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Camaro Research Group Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: BULLITT65 on November 12, 2021, 10:50:17 PM

Title: 1968 Z/28 Trim tag reproduction
Post by: BULLITT65 on November 12, 2021, 10:50:17 PM
Well what looked like a great restoration and very cool optioned 68Z, with a 4.56 option on the window sticker, disappointed me today. At first glance the tag had been off the car and then looking closer the tag has been replaced  :(: And I have also gotten word the window sticker is also a fake.  :( :(
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1968-chevrolet-camaro-110/?utm_source=transactionalemail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=bat_tagged_comment#comment-7282442

Currently at 65k, hope buyers research more.
Title: Re: 1968 Z/28 Trim tag reproduction
Post by: GMAD_Van Nuys on November 13, 2021, 08:14:46 PM
Car was for sale in Sept. 2016 and the seller said that the 1968 Z28 has 19K actual miles:

https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/af16/auburn-fall/lots/r0996-1968-chevrolet-camaro-rsz28/548166
Title: Re: 1968 Z/28 Trim tag reproduction
Post by: KurtS on November 14, 2021, 08:04:13 PM
Why do you think the tag has been replaced?
WS just appeared a few years ago.
Car was rusty. Restamped MO.

Always list the VIN for reference.
124378N461605
Title: Re: 1968 Z/28 Trim tag reproduction
Post by: 70L34 on November 15, 2021, 05:19:39 PM
Even the axle stamp looks 'unconventional' to me.
Title: Re: 1968 Z/28 Trim tag reproduction
Post by: BULLITT65 on November 16, 2021, 01:18:04 AM
 
Why do you think the tag has been replaced?
WS just appeared a few years ago.
Car was rusty. Restamped MO.

Always list the VIN for reference.
124378N461605
(Sorry CRG is not sending me notifications again for replies to a topic. )

After comparing the tag to others in that time frame I was able to determine it has been replaced. The intake has been debunked by Wayne G., the window sticker debunked by Paul, of course the engine stamp is an obvious re-stamp. As mentioned even the rear end stamp looks questionable.
Title: Re: 1968 Z/28 Trim tag reproduction
Post by: cook_dw on November 16, 2021, 03:19:08 AM
The tag is about the only think that isnít fake.  IMHO.
Title: Re: 1968 Z/28 Trim tag reproduction
Post by: Pacecar on November 16, 2021, 03:32:35 PM
Any thoughts on the protecto-plate?
Title: Re: 1968 Z/28 Trim tag reproduction
Post by: cook_dw on November 17, 2021, 01:26:46 AM
First glance it looks ok but I defer to Kurt & William.  They have more in the db than I do.
Title: Re: 1968 Z/28 Trim tag reproduction
Post by: KurtS on November 17, 2021, 04:45:54 AM
After comparing the tag to others in that time frame I was able to determine it has been replaced.
I have a picture of the tag before the resto - looks exactly the same but now cleaner.
Pad and axle are restamps.
Title: Re: 1968 Z/28 Trim tag reproduction
Post by: BULLITT65 on November 17, 2021, 05:11:54 AM
Hmm interesting another member had also pointed out that the vin number does not fall in the right time frame for a 06D car. In your pics or info do you question that the tag is original to the car? is there a link or can you post a couple of pics? In placing the tag side by side with another I see very small differences. As you said the tag may be cleaned so that may account for what I am viewing.
Title: Re: 1968 Z/28 Trim tag reproduction
Post by: rare396bronze on November 17, 2021, 06:40:51 AM
The vin's are not correct for june cars. Have one vin starts 449 06a car. Second car starts 453 06b. Know off member in club his starts 453 think his 06b also. All these cars have never had tags taken off car. That said that trim plate fall in line with date it should be. Wish we could the vins updated.
Title: Re: 1968 Z/28 Trim tag reproduction
Post by: z28z11 on November 17, 2021, 03:57:57 PM
Sooo many expert opinions being expressed on the BaT site for this car - incredible. Advertiser for this beautiful '68 is defending every detraction; some of the defenses don't hold up, like the comment about the crossram 'how much does it cost to cast one' ? (paraphrased). I can answer that- about $4-$8K for a reproduction unit complete, depending on who you buy it from. With Winter Foundry casting logo and proper part numbers, including date coded castings.

I can see the answer to the trim tag question - likely original, probably R&R'd during restoration (look at the paint behind it). I know it's a "no-no" to remove one, but a lot of shops will remove it to paint the firewall. Some owner in the past should have told them not to, but hindsight won't catch up with this one. I'm one of the guys mentioned with a documented '68 Z, 06B, dealer paperwork, MSO, complete history stretching back to 1968.

The car is really pretty, despite the detractions. Unfortunately, there are are a few on Facebook that don't agree with the facts presented on the originality of the car, including the seller. Caveat Emptor, as the saying goes -

JMO,
Steve
Title: Re: 1968 Z/28 Trim tag reproduction
Post by: BillOhio on November 18, 2021, 01:08:34 AM
I was watching a 70 Z this week and I was pretty sure the block was a restamp and the transmission was obvious with the wrong vin on it.  The last morning the seller decided to say when he bought it, the car was represented to him as all original.  Passing the buck for his week of saying it was the original engine.