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Camaro Research Group Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: waynechipman on December 21, 2005, 07:59:32 PM
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Does anyone hav an Idea how many 69 Camaros remain in existence.
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GOOD QUESTION! EVERYONE COUNT OFF, 2 IN MY GARAGE. (WOULDN'T BE NICE IF IT WAS THAT EASY?) :)
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OK , how many are registered with motor vehicle records. There has to be at least one computer hacker who is into muscle cars that could find the info
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I think there are 32,000 Z-28's still on the road. ::)
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Hey thats funnier than sh#t, there are probably at least 80,000 SS Camaros still around
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And about 5,348 of the 3,675 Z11's still exist!
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gets funnier and funnier. I think ill go make a yenko hahaha
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I think there are only a couple dozen 6cyl cars left. Funny how they didnt survive as well ;)
dave
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here is another funny response,but in reality its something that all of us that own 69 camaros should be concerned about. there will soon be more 69 convertables out there than gm made with the repop convertable bodys that are being reproduced and soon they will be selling the coupes. well its a topic that has me wondering will it make our real 69 camaros worth more or less? something to ponder now that they are repoping phonie camaro bodys now.maybe we should get a number of real 69 camaros before the fake ones or clones take over ;D
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Maybe the repop bodies will be good?
Look what happened to the Cobra.
Kris
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here is another funny response,but in reality its something that all of us that own 69 camaros should be concerned about. there will soon be more 69 convertables out there than gm made with the repop convertable bodys that are being reproduced and soon they will be selling the coupes. well its a topic that has me wondering will it make our real 69 camaros worth more or less? something to ponder now that they are repoping phonie camaro bodys now.maybe we should get a number of real 69 camaros before the fake ones or clones take over ;D
With the price of the reproduction body shells and the cost of all the parts to make them into cars, I wouldn't worry about too many of them appearing and diluting the '69 gene pool. :)
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Good points. Though the cobras were never produced in numbers. The cost of building one of those foreign body jokes is quite expensive, so hopefully they wont hurt price of real ones. I would imagine without a VIN to rivet in that these could not be titled as 69 Camaros. Titles should also read as a rebody, Gm was wrong in allowing them to be called Camaros when they should be called a kit car just like Cobras. I will never buy a new GM product after they did this, they soiled their name
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Some states, like Maryland, will issue VIN plates for theft recoveries and "replicars".
John
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I think that since the bodies are reproductions, there will be ways to spot them. Plus, the bodies will just "look" like Camaros, the title, I suppose, will show that it's not real Camaro. Only the fools will be fooled.
Larry
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sounds like a project for somebody. Document the most obvious diffs between the originals and the re-pops. There must be loads........
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I feel like I should play devil's advocate here...
Good points. Though the cobras were never produced in numbers. The cost of building one of those foreign body jokes is quite expensive, so hopefully they wont hurt price of real ones. I would imagine without a VIN to rivet in that these could not be titled as 69 Camaros. Titles should also read as a rebody, Gm was wrong in allowing them to be called Camaros when they should be called a kit car just like Cobras. I will never buy a new GM product after they did this, they soiled their name
There are a few things I should mention about this. Obviously, I disagree with the "GM soiled their name by doing this" statement. Obviously, they soiled their name by producing front-wheel drive V8 powered cars. ;D
Secondly, what "foreign body joke" are you talking about? I know that many Cobra replicas are of poor quality, but the Factory Five and Superfomance replicas look spot-on, and you can build the Factory Five one for about $20K, provided you do the labor and provide Mustang donor components. :)
Anyways, I think that GM is doing the right thing here. Although the thought of building a Camaro from scratch using the re-pop body sounds tempting, (I might do that...), the real intent of the re-pop body was to provide an alternative for anyone with a rusted-out body, right? If faced with the choice of hours of hard labor to put on new body panels, or having the work done for you, which one would you take? The latter, every time. I know I would. It would eliminate one time-consuming task and let me focus on the other aspects of getting the car up and running. Yes, I know that you can also use a body shop to graft on new panels, but what about the cost of labor? I'm pretty certain that the cost of labor, plus the cost of the body panels, would total more than the $10K being asked for the repop. (Of course, if I'm wrong, please correct me... 8)) There's always the chance of mistakes happening, right? Any mistakes would equal more money being spent to fix the problem. Wouldn't you rather save money by buying the repop and using the saved money on other aspects of the car? I personally think the benifits of the repop outweigh the disadvantages. Of course, you can disagree with me, but that's my stance on the issue.
(Of course, it should be noted that I like taking unpopular opinions. I think the English language dub of Naruto is great, that the new Dodge Charger is a sexy design, and that Van Halen was better with Sammy Hagar. Take that as you will. ;D)
I think that since the bodies are reproductions, there will be ways to spot them. Plus, the bodies will just "look" like Camaros, the title, I suppose, will show that it's not real Camaro. Only the fools will be fooled.
Larry
Agreed. If someone does use the repop to build a Camaro from scratch, it would probably be for a pro touring machine, not an exact replica. If anyone does use the repop to make an exact replica and try to pass it off as one while they're selling it, they're probably scumbags anyways. >:(
Anyways, I'll conclude this post with this link:
http://www.yearone.com/Articles/tech3.asp?AID=71
It may not change anybody's mind, but it's a good read anyways. ;)
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Did I just kill this thread? ???
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i dont know.....but in about 12 months there will be one more that i know about..:thumbsup:
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i dont know.....but in about 12 months there will be one more that i know about..:thumbsup:
As in, you're building one yourself? Sounds pretty good to me! :)
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i dont know.....but in about 12 months there will be one more that i know about..:thumbsup:
As in, you're building one yourself? Sounds pretty good to me! :)
full on restoration...yep.. i might do a z28888888/rs clone...unsure right now...i might drop a 454 in it but that might look a little odd....z28 with a 454 in it..lol
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I don't think that a 454 would look odd in a Z. I've seen plenty with automatics and drum brakes.
Yeah.....right. J.R.
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I don't think that a 454 would look odd in a Z. I've seen plenty with automatics and drum brakes.
Yeah.....right. J.R.
lol...well obviously i will be upgrading...actually ill be dropping a 350 in it...
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Just a small opinion to interject. This industry and our infatuation with the 1st gen should be based on appreciation for the cars, not strictly investment potential. I will be the first to admit that knowing your vehicle is financially sound is nice, but this replacement shell is more appealing than a still half rusty hull with a bunch of rust still lurking in the seams. Just make sure YOU are smarter than the idiots that will be pirating these shells and we can all live on the same field. As it is now a fools beware market, this is just a new angle on the same old idea--making a nice car that you should enjoy. Dave