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Camaro Research Group Discussion => Decoding/Numbers => Topic started by: Z282NV on February 12, 2021, 09:12:06 PM
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There sure seems to be a rash of black 69 Z28's popping up lately. Thoughts on this one?
Looks like 10D car with late September DZ block.
The air cleaner seal is not installed correctly that's for sure.
VIN : 124379N703782
https://www.webeautos.com/details-1969-chevrolet-camaro-z28_rs-used-124379n703782.html
(https://cdn.motorcar.com/used-1969-chevrolet-camaro-z28rs-8031-20337733-89-1024.jpg)
(https://cdn.motorcar.com/used-1969-chevrolet-camaro-z28rs-8031-20337733-92-1024.jpg)
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I don’t like the tag.
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There will be a real black 1969 Z28 coming up for sale in auction in the near future. And it has RED interior. Possibly one of the most highly desired combinations.
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I don’t like the tag.
No reason to. Repro.
I have photos of two other V0923DZ stamps. This one does not match.
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https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-for-sale/chevrolet/camaro/2460207.html
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That’s the one. Freshly inspected.
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Ahhhhh geez, not again. ::) lol!!!
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There was a recent case where it was found that the seller had removed the trim tag from a 1969 Z28 and changed the tag to show that the exterior color was black:
http://www.vintageautomotive.net/?tag=trim-tag
Although I didn't start working at GMAD Van Nuys until we were building the second generation Camaros and Firebirds, I can't recall a time when someone had to replace a trim tag. I actually had the opportunity to make a few replacement VIN tags that were damaged in the assembly plant, but we would only do so if we were given the original VIN tag first as we had to account for each tag and send the damaged tag back to GM in Detroit.
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Yes. That is a true story. I know some of the people involved.
So the moral of the story is - do not mess with trim tags! And if you change one, expect someone to take you to court!!
I know a lot of people don’t like Burnished Brown, but with white stripes I REALLY like it!
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The subject car from the OP is indeed beautiful, but the repro tag would put me off for good.
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Yes. That is a true story. I know some of the people involved.
So the moral of the story is - do not mess with trim tags! And if you change one, expect someone to take you to court!!
I know a lot of people don’t like Burnished Brown, but with white stripes I REALLY like it!
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I know I do Bryon!
Buddy
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If I ever have a chance to buy a Burnished Brown Camaro or Nova, I hope I can get it.
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I think if you check paint codes at cruise ins you might find one under a respray. I look at codes on red or black cars just to see if it is the factory color. Many are not and the owners do not even know what the paint codes mean. I kind of like bb myself. Saw Buddy,s car at a Raliegh NC show years ago and it just stuck.
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Good idea.
There was a BB 1969 SS 350 4 speed Nova that I looked at maybe 18 or so years ago. No engine or trans but the 12 bolt was there and the flies, trunk and body were very solid. Had gone to look at a Chevelle. The Chevelle was not in acceptable condition in my opinion, and the guy wouldn’t sell the Nova.
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The Black 69 Z28 from post #5
Engine: V0331DZ assembly date, “618” block, cast C219, special performance 302-290 hp V-8, original engine to vehicle
Transmission: P9D08A assm date, #3925660 case, vin stamped 19N628593, correct replacement Muncie 4-spd M20
transmission, not original to vehicle
Rear Axle: BV0225G1 assm date, 12-bolt rear axle, positract 4.10 ratio, casting date A39, #860NF, original axle to vehicle
Documentation: None, an NCRS shipping data report is recommended for this vehicle
Paint Condition: Very good, repainted in the original Tuxedo black color with white Z28 stripes, nice attention to detail
Interior Condition: Very good, new reproduction interior, red standard buckets with console & gauges
Engine Bay: Very good, minor issue with service replacement parts, see page two of this report
Under Carriage: Very good, the original floors were replaced, professional installation, no drain plugs in floor pans
Doc
I took out the wrong VIN and reformatted a bit.
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The Black 69 Z28 from post #4 124379L518535
Engine: V0331DZ assembly date, “618” block, cast C219, special performance 302-290 hp V-8, original engine to vehicle
Transmission: P9D08A assm date, #3925660 case, vin stamped 19N628593, correct replacement Muncie 4-spd M20
transmission, not original to vehicle
Rear Axle: BV0225G1 assm date, 12-bolt rear axle, positract 4.10 ratio, casting date A39, #860NF, original axle to vehicle
Doc
Something is wrong. 9L518535 is a blue car and LOS. The car in the Hemmings ad is 124379N628593 X77 NOR car.
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Vin in post 15 is not for the black Z with red interior.
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My apologies, Kurt is correct. Looking at 2 Z28's for a friend. Kurt if possible please correct the VIN in my previous post.
Doc.
I fixed it.
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The black Z28 going to Greensboro is a nice car. Not concourse perfect but does have nice paint and original engine and rear axle. Black with red interior is very, very rare. This car should break the bank. Last fall, a driver LS6 with everything wrong including replacement trans and rear axle went for $135k there.
Many clients are telling me that investors and collectors are back in full force with collectable commodities with the new administration in the white house.
The Greensboro auction has been picking up steam too.
Get out the popcorn,
Jerry
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https://www.gaaclassiccars.com/vehicles/31527/1969-chevrolet-camaro-z28
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One of my customers is there on the regular sending me photos of paperwork asking me to verify cars
That is a killer color combo... it looks so nice.
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This Z28 just hammered at $127k plus the 10%. Not bad for a much smaller auction house.
Jerry
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126,000 and it looked like someone in house bought it. That would be 8%, phone bidder was 10%. They got 11% for online but pretty sure it was not online
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That was not too bad of a deal for both the buyer and seller.
The car is pretty correct as far as finishes etc, I am not sure on pinch point bolts etc however when looking at it - only thing I can't see are the radiator rails - whether they are correct, I cant see the carb numbers etc. Of course it's had style trim added - but it looks really good with it. And where you going to find a Black on Red 69 Z with it's original drive train?
all I can nit pick are a few finish issues -master cyl - paint the Arm washers and bolts -
Personally I would add and a full set of NOS ball joints and Tie rods - and find a mint original red interior or at least door panels and the car would be one of the nicer and more correct restorations.
FWIW When I look at what a car like this sells for I always look for what it would take to correct major items within the paint, stripes, then under car finishes on floors and rails which would take major disassembly to correct - this car really needs little so far as disassembly to correct.
It brings back some really good memories... I really want to take a M20 4.10 Z out and wind it to 6500 in 2nd.
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It did not have the factory transmission which to me isnt as big as the engine but I did have a problem with the floors being replaced and no drain holes. wonder what other sheet metal had been replaced?
It really needed the springs changed and I believe the wheels were repops. Not major things but you hate to get a car that looks that nice on the outside and have to start changing stuff