter/wall thickness difference?    In the factory they needed a quick visual reference to help them grab the correct part for the car coming down the line, and the length being different would be sufficient to justify the striping difference.

PS. I've never owned a big block... A mighty mouse is more than GOOD!.. :)   but if a car part from a BB car can be used on a SB car, I'm interested.. :)
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Post by: cook_dw on January 31, 2016, 04:07:35 AM
I dont think its just striping for bb vs sb.  auto bb's had a different stripping as well..  Would like to see a compiled list of data..  Come on Bryon!!  ;D
Title: Re: Original 67-69 Camaro driveshafts - information requested about your car
Post by: 69Z28-RS on January 31, 2016, 04:08:59 AM
Yep, I suppose the Driveshaft Survey Table will tell us all the differences... :)
Title: Re: Original 67-69 Camaro driveshafts - information requested about your car
Post by: bcmiller on January 31, 2016, 01:17:02 PM
Have been working on a driveshaft report for about 4 years. It's close to being ready for release.  :)

Length and yoke type are the main differences.
Title: Re: Original 67-69 Camaro driveshafts - information requested about your car
Post by: X33RS on January 31, 2016, 02:11:30 PM
You would be right Mr. Cook.  That holds true in the Pontiac world and have seen a lot of those differences restoring Pontiacs.  Transmission choice does have an effect on the striping colors and configurations.  I'm sure Chevrolet does the same thing.
Title: Re: Original 67-69 Camaro driveshafts - information requested about your car
Post by: bcmiller on January 31, 2016, 10:38:00 PM
Yep, I suppose the Driveshaft Survey Table will tell us all the differences... :)

Close but not quite. :)
Title: Re: Original 67-69 Camaro driveshafts - information requested about your car
Post by: 69z27z87 on February 03, 2016, 06:04:58 PM
Some info on my car....

69 Camaro
Norwood
10C build
396 (402) - TH400
Bolted u joints
rear end - BL - non-posi 3.08
3 stripes -from the front - orange, green, violet

hope this helps....

Title: Re: Original 67-69 Camaro driveshafts - information requested about your car
Post by: cook_dw on February 24, 2016, 03:39:18 PM
I wanted to add this to the driveshaft info. 

Decided to derust the yoke last night.  Found another nice paint marking..

(http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2016/02/full-1263-39699-img_1371.jpg)

(http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2016/02/full-1263-39700-img_1373.jpg)

(http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2016/02/full-1263-39701-img_1380.jpg)

(http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2016/02/full-1263-39702-img_1381.jpg)
Title: Re: Original 67-69 Camaro driveshafts - information requested about your car
Post by: bcmiller on February 25, 2016, 04:08:34 AM
Some info on my car....
69 Camaro
Norwood
10C build
396 (402) - TH400
Bolted u joints
rear end - BL - non-posi 3.08
3 stripes -from the front - orange, green, violet
hope this helps....

Yes it does help!  Thank You!  Could you do one more thing please?  Measure the length from the center of one u joint to the center of the other u joint.  Having some help to hold one end would be best.  Try to get the measurement to the closest 1/16th of an inch.

Title: Re: Original 67-69 Camaro driveshafts - information requested about your car
Post by: bcmiller on February 25, 2016, 04:09:52 AM
I wanted to add this to the driveshaft info. 

Decided to derust the yoke last night.  Found another nice paint marking..

Thank You Darrell.  Good pics.
Title: Re: Original 67-69 Camaro driveshafts - information requested about your car
Post by: ko-lek-tor on February 25, 2016, 12:53:07 PM
Some info on my car....

69 Camaro
Norwood
10C build
396 (402) - TH400
Bolted u joints
rear end - BL - non-posi 3.08
3 stripes -from the front - orange, green, violet

hope this helps....



That tape measure: Is that from the lip of the tube or center of yoke or ?
10C Build is tha?t 68 or 69
Title: Re: Original 67-69 Camaro driveshafts - information requested about your car
Post by: 69z27z87 on February 25, 2016, 05:48:51 PM
ko..

I checked my pics.. the tape measure is from the lip of the tube.

Its a Oct 69 build.
Title: Re: Original 67-69 Camaro driveshafts - information requested about your car
Post by: 69z27z87 on February 26, 2016, 12:33:21 AM
I measured the total length...eye-to-eye...looks like 49 1/16 inch
Title: Re: Original 67-69 Camaro driveshafts - information requested about your car
Post by: bcmiller on February 27, 2016, 08:32:25 PM
If you could...please measure from the center of one u joint to the center of the other.

Another way of saying that is "the center of each cap or cup that holds the needle bearings for the u joint".
Title: Re: Original 67-69 Camaro driveshafts - information requested about your car
Post by: bcmiller on February 27, 2016, 11:03:22 PM
Still soaking but I am starting to see the paint stripes better and better.. 

(http://i1310.photobucket.com/albums/s649/cook_dw/1968%20Rallye%20Green%20L78%20Camaro/IMG_4844_zpsc2uxe2sk.jpg) (http://s1310.photobucket.com/user/cook_dw/media/1968%20Rallye%20Green%20L78%20Camaro/IMG_4844_zpsc2uxe2sk.jpg.html)

Looks good!  Thanks for the pic! 
Title: Re: Original 67-69 Camaro driveshafts - information requested about your car
Post by: bcmiller on February 28, 2016, 04:20:58 AM
Would really like to have more data on any late 68 or 69 cars with the TH350 transmission.
Title: Re: Original 67-69 Camaro driveshafts - information requested about your car
Post by: bcmiller on July 14, 2016, 07:07:51 PM
Bump
Title: Re: Original 67-69 Camaro driveshafts - information requested about your car
Post by: cam69aro on July 15, 2016, 03:00:42 AM
i can offer some info on my `69z, needs all the rubber replaced on the brake system so i`ll have all the wheels off it soon and will take some pics for you if needed. i can see the stripes on the driveshaft just looking under it so i know there is at least one visible.
Title: Re: Original 67-69 Camaro driveshafts - information requested about your car
Post by: bcmiller on July 15, 2016, 03:24:46 AM
That would be great Eldon. It most likely has one orange and one white stripe, but if you could confirm, I would appreciate it. :)
Title: Re: Original 67-69 Camaro driveshafts - information requested about your car
Post by: cam69aro on July 15, 2016, 03:40:48 AM
will do, I`m bringing it to the Street machine nationals this weekend in St.Paul Mn. so when the show is done sunday it`s time for the brake restoration.
Title: Re: Original 67-69 Camaro driveshafts - information requested about your car
Post by: bcmiller on December 10, 2016, 02:18:03 AM
Eldon, did you have time to check your driveshaft? 
Title: Re: Original 67-69 Camaro driveshafts - information requested about your car
Post by: bcmiller on July 27, 2017, 06:43:15 PM
Bump.
Title: Re: Original 67-69 Camaro driveshafts - information requested about your car
Post by: 19674KCamaro on October 16, 2017, 05:04:24 AM
Does anyone have any info on the driveshaft for a 1967 L78 4K Camaro?  Trying to verify mine.
Title: Re: Original 67-69 Camaro driveshafts - information requested about your car
Post by: Everett#2390 on October 17, 2017, 01:48:14 AM
The question is why are the U-joints out-of-phase?

The answer is for reducing vibrations.
Graph the power through a single U-joint and a sine wave is drawn. The joint speeds up, positive arc, and slows down, negative arc.
Add another U-joint and its power graph will have the same sine wave.
Add the two sine waves, if they are in-phase on the same shaft, and amplitude doubles, meaning the resultant twist is noticeable.
By offsetting one joint by 30°, decreases the amplitude of the associated twist, less vibration.
Now, driveshaft's having been built forever, and 1st Gen driveshaft's are different from typical design, may be due to the extreme angularity of drivetrain design on Camaro, i.e., wheelbase, length of shaft, OD and wall thickness, and critical speed of driveshaft.

Critical speed is important - it is rocket science. JMT's
Title: Re: Original 67-69 Camaro driveshafts - information requested about your car
Post by: bcmiller on October 17, 2017, 02:44:46 AM
Does anyone have any info on the driveshaft for a 1967 L78 4K Camaro?  Trying to verify mine.

What are the specs on the one you have?
Title: Re: Original 67-69 Camaro driveshafts - information requested about your car
Post by: bcmiller on October 17, 2017, 02:45:47 AM
The question is why are the U-joints out-of-phase?

The answer is for reducing vibrations.
Graph the power through a single U-joint and a sine wave is drawn. The joint speeds up, positive arc, and slows down, negative arc.
Add another U-joint and its power graph will have the same sine wave.
Add the two sine waves, if they are in-phase on the same shaft, and amplitude doubles, meaning the resultant twist is noticeable.
By offsetting one joint by 30°, decreases the amplitude of the associated twist, less vibration.
Now, driveshaft's having been built forever, and 1st Gen driveshaft's are different from typical design, may be due to the extreme angularity of drivetrain design on Camaro, i.e., wheelbase, length of shaft, OD and wall thickness, and critical speed of driveshaft.

Critical speed is important - it is rocket science. JMT's

The aren’t all “clocked” or out if phase.
Title: Re: Original 67-69 Camaro driveshafts - information requested about your car
Post by: Everett#2390 on October 17, 2017, 01:36:26 PM
The aren’'t all “clocked” or out if phase.
True, I would think it depended upon application/options.
Title: Re: Original 67-69 Camaro driveshafts - information requested about your car
Post by: rich69rs on October 17, 2017, 05:21:23 PM
The question is why are the U-joints out-of-phase?

The answer is for reducing vibrations.
Graph the power through a single U-joint and a sine wave is drawn. The joint speeds up, positive arc, and slows down, negative arc.
Add another U-joint and its power graph will have the same sine wave.
Add the two sine waves, if they are in-phase on the same shaft, and amplitude doubles, meaning the resultant twist is noticeable.
By offsetting one joint by 30°, decreases the amplitude of the associated twist, less vibration.
Now, driveshaft's having been built forever, and 1st Gen driveshaft's are different from typical design, may be due to the extreme angularity of drivetrain design on Camaro, i.e., wheelbase, length of shaft, OD and wall thickness, and critical speed of driveshaft.

Critical speed is important - it is rocket science.

I have to disagree - that’s not how a double Cardan joint (U-joint) works.  Refer to page 3, 3rd post of this thread and search : driveshaft, rich69rs for other posts where this has been discussed previously.

I have my theory as to why Chevy did this - but since the forum hasn’t pursued the question seriously,  I haven’t either.  Of all the driveshafts built by all the auto makers, over all the years, ‘69 Camaro, SB, TH350, manual, and Powerglide got offset yokes, yet, as I recall BB w/TH400 transmissions didn’t???

As far as critical speeed (resonance) goes, offsetting the yokes will definitely stiffen the driveshaft and shift a natural frequency(cies) up - but at the expense of proper operation of a double u-joint system which is designed to keep the included angles of the driveshaft equal at all times.

With offset yokes, the included angle between the differential and the driveshaft will be different at all times from the included angle between the driveshaft and the transmission.  Stiffer driveshaft system? Undoubtedly.  Ideal for loading on either the diff or tans?  Not so much.  I modified my driveshaft to in line yokes back in 1991. 
Title: Re: Original 67-69 Camaro driveshafts - information requested about your car
Post by: Everett#2390 on October 17, 2017, 07:34:37 PM
As you say, my theory also, anything is possible.
Here I have two shafts from'67 L6/PG/2.73, and one from '68 V8/PG/3.08 - don't know the application of those shown - over 40 thing
Shafts measured from shaft yoke to shaft yoke, overall
Short one is 50 inches overall by 2 3/4 inch diameter
Long one is 51 3/8 inches by 2 inch diameter
Critical speed is dependent upon OD, wall thickness, material, and length.
Just my theory.
Title: Re: Original 67-69 Camaro driveshafts - information requested about your car
Post by: bcmiller on October 18, 2017, 02:48:34 AM
Some of the Firebird Turbo 400 driveshafts also had inline yokes. I have one in my garage.
Title: Re: Original 67-69 Camaro driveshafts - information requested about your car
Post by: Tx-Z 302 on October 28, 2017, 06:44:32 PM
My 68 maybe Z28 is an 07B and the shaft has yellow and white paint swabs. The yokes are in line.
Title: Re: Original 67-69 Camaro driveshafts - information requested about your car
Post by: bcmiller on October 31, 2017, 11:37:35 PM
Thanks Chris, for Z28 I believe should be orange and white stripes. Faded orange can look like yellow.

Can you get a measurement center of u joint to center of u joint?  Thanks!
Title: Re: Original 67-69 Camaro driveshafts - information requested about your car
Post by: bcmiller on October 31, 2017, 11:44:38 PM
As you say, my theory also, anything is possible.
Here I have two shafts from'67 L6/PG/2.73, and one from '68 V8/PG/3.08 - don't know the application of those shown - over 40 thing
Shafts measured from shaft yoke to shaft yoke, overall
Short one is 50 inches overall by 2 3/4 inch diameter
Long one is 51 3/8 inches by 2 inch diameter
Critical speed is dependent upon OD, wall thickness, material, and length.
Just my theory.

49.96 is the length for most 67 and 68 Driveshafts. The other one is too long for any stock 67-69 Camaro.

Are you sure on your tube diameters or are you measuring the yoke?