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Camaro Research Group Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Hot Rod Todd on February 10, 2009, 05:00:40 AM

Title: Look one of the cowl tags must have found a new home!
Post by: Hot Rod Todd on February 10, 2009, 05:00:40 AM: The VIN has 12337 and the cowl tag has 12437 and looks like it is not attached. Not good.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevrolet-Camaro-coupe-1969-Chevrolet-Camaro-Yenko-SS-RS-Z-28-69-68-67-PROJECT_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6161QQihZ019QQitemZ290294447820QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevrolet-Camaro-coupe-1969-Chevrolet-Camaro-Yenko-SS-RS-Z-28-69-68-67-PROJECT_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6161QQihZ019QQitemZ290294447820QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW)
Title: Re: Look one of the cowl tags must have found a new home!
Post by: tom on February 10, 2009, 01:28:02 PM: I don't like the tag either. Also he advertises it as an original v8 car in the listing, but later in the description admits it was a 6.
Title: Re: Look one of the cowl tags must have found a new home!
Post by: bertfam on February 10, 2009, 03:03:13 PM: The VIN and the Trim Tag have no correlation to each other with regards to engine size. Read THIS (http://www.camaros.org/numbers.shtml#VINvsStyle) for more info.

Ed
Title: Re: Look one of the cowl tags must have found a new home!
Post by: tom on February 10, 2009, 04:33:54 PM: Understood vin and trim tag are seperate issues.
It is the VIN that indicates a 6 cyl. The ad says it is an 8 cyl automatic with no drivetrain. Seller admits it was a 6 cyl near the end of ad, but above that still states "this is an original V8 automatic", and the features list include states V8 automatic.

Trim tag does not look good to me.

Is this vin in the database? (123379L524501)
Title: Re: Look one of the cowl tags must have found a new home!
Post by: Mark on February 10, 2009, 05:16:47 PM: Trim tags fine, the W/O number fits right in between a couple of others I have as does the VIN.
Title: Re: Look one of the cowl tags must have found a new home!
Post by: westonz28 on February 10, 2009, 06:59:14 PM: Two tone Camaro, Wish it was closer as I would like to own one of the two tone cars. Azure Turquoise lower Dover White upper. This will be a very cool car when done.
Title: Re: Look one of the cowl tags must have found a new home!
Post by: Hot Rod Todd on February 10, 2009, 08:39:55 PM: Either the VIN is switched or the trim tag is switched. The VIN has 12337 and the cowl tag has 12437. Even though the VIN and body number do not have any relationship they cannot contradict one another. One being a 6 cyl and the other indicating a V8. Something's awry.

Quote from: Mark on February 10, 2009, 05:16:47 PM
Trim tags fine, the W/O number fits right in between a couple of others I have as does the VIN.
Title: Re: Look one of the cowl tags must have found a new home!
Post by: Hot Rod Todd on February 10, 2009, 08:44:06 PM: Isn't that right? These could not be from the same car. See the pics.
Title: Re: Look one of the cowl tags must have found a new home!
Post by: tom on February 10, 2009, 08:53:40 PM: Per: http://www.camaros.org/numbers.shtml#c

In 1968-69 the third digit was fixed at "4" for all models and had no meaning. While the Fisher style code is often confused with the first five digits of the VIN, the two sets of codes are different because of the different meaning of the third digit.
Title: Re: Look one of the cowl tags must have found a new home!
Post by: bertfam on February 10, 2009, 09:39:40 PM: Quote
Either the VIN is switched or the trim tag is switched. The VIN has 12337 and the cowl tag has 12437. Even though the VIN and body number do not have any relationship they cannot contradict one another. One being a 6 cyl and the other indicating a V8. Something's awry.

You didn't read the information in my link!

Here it is for you:

Quote
12337 VIN vs 12437 Cowl Tag Code
Though it looks very similar to the first five digits of the VIN, the body style code on the Fisher Body cowl tag did not have the same meaning. Fisher Body didn't need the type of engine coded on the cowl tag, and so stamped the 3rd digit of the Fisher style code with a different meaning than the 3rd digit of the VIN.
The 3rd digit of the VIN identifies which engine (L6 or V8) the car had from the factory. A VIN engine digit of 3 indicates a L6 engine, while a VIN engine digit of 4 indicates a V8 engine.

The cowl tags for 1967 Camaros were stamped with a style code of 12x37 or 12x67, where the x was set to 4 for standard interior or 6 for custom interior. All 1968-69 Camaros (L6 or V8) had a style code of 12437 or 12467 on the cowl tag - the 3rd digit of the firewall style number for these two years was fixed to 4 and effectively had no meaning.

Ed
Title: Re: Look one of the cowl tags must have found a new home!
Post by: Hot Rod Todd on February 10, 2009, 09:53:21 PM: Thanks Ed for clearing that up. Sorry I missed your earlier link.
Title: Re: Look one of the cowl tags must have found a new home!
Post by: sdkar on February 11, 2009, 08:48:52 PM: So what does the M201 mean. Two tone? Does two tone mean it was azure blue with a white vinyl top? Or is it something different?
Title: Re: Look one of the cowl tags must have found a new home!
Post by: 1968RSZ28 on February 11, 2009, 10:14:37 PM: Quote from: sdkar on February 11, 2009, 08:48:52 PM
So what does the M201 mean. Two tone? Does two tone mean it was azure blue with a white vinyl top? Or is it something different?

Steve -

Read this... http://www.camaros.org/numbers.shtml#CowlTag

Paul
Title: Re: Look one of the cowl tags must have found a new home!
Post by: sd1968z28 on February 11, 2009, 11:05:26 PM: so what its still a 6cylinder not a v-8 according to the vin number.
Title: Re: Look one of the cowl tags must have found a new home!
Post by: KurtS on February 13, 2009, 09:52:15 PM: He bought the car about 4 years ago off of ebay. Those are the original tags....

Steve, it was a white painted top.