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Title: New 69 Z28
Post by: usa1ti on September 03, 2020, 02:47:06 PM
I have been looking for a long time and think Ive found a good one. This is a very original 69 Z with all born with driveline. Thanks to this site for a lot of helpful info from the experts. I will post more pics but have been really pleased so far with the original numbers items still on the car and the condition. I don't think the community has ever seen this car as its been in one family since 1970. I bought it from the individual that purchased it from this family in 2008. He says he has only driven it 3X since 08 and I believe it as we had to demo the garage door to get it out. I did get copies of all of the original titles, PoP, tag registrations, owners manual etc. Seems very legit. A fresh look as it is a flat hood no gauge car with aftermarket wheels. I did get all of the original matching YH wheels.

Title: Re: New 69 Z28
Post by: william on September 03, 2020, 03:28:50 PM
Nice find!

Already in the CRG db.
Title: Re: New 69 Z28
Post by: jwbavalon on September 03, 2020, 07:32:01 PM
Congratulations on joining the Z club.
Title: Re: New 69 Z28
Post by: HOT3O2 on September 03, 2020, 09:26:57 PM
Great car, tell us more about it. And of course, more picís. 😁
Title: Re: New 69 Z28
Post by: usa1ti on September 04, 2020, 02:23:23 PM
A few more pics I am taking along the way. Its a very clean unmolested car that drives like a dream. Ive owned several 427 68-69s and like to drive them. I have never owned or driven a 302 car. I have fell in love with this motor and prob put 500 miles on it already. Have just about convinced myself to build a spare 302 and switch out to drive and enjoy. I have a spare 1970 M21. Its an original 3.73 M20 car now. I like the old school look with the wheels, flat hood and Garnet red. Just something different. One odd thing on this car, It has the factory 4 leaf rear and what appears to be the original front springs both match the condition of the rest of the underside. This car really sits lower front and rear than most all other Zs Ive seen. Including the original survivors that should have the same spring drop for age and mileage. My 427 cars I would use a light duty small block spring and it sits similar to that?
Title: Re: New 69 Z28
Post by: 69Z28-RS on September 04, 2020, 02:52:44 PM
In the photo, it sits 'correctly to my eyes for a Z28', but you can measure the rocker height to ground and compare to the factory specs to determine if springs are sagging...
Title: Re: New 69 Z28
Post by: X66 on September 05, 2020, 12:54:09 AM
Awesome find and awesome car. I love the torque thrust wheels. I plan on using those wheels on mine.
Title: Re: New 69 Z28
Post by: z28z11 on September 05, 2020, 04:05:17 AM
Your Z's stance looks fairly similar to this pic of my X77 around 1976. Stock springs, stock YH rallys with F70-15 Goodyears front, H60-15 rears. The only non-stock items on the suspension at this point were the Mr. Gasket traction bars (which did nothing to alter the ride height).

Your X33 is a great find, beautiful car. Enjoy the daylights out of it !

Trying to reduce the image somewhat - first try too large.

Regards,
Steve
Title: Re: New 69 Z28
Post by: usa1ti on September 08, 2020, 07:33:19 PM
A couple of questions for the experts. Im working to get as much of the smaller items back original. 2 things for now, more to come. (1) I have read several threads and am still confused. Is black or silver grill correct? Mine is black. Has never been painted and looks original. (2) Without the build sheet to verify is the NK1 comfort grip steering wheel factory possible on a 05A car? Thanks.
Title: Re: New 69 Z28
Post by: william on September 08, 2020, 08:00:31 PM
Bug eye Z/28s had argent [silver] grilles and headlamp bezels w/body color surround. Original argent grilles were molded in an off-white plastic. Later service replacement grilles were molded in black plastic. RS Z/28s had black grilles except cars painted black; those were argent.

The NK1 Cushioned-Rim [not comfort grip] steering wheel became an option as of April.
Title: Re: New 69 Z28
Post by: Fred Mertz on September 08, 2020, 09:52:03 PM
The front grille appears to be black.  Since it is not an RS it should be silver.
Title: Re: New 69 Z28
Post by: jcabuilder on September 10, 2020, 01:22:15 AM
From my experience the grille was gray with the perimeter the color of the car.  I ordered a 1969 Z28 in the fall of 1968 in Burnish Brown and it came like I explained previously.  I tried to attach a picture of that car and the file was too large to post.  I'll try to PM you with the picture.
Title: Re: New 69 Z28
Post by: z28z11 on September 10, 2020, 01:46:46 AM
Please read this from the Exterior section of the CRG archives, should explain the grille color selection completely.

http://camaros.org/exterior.shtml#1969Grille

Grille is actually Argent Silver, sprayed over a light (opaque white) molded base. Surround was indeed body color. The SS models are noted here, too, as their grille colors were handled slightly differently. If you have any original headlight bezels from an open headlight '69 (not the early SS black ones with chrome highlights), they are a great color guide for the grille. Silver grilles were superseded with black grilles very early - I replaced mine in '78 due to an altercation with an Audi rear bumper, the only grille available from Chevy at that point was black. Even with that, they were only $40.00 some odd dollars, should have bought a few dozen of them. Oh well - hindsight is always 20/20.


Regards,
Steve 
Title: Re: New 69 Z28
Post by: z28z11 on September 10, 2020, 01:56:20 AM
I tried to attach a picture of that car and the file was too large to post.  I'll try to PM you with the picture.

Search online and find the free Light Image Resizer, download it. It effortlessly resizes pics to the max sizes you need for the CRG requirements, it will let you do about 100 free events before you need to commit to buying the software. Pretty slick - and helps you keep the pics coming.

Regards,
Steve
Title: Re: New 69 Z28
Post by: KevinW on September 10, 2020, 01:35:04 PM
Here is a silver grill I put on my 69.  The base plastic color is a light gray, here you can see the Garnet red over spray.

(http://www.fototime.com/A1E35D4039ED688/standard.jpg)

I picked this up at a swap meet and had to fix a bunch of cracks and missing sections with JB weld (color was a good match too!) :) You can see the remains of the Argent silver painted on the center of the grill.

(http://www.fototime.com/16EC4F5A9FD8A45/standard.jpg)

Then paint the center with Argent silver (kinda the same as Rally wheel paint), remember to paint the headlight covers the same Argent. The grill surround and upper stiffener gets body color.

 (http://www.fototime.com/566EF0DF6349C4B/standard.jpg)




Title: Re: New 69 Z28
Post by: firstgenaddict on September 11, 2020, 09:29:02 PM
Congrats on a VERY nice Garnet Red Z28... not much appears to be incorrect under the hood, master cylinder and headers are about the only parts I see... does it have side post or top post battery cables?
Title: Re: New 69 Z28
Post by: usa1ti on September 14, 2020, 12:22:02 PM
Thanks James. We put plenty of miles on it this weekend. It does have a side post battery and cables. That is on my list of things to fix this winter. Its been about a 80/20 split of wins and surprises. I didn't get into verifying every item on the car before I bought it. When I verified the block, transmission and rearend to the PoP I was going after it. It does have the original date correct starter, alternator, water pump which would be the things I would expect to fail and be replaced in 50 years. I thought I had a win with the spare tire. I do have 5 matching YH date correct rims and they all match to the exact day. The spare tire I thought was original and is a Goodyear Polyglas which I don't think is very common. When I did more research on the tire date code it turned out to be week 48 1971. 
Title: Re: New 69 Z28
Post by: 69Z28-RS on September 14, 2020, 01:35:26 PM
USA1Ti:   What did you mean when you wrote... 

"It does have a side post battery and cables. That is on my list of things to fix this winter"

What are your plans to 'fix' that???   May '69 is approximately when they switched from top terminal to side terminal batteries/cables.  Your car is a May car?  Do you know the exact date of mfg?  With the VIN you can tell within a day or two.   The battery may be a later battery, but does your car have the original side post cables?   (Those are very difficult to find apparently as I've had several offers for the original ones from my car- not taken of course!).. :)

Can you post photos?
Title: Re: New 69 Z28
Post by: usa1ti on September 14, 2020, 02:48:46 PM
I will check the cables tonight and get a pic. I had originally thought all of 69 was top post and 70 went to side so with that when I saw the side post I didn't bother to look at cables. My fix for original parts on my previous cars and this one is usually Charlotte Auto Fair, Ebay and Atlanta swap meet + some local ones. Usually can find a lot of good original stuff. For now its Ebay and my garage hoarding until the swap meets open back up.
Title: Re: New 69 Z28
Post by: x66 714 on September 14, 2020, 03:12:53 PM
Look here...Joe

http://www.camaros.org/underhood.shtml#Batteries
Title: Re: New 69 Z28
Post by: usa1ti on September 14, 2020, 11:50:29 PM
Looks like I may be in luck but I never considered side post in 69. Itís an early May 05A car. VIN 642944
Title: Re: New 69 Z28
Post by: 69Z28-RS on September 15, 2020, 02:14:37 AM
Those are original GM side post cables (The reproductions do not have the Delco EYE on them as yours do).   I could refer the folks who inquired about buying mine to you if you want to remove them and install a top post battery..???   (but in my estimation, you'd be foolish to do so)...  :)      Let me know  :)

Your VIN was most likely built on 15 May 1969.

Title: Re: New 69 Z28
Post by: firstgenaddict on September 15, 2020, 02:22:37 AM
Those are the original cables.. and very valuable, the reproductions do not have the DELCO EYE on the cable end. They have a PLUS or MINUS.
It even has the ORIGNAL POSITIVE BATTERY BOLT... the dished face along with the 7/16" hex.
The negative bolt has been changed because the original bolt has a 7/16" hex with 5/16" threads - they discontinued this in favor of the 3/8" threads on both pos and neg within a year.
Title: Re: New 69 Z28
Post by: firstgenaddict on September 15, 2020, 02:31:21 AM
FWIW the M20 3.73 combo is a great combo for the car, it is a better effective first gear (9.3996) than a M21 with a 4.10.  (9.02)
A M21 with a 3.73 (8.206) will feel like you are dragging an anchor compared to the M20.
Title: Re: New 69 Z28
Post by: 69Z28-RS on September 15, 2020, 02:50:25 AM
FWIW the M20 3.73 combo is a great combo for the car, it is a better effective first gear (9.3996) than a M21 with a 4.10.  (9.02)
A M21 with a 3.73 (8.206) will feel like you are dragging an anchor compared to the M20.

I totally agree with this....   :)     
Title: Re: New 69 Z28
Post by: roadster on September 15, 2020, 07:56:43 PM
Very nice car . Congrats ! Could you specify the dates on the yh rims ? Thanks .
Title: Re: New 69 Z28
Post by: usa1ti on September 16, 2020, 12:45:18 AM
All 5 YH wheels are January 10 1969. All have the original paint.