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Camaro Research Group Discussion => Originality => Topic started by: jeff68 on October 07, 2010, 05:20:32 PM
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What are the correct trunk lid rubber bumpers for a 68 Camaro? I have pictures of my original trunk lid from when my car was taken apart, and it appears to show bumpers that are about the same size as the current reproductions. However, it is my understanding that part number 4721222 is the correct rubber bumper, which is a fairly small diameter with a domed head.
Check out this e-bay auction for a pic of the 4721222 bumpers:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NOS-67-68-69-CAMARO-TRUNK-LID-BUMPERS-Z-28-L78-COPO-L89-/130440403994?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item1e5eda9c1a
Now, what's strange is that these genuine GM bumpers are still available through vintageparts.com for about $20 for a pack of 5. Why did the last set sell for over $180 on e-bay??
Anyhow, I was able to pick up a few sets of NOS 4721222 bumpers from HBC for fairly cheap. I was just wondering if these are indeed correct for my 68 or should I use the larger diameter reproductions?
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i will have to look through my parts, but i believe the number is the same, but the bumpers are a newer design and thicker.
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i will have to look through my parts, but i believe the number is the same, but the bumpers are a newer design and thicker.
The part # did stay the same but there are differences compared to the ebay site Jeff noted. By the way, they are up to a $100 with an hour and half to go. I have some GM bagged 4721222's which were purchased in the mid to late 80's and they must have made a e/c (eng. change) as again they are different. But the individual bagged 4721222's are still about 20-25% thinner than some other non bagged ones I believe were purchased in bulk from GM in the 90's. Never bought any repro's so do not have anything to compare to.
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The ones Vintage Parts has are correct. I bought them and they work perfectly. The ones in the ebay auction are too thick.
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Wow...$124.50 for correct trunk bumpers, but this is the kind of detail needed if you are restoring a desirable numbers matching car, and striving for near perfect 1000 point car. Attached is a picture of these same bumpers I took on a friend's survivor '69 Pace Car located in my area.
The repro bumpers are too thick as mentioned in this thread, and this seller also shows on the eBay ad.
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Not too sure I would say correct as it might depend on what year you have. Example, friend of mine has a 68 Z/28 survivor that has been off the road since 1974 and other than a few things like the smog off, etc. it is as it came from the factory. This is the bumper that is on his deck lid.
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z117/1-2-b-67L89/68%20Camaro%20Z28/100_4922.jpg)
I have rubber bumpers purchased in what I believe was the mid to late 80's and each one is individually bagged. They have the part # embossed and one of those matches exactly to the diameter and thickness of what is on the 68 survivor. We can even feel what seems to be the remnants of a part #. This is that bumper:
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z117/1-2-b-67L89/68%20Camaro%20Z28/100_4940.jpg)
Now a picture of the individual bagged GM bumper compared to I believe bulk ones I purchased in the in the 90's. Much thicker and bottom shape different.
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z117/1-2-b-67L89/68%20Camaro%20Z28/100_4942.jpg)
Now add in what was advertised on ebay as correct and having two friends who have 69 Camaros with the smaller ebay type bumper and the picture becomes cloudy. The one on ebay compared to the other two is a smaller diameter, and thinner yet.
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z117/1-2-b-67L89/68%20Camaro%20Z28/100_4944.jpg)
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Not too sure I would say correct as it might depend on what year you have. Example, friend of mine has a 68 Z/28 survivor that has been off the road since 1974 and other than a few things like the smog off, etc. it is as it came from the factory. This is the bumper that is on his deck lid.
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z117/1-2-b-67L89/68%20Camaro%20Z28/100_4922.jpg)
I have rubber bumpers purchased in what I believe was the mid to late 80's and each one is individually bagged. They have the part # embossed and one of those matches exactly to the diameter and thickness of what is on the 68 survivor. We can even feel what seems to be the remnants of a part #. This is that bumper:
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z117/1-2-b-67L89/68%20Camaro%20Z28/100_4940.jpg)
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I believe you have the correct bumpers, the one that Vintage Parts now sells. They look like the old crusty ones I took off.
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I believe you have the correct bumpers, the one that Vintage Parts now sells. They look like the old crusty ones I took off.
Got a link to Vintage parts?
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When I purchased my 69 some time ago the bumpers were missing. I installed the type in the center and the trunk would not latch,too thick. Did not know the small domed type existed until now.
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Vintage Parts = www.vpartsinc.com
Interesting information from everyone. So it looks like the 69 trunk bumpers are usually the small domed ones while my 68 would take the larger diameter slightly thicker ones.
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Would the 67 and 68 be the same? I cannot research the number as my 69 P&A only goes to 9.990, the rest is missing.
Bob
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I believe you have the correct bumpers, the one that Vintage Parts now sells. They look like the old crusty ones I took off.
Gary - Sent you a PM about getting the bumpers from Vintage Parts. You can post the reply here if you want, as others may be interested in how the bumpers are packaged.
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Vintage parts shows they have 299 of the 4721222 but picture. No telling which version they have.
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No telling which version they have.
I believe that GaryL is telling us what version they have (assuming that he recently purchased them from Vintage Parts).
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Would the 67 and 68 be the same? I cannot research the number as my 69 P&A only goes to 9.990, the rest is missing.
Bob
According to April 1970 PnA, 4721222 is applicable to 67 - 69 Camaro [also chevy, chevelle and passenger ex. st. wagons]
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Rob,
Thanks for the reply. I think the 67-68 bumpers are the same as the trunk and tail pan are the same, but there could have been a part number change.
Does anyone have a 67 or 68 P&A that could verify if the 4721222 part number is correct for 67.
Bob
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Rob,
Thanks for the reply. I think the 67-68 bumpers are the same as the trunk and tail pan are the same, but there could have been a part number change.
Does anyone have a 67 or 68 P&A that could verify if the 4721222 part number is correct for 67.
Bob
My '69 P&A (effective 10-1-68) lists the 4721222 luggage lid bumper as correct for all first generation Camaros ('67-'69).
Paul
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Wow...$124.50 for correct trunk bumpers, but this is the kind of detail needed if you are restoring a desirable numbers matching car, and striving for near perfect 1000 point car.
My P&A shows a price of 5 cents each back in '69! :)
Paul
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Well, I just purchased some from Vintage Parts. They didn't know if the $20.15 price listed for 4721222 was for a package quantity (I believe 5) or each. I ordered 2, so I may get 2 bumpers or 10 bumpers. We'll see.
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My '69 P&A (effective 10-1-68) lists the 4721222 luggage lid bumper as correct for all first generation Camaros ('67-'69).
Paul
Looking for an effective date of 10-1-67 or earlier.
Thanks Paul.
Bob
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That would be my guess that the 67 and 68 were the same and for whatever it seems that a lot of 69's had the smaller version. Was hoping one of our experts would chime in from past experience. And as Bob mentioned the 4721222 parts book shows for all three years but there are differences. The fat one I pictured to the right I'm sure is a GM supplied bumper but it is a totally different shape except for the diameter.
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My unmolested original '69 has the small domed bumper shown in the photo in reply #4.
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I have seen both style bumpers on unrestored cars. This is not something I have looked at too closely, but will as the Vintage Certification Team. I just looked at three 69 examples, my 9B of 68 has the large bumpers, my 4C and 9A of 69 have the small rounded bumpers. Possibly it is build date related or just a supplier variation. I will be looking at my other cars and report back. We will be cerifying several unrestored/survivor cars at the Muscle Car and Corvette Nationals in Chicago November20&21. One of our participants is a 68 Camaro SS L78 with 11K miles that is virtually untouched, another a LS6 Chevelle with just 4K miles and several others. Come join us at the show, the website is mcacn.com or email me at vintagecert@optimum.net
Steve
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Well, I just purchased some from Vintage Parts. They didn't know if the $20.15 price listed for 4721222 was for a package quantity (I believe 5) or each. I ordered 2, so I may get 2 bumpers or 10 bumpers. We'll see.
It was a package of 5 when I bought them. I used 2, sold 2 and have 1 left.
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Gary-
When did you buy them?
VP just contacted me and said that it was $20.15 EACH :o , although they are on the shelf in bags of 5. I tried to explain to them if they are in bags of 5 from GM then that is how they are sold. They claim to have contacted GM to verify that they are sold individually. I think someone doesn't have their story straight. It seems like GM took a bunch of bulk bumpers and packaged them in bags of 5 for $20.15/bag to sell them off.
I'm still not 100% sure how many I will be getting, but it will be at least 2.
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I bought mine about 4 years ago.
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In case anyone is interested, I received my order from Vintage Parts today. I ordered 2 x 4721222 and received 2 bumpers. $20.15 each. Ouch.
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In case anyone is interested, I received my order from Vintage Parts today. I ordered 2 x 4721222 and received 2 bumpers. $20.15 each. Ouch.
Jeff,
Are they the correct when compared to your original bumpers?
Paul
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Which style are they?
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Yes, they are correct compared to my original trunk bumpers.
They are the ones with "4721222" molded into them. Same as the picture that Chick posted earlier:
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z117/1-2-b-67L89/68%20Camaro%20Z28/100_4940.jpg)
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My unmolested original '69 has the small domed bumper shown in the photo in reply #4.
John, Which of these would you choose for a '69 or are there other sources?
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My unmolested original '69 has the small domed bumper shown in the photo in reply #4.
John, Which of these would you choose for a '69 or are there other sources?
Based on mine, I'd choose the small domed bumper.
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Thanks
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The ones Vintage Parts has are correct. I bought them and they work perfectly. The ones in the ebay auction are too thick.
do you have their website link? or phone number?
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^^See post #10 above.
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I found 2 interesting auctions on e-Bay for trunk lid bumpers:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NOS-Trunk-Lid-Bumpers-69-Camaro-SS-RS-Z28-396-350-L78-/260702732085?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3cb317ff35
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NOS-Trunk-Lid-Bumpers-67-68-69-Camaro-SS-RS-Z28-396-350-/260702735822?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3cb3180dce
These 2 auctions should be interesting, because:
1) The 'domed' type bumpers for 69 are readily available from Heartbeat City for about $4 each and look exactly like the ones pictured the auction. Check them out:
http://www.heartbeatcity.com/store/product/19497/Camaro-Trunk-bumpers--correct--pair--67-68-69/
2) The 67-68 type bumpers are available from Vintage Parts for $20.15 each.
I guess it's buyer beware.
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Vintage Parts = www.vpartsinc.com
Interesting information from everyone. So it looks like the 69 trunk bumpers are usually the small domed ones while my 68 would take the larger diameter slightly thicker ones.
My 69 came with the 4721222 like the one in the center of the pic above with that part number on it. They were not the domed ones.
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I've found one of these bumpers. Does anyone know where we can buy these now?
Thanks!
Yes, they are correct compared to my original trunk bumpers.
They are the ones with "4721222" molded into them. Same as the picture that Chick posted earlier:
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z117/1-2-b-67L89/68%20Camaro%20Z28/100_4940.jpg)
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Ebay. For stupid money.
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X2 Steve!
What you might want to do is place a wanted ad on Team Camaro for the bumper.
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I never realized I had purchased these from Year One in 1995 (if I read that right). 2 individually wrapped in plastic GM 34721222 bumpers.
Mine are the thin type and with embossed part numbers as the others posted here with one exception; It has 517 on them also.
This is the only pics I will post as I do not wish to remove them fron the package at this time. These are NOT for sale also. Posted for reference.
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These arn't bad, work great
Mike
http://www.heartbeatcitycamaro.com/store/product/19497/1967-1968-1969-Camaro-%26-Firebird-Trunk-Lid-Rubber-Bumpers-Pair-Assembly-Line-Correct/
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These arn't bad, work great
Mike
http://www.heartbeatcitycamaro.com/store/product/19497/1967-1968-1969-Camaro-%26-Firebird-Trunk-Lid-Rubber-Bumpers-Pair-Assembly-Line-Correct/
Hi Mike! See you at MCACN! Agree these are a nice & what they looked like in 69 model Camaro's.
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Chick
We will be there. Should have stated for 1969 .
Mike