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Camaro Research Group Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: crownroyal58 on November 15, 2010, 05:07:50 PM
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Seems to me that i read a post here somewhere that said the drivers door stamp was re-tooled in late 69 to accomadate a sticker that displayed the VIn# in that door. If i did'nt imagagine this, is there anyone that may have a picture of this door, i have noticed that the left door is diffrent than the right door on my car.
Thanks, Mike
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If I'm not mistaken it was in Aug of 69 the LH door was changed. Jerry McNeish talks about it in his books. The LH door has 2 impressions where the new Federal sticker went. Mine is 08E & has that door....Joe
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hey does yours have the vin decal as well? trying to find out if all cars came with the sticker or if it was sporadic since it wasn't required yet
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hey does yours have the vin decal as well? trying to find out if all cars came with the sticker or if it was sporadic since it wasn't required yet
Every car produced after September 1, 1969 had the certification label; that's when the federal law became effective.
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I understand that, but in Jerry's book it shows a pic of the vin decal on 671208 (i have been told this was a repop sticker in the pic). and that they began applying the sticker the first week of august 69. So my question is how early and how consistently did they start putting these on 69 camaros. I think my drivers side door had a touch up done at one point, I have a 08C car should mine have it?
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Seems to me that i read a post here somewhere that said the drivers door stamp was re-tooled in late 69 to accomadate a sticker that displayed the VIn# in that door. If i did'nt imagagine this, is there anyone that may have a picture of this door, i have noticed that the left door is diffrent than the right door on my car.
Thanks, Mike
Door re tooled with two raised ridges to frame the Vin# sticker
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b107/m22mike/tags.jpg)
Mike
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hey mike thanks for posting that pic, what was date code and vin for the red Z in the picture? i tried zooming in on the picture but could not tell, thanks
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I restored this car some years ago, It is a SS L78, sorry I do not have a better picture. The car was sept/oct 69 If I remember correctly.
Mike
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I restored this car some years ago, It is a SS L78, sorry I do not have a better picture. The car was sept/oct 69 If I remember correctly.
Mike
OK, I made a boo boo, that photo is a Z28. The picture is just one I saved for ref. I may have a photo of another. I may have to scan it .
Mike
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do you remember the date of that car, I am trying to determine first if they put any of those stickers on august cars, and second approx what date or vin they may have started doing it with
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No I do not know the date, it is just a photo I captured, have no knowledge of that car.
Here is another. A 69 SS L78, the date on the tag is 9/69. Sorry you can not read it, it is scanned from a photo. I am not sure when in Aug these blue tags started ??
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b107/m22mike/scan0004-2-1.jpg)
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great reference picture mike it's interesting that the date stamp on the decal moved around so much, hope fully we will get some people posting august cars if there really are any ? Jerry MacNeish's book shows 1 car that has it but looks to be a repop sticker, so guess his book and hoopers book are inconsistent.
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Also read this old thread.
http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=5922.0
Mike
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yah the part about the locating lines is relevent, the reference to jerrys book and that car is not. I have heard from multiple sources that that sticker is a repop. There should be one guy on with a original sticker built in august if it ever happened at all. I am somewhat surprised Jerry hasn't chimed in here since he has probably inspected the most 69 camaros. Would that mean he would have to debunk that particular page in his book though? that remains to be seen, but so far no response with an original sticker.
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Please keep the discussion limited to one thread.
Noone can answer your question for sure. But did you see Lynn's post?
The first car to get the sticker was somewhere between VIN 671122 and 671208, both of which are 08A cars.
Lynn Bilodeau
The one VIN didn't have the tag, the other did. So it was in use by 08A.
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Well thats what I am talking about Kurt. The car she is referencing that supposedly has it, IS the car in Jerry's book that has the reproduction sticker. So if you take that car out of the equation, then what are you left with here? This site is referred to as the Camaro Research Group, so what I am suggesting is lets put our heads together and research this and make sure we are coming to the right conclusion about how things were actually done in August 0f 1969. What I don't want to see happen is the CRG re-writing the history of what took place in 69 based on 1 car that has a repop sticker on it. I am sure there are guys who have referenced this book and put this sticker on their august built 69 Camaro , trying to make it look more original, and really they have possibly done just the opposite.
Lets base our information off of original stickers (data) and multiple cars (sample) , to make sure, we are arriving at the right conclusions. (= research)
I felt like I was hijacking this thread talking about the sticker and not the retooling of the door, and that is why I started a new thread asking for the guys with August built 69's to post a picture of there stickers. sorry
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Lynn is a guy. :)
That might be a repro sticker, but I believe that car originally had one before it was restored.
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well let me first say "Sorry Lynn".
Secondly, because it is a mystery with that car and the sticker and if it used to have one, it should be easy enough to find another 69 august built car with it. Chevrolet produced thousands of Camaros in that month. Lets hope somebody can post a picture of an original one so we can base our findings on fact and not speculation of what we think may have been the case.
I have been trying to use different sources, unrestored cars on the internet, such as plain jane camaros that would be less likely to have been restored compared to z/28 or SS cars that are more likely to have had repaints and restorations where this sticker would have gotten replaced.
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Here is a picture of an ORIGINAL sept. car if it helps
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Don't you just love how GM perfactly lined up the decal with the little ridges :) Joe
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I have an August built 1969 Z28 and it has the above vin sticker on the drivers door, my car is an 08E build date.
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Hey "ddmrk" and "restore-z28" thanks for posting those pics.
I have a question for "restore-z28" does your sticker say 9/69 in the corner or 8/69? and I am wondering since your car is an 08E car if it was delivered to the dealer in September possibly? I also couldn't make out the the last 6 of your vin because of the flash,
thanks for contributing
any body else out there with an August built Camaro with the original decal? lets see some more posts please
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It has 9/69 in the corner on the sticker and my vin is 679***. Car was sold new on September 26, 1969 and was told by the original owner it was delivered to the Dealership in mid September (not sure the exact date).
A good friend of mine had an early August built Z28. When he was looking at my car last year, told me he had the same sticker on his door until he repainted the car in the 80's. He also told me nobody really cared about these things back then and often body shops would pull these stickers off to paint the door jamb. I have no reason to doubt him as it was a regular conversation amongst two friends. Not sure if he took a picture but I will ask him.
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that would be helpful if had a picture, to be able to verify with do you happen to have his vin or can you get it?
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I will ask him for a picture and his Vin, he sold the car in the 90's and may or may not have either.
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My 69 R/A IV Trans Am is an 08 E and has the vin sticker on the door.
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So your car was probably delivered in September as well, similar to the brown Z/28 above. Well we are on the right track here I hoe we get more posts I haven't seen any earlier than 08E now.
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Anyone have a door with the ridges but no sticker?
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yah I have the ridges but no sticker(08C), as well as some others on here that i have talked to, I don't know what date they started this perhaps in July sometime?