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Camaro Research Group Discussion => Originality => Topic started by: mopar346 on February 05, 2011, 12:35:03 AM
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I am remembering something from the past about a supposed 375/327 super stock car ion my area. Was there such a thing and where can I get info?
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No such thing from the factory.
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375 horsepower, 327 cubic inch, was a Corvette FI motor in 1965. That, if I recall correctly, was the highest horsepower rating ever factory assigned to a 327.
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For first generation Camaros, the Super Stock package came standard with the L48 engine (350). You could substitute a larger engine (396) L34, L35, L78, or L89 if available for that particular year, but not a smaller engine (230, 250, 283 (1967 Swiss plant only), 307, or 327. And of course a Super Sport never had a 302 either (Z28 only).
boston14
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Thanks for the info guys, I will have to track that car down anyway and get the facts on it. It was a Super Stock race car not just a super sport package that I am talking about. Most manufactures had race packages that could be bought with the right connections.
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During the early days of "Super Stock" as a drag racing class, various sanctioning bodies (NHRA, AHRA, IHRA, NASCAR, plus an array of local entities) offered a variety of categories under the label "Super Stock." By 1967, NHRA had pretty much locked in a set of rules that defined "Super Stock" as a car that had been produced in quantities of at least 50 units and was available to the general public.
In 1966 and '67 Ford offered the 427 Fairlane as a viable option for Super Stock. Some were equipped with a lightweight, scooped hood and there were a few "Tunnel Ram" versions around. Eventually, Ford developed the 1968 Cobra Jet Mustang and and introduced a flock of them in Super Stock at the 1968 NHRA Winternationals.
In 1968, Chrysler pushed the limit of the Super Stock rules by commissioning the construction of 50 Barracudas and 50 Darts equipped with lightweight body parts and the "race Hemi" powerplant that had originally been developed for the 1964 and '65 A/FX cars that kicked off the "Funny Car" craze.
In 1967, General Motors added the 375 horsepower 396 (aluminum and iron-headed versions) to the Camaro line in order to stay in the game. Two years later, GM moved further into the market with the low-production COPO 1969 Camaro and Chevelle and eventually the ZL1. While some Camaros competed in the lower classes of Super Stock with the 350, 295 horsepower engine, the 327, 275 horsepower engine, and the 1966 327, 350 horsepower Nova was available, they were close to the bottom of the class structure that originally stopped at SS/I and SS/IA.
In the final analysis, the car you have described is what it is. In NHRA, many first generation Camaros, Novas, and Chevelles competed in Super Stock with the 327, 275 horsepower motor, especially after the class was broadly expanded in 1972, and if the car was campaigned as a "Super Stocker" under the rules of one of the sanctioning bodies other than NHRA, all bets are off. Their class descriptions could have easily accommodated combinations that were never produced or sold.
We'll all be interested to see what you find.
c
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I remember those hemi cudas. A friend had one in the mid or late 70s. Very tough to beat if he made a good pass.
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I remember those hemi cudas. A friend had one in the mid or late 70s. Very tough to beat if he made a good pass.
Considering the tires and suspensions of the day, a "good pass" was not always a foregone conclusion.
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I misread the original post. I was referring Super Sport factory packages. Sorry about that .................... :)
boston14
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Thanks folks, now you put the pressure on me to track it down. I'm leaving for PA tomorrow for the next three weeks but will do some digging when I get back. It hopefully will be a short search since I the know the guy that owned (owns?) it for 30+ years. He has a shop in Tallahassee I can run by visit.
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No SS first gen Camaro less than 350 CID. All 350 and up are SS or COPO. no 375 hp 327 from the factory in a first gen Camaro.
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I thought LM1s and L65s were only available in non-SS cars?
And as mentiuoned above, I am referring to a SUPER STOCK package not a Super Sport package.
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I have never heard of a Super Stock package for a Camaro from the factory.
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The small block Super Stock 1967 Camaro was called a Z/28 :)
AHRA was more lenient with the 50 car rule and they allowed a 427, 396 and 302 Camaro to run in their stock class.
There is a letter from AHRA to Nickey Chevy where they certified the 427, 396 and 352 (I think 352 was a typo for 302)
I don't think Nickey made the 50 car minimum and a deal was made with Yenko and Harrell to make the 50 minimum
of 427 Camaros and they ran one in AHRA stocl class.
There were a bunch of 302 Z/28s that ran in NHRA and AHRA class racing
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And as mentiuoned above, I am referring to a SUPER STOCK package not a Super Sport package.
There was no such thing as a factory "Super Stock" package - only the SS (Super Sport) option.
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Got it, that was really part of the original question. Was there such a thing or is my information/memory less than good. Thanks, I'm still gonna track the car down to find out what it is. On a 67 the data plate should give me the skinny right?
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Yup. Get a pic of the tag and the VIN and that will tell us a lot. :)
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The closest thing to a Super Stock Camaro would be a car that was bought new to make a race car.
for example the Grumpy Jenkins 67 Super Stock Camaro was said to be 375 hp no radio no heater 4:88 or 4:56 gear 4 speed car.
Anyone have a picture of the trim tag on this car?
I always wonder if there was a dash or anything on the trim tag to show a special order.
Saw this car at Carlise but the hood was closed. I talked to the Grump about it but he didn't want to open the hood because the owner was not there. He said he sent a guy to pick it up at Norwood and drive it to PA. and the driver was not too happy about driving it home.
There were other 67 Camaros that were bought for drag or road racing but some were just bought off the lot and not pre-ordered.
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Went by the guys shop today, he still has the car still claims its a 375 horse 327 car, I didn't express any knowledge to the contrary. It is at his other shop and I can look a it all I want and get photos of whatever. I may be able to go Saturday depending on what I have going with Cody's baseball. I post info when I can.
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Here's the only 375hp 327 Chevy ever made, and it was only available in the '64-'65 Corvette. Photo is a '63, but '64-'65 were similar.
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Hopefully, I will get my eyes and a camera on it Saturday and its origin will be clearer. It is possible that he swapped it in when new or even bought it from a dealer or individual who did, or its a 275 horse and he is remembering wrong. Oh well it will be fun to crawl over it either way.
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bingo on the 275hp 327
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Went and looked at the Camaro today, it is now a gutted, mostly aluminum pro-comp car. Its been back halfed, rack and pinion, frame horns cut, and lexan, nothing left of the original firewall much less the tag. Oh well that history is lost, he contend it was a 375 327, I didn't tell him otherwise.