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Title: L78 M22 pacer - some firewall shots.
Post by: firstgenaddict on June 04, 2021, 03:50:50 AM
Here are some shots of the firewall on the pacer I am doing for Bergy - Bruce. It's a L78 M22 3.73  endura bumper pacer bought new in Ct. and drag raced early in it's life.
This is going to go together quickly, as the engine trans subframe rear end, top frame, dash cluster, glass mechanisms and etc are restored and ready to go - I believe he has the seats covered as well.
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Post by: firstgenaddict on June 04, 2021, 03:57:13 AM
couple more -
I had to turn the lights in the booth off to get a decent shot of the transition...
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Post by: 169INDY on June 04, 2021, 04:03:38 AM
If is not bad form for me to ask What product do you prefer for the body joint sealing, ?
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Post by: firstgenaddict on June 04, 2021, 04:21:19 AM
I use 3M Fast and Firm  Beige - it looks exactly like the factory and tools nearly identically. I take a chip brush dip it in lacquer thinner and drag it through the bead I lay down. You cannot be slow and timid... get on with the job and it will come out correct, the slower you are the worse it will look. I also look at the original photos so I get the order correct - down from the top of the cowl at the sides, and then mid firewall under the cowl tag to the fender mount, then from the pass side fender mount on firewall face across to the middle with a curved end where it crosses the drivers side.
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Post by: 169INDY on June 04, 2021, 05:28:35 AM
OH Got it, I have had that very problem, Messing with it I like the Thinner Tip that would help the lubricity and encourage flow and smoothness.

Thanks for sharing.

Jim
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Post by: bergy on June 04, 2021, 12:24:17 PM
James is an artist AND an engineer.  Rare combination of skill sets - perfect for restoring these cars :-)
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Post by: cook_dw on June 04, 2021, 03:35:22 PM
As always amazing work.
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Post by: ric1969 on June 05, 2021, 12:28:10 PM
   I'm a big fan of James work and his knowledge awesome stuff.
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Post by: Edgemontvillage on June 06, 2021, 02:40:13 PM
Details look great James, nice work.
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Post by: 70L34 on June 06, 2021, 02:49:34 PM
Nice details.
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Post by: 69Z28-RS on June 06, 2021, 04:45:01 PM
What prep work was done to the body that removed the original seam sealer?   Was it blasted or dipped or ??
Title: Re: L78 M22 pacer - some firewall shots.
Post by: firstgenaddict on June 06, 2021, 05:07:07 PM
I scraped all of the seam sealer out to kill the rust in the seam - then blasted the seam - etched it to remove the rust in the pits then - neutralized - then 1:1 epoxy sealed everything -
Most of the photos will not load here as they are too large (bit wise) to put up more than one or two per post.

Here is a link to the thread Bruce started on Yenko.net
https://www.yenko.net/forum/showthread.php?t=163458

I sectioned in the dash through the first two slots in the speaker grille and through the defroster ducts.
(https://www.yenko.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=176018&stc=1&d=1602590873)

(https://www.yenko.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=176020&stc=1&d=1602590937)

This shows the state of the seam just prior to seam sealing it.

(https://www.yenko.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=194610&stc=1&d=1621322476)

(https://www.yenko.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=194611&stc=1&d=1621322476)

(https://www.yenko.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=195653&stc=1&d=1622777058)

(https://www.yenko.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=195649&stc=1&d=1622777058)

(https://www.yenko.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=195646&stc=1&d=1622777058)

(https://www.yenko.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=195648&stc=1&d=1622777058)

Testing techniques to match the satin Chrome finish of the top catches - sunvisor mounts
I think I nailed it...
(https://www.yenko.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=194626&stc=1&d=1621323555)

Original header molding with satin break line
(https://www.yenko.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=194625&stc=1&d=1621323555)

Heater box with original markings -
(https://www.yenko.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=194621&stc=1&d=1621323555)

Restored -
(https://www.yenko.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=194622&stc=1&d=1621323555)







Title: Re: L78 M22 pacer - some firewall shots.
Post by: 69Z28-RS on June 06, 2021, 05:41:15 PM
Thanks for the details...   :)  ..  VERY nice work!
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Post by: firstgenaddict on June 08, 2021, 05:19:47 AM
Some more -- wiper orange and dash texture -
I put the same "problems" in the restoration as the original - finger marks etc
Chipped the paint out of the vin because the original is stamped after paint  and is chipped.

(https://www.yenko.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=195904&stc=1&d=1623128904)

(https://www.yenko.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=195905&stc=1&d=1623128904)

(https://www.yenko.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=195906&stc=1&d=1623128904)

(https://www.yenko.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=195907&stc=1&d=1623128904)

(https://www.yenko.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=195908&stc=1&d=1623128904)

(https://www.yenko.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=195909&stc=1&d=1623128904)

(https://www.yenko.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=195910&stc=1&d=1623129163)
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Post by: RichSS2006 on July 06, 2021, 08:45:38 PM
Can't wait to stop by and see this one.
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Post by: JohnDS on July 11, 2021, 01:19:13 PM
Impressive detailing work James!

Couple of questions:

- For the Conv. Top Latch Catch, satin chrome finish. What did you use to achieve this finish?

- For the top of dash, I understand the original finish suede, flat. Is this the same as the under dash heater box finish?
  Any tips on how to achieve this with the suede additive without having it come out too grainy looking?

Your contributions are tremendously helpful to others striving to replicate factory correct appearances.

Thanks!

John
SR71 -at- comcast.net
Title: Re: L78 M22 pacer - some firewall shots.
Post by: firstgenaddict on July 12, 2021, 03:03:52 PM
JohnDS,
The frosted look is achieved by using 20# of air pressure in a blast cabinet with recycled crushed bottle glass as the medium.
IT takes a little while to get my technique right(dusting from about 8-10" away) in achieving the correct look and of course the air pressure is highly dependent on the size of the orifice on the nozzle.

RE: textured paint
Yes the texture is the same as the heater box inside. If I feel it appears like the texture has too much "grit"- I shoot a coat or two of black without the texture but with flattener added in order to "fill" some of the texture.

James

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Post by: william on July 12, 2021, 06:08:11 PM
I have seen rubber cement goobered over the cowl VIN stamp, same stuff used on the foam pads.
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Post by: Sauron327 on July 13, 2021, 07:02:12 PM
I have used SEM texture paint in quarts, not aerosol, and reduce accordingly to achieve the texture desired, then topcoat. Last year my good friend Chuck Fisher (a few of his over 50 car collection has been in Hot Rod) supplied me with Restoration Shop texture paint to shoot the blackout on one of his Ranchero Hoods. They were textured unlike Mustang hood blackout. Produced a nice consistent finish. Seam sealer is a matter of preference. I use 1K and 2K and many produce various results depending on how it is tooled and wiped with lacquer thinner or wax and grease remover. Lost track of how many tubes I've burned through in 40 years. Have fun.
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Post by: 69Z28-RS on July 13, 2021, 09:53:49 PM
I have seen rubber cement goobered over the cowl VIN stamp, same stuff used on the foam pads.

William?  WHY would someone put rubber cement over the cowl VIN stamp?   Was it an attempt to prevent rust where the vin was stamped???   Does it work?
Title: Re: L78 M22 pacer - some firewall shots.
Post by: william on July 13, 2021, 10:02:08 PM
Probably a crude attempt at rustproofing. Up here in the rust belt, didn't work very well.
Title: Re: L78 M22 pacer - some firewall shots.
Post by: firstgenaddict on August 17, 2021, 03:51:50 AM
Conv alignment wedges
(https://www.yenko.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=200726&stc=1&d=1629169023)

disassembled and cleaned the contacts in the original column ignition switch
(https://www.yenko.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=199516&stc=1&d=1627931931)

(https://www.yenko.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=199517&stc=1&d=1627931931)
cleaned original ducts
(https://www.yenko.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=199518&stc=1&d=1627931931)
original A pillar moldings cleaned all traces of dirt from the grain
(https://www.yenko.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=199519&stc=1&d=1627931931)
same with the dash grab handle - which was so grimy and sticky it looked like it had honey on it.
(https://www.yenko.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=199520&stc=1&d=1627931931)
original door glass regulators cleaned and gearboxes relubed
(https://www.yenko.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=199521&stc=1&d=1627931931)
kick panel sealer... I doubt you could use too much
(https://www.yenko.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=199522&stc=1&d=1627931931)

Pinchweld sealer tape - for well trim.
(https://www.yenko.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=200727&stc=1&d=1629169023)

Glass in and aligned everything works so smoothly.
(https://www.yenko.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=200733&stc=1&d=1629169546)

Top frame on and 98% aligned and working smoothly
(https://www.yenko.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=200731&stc=1&d=1629169546)

(https://www.yenko.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=200734&stc=1&d=1629169899)

cylinders in - since rotated 180 degrees - (fittings were pointed wrong)
(https://www.yenko.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=200732&stc=1&d=1629169546)

Dash mat (firewall pad) fitted along with re-bushed and lubed pedal box.
(https://www.yenko.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=200735&stc=1&d=1629169899)
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Post by: Tinkerr on August 17, 2021, 11:25:52 PM
James, what did you use to clean the goo from the grab handles? Thanks
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Post by: firstgenaddict on August 18, 2021, 02:26:45 AM
I used Scrubbing Bubbles stuff that turns colors when it's done working - and a new stiff tooth brush which I heat the shank and bend the head about 75 degrees - Work in small circles with not a lot of pressure -   
I also use a sonic care tooth brush which I bought just to clean interior parts... it works incredibly for small difficult to reach areas.
Then I will use Sprayaway aerosol window cleaner   - Spray away and a tooth brush is my go to for first attempt at cleaning anything in the interior -


 
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Post by: janobyte on August 18, 2021, 05:24:40 PM
"Autograph your work with excellence"

Prime example👍
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Post by: bobs69z on August 18, 2021, 10:28:57 PM
Great pics!!  And great work!! 
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Post by: firstgenaddict on August 20, 2021, 05:48:36 AM
Here is how I bend a tooth brush and how I hold it... it allows application of light pressure on the head and by using small circular patterns both clock wise and anti clock wise you can really clean very well.

Light pressure allows the ends of the bristles to get into the grain and work, heavy pressure rolls the ends of the bristles over and negates their ability to "pick" dirt out of the recesses.
Title: Re: L78 M22 pacer - some firewall shots.
Post by: firstgenaddict on August 24, 2021, 09:04:52 PM
A few more of the firewall from inside and also the header molding satin finish break line.
(https://www.yenko.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=201368&stc=1&d=1629838731)

(https://www.yenko.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=201369&stc=1&d=1629838731)

(https://www.yenko.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=201371&stc=1&d=1629838731)
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Post by: uscrichter on August 24, 2021, 10:58:40 PM
I'm curious, what do the letters/numbers represent just above the heater box on the firewall in the engine compartment? I had found numbers as I was bead blasting my firewall recently, but not sure what they represent? By the way nice job of keeping them looking obscure as they were underneath the factory blackout and barley show through.   
Title: Re: L78 M22 pacer - some firewall shots.
Post by: firstgenaddict on August 25, 2021, 12:36:46 AM
Found on this firewall were M22 ZL2 Z22 N10 D80 and WHITE.
ALSO above the heaterbox there could be the sequence number for the chevrolet side of operations- which is also on the heaterbox and the fuel tank (22 is on this car's heaterbox, didn't see a 22 on the firewall)
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Post by: firstgenaddict on August 27, 2021, 11:33:13 PM
Firewall and cowl going together...

(https://www.yenko.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=201704&stc=1&d=1630106927)
(https://www.yenko.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=201703&stc=1&d=1630106927)
(https://www.yenko.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=201702&stc=1&d=1630106927)
(https://www.yenko.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=201701&stc=1&d=1630106927)
Title: Re: L78 M22 pacer - some firewall shots.
Post by: firstgenaddict on September 13, 2021, 10:55:56 PM
Drivers Windshield header detail...
(https://www.yenko.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=202581&stc=1&d=1630959887)

Original rad support dated 7th week.
(https://www.yenko.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=202579&stc=1&d=1630959887)

Converted std watershields to DLX version with plastic "cups" for the DLX door handle releases
(https://www.yenko.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=202577&stc=1&d=1630959887)

Building up the rad support with wiring, vacuum hoses, and HL washer hoses.
(https://www.yenko.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=202578&stc=1&d=1630959887)

Pass side of rad support
(https://www.yenko.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=202576&stc=1&d=1630959887)

Drivers side of rad support -- will be changing the HL harness plug to original brown ones.
(https://www.yenko.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=202575&stc=1&d=1630959887)

Mated the subframe and the body up.
(https://www.yenko.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=203033&stc=1&d=1631570351)

trans and floors.
(https://www.yenko.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=203034&stc=1&d=1631570351)
Title: Re: L78 M22 pacer - some firewall shots.
Post by: 70z28lt1 on September 15, 2021, 07:15:59 PM
Is your fan on backwards??
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Post by: firstgenaddict on September 15, 2021, 09:47:35 PM
Is your fan on backwards??
It is, the engine trans sub frame assembly was delivered to me as pictured.
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Post by: 70z28lt1 on September 15, 2021, 11:51:21 PM
That's funny!  Maybe even work better!  Hidden 5 HP.
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Post by: Dusk Blue Z on September 17, 2021, 01:47:49 PM
Thanks for the detail pictures of the RS equipment on the core support. I'll reference those when I build out my Z10.

Mike