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Camaro Research Group Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: bertfam on March 13, 2021, 04:13:29 PM

Title: Amazing how a car can go from "restored" to "original" in just a few years!
Post by: bertfam on March 13, 2021, 04:13:29 PM
Back in 2006, we had THIS CAR (https://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/ctd/d/denison-survivor-1968-camaro-ss396-only/7290469707.html) on Craigslist (and also on EBAY (https://www.ebay.com/itm/1968-Chevrolet-Camaro-SS396/114724692686?hash=item1ab61fe2ce:g:B0UAAOSwigZgS-hY)) in the database as a "very nice restored car". Then, in 2008 it showed up on ebay with very little information other than it "has been repainted".

And now, it's suddenly a "totally original unrestored" car! (However, as you can clearly see by the pictures, it's HARDLY original!)

VIN is 124378N322875 and yes, it's a nice car, but again, offered by a flipper and VERY misrepresented.

How many things can YOU find wrong with a "totally original unrestored" car!!??

Before and after pictures of the rear springs in 2008 and the rear springs now. Also, aftermarket wheels in 2008 and base wheels now. And there's a lot more...

Don't get me wrong, it's a very nice car with original POP, engine, etc..., but telling someone it's totally original just irks me.

Ed
Title: Re: Amazing how a car can go from "restored" to "original" in just a few years!
Post by: Z282NV on March 13, 2021, 04:45:18 PM
It's a dealer, not very many of them are that upfront about what they know about the cars they sell. The rare few that do are reputable and either know there stuff and if they don't they take the initative to find out from those that do. Don't let it get to you Ed, it's a losing battle.
Title: Re: Amazing how a car can go from "restored" to "original" in just a few years!
Post by: maroman on March 13, 2021, 06:28:49 PM
And many many people think if it looks right it is original. They don't associate redone, repainted, restored. And many think you can change to BB,Z-28, or add RS or SS, and no one will ever know.
Title: Re: Amazing how a car can go from "restored" to "original" in just a few years!
Post by: GMAD_Van Nuys on March 13, 2021, 08:10:21 PM
I doubt that the gas tank on this Camaro looked that nice when it rolled off the assembly line at the Norwood Plant.  I wish the exhaust on my 1979 Trans Am looked as good as this car, and it has been in California since being built at the Van Nuys Plant.
Title: Re: Amazing how a car can go from "restored" to "original" in just a few years!
Post by: rich69rs on March 14, 2021, 01:26:01 AM
Auction ended - "item no longer available"

Richard
Title: Re: Amazing how a car can go from "restored" to "original" in just a few years!
Post by: BillOhio on March 14, 2021, 02:51:59 PM
Saw a guy on FB today asking what he should do after he has bought what was advertised as a L89 and not he found the block is restamped and I believe it had a fake protecto plate.  Dealer sold it to him.  Had to be expensive mistake. 
Title: Re: Amazing how a car can go from "restored" to "original" in just a few years!
Post by: Z282NV on March 14, 2021, 04:08:18 PM
Saw a guy on FB today asking what he should do after he has bought what was advertised as a L89 and not he found the block is restamped and I believe it had a fake protecto plate.  Dealer sold it to him.  Had to be expensive mistake.

FB would be the last place I would go asking for advice. If he shelled out big bucks and has proof that the car has been misrepresented then he should call his lawyer.
Title: Re: Amazing how a car can go from "restored" to "original" in just a few years!
Post by: firstgenaddict on March 14, 2021, 07:04:06 PM
Saw a guy on FB today asking what he should do after he has bought what was advertised as a L89 and not he found the block is restamped and I believe it had a fake protecto plate.  Dealer sold it to him.  Had to be expensive mistake.

FB would be the last place I would go asking for advice. If he shelled out big bucks and has proof that the car has been misrepresented then he should call his lawyer.

This site, almost certainly, will be in your search results for first gen camaro information. Searching and doing just a little due diligence should turn up one or more of the following CRG, team camaro, or Yenko.net in relation to 67-69 hi perf Camaros. IMHO If buyers found any of these sites and were to ask a few questions, MANY cases of buyers remorse could be prevented.
Title: Re: Amazing how a car can go from "restored" to "original" in just a few years!
Post by: BillOhio on March 15, 2021, 01:43:32 AM
I think the guy on FB was hoping someone gave him a lawyers name.  Several came up with the same guy. 
I agree these guys are not doing much homework
Title: Re: Amazing how a car can go from "restored" to "original" in just a few years!
Post by: Kelley W King on March 15, 2021, 11:32:38 AM
Some of the restorations or facelifts on these cars were done so long ago they start looking "original".
Title: Re: Amazing how a car can go from "restored" to "original" in just a few years!
Post by: MO on March 15, 2021, 09:41:48 PM
This is the reason for disclaimers such as "believed to be". Add to that statement whatever applies, such as, drivetrain, mileage, original, etc.. I guess that is an escape clause?
Title: Re: Amazing how a car can go from "restored" to "original" in just a few years!
Post by: 67conv6cyl on March 15, 2021, 10:16:13 PM
This is a good reason to have Jerry certify any hi dollar rare original   “believed to be” before you buy.
I bet he would cost less then a lawyer on a long dragged out law suit! Also should help your heirs when they go to sell in the future!
Title: Re: Amazing how a car can go from "restored" to "original" in just a few years!
Post by: crossboss on March 16, 2021, 05:10:09 PM
A long time wealthy car collector friend of mine always states: "No documentation, no premium". I agree what has been mentioned, get a qualified person to inspect ANY potential car you intend to purchase....especially a big dollar car.