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Title: 69 owners with "Pebble-grained" steering wheels (not shrouds) please check in
Post by: bertfam on April 16, 2008, 03:14:59 PM
Okay boys and girls, the steering wheel report is coming along fine, but we've run into a snag and need your help.

According to a note in the September, 1968 P&A X691A (see attached), all 69 Camaro SS, RS, Z23, Z87 (see note 1 below) and N30 (see note 2 below) cars received a "Deluxe Wheel". All other cars received the "Standard Wheel". The problem is that the note doesn't seem to follow actual observed usages!

It's believed that the "Deluxe" wheel is the steering wheel with the "pebble-graining" between the two grooves cut into the perimeter of the wheel (see example below). "Standard" wheels (and later service replacements) were smooth in this area.

So, if you own an original 1969 Camaro, we would appreciate the following information:

1. Type of car (base, RS, SS, Z28, COPO, etc...)
2. VIN of the car
3. Build date on the Trim Tag (12A, 03B, 05D, etc...)
4. Interior code on the Trim Tag (712, 718, 722, etc...)
5. If the car has the "standard Interior", does it have the Z23 option
6. Type of steering wheel (Standard "smooth" or Deluxe "pebble-grained") NOTE: The original "pebble-graining" wore off fairly quickly, so a VERY close inspection of the wheel may be required.

Note 1 - Although the note doesn't specifically reference the Z87 Custom Deluxe interior, the Z23 Interior Style Trim Group (referred to in the note as the Interior Decor Package), was included in the Z87 option, therefore the Deluxe wheel would also be used in Z87 cars.

Note 2 - The N30 "Deluxe Steering Wheel" never made it into production for the 1969 model year, so the note may not be completely accurate.

If you want to contact me off fourm or have any questions, please feel free to email me at bertfam@verizon.net

Thanks in advance...
Ed

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Post by: crobjones2 on April 16, 2008, 03:25:17 PM
ED
69 SS 350
124379n657283
06A
712
Deluxe interior with the Pebbled Wheel

Does anybody make repros of these wheels? mine is split
Chris
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Post by: bertfam on April 16, 2008, 04:39:14 PM
Thanks Chris. No, as far as I know, the pebble-grained wheel isn't being reproduced as of yet. Give them some time and it probably will be. (Although it'll probably be wrong!!)

Ed
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Post by: tom on April 16, 2008, 06:18:46 PM
Ed, I have the pebble grain wheel, and yes it is bad shape.
Vin: 124379N601591
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Post by: bertfam on April 16, 2008, 06:35:30 PM
Tom, do you have the Z23 option? Also, is it a base car, SS-350 or COPO?

Ed
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Post by: tom on April 16, 2008, 10:44:02 PM
It's a base 307 glide. Appears to have "style trim" driver side woodgrain on dash, fender louvers, door edge trim, bright pedal trim etc.
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Post by: bertfam on April 16, 2008, 10:56:48 PM
Tom, I'm assuming then that your car also has the woodgrain accent on the steering wheel?

Ed
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Post by: tom on April 17, 2008, 11:36:16 AM
ED, Yes it does. 
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Post by: blackss69 on April 17, 2008, 09:27:47 PM
I'm original owner of a black 69 SS that has the pebble grain steering wheel.  It is a 02D car with black standard interior (10 - 10).
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Post by: RamAirDave on April 18, 2008, 12:17:06 AM
07A with 712 Interior, pebble grain wheel rim.
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Post by: blackss69 on April 18, 2008, 01:17:06 AM
I'm original owner of a black 69 SS that has the pebble grain steering wheel.  It is a 02D car with black standard interior 711.
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Post by: bertfam on April 18, 2008, 01:44:14 AM
Thanks guys. Keep 'em coming!!

So far it appears the note is correct.

Ed
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Post by: KurtS on April 18, 2008, 03:49:41 AM
Tom and John,
Do your cars have the passenger side dash handle? That's the key indicator of having Z23 - special interior.
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Post by: tom on April 18, 2008, 11:51:37 AM
Kurt,

Yes I have the passenger handle.

Tom
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Post by: tom on April 18, 2008, 11:59:37 AM
I thought the X11 was proof of the style trim package in a base model.

Tom
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Post by: JohnZ on April 18, 2008, 02:51:46 PM
I thought the X11 was proof of the style trim package in a base model.

Tom

Style Trim was an exterior-only package; had nothing to do with the interior.
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Post by: tom on April 18, 2008, 03:11:31 PM
John,

Thnaks, I continue to learn. Looks like i HAVE THE Z23 as well. The deluxe steering wheel with wood insert, wood trim - only on the drivers side of the dash, stainless trim on the pedals, and the grab handle on the passenger side. Should I be looking for anything else?

Tom
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Post by: rich69rs on April 18, 2008, 11:43:12 PM
O1C Norwood built Z22 RS
Final assembly around 20 January 1969
Z87 Custom Interior (Cowl Tag TR 716)
Deluxe Seat Belts. 
VIN is 19N581767

My RS has RPO N34 Sport-styled steering wheel, with center horn button and simulated rosewood grained plastic rim.
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Post by: JohnZ on April 19, 2008, 04:05:57 PM
John,

Thnaks, I continue to learn. Looks like i HAVE THE Z23 as well. The deluxe steering wheel with wood insert, wood trim - only on the drivers side of the dash, stainless trim on the pedals, and the grab handle on the passenger side. Should I be looking for anything else?

Tom

Nope - that covers the Z23 content.
Title: Re: 69 owners with "Pebble-grained" steering wheels (not shrouds) please check in
Post by: KurtS on April 20, 2008, 02:48:44 AM
Z23 & Z87 info:
http://www.camaros.org/options.shtml#CustomSpecialInterior
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Post by: firstgenaddict on April 20, 2008, 11:04:37 PM
The black 69 RS/Z was purchased with the pebble grain wheel on it, I just checked it earlier today.
04C X33 711   10 10  VIN633599.
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Post by: KurtS on April 20, 2008, 11:55:42 PM
James,
And that car does not have Z23 (dash grab handle), right?
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Post by: red69 on April 21, 2008, 12:33:41 AM
Z-28
L513540
12C
TR 712
Z23
Pebble grain on wheel
     
Title: Re: 69 owners with "Pebble-grained" steering wheels (not shrouds) please check in
Post by: bertfam on April 21, 2008, 01:52:27 AM
It's starting to look like the note in the P&A is correct, but so far we haven't heard from anyone with a smooth wheel.

Non-SS, non-RS, non-Z87 and non-Z23 cars "should" be smooth. Anyone out there with a base car without Z22, Z23 or Z87? (I would assume base Z28 and COPO cars would also fit this catagory). We need your input as well.

Ed
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Post by: paceme on April 21, 2008, 02:19:47 AM
The pebble grain wheel was the standard wheel used on all models. The wood grain shroud as been stated was used when the car was optioned with Z87 or Z23. I have looked at hundreds of original cars and they all came with pebble grain rims. Some were worn almost smooth due to wear, but there were remnants of pebble grain. The smooth rim started in 1970 and used on chevelles and other cars. Could some very late cars have them possibly, but the pebble grain wheel is correct for 1969 at least that has been my finding.
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Post by: firstgenaddict on April 21, 2008, 01:23:33 PM
Kurt it has the Grab handle...
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Post by: KurtS on April 22, 2008, 04:30:27 AM
Thanks. If I was more awake, I would have seen the link in your sig..... ;)
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Post by: RamAirDave on April 22, 2008, 11:19:55 PM
09A ('69) NOR
711 INT, non-Z23
Pebble grain wheel
Title: Re: 69 owners with "Pebble-grained" steering wheels (not shrouds) please check in
Post by: KurtS on April 23, 2008, 04:16:35 AM
The Nov 68 Canadian parts manual lists the 3939731-735 part #'s, but not the others.

Also confirmed that there is only one set of steering wheel broadcast codes used during 69. That is, there was only one standard wheel of each color in the system. If there were different versions, they were considered interchangeable.

My 05C NOR Z23 SS396 has a smooth wheel. Could have been changed, but it's cracked and the rest of the interior is original.
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Post by: william on April 27, 2008, 04:46:09 PM
Just looked at a survivor 02B SS convert with a smooth wheel. No question it is OE.
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Post by: bertfam on April 27, 2008, 06:10:46 PM
Okay, so now it does appear the note in the parts book is wrong since Kurt and Bill have both reported smooth wheels and both are SS cars. Apparently, it's starting to look like the smooth wheel and the pebble grain wheel were used simultaniously? At least from the 02B date.

Anyone out there have earlier cars with smooth wheels?

Ed


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Post by: Jonesy on May 04, 2008, 03:34:24 PM
I have a pebble grained steering wheel

1. Type of car  - RS/SS 350
2. VIN of the car 9L508474
3. Build date on the Trim Tag - 11B
4. Interior code on the Trim Tag - 727
5. If the car has the "standard Interior", does it have the Z23 option - YES
6. Type of steering wheel  - Deluxe "pebble-grained" black
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Post by: kschurch on June 19, 2008, 05:42:34 AM
I have a pebble grained wheel.

1. Standard 250/350
2. VIN 124379L531132
3. Build date: 05A
4. Interior code: 720 Custom Orange/Black Houndstooth
5. Custom Interior
6. Steering: Pebble grain black
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Post by: firstgenaddict on July 15, 2008, 06:01:52 AM
10D (Early)
Norwood
Z28
711
Grab Bar
Pebble Grain
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Post by: wtexz10 on July 15, 2008, 05:45:47 PM
Ed,

Data on my Z10:
RS/SS 350
VIN: 124379N638321
Build date 05A
Trim 713  Black Houndstooth
Pebble Grained Wheel

Kris


 

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Post by: ChopChop on July 24, 2008, 11:27:25 AM
Base Convertible
124679N534829
11A
727
no z23 option
Pebble wheel
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Post by: jj69z28 on August 24, 2008, 01:57:38 AM
z/28 - van nuys

01d

727 interior

no z23

pebble grain wheel
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Post by: Dave69x33 on October 22, 2008, 01:43:27 AM
Ed,

1. Type of car - RS Z28
2. VIN of the car 9N638712
3. Build date on the Trim Tag - 05A
4. Interior code on the Trim Tag - 713
5. If the car has the "standard Interior", does it have the Z23 option - N/A
6. Type of steering wheel  - Deluxe "pebble-grained" black

Dave
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Post by: DZ302 Chevy on November 23, 2008, 04:11:54 PM
1. 1969 Z28
2. 19L505156
3. 10C
4. 711
5. Standard Interior with Z23 (Inc. grab handle)
6. Deluxe "pebble-grained" wheel
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Post by: zbo2 on December 26, 2008, 05:46:03 AM
1. 1969 Z28 Norwood
2. X77D80
3. 07A
4. 723
5. Standard Interior with Z23 (Inc. grab handle)
6."pebble-grained" wheel w/wood insert
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Post by: Big_Al on June 07, 2009, 11:48:03 PM
Ed-

I know this thread is quite old but thought you might still be interested in this info.

'69 RS L65
12437 9N626607
713
04A
Deluxe interior-  full woodgrain & passenger side dash handle, bright pedal trim, console, dash mounted clock, courtesy lights, and under hood light. This car also has the hand painted stripes over the wheel openings.
I've looked very closely and can find no trace of a pebble finish, maybe because of the late build going into April of 1969?
Is there any info you could use that I left out?

Al
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Post by: sixt9x33rs on June 21, 2009, 05:41:25 PM
Ed,

Z/28
RS
03d
711
N621543
Pebble grain wheel, grab bar, pedal dressing, wood grain on wheel. I think you get all of that when you chose RS.

Thanks,
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Post by: paceme on June 30, 2009, 06:24:37 PM
We (Vintage) certified three 69's with standard wheels at the GM Nationals this past weekend. All three has pebble-grained wheels, none were Z23 optioned:

Built 9D of 69
X66, 711

Built 4C
X77, 711

Built 10A of 69
 X33, 721

Steve
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Post by: Boston14 on January 23, 2010, 10:34:11 PM
1969 RS/SS 350 Convert.
124679N552528
718
11D
No Z23
Appears Smooth but is worn.
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Post by: Hans L on April 28, 2010, 08:32:03 PM
1.  Type of Car:  1969 Camaro RS Z/28
2.   VIN:  124379L52930
3.   Build date:  04B  (Van Nuys)
4.   Interior Code:  713
5.   Z23:  NA
6.   Steering wheel definitely has a grained texture between the two permeter lines.

Also, I have a '69 Chevelle SS.  It also had the grained, textured wheel (01A build date, Kansas).   I purchased a reproduction wheel for it and was puzzled why it was smooth as both the Z and the SS had textured wheels.  All makes some sense now.
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Post by: Hans L on April 28, 2010, 11:41:08 PM
Interesting.  My first Camaro was a 6 Cylinder (250) with a 4 speed trans. 

I do not know the VIN number or buld date; sold it in 1982.  
However I have pictures of it and confirmed it has the Z23 option, along with 727 Interior.

It had the "pebble grain" steering wheel.

Here's a picture of the interior with the pedal trim, wood on the wheel and part of the dash along with the grab bar and ad blown-up pic of the steering wheel, clearly showing the pebble grains:

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Post by: 69glacierblue on March 05, 2011, 03:40:50 AM
1: '69 X55 Vert
2: 124679N665238
3: 06A
4: 711
5: seems to have Z23 but no dash assist handle.
6: Deluxe wheel with pebble grain texture.  Woodgrain accent on wheel, console, & dash by lights/wiper switches and radio (am) knobs.
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Post by: luv2sixty9 on April 01, 2011, 12:31:13 PM
I have a 1969 03D - 38,000 mile Z28 with a smooth wheel.
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Post by: RPOZ11 on February 04, 2013, 05:28:50 AM
Anything relative of the smooth vs pebble grain wheel in 69 across models, and/or build timelines?

Any supply issues at the plants for this wheel while being assembled?
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Post by: 69camcon on February 26, 2013, 01:01:28 AM
1. 1969 RS 350 Van Nuys
2. VIN: L523367
3. 02B
4. 727
5. Standard Interior with Z23
6. Pebble-grained wheel w/wood insert

(http://cherrybombblast.com/nova/wheel2.jpg)
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Post by: m22mike on July 07, 2013, 12:05:33 PM
Yesterday I saw a very original 69 307 Camaro with standard black guts. X44, 09C,  smooth wheel. I will keep looking.
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Post by: jims69 on July 07, 2013, 05:25:14 PM
Ed,
1.  base
2.  124379N672580
3.  08C
4.  711
5.   standard  with Z23 option
6.  smooth steering wheel

Jim
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Post by: jcole541 on July 10, 2013, 01:06:39 PM

z28
09b
711
N506506
Pebble grain wheel, grab bar, pedal dressing, wood grain on wheel.and dash
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Post by: BULLITT65 on September 22, 2013, 08:40:37 PM
Ed, my car was built probably a couple days before "jims69" and has a different original wheel
1. X77
2. 124379N672394
3. 08C
4. 711
5. Standard interior with the Z23 option
6. Pebble grain I think

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Post by: KurtS on September 24, 2013, 05:01:52 AM
Ed, my car was built probably a couple days before "jims69" and has a different original wheel
Your car was build about 3 hours before his.
Great data - same options, different wheel.
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Post by: BULLITT65 on September 24, 2013, 05:07:11 AM
Ok two questions:
1) if you got the smooth steering wheel were the horn buttons smooth as well?

2) Kurt how did you figure that out??
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Post by: 69Z28-RS on September 24, 2013, 12:57:50 PM
VIN difference:    672580 - 672384 = 196 cars difference on the line...

Based on the 21 work days in August '69, and the number of cars produced during Aug, the avg daily rate was 435/day.. assuming a single 8 hr shift that month, 196/435 ~ 3.6 hrs difference on the line...

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Post by: bergy on September 24, 2013, 01:11:23 PM
05E, X-11, 649657, 723 interior with console, pebble grain.
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Post by: Azure1969Z/28 on September 24, 2013, 07:09:07 PM
Correct me if I am wrong but isn't the "pebble-grained" steering wheel that you are refering to and what GM refers to as the "grip assist" steering wheel the same? This should be included in the z23 option unless the wood grain wheel was ordered. Are you trying to document the factory's build accuracy as related to  this option package?
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Post by: VINCE Z28 on September 24, 2013, 09:40:42 PM
1969 RS / SS L-78 124379L502919                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     712                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      09D of 68                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             grained wheel with grab handle,  tilt wheel, wood dash, left/ right . console/gages              
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Post by: jims69 on September 24, 2013, 10:43:16 PM
Smooth steering wheel; horn buttons are "pebbled"
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Post by: KurtS on September 25, 2013, 02:11:02 AM
Correct me if I am wrong but isn't the "pebble-grained" steering wheel that you are refering to and what GM refers to as the "grip assist" steering wheel the same?
Nope, this is two versions of the same wheel, apparently used interchangeably.
Anyone want to create a summary post to confirm there's no option dependency?
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Post by: BULLITT65 on September 28, 2013, 10:57:54 PM
Smooth steering wheel; horn buttons are "pebbled"
thanks for clearing that up for me JIM.  :)
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Post by: ko-lek-tor on October 04, 2013, 03:12:17 AM
I have Two cars that have their original wheels. I believe my 307 car has the N30 after I describe the interior, you judge. This car has some unusual options for a base model like U17,M20,U73,U80,N44,D55,D90,U35,U63,U25-26-27-28-29 aux. lighting. Anyway her goes:
1)Base Coupe LF7 307
2)19N628403
3)3E
4)711
5)NO Z23-No dash assist-pedal bright trim-does have wood-grain on headlight sw. and radio and console and steering wheel.
6)pebble grain with wood-grain insert in center-and yes, this is original I have owned since 1985 car is virtually untouched w/original paint,wheels etc..

2nd car:
1)SS Coupe L48
2)19N549610
3)11D
4)713
5)Z87
6)pebble grain w/wood grain in center- SS emblem owned since '79
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Post by: sixt9x33rs on October 22, 2013, 05:12:15 PM
05c x77 no grain on wheel.
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Post by: sdkar on January 10, 2014, 09:43:50 PM
1969 Camaro Indy Pace Car
Z11
636285
04C
deluxe houndstooth interior
SS Wheel with wood shroud
pebble grain on steering wheel

Title: Re: 69 owners with "Pebble-grained" steering wheels (not shrouds) please check in
Post by: sixt9x33rs on January 14, 2014, 02:50:41 AM
Type of car Z28 RS
2. VIN of the car 19N621543
3. Build date on the Trim Tag 03D
4. Interior code on the Trim Tag 711
5. Yes has Z23
6. Deluxe wheel with Pebble Grain

Type of car SS
2. VIN of the car 19N567808
3. Build date on the Trim Tag 12C
4. Interior code on the Trim Tag 712
5. Deluxe interior
6. Rosewood

Type of car Z28
2. VIN of the car 19N648429
3. Build date on the Trim Tag 05C
4. Interior code on the Trim Tag 711
5. No Z23
6. Type of steering wheel Standard smooth
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Post by: Azure1969Z/28 on January 14, 2014, 06:42:49 AM
I maintain that I don't think it's a mystery. The "pebble grain" is simply the "assist grip" steering wheel included in the Z23 "special interior" option and the Z23 option is included in the Z87 "custom interior" option. Any car with the Z23 or Z87 option should have the "pebble grain" steering wheel unless ordered wit the N34 "wood grained plastic sport" steering wheel.

If I am incorrect please explain the difference between a "standard" and an "assist grip" steering wheel.

???
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Post by: Big_Al on January 14, 2014, 05:25:13 PM
My '69 04A RS has the Z87 package. 713 seats with full woodgrain dash, passenger assist handle, pedal trim... the full interior and exterior package but has a smooth, RS wheel.
Title: Re: 69 owners with "Pebble-grained" steering wheels (not shrouds) please check in
Post by: KurtS on January 30, 2014, 06:27:36 AM
Can someone summate the data?
Something like this with build date, no/Z23/Z87, and RS and engine if known 307/SS/Z/etc.
Here's the last 4 cars as a start.

Smooth:
04A Z87 RS
05C  no  Z28

Pebble:
03D Z23 RS/Z
04C Z87 RS/SS
Title: Re: 69 owners with "Pebble-grained" steering wheels (not shrouds) please check in
Post by: BULLITT65 on January 30, 2014, 07:18:46 AM
I am not sure if I got everyone and a couple I had to put a question mark, because they didn't give enough info if the car had the Z23 option or not. Maybe they can update the info when they see there cars build date with a ? by it.
Anyways here ya go:Smooth:
11B  Z23  RS/SS
11D   no   Base convertible
02B    ?    SS convertible
03D  ?      Z/28
04A  Z87  RS
04A  Z87  RS
05C  no   Z28
08C  Z23 
09C  no   X44base coupe


Pebble:
10C  Z23     Z/28
10D  Z23     Z/28
11A   no       Base convertible
11D  Z87     SS
12C  Z23     Z/28
01D  no       Z/28
02B  Z23     RS
02D  Z23      X11
02D  Z23     SS
03D  Z23     RS/Z/28
03E  no       base coupe
04B  Z23    RS/Z/28
04C  Z87    Z11
04C   no     Z/28
04C   Z23   RS/Z/28
05A    ?       RS/Z/28
05A  Z87     base coupe
05A  Z87     Z10
05E  Z23     X11
06A  Z23 (no handle?) convertible
06A  Z87     SS
07A  Z23     Z/28
08C  Z23    Z/28
09A   no      ?
09B  Z23    Z/28
09D  no      X66
10A  no      Z/28
Title: Re: 69 owners with "Pebble-grained" steering wheels (not shrouds) please check in
Post by: VINCE Z28 on February 14, 2014, 03:10:29 AM
1) 1969 SS
2) 124379L516894
3) 01C
4) 711
5) Z23
6) Pebble grain wheel



1) 1969 RS/SS  L -78
2) 124379L502919
3) 09D 68
4) 712
5) Z87
6) pebble grain  wheel
 


Title: Re: 69 owners with "Pebble-grained" steering wheels (not shrouds) please check in
Post by: BULLITT65 on February 14, 2014, 06:09:56 AM
Hey Vince copy and paste your info into the list, this will make it easier to keep the list fresh. thanks
Title: Re: 69 owners with "Pebble-grained" steering wheels (not shrouds) please check in
Post by: KurtS on March 11, 2014, 08:20:18 AM
Thanks for summating the data! I added Vince's data below.
I do not see a pattern - seems like there different suppliers or different molds and the parts were used interchangeably. Interesting that there are not many smooth wheels out there...

I am not sure if I got everyone and a couple I had to put a question mark, because they didn't give enough info if the car had the Z23 option or not. Maybe they can update the info when they see there cars build date with a ? by it.

Smooth:
11B  Z23  RS/SS
11D   no   Base convertible
02B    ?    SS convertible
03D    ?    Z/28
04A  Z87  RS
04A  Z87  RS
05C  no   Z28
08C  Z23 
09C  no   X44base coupe

Pebble:
09D  Z87   RS/SS
10C  Z23   Z/28
10D  Z23   Z/28
11A   no    Base convertible
11D  Z87   SS
12C  Z23   Z/28
01C  Z23   SS
01D  no     Z/28
02B  Z23   RS
02D  Z23   X11
02D  Z23   SS
03D  Z23   RS/Z/28
03E  no     base coupe
04B  Z23   RS/Z/28
04C  Z87   Z11
04C   no    Z/28
04C   Z23  RS/Z/28
05A    ?     RS/Z/28
05A  Z87   base coupe
05A  Z87   Z10
05E  Z23    X11
06A  Z23 (no handle?) convertible
06A  Z87   SS
07A  Z23   Z/28
08C  Z23   Z/28
09A   no      ?
09B  Z23   Z/28
09D  no     X66
10A  no     Z/28