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Camaro Research Group Discussion => Decoding/Numbers => Topic started by: Major_Tom on September 21, 2021, 02:56:53 PM

Title: Unusual Trim Tag / VIN / Block Code combination
Post by: Major_Tom on September 21, 2021, 02:56:53 PM
Hi,

thanks for accepting me into the forum. My name is Johann, I am from Germany and looking at a 1967 Camaro SS 396 right now, which supossedly is a L78 car. Before any questions arise, the car is a very well done frame-off restauration, almost no flaws at all on the car -basically like new. The seller is asking 68,000$ for it.

Now to the weird part:

The trim tag says the car is a 4N car, production first week of July 1967.

The VIN is a 16xxxx, so July 1967 seems to fit.

The block matches the VIN, the engine code says itīs a MQ - so L78 block. Assembly date is 07II, so 11th of July.

Basically there seems to be a mismatch between the trim tag and the block / VIN combination.

The carburetor seems to be a Hollley 4160 series List- 3613, so not original but from a 1966 Chevelle SS 396 L78.

Is there the possibility that this is still a real L78 car? If itīs not - is this well made tribute in the market price range? It certainly is a very nice car.

Kind regards and thanks in advance

Johann
Title: Re: Unusual Trim Tag / VIN / Block Code combination
Post by: rich69rs on September 21, 2021, 03:59:24 PM
Welcome Johann!

Can you post some pictures of the trim tag, etc.  I know that those that know that can help you will want to see pictures if you can post them.

Richard
Title: Re: Unusual Trim Tag / VIN / Block Code combination
Post by: KurtS on September 21, 2021, 04:13:23 PM
I'd like to see a picture of the engine pad. But I'm a doubter that it's a real L78....
Title: Re: Unusual Trim Tag / VIN / Block Code combination
Post by: bertfam on September 21, 2021, 04:34:25 PM
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I'd like to see a picture of the engine pad. But I'm a doubter that it's a real L78....

Kurt, it's HERE (https://www.camaros.net/threads/unusual-trim-vin-block-code-combination.482690/#post-1783293179) but there's way too much paint on it to really tell and it's too small. I tried to enlarge it (see below), but it didn't help. He'll need to remove the paint and take a better picture.

Ed
Title: Re: Unusual Trim Tag / VIN / Block Code combination
Post by: Major_Tom on September 21, 2021, 05:04:46 PM
I posted enlarged pictures of the pad here

 https://www.camaros.net/threads/unusual-trim-vin-block-code-combination.482690/post-1783293190 (https://www.camaros.net/threads/unusual-trim-vin-block-code-combination.482690/post-1783293190)

Sorry for posting in both forums - I wanted to get as much info from the US-Experts as possible. Those cars don’t have the same following in Europe as in the States and as such it’s much harder to get an educated opinion.
Title: Re: Unusual Trim Tag / VIN / Block Code combination
Post by: Mike S on September 21, 2021, 05:14:39 PM
 I don't see the number 7 in the VIN stamp though it can be covered by paint. A normal stamp would be like 7L164xxx    though there was a period where the 7Lxxxxxx was stamped reversed as L7xxxxxx. Looking at the number 6 in the above pad stamp, the font doesn't look right. But I'm only going by what my L35 was stamped on a Feb 67 motor. Check out my reply #38 here that shows the number 6 :  http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=10311.msg77958#msg77958

Mike
Title: Re: Unusual Trim Tag / VIN / Block Code combination
Post by: bertfam on September 21, 2021, 10:48:27 PM
As I said, you're going to have to have them chemically remove the paint and take better pictures of the pad. DO NOT USE SANDPAPER or anything else abrasive.

Ed
Title: Re: Unusual Trim Tag / VIN / Block Code combination
Post by: MO on September 22, 2021, 01:23:26 AM
Ground control to Major_Tom:
Sorry, no offense, I couldn't help myself.

I seriously doubt an L78 would be installed in lieu of an L35 "accidently" on the assembly line.
Unless the car has an impeccable restoration, 68k for a NOM 4N car seems like a lot.
 
Title: Re: Unusual Trim Tag / VIN / Block Code combination
Post by: KurtS on September 22, 2021, 03:47:12 AM
I think someone restored it this way. Tag looks OK and I'm pretty sure the block is a restamp.
I agree, $68K is a lot.