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Camaro Research Group Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: camaronut on October 31, 2010, 11:45:27 PM
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From the Camaros.net website:
Here is the press release from the Maryland Camaro Club-
Hello Fellow Camaro Enthusiasts:
The Maryland Camaro Club would like to welcome all our fellow Camaro owners to the 13th Annual Camaro Nationals June 23 - 25, 2011.
As you are aware the American Camaro Association has chosen not to put on the Nationals and the M.C.C. (which has been the host club for the last 6 years) was asked by the A.C.A. to put on the Nationals. A.C.A. had a signed yearly exclusive agreement with Carlisle Productions which will not be renewed.
The American Camaro Association will serve as advisors and consultants to the Maryland Camaro Club and will be at the 2011 show.
M.C.C. will be presenting the Camaro Nationals at the Frederick Fairgrounds in Frederick, MD. The host hotel will be the Holiday Inn in Frederick about 4 miles from the show field. Frederick is located off I-70 and Route 15. Frederick is located in a very historic area with many National Historic sites easily within reach. Many Civil War Battlefields including Gettysburg as well as Washington D.C. and Baltimore are nearby. More information will be available in the near future.
Everything will be in place just as it has been the previous twelve years. All 51 classes will still be offered from Non-Judged through Concours classes. All the judges that you have known and seen in the past will be there to judge classes in 2011.
Let me reassure you that the only things that have changed are the club presenting the Camaro Nationals and the location. Nothing else will change, which is the number one goal of the show – to be the same show you have all known, enjoyed and attended over the years.
I’m sure many of you have questions and concerns: feel free to contact Bud Scolastico in the evenings at 610-921-3721 or email Bud at buds396@yahoo.com.
We look forward to seeing everyone in June and having another great show.
Best regards,
April Alderson
President of the Maryland Camaro Club
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This event will continue to have my support and my judges support. Nothing will change in the judging ranks. All will be the same. New location with a fair grounds that will let us run the Camaro Nationals the right way.
It is very unfortunate that Carlisle Productions did not want to work with the ACA. It's their loss. One of the issues that really troubled me was moving the Camaro show field away from Y building. That was a bad move by Carlisle. I expresses my feelings with Carlisle staff stating that it broke up the continuity of our part of the show. Many who attended did not know there were other cars in the Y building. No common sense..........they continued to do things the Carlisle way........the wrong way.
I have told many of my customers and will continue to spread the word...........
Jerry MacNeish
Vice President, Legends Judging
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Jerry, thanks for the info! We were wondering what happened! How is the camping oppertunities at the Frederick fair grounds?
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The camping arrangements are better than Carlisle from what I've been told.
I will post more about this issue when I get home for all of the Camaro sites. I am using a small pocket computer here in Las Vegas. I'm out here for the SEMA show this week and will be home on Saturday night.
Jerry
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Maybe someone should talk to the Maryland Chevelle Club and see if they'll move their Annual Mid-Atlantic Chevelle Show & Swap Meet from North East Regional Park to Frederick too.
It's always the same weekend as the GM show at Carlisle and definitely had an effect on the turnout.....just a thought!
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Maybe someone should talk to the Maryland Chevelle Club and see if they'll move their Annual Mid-Atlantic Chevelle Show & Swap Meet from North East Regional Park to Frederick too.
It's always the same weekend as the GM show at Carlisle and definitely had an effect on the turnout.....just a thought!
If they did that I would definitly go as I have chevelle friends that go to that show every year.That would be a very smart move to have the chevelle contingent there also.
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Ron,
All that happened at Carlisle was Carlisle's fault...........you have no idea of all the issues that they caused behind the scenes. It's not easy doing what had to be done and at 59 years old, it's the last thing that I want to do. But, I will support the ACA and the Camaro Nationals as long as I am healthy to do so. This event needs to be there for all who are serious about restoring these cars correctly........and the good old Camaro enthusiast! All of our staff with be there. These are people you can depend on........and if Carlisle does not want to work with us, then that's the way it will be. We will move on!
Here's a couple of examples for you. Did you know that owners were paid to bring cars in the garage outside the fairgrounds??? People like myself and Larry Christensen own some of the rarest cars known to the hobby. We don't charge anything to bring our cars there. I brought out my 1967 Z28 NHRA National recording holding Z28 for all to see. "THE YENKO EATER." It's the fastest NHRA stock eliminator 302 Z28 in the world......and restored like a show car! I am glad to bring it for all to see. FREE! Larry Christensen has brough THE 1969 Indy pace that paced the race.........does it all for free. But yet others are being paid to bring in cars......and cars that don't rise to the pedigree of what our organization brings to the table. Ken Lucas, Larry Christensen and Bob Harris restore the nicest Camaros in the world.........and they are at the ACA Camaro Nats for all to see. I'm only touching the tip of the iceberg. You have no idea on the issues that go on behind closed doors............
Jerry
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Jerry,As you know im restoring another car,I was looking forward to next year.I guess once I get over the announcement of the move I might change my mind because its the only time I can get away for the summer being I am takeing care of a sick parent (father). Also would like to bring the 67 rsz there.My friends have chevelles and they were considering going to carlisle next year just for a change because they have been going to the maryland show for years and it would be nice to see if the chevelle show can join up with the camaro show.I am sure I will change my mind and go but I am kind of dissapointed about the whole situation.Gee I wish someone would pay me to take my car or cars to a show!! ::)
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Ron,
I know what you're feeling. There is no place better than a Carlisle event. The travel journey there is fun for me. The people, the eating places and on. I have loved it for many years. It's a beautiful part of the country. But with the posturing that Carlisle management has done behind the scenes, and the way that they broke up the show field is just unacceptable. They are quick to forget that ACA and their staff (Maryland Camaro Club included) is what made this event great. Carlisle should have thought about this before all the knit picking took place. They will just not work with people.
I also found that out after talking with R. Marko on the phone. I explained that moving the Camaro field fractures the show and breaks up the continuity of our event. You see how he changed it............he did nothing. And this is just a very small example of the behind the scenes BS.
Jerry
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"Here's a couple of examples for you. Did you know that owners were paid to bring cars in the garage outside the fairgrounds??? People like myself and Larry Christensen own some of the rarest cars known to the hobby. We don't charge anything to bring our cars there. I brought out my 1967 Z28 NHRA National recording holding Z28 for all to see. "THE YENKO EATER." It's the fastest NHRA stock eliminator 302 Z28 in the world......and restored like a show car! I am glad to bring it for all to see. FREE! Larry Christensen has brough THE 1969 Indy pace that paced the race.........does it all for free. But yet others are being paid to bring in cars......and cars that don't rise to the pedigree of what our organization brings to the table. Ken Lucas, Larry Christensen and Bob Harris restore the nicest Camaros in the world.........and they are at the ACA Camaro Nats for all to see. I'm only touching the tip of the iceberg. You have no idea on the issues that go on behind closed doors............
Jerry "
So far I can't find anyone that knows of anyone that was paid to bring their cars to the Solid Lifter Showroom that Supercar Workshop put together. Are facts being distorted because of a beef between parties ? All I have heard is good reviews of that showroom so how is that a bad move by Carlisle Productions ? Tony L has displayed a good portion of the cars in that room and did it on his nickel. Where is his check ? Exactly who got paid ? I don't think they charge to get in so it seems like a nice attraction to me.
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Charley,
I was told by people who work behind the scenes at Carlisle that some cars were being paid to display. I do not doubt my sources. But the bigger picture is this, it's not a game changer issue for moving the event. There were other BIG on-going issues that have been going on long before SLS did their thing.
To me personally, being paid does not bother me. I always am glad to bring cars to the Nats just as you have done in the past with your '67 pace car. I've had the Strickler Z28 car in T building, along with my '67 Z28 survivor. Never expected a nickel. Was glad to do it.
The whole moving thing is very hard for everyone and all in the Camaro hobby. Since Lisa has left Carlisle Productions things in general just became more difficult for all of the staff at ACA. The last thing I want to do is be involved with a change to this event. Especially since we've been doing it at Carlisle since 1999. I looked forward to this event every year and so did the staff at ACA. The Camaro Nats grew from 250-300 cars to an average of 650-700 cars. Our Red, White & Blue concours judging (now called Legends Certification) has been going on now since the early 1990's. We always have more cars than we can judge each year, and have been working in Y building since the show began.
The Frederick Fairgrounds appear to be a better fit for us now and they are more than willing to work with us. We now will have a bigger building than Y building which will make things easier moving the cars around at the event.
Hope to see you there,
Jerry
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I would like whoever made the statement to name one car owner in that building that was paid to bring his car.
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I'm on it!!!
Jerry
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Jerry, thanks for the info! We were wondering what happened! How is the camping oppertunities at the Frederick fair grounds?
We have an area designated for camping. It's a grassy area on the backstretch of the track. We also have permission to have campfires - with two stipulations - 1) As long as we are not in a drought situation where open fires are banned by the fire marshall, and 2) They must be contained in a firepit - such as a raised one on legs fully surrounded by screening. All ashes and embers must be fully extinguished and properly disposed of.
This was not an easy decision by the ACA. This has been their baby for the last 12 years. Karl, Rick and Bud are working with us, lending their experience and knowledge on what it takes to put on a great event. Bud is actively involved with the 2011 show as he is also a member of the MCC.
Please work with us in making this transition. We look forward to a great Camaro Nationals in June!
April Alderson, President
Maryland Camaro Club
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Welcome to CRG April and good information to have/know. Just a question, why was it decided to have the event during the same time period as Carlisle? Many of us believe that is counter-productive for both events.
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Thanks for taking the time to express your thoughts about the GM Nationals. I apologize for the stories and rumors currently circulating the internet regarding the future of the event and Camaros in particular. It appears Jerry has some misinformation and is perpetuating inaccurate information. So please read the following regarding the Camaro Nationals. And truth be told, we have only positive feelings and respect for both the ACA and the MCC for 12 great years in Carlisle. I believe we're all here for the same thing, to enjoy the Camaro and foster and grow the hobby.
As the event manager of the GM Nationals I can share some facts with you. The GM Nationals is actually one of our fastest growing shows and we certainly want that trend to continue. Camaros are a large part of that growth with about 500 registered Camaros in attendance in 2010 (that does not account for the other 100+ that were display only Camaros). As a passionate Camaro owner and enthusiast I probably work a bit harder to make sure Camaro continues to lead the growth at the event.
I was in Vegas attending SEMA, the industry's largest trade show when the ACA made their show plans public. By their own words, they have asked the MCC to present the Camaro Nationals for them in 2011 at a location other than the Carlisle Fairgrounds. They chose to announce on their web site and did not copy me or Carlisle Events. It was first reported to me by industry professionals at SEMA after appearing on various forums.
I was not able to respond sooner due to the time difference and my responsibilities at SEMA. However, after the news broke, I did have the opportunity to chat with a number of industry professionals representing manufacturers, sponsors, electronic media, print magazines and participants associated with the hobby. We have their assurances that they will continue to support our event both in the short and long terms.
Of those I spoke with at SEMA, all think it is unfortunate that the ACA & MCC chose to conduct their inaugural event on the same date as the GM Nationals. Making Camaro enthusiasts choose between two events is never a good thing. Rest assured there will be Camaros at the GM Nationals in 2011 and beyond. However, there will not be a Camaro Nationals presented by the ACA. Even so, we will continue to reach out to ALL Camaro clubs and enthusiasts to reassure ALL GM enthusiasts that the show will go on and be better than ever.
We are currently reviewing the show logistics with the entire Carlisle Events team, as we do every post-season. We are fast preparing Camaro classes for posting on our web site to facilitate registration. Don’t forget about our Gate-N-Go procedures allowing speedy entry to the grounds if pre-registered by the cutoff date. To register for the GM Nationals, or for more info and the most up to date news head to our web site (CarlisleEvents.com).
If you have any thoughts you would like to share, please do so. I will take them into consideration as we continue to plan the 2011 event. I recommend that if you want accurate, current and concise information that you contact me directly using the following resources:
My email (RickM@CarlisleEvents.com)
Office phone (717-243-7855 x124)
GM Nationals Facebook page (http://www.facebook.com/GMNationals).
Thanks & please feel free to contact me at any time with any thoughts and/or concerns.
Rick Markko
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We kept the date the same because folks have already planned to go to the Camaro Nationals the weekend after Father's Day - when the Nationals have been held for the past several years. Since some people have to put in for their vacation time months ahead, it didn't seem feasable to change the date.
Thanks for the welcome! I will post more information as we firm up details.
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Frederick should be a great place for the Camaro Nationals. Everything I've heard about the event sounds like an improvement. I plan to be there.
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We will look forward to seeing you there!
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Carlisle Rick can you please help clarify something for us? You went through the effort to register on this website, suggest these are just false rumours and yet did nothing to clarify any of the allegations. Seem very odd to me that you would go through this much effort just to put a sales spin on people attending your event....There are some very suggestive posts here and other website from very reputable Camaro people, people I myself have done business with and know their word is everything. Maybe take some time and post something worth reading, not just a PR response to the posts. I wish you best of luck with the GM Nationals but I know for my dollar I want to be around other Camaro folks.
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Quote: "restore-z28: Carlisle Rick can you please help clarify something for us? You went through the effort to register on this website, suggest these are just false rumours and yet did nothing to clarify any of the allegations. Seem very odd to me that you would go through this much effort just to put a sales spin on people attending your event....There are some very suggestive posts here and other website from very reputable Camaro people, people I myself have done business with and know their word is everything. Maybe take some time and post something worth reading, not just a PR response to the posts. I wish you best of luck with the GM Nationals but I know for my dollar I want to be around other Camaro folks."
It's not productive to engage in dialogues such as this with nicknames. That is why my screen name identifies me. There are indeed many reputable Camaro folks in this hobby. I have been around this industry since the 80's and know most of the players and their reputations. Some just may not have accurate info and speak without complete knowledge of the facts. I have provided multiple sources in my initial post for those interested in getting accurate information. My personal interest is in the state of the hobby. We all need to stick together to foster growth and keep the hobby strong & healthy. We cannot do that by challenging one another with concficts. We wish ALL clubs the very best with their shows and events.
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Rick, I did not mean to offend you by using your "user name". So what are the facts? I have re-read your initial post and it does nothing but attempt to provide damage control around the Camaro Nationals moving. The rest is just semantics on your part to avoid the true issues of what Jerry has suggested in his posts. I agree with you that we need to ensure the viability of the hobby however, you also strike me as a person who knows the damage social media sites like this could cause and decided to go into damage control. Sorry my degree was in Finance and not English but this is how your posts are resonating with me. I truly wish you all the best at the GM Nationals and hope maybe one day the truth will come out for all to hear.
Sonny
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Sonny, The offense is not in using MY screen name and none taken. That is why mine is very clear. Glad you used your name. Thanks for that and the best wishes for the GM Nationals!
Unfortunately you are correct in that a lot of misinformation gets spread around sites like this, even though that is not what they were intended for. And yes, at times innocent folks get hurt by that misinformation.
It is not my intention to do that or offer any negative comments about anyone and I would hope the folks from the ACA would do the same. Anything less serves no useful purpose to the hobby.
Like I said we had a great 12 years with the ACA. And like I said, I believe it is not in the best interest of the hobby or enthusiasts to have conflicting dates when it can be avoided.
Also unfortunately, these sites were not designed for more than short blurbs or blogs. My intention is to offer a direct connection to me for ANYONE interested in hearing accurate information. Please feel free to call and we can chat. Perhaps with the time and a free exchange of info my statement will be more clear? In the meantime, whatever show or shows you attend, thanks for supporting the hobby! Hope to chat with you soon.
Thanks!
Rick
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For some reason this sentance taken from Rick Markko's opening statement sounds final for the Camaro Nationals at Carlisle.
"Rest assured there will be Camaros at the GM Nationals in 2011 and beyond. However, there will not be a Camaro Nationals presented by the ACA.
If that doesn't sound like, play our way or no way, I don't know what does.
I have to agree that his entire statement was designed for damage control.
As a participant and judge for the past 11 years I fully support this move. There have been some bonehead moves at Carlisle the past few years that just didn't make sense and if this is what it takes to make it a true "Camaro Nationals" so be it. Let's not forget it was the Camaro's @ Carlisle show that started it all and the GM Nationals came years later.
Maybe Carlisle can use the unused third of the showfield as on site parking. ;D
Rick H.
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However, there will not be a Camaro Nationals presented by the ACA. "If that doesn't sound like, play our way or no way, I don't know what does."
I didn't read it that way at all. They said they were going elsewhere and he agreed that they wouldnt be at Carlisle. Is the big bitch from the Camaro Club that they were being parked away from the building where the indoor judging is ? I think I was told that that area is for vendors just like at other Carlisle shows. Is that correct ?
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For some reason this sentence taken from Rick Markko's opening statement sounds final for the Camaro Nationals at Carlisle.
"Rest assured there will be Camaros at the GM Nationals in 2011 and beyond. However, there will not be a Camaro Nationals presented by the ACA.
If that doesn't sound like, play our way or no way, I don't know what does.
I have to agree that his entire statement was designed for damage control.
As a participant and judge for the past 11 years I fully support this move. There have been some bonehead moves at Carlisle the past few years that just didn't make sense and if this is what it takes to make it a true "Camaro Nationals" so be it. Let's not forget it was the Camaro's @ Carlisle show that started it all and the GM Nationals came years later.
Maybe Carlisle can use the unused third of the showfield as on site parking. ;D
Rick H.
Damage control??? As Charley stated and I agree I do not see it that way. Not taking a side but early on Carlisle was being used as the bad guy with information that to this date has not been substantiated. The best thing for any of us to receive are facts. Carlisle has built many great events over the years (we miss you Chip) and I'm sure mistakes were made but there are "always two sides to a story and seldom are the unsolved issues/problems all with one side." It's unfortunate that many of the camaro clan including potential vendors and others will be having to make a choice due to the date scheduling. Reminds me how nicely Carlisle and Hershey events coincede as many patrons and vendors participate in both. Here's wishing each of the great organizations with rich history continued success.
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Charley is correct, my statement was required because the ACA decided to move their event and there were inquiries from Camaro enthusiasts regarding that fact and if there were going to be Camaro classes at the GM Nationals. It was simply the same message as the ACA/MCC statement. To let those Camaro enthusiasts know what is happening at our event and how to get more info. That is, the GM Nationals will include Camaro classes. Nothing more, nothing less. There really is no reason for anyone to make disparaging remarks about either organization. In reality we are different organizations presenting a car show on the same date. It is the choice of the enthusiasts of which to attend, based upon the amenities offered at each that appeals to them. I remain available and easy to reach for those that may have more comments or questions at the following sources:
Email: RickM@yahoo.com
Office: 717-422-5445
Thanks!
Rick
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Don't get me wrong, I throughly enjoyed going to Carlisle every year but I go where the Camaro's go.
"Is the big bitch from the Camaro Club that they were being parked away from the building where the indoor judging is ? I think I was told that that area is for vendors just like at other Carlisle shows. Is that correct ?"
Why would you put parts vendors where the high level Camaro judging is being conducted? Does that sound logical to you?
There obviously is alot more but the decision has been made. We'll just have to see how this plays out for both parties.
Rick H.
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"Is the big bitch from the Camaro Club that they were being parked away from the building where the indoor judging is ? I think I was told that that area is for vendors just like at other Carlisle shows. Is that correct ?"
Why would you put parts vendors where the high level Camaro judging is being conducted? Does that sound logical to you?
There obviously is alot more but the decision has been made. We'll just have to see how this plays out for both parties.
Rick H.
Camaros were moved to the BIGGER field (west field, just inside Gate 3) to accommodate the growth! The east field was too small to park ALL Camaros.
Show classes & Manufacturers Midway are on the north side of Bldg. Y with Bldg. T to the south.
Feel free to call or email if you need more info.
Thanks!
Rick
Rick
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I go to other Carlisle events and they refer to the area in question (original camaro show field) as "the manufacturers midway. All the other Carlisle events use this area for the large manufacturer/vendors because it is the only field with electric and water available and they require it. The move was also due to space requirements.
I would also like to note the tone of all the post by the ACA, MCC and Carlisle have been very professional. To me the change in venue is unfortunate but the decision has been made and it time to move on and stop pointing fingers.
A big thanks is in order for both Karl Scheffy, Rick Gawel for forming the ACA- Camaro Nationals after the demise of the ICC /show. I don't want to forget Bud Scolastico for keeping the judging programs on track and for his tireless energy.
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Big surprise to me. Some things are clear, others fuzzy. I have really enjoyed the ACA component of the GM Nationals and all the people who have worked so hard to bring us the Camaro Nationals.
I have a hotel booked at Carlisle that weekend, and was not aware of the change. The only contact I have had is from the Carlisle Fairground. I am not sure that the change has been well promoted as this post is buried in November posts here, and at TC, as well as NastyZ. I have posted at all three to bring them to the top so that other members can be aware.
Gary
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Gary,
Many have done what they could to let the world know that the event was moving. All of the personnel with ACA, judging staff, workers, etc are moving too. Not sure what Carlisle will be doing as I suspect they will post their own spin on this year's event. I also know that all who have attended the Camaro Nats in the past were mailed a flyer on the move and new show location.
I want to make sure that everyone knows ALL staff members who were connected with the Camaro Nationals at Carlisle will be at the Frederick Fair Grounds.
Thanks,
Jerry
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Once again inaccurate information is posted. Please be sure of the facts before posting to insure other enthusiasts are not mislead.
Here's a few facts:
1) Rick has stated that the ACA, and he and Karl, are NOT involved in the planning of the MD show.
2) Steve Shauger will continue and expand his Vintage Program at Carlisle.
3) SLP and other manufactures will be attending Carlisle.
4) The GM Nationals will present a complete event with much to see and do, including a full compliment of Camaro classes judged by our professional judges.
If anyone would like straight facts without Carlisle adding a "spin" please feel free to contact me at one of my contacts below.
RickM@CarlisleEvents.com
717-243-7855 x124
Thanks everyone for staying involved and being concerned about our hobby and favorite car, the Camaro!
Rick
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Gary & all Camaro enthusiasts,
Once again, I will address the most accurate information about the 2011 Camaro Nationals to be held at the Frederick Fairgrounds, June 24 & 25, 2011.
The Camaro Nationals has moved this event to the Frederick Fairgrounds in Frederick, MD. Contrary to what was posted by Rick after my last reply, Karl Sheffy and Rick Gawl have been deeply involved with the American Camaro Association Camaro Nationals in conjunction with the Maryland Camaro Club. As a matter of fact, Rick and Karl will be attending this event on both days, Friday and Saturday to work the show and sign up new members for ACA. Rick and Karl will be judging cars along with the many ACA judging teams who have been a part of this event for the last 12 years. The Maryland Camaro Club has been the “host” club for the Camaro Nationals at Carlisle for several years now. In the past, this club has been a very important part of producing this show and making it happen. I personally have been a member in good standing with the Maryland Camaro Club now for over 22 years.
Bob Harris of Camaro Specialties who was involved with the Vintage judging at Carlisle will also be a part of the 5000 point Concours “Legends” Team and new “Legends Vintage” Certification. All of the past “Legend” concours judges including myself, Larry Christensen, Brad McAdam, and Troy Criscillis will be providing the same expert concours judging as we have done for many years.
Bud Scolastico will continue to run all Bow Tie 1000 point judging with his expert team of Camaro judges. Jeff Betz will also continue to run the 2nd generation concours judging team.
Other classes include Competition, Pro Street, Custom, Touring, Modified, Mild Modified, Vintage Street Stock, Heartbeat classes and many more.
Over 1300 flyers have been mailed out to all past show participants. You should have received a flyer in the mail. If not, there will be more promotion for the show and move to the Frederick Fairgrounds.
I should also mention that we will now have larger indoor facilities for all concours and Bow Tie cars who attend the event in Frederick. The indoor judging building will not be separated from the rest of the Camaro show field as it was during the last two years at Carlisle. There were communication and judging issues in 2009 and 2010 separating the Camaro show field from Y building where the concours judging took place. That will not be problem this year. In 2009, there were complaints from participants at the show stating that many did not know there was concours judging going on in Y building due to the fact that Y building was a quarter mile away from the main part of the Camaro show field and registration.
Other companies attending and supporting the Camaro Nationals at the Frederick Fair Grounds are: Tom Henry Chevrolet, Camaro Crazy, Camaro Hi-Performance, Rick’s All Generation Camaros, Classic Headquarters, The American Camaro Association, The Win Kelly GM Super Store, Daytona Trophy, Camaro Specialties and many more.
As always, this event will offer the most competent and knowledgeable Camaro judging in the country by the most well known Camaro professionals in the business. All judges are at everyone’s disposal for tech and restoration questions.
Myself, Bud Scolastico, April Anderson and Joe Sporney are available for any questions regarding this event.
If you have enjoyed the Camaro Nationals as it was during the past 12 years at the Carlisle Fair Grounds, then all enthusiasts should be a part of the Camaro Nationals in 2011 at the Frederick Fair Grounds. Nothing has changed except the location. As everyone knows, the Camaro Nationals has consistently been the biggest part of the GM Nationals bringing in over 600 cars during the past few years. Myself and the staff at ACA and Maryland Camaro Club plan to keep this trend intact for many years to come.
Thanks for your time.
Jerry MacNeish Camaro Hi-Performance, 410-781-0418
Bud Scolastico, Bow Tie Judging, 610-921-3721
April Anderson, 410-552-1968
Joe Sporney, 410-675-7597
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Big time sucks that they are on the same weekend :'(
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Gary,
The reason the weekend was not changed was because many who attend every year or work the event block that weekend for vacation. Next year's event will be open to suggestions.
Jerry
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What does PACEMEs GM Nationals @ Carlisle VINTAGE CERTIFICATION have to do with the Camaro Nationals ?
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And per Steve's request, I moved it to it's own thread. ;)
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Looks like most of the "emotional" comments have been made and those that prefer, have spoken their piece. So, I'll state mine.
Most of you know I'm from Carlisle Events, and the proud owner of a 1970 Z/28. Some will attempt to discredit my statements and accuse me of prejudice, some of which will be valid as I believe we put on a mighty fine event. So, with all that in mind, my response is short and to the point. We welcome ALL Camaro enthusiasts as well as other GM enthusiasts to the GM Nationals to enjoy a larger and much more complete event. Camaro classes are included and judged by professional and expert judges. And, as has been mentioned before, Steve Shauger will continue to conduct and expand his Vintage Certification program at Carlisle.
And to clear up a misconception, Building Y is NOT a quarter of a mile from the Camaro showfield. In fact, Gate 3 is NOT even a quarter of a mile away. Any communication problems would have been the issue with the responsible parties involved. No one else had any problems. The judging in Building Y was communicated via our public address system as well signage at various locations around the fairgrounds. Not to mention the ACA registration tent was aware of and promoting the judging in Building Y.
The MD show has a short list of manufacturers compared to those at Carlisle. Yes, Tom Henry Racing will be at both locations. However, unfortunately for Tom and enthusiasts he has to separate some of his display of cars in order to try and not to miss any Camaro enthusiasts.
Finally, one more fact, and then I will not respond to any more posts, which I'm sure will make some people happy, (Here come the jibes.) the GM Nationals in 2010 had approximately 1400 registered GM vehicles. Approximately 462 were Camaros. You do the numbers...
Best wishes to the MCC for a good show. And best wishes to Carlisle Events as well! I think that's fair. If you can attend both shows, please do. Then select the show you prefer in 2012. We enjoyed the partnership and will always have a soft spot for the Camaro Nationals, and prefer they were to remain at the Carlsile Fairgrounds. We have no hard feelings or ill will to anyone at the ACA or the MCC! Everyone must do what they feel is best!
Have a great day and a great summer cruising season! Hope to see you at an event in Carlisle!
Rick