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Title: Seatbelt Research (was New CRG Research Report)
Post by: KurtS on March 22, 2008, 06:50:45 AM
I split the discussion of the new seatbelt report. I moved most of the relevant research oriented posts to this forum and renamed the thread. Hope both threads still make sense.  :)


(I probably wouldn't have moved this post, but I needed one of my posts to edit.)
This post originally said:

That's pages 15-84 and 15-85 from the Fisher Body service manual. I looked at those, but didn't use them. :)
Nice shot of the location.

Since there is interest and the rear shoulder belts are relevant, I'm adding them.
Thought I was done with this......
Title: Re: Seatbelt Research (was New CRG Research Report)
Post by: KevinW on March 22, 2008, 12:40:18 PM
Kurt, I thought CRG reports are never done :) 
Title: Re: Seatbelt Research (was New CRG Research Report)
Post by: Pex68 on March 22, 2008, 08:54:12 PM
Kurt,

Just noticed something, the report says All standard belts used the letter A for the plant code and deluxe Camaro belts used the letters C, E, & F.  I have standard belts in my 68 and they all have the letter E!?!?

Side note too, my retractors are dated 4 weeks earlier than all the rest of the belts; 46 to 50 for all others (except 1 missing tag).  Not sure if that means anything, just thought Id share the info.  99.9% sure the belts are original to the car as it had the original carpet in the car when I got her.

Again, Great Report-Enjoyed it thoroughly!!!
Title: Re: Seatbelt Research (was New CRG Research Report)
Post by: KurtS on March 23, 2008, 04:05:34 AM
Chris,
Thanks for bringing that to my attention. Turns out a few 68 LA cars did have a different plant code on the standard belts. Not many and I missed it. Some cars only have one position that has the other plant code. And it's throughout the year.

Can you email me the data on your belts? Thanks!
Title: Re: Seatbelt Research (was New CRG Research Report)
Post by: Pex68 on March 23, 2008, 06:33:32 AM
Kurt,
You have mail & let me know if you need anything else!

Happy Easter Everyone!!!!

Title: Re: Seatbelt Research (was New CRG Research Report)
Post by: KevinW on March 26, 2008, 11:43:07 AM
Kurt, I just noticed something.  The deluxe buckle pic is not correct.  You have pictured a 67-9 and a 70+ buckle.  But it should be a 67-8 and a 69+.  All the 69 deluxe belts I have and seen are the changed version.
Title: Re: Seatbelt Research (was New CRG Research Report)
Post by: KurtS on March 26, 2008, 07:11:39 PM
Kurt, I just noticed something.  The deluxe buckle pic is not correct.  You have pictured a 67-9 and a 70+ buckle.  But it should be a 67-8 and a 69+.  All the 69 deluxe belts I have and seen are the changed version.
I emailed you about this. (I sent you a pic of three dlx buckles.)That picture on the left is actually a buckle from a 69.
I'm not convinced it wasn't a mid-year change. Something I'm looking into.

Chris,
Thanks! And the pics don't have to be *that* high of a resolution. :)
Title: Re: Seatbelt Research (was New CRG Research Report)
Post by: KevinW on March 27, 2008, 02:15:19 AM
Kurt, yes you did.  I did not make the connection.  The latest 68 version buckle I have seen is 35C68 or there abouts.  everything from the 40sC68 week had the changed buckle from what I recall passing through my hands.  But nothing is certain :) 
Title: Re: Seatbelt Research (was New CRG Research Report)
Post by: Jonesy on March 27, 2008, 05:47:44 AM
I have a 69 with deluxe belts dated 34C68. Can I help?
Title: Re: Seatbelt Research (was New CRG Research Report)
Post by: KevinW on March 27, 2008, 02:04:09 PM
Sure, Jonesy!  In the CRG seatbelt report, does yours look like the pic labled 67-69 or the one labeled 70+?  thanks!
Title: Re: Seatbelt Research (was New CRG Research Report)
Post by: Jonesy on March 27, 2008, 04:45:09 PM
Okay, I have 34C68 and 38C68 belts all original to my car. 11B VanNuys.
(http://www.camaros.net/showroom/data/500/back_seat_belts.JPG)
(http://www.camaros.net/showroom/data/500/deluxe_belts2.JPG)
(http://www.camaros.net/showroom/data/500/deluxe_belts1.JPG)

shoulder belts
(http://www.camaros.net/showroom/data/500/shoulder_belts_38C68.JPG)


Title: Re: Seatbelt Research (was New CRG Research Report)
Post by: Jonesy on March 27, 2008, 04:50:12 PM
Looks like I have 2 that are the 70+ and the reat are 67-69. I think the 2 38C68 are the later version.
I know for a fact these have never been astray from the car.

Do you need the pic of a 67 shoulder belt tag?? I noticed you didnt have one of those.
Title: Re: Seatbelt Research (was New CRG Research Report)
Post by: 1968RSZ28 on March 27, 2008, 07:53:52 PM
Kurt -

Stellar job!     :)    I finally got around to reading your report.


Here's the info off the original deluxe belts in my 02C Los Angeles built '68 Z/28...


Right front shoulder belt clip:

Hamill  1968
Model #177
52 E 67


Left front shoulder belt clip:

Same as right front shoulder belt clip.


Right front lap belt retractor:

Hamill 1968
Model #137
1 E 68


Left front lap belt retractor:

Same as right front lap belt retractor.


Right front seat belt buckles:

Hamill 1968
Model #137
1 E 68  (this belt is on the bottom)

Hamill 1968
Model #177
52 E 67


Left front seat belt buckles:

Same as right front seat belt buckles.


Rear seat belts:  (Note: All six belts have the same info on the tags)

Hamill 1968
Model #131
50 E 67



Kurt, do you have any idea what the the letters and numbers stamped into the buckles and clips stand for?  For example, the right front lap belt retractor clip has "981" stamped on it while the left side retractor clip has "H348" stamped on it.     ???

Thanks again for your research!

Paul

                                     
Title: Re: Seatbelt Research (was New CRG Research Report)
Post by: KevinW on March 27, 2008, 08:47:27 PM
Paul, not sure what the 981 is, but I have seen what looks like julian dates stamped on the buckles and tongues. H348 might be a Hamill from day 348 (early Dec ?)
Title: Re: Seatbelt Research (was New CRG Research Report)
Post by: KevinW on March 27, 2008, 08:49:09 PM
Jonesy, thanks for the pics! so the 34C68 are the older style and the 38C68 is the newer style? Thanks
Title: Re: Seatbelt Research (was New CRG Research Report)
Post by: Jonesy on March 27, 2008, 09:14:22 PM
I think so, I will have to verify to make sure. They are in the car right now.
Title: Re: Seatbelt Research (was New CRG Research Report)
Post by: 1968RSZ28 on March 28, 2008, 06:28:22 AM
Paul, not sure what the 981 is, but I have seen what looks like julian dates stamped on the buckles and tongues. H348 might be a Hamill from day 348 (early Dec ?)

I thought about that Kevin and julian date 348 would work for my build date, but there is no consistency with these numbers.  Most of the clips are blank.  The clip stamped H348 is the only one that has a letter stamped on it with the numbers.  My mistake, the clip stamped 981 is actually 991 (not that it matters at this point).  Also the buckles are stamped with four digit numbers...  3581, 7106, 7111, 7119, & 7121, to list them.     :P

Paul     
Title: Re: Seatbelt Research (was New CRG Research Report)
Post by: KurtS on March 28, 2008, 06:56:12 AM
Paul,
It looks like those #'s stamped on the clips and buckles were some sort of in-plant use. I've seen some that looked like date codes, but other belts out of the same set can have a totally different style number. So, no, I don't.

Mike,
Thanks! That's even earlier than I was expecting! What style are the front lap belts? I think they are dated 42F68.

I'd like some more data from other 69 cars to confirm the change, but the report appears wrong on that detail. A revision will be forthcoming soon.
Title: Re: Seatbelt Research (was New CRG Research Report)
Post by: Jonesy on March 28, 2008, 12:10:18 PM
Kurt I'll check all this out this weekend. I think the front retractors are 42F68.
Title: Re: Seatbelt Research (was New CRG Research Report)
Post by: Jonesy on March 30, 2008, 01:50:01 AM
Kurt

Deluxe seat belts.

Front retractors are 42F68

All Front belts are 38C68 and are the ones like the 70+ picture. So I actually have 4.

The rear are all 34C68 and are the 67-69 style in the picture.

11B VanNuys

I guess I never looked that closely at them before but it appears I have both styles in my car and I know they have aways been with my car.
Title: Re: Seatbelt Research (was New CRG Research Report)
Post by: Jonesy on March 30, 2008, 02:21:34 AM
Heres a pic of the 38C68 tag for the fronts:

(http://www.camaros.net/showroom/data/500/Belts19.JPG)
Title: Re: Seatbelt Research (was New CRG Research Report)
Post by: KurtS on March 30, 2008, 02:37:52 AM
Thanks for confirming the which buckles were where.

1914 is a rear belt.
1907 is the front belts. 1952 is the shoulder. Do you have 5 1914 belts?
Title: Re: Seatbelt Research (was New CRG Research Report)
Post by: Jonesy on March 30, 2008, 02:40:26 AM
Okay, I gotta go double check, this time I'll write it down. I may have goofed up again.
Title: Re: Seatbelt Research (was New CRG Research Report)
Post by: 68Zproject on May 02, 2008, 08:38:03 PM
Kurt, I've been having trouble getting these through your e-mail.  I have only two back seat sets of belts. Did youg et my car info?

(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w112/68zproject/P4220591-1.jpg)
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w112/68zproject/P4220595.jpg)
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w112/68zproject/P4220601.jpg)
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w112/68zproject/P4220591.jpg)
Title: Re: Seatbelt Research (was New CRG Research Report)
Post by: ChrisM on January 30, 2010, 06:09:39 AM
10E Los Camaro, Black Standard Interior with deluxe belts.
Hamill 1968
Model 131
34E67

Two are
Hamill 1968
Model 137
43C67
Title: Re: Seatbelt Research (was New CRG Research Report)
Post by: KurtS on January 31, 2010, 04:59:51 AM
Harvard,
A belated thanks for the belt info. :)

Chris,
Is this from your N-N coupe? I thought it was a 10D car?
Title: Re: Seatbelt Research (was New CRG Research Report)
Post by: ChrisM on June 11, 2010, 05:45:49 AM
Quote from: KurtS link=topic=3758.msg41359#msg41359 date=1264913991

Chris,
Is this from your N-N coupe? I thought it was a 10D car?
[/quote

Kurt,
Yes, N-N coupe.  It is 10E,   L309454.  Sorry it took so long to respond.
Chris M
Title: Re: Seatbelt Research (was New CRG Research Report)
Post by: IZRSSS on October 08, 2010, 10:25:09 AM
Kurt, I purchase reproduction deluxe belts for my car.  It's a Van Nuys Dec Build.  The person who made these said even though the car is a '69 and it was an early build the yr on the belts should read '68.  They read; Hamill, Model # 1952, 44 A 68.  Did I mess up?
Title: Re: Seatbelt Research (was New CRG Research Report)
Post by: IZRSSS on October 12, 2010, 08:16:14 PM
Anything on these belts KurtS?
Title: Re: Seatbelt Research (was New CRG Research Report)
Post by: KurtS on October 19, 2010, 04:48:52 AM
Did you see http://www.camaros.org/seatbelt.shtml#tags?
It's the actual year, so it would be 68. But Hamill belts wouldn't have an A in the date code.  Not like anyone would notice....
Title: Re: Seatbelt Research (was New CRG Research Report)
Post by: IZRSSS on October 19, 2010, 12:55:58 PM
Thanks for the link KurtS.  I see what you mean about the "A".  

Just when you think you have a good car sites like these come along and give you a reality check.  Wish I had joined a long time ago! Oh well, by the time I'm 80 (in about 30) I should have all the I's dotted & the T's crossed & maybe even the money to have a r-restoration done up right.