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Title: Decisions Decisions
Post by: Fanthomgreen69 on January 29, 2020, 01:47:51 PM
This has been discussed before. Am having my 2/69 X77 painted. When I bought it 5 years ago it had the Z/21 chrome already installed. Had to decide if I wanted to take it back to original so i made the decision. I told the painter to weld up the holes at the gills to bring it back to original. Hope I am doing the right thing. Read comments from other owners. Itís your car do it your way. Will probably catch flak from friends for doing this, but I want to do right by the car and take it as close to factory original as I can.
Charles
Title: Re: Decisions Decisions
Post by: bcmiller on January 29, 2020, 01:55:37 PM
I think it was a wise choice. But itís your car. Glad you did what YOU wanted to do!
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Post by: 67conv6cyl on January 29, 2020, 02:04:42 PM
I am a total purist....however I really really like the look of the chrome...so I think I would keep it and that is very hard for me to say.......I feel your pain.

Sorry if I had confused you even more!
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Post by: x66 714 on January 29, 2020, 02:06:25 PM
Doing them back to how they were original is always a good thing. I'm doing my X66 car back to how it left the factory which meant filling in several holes from style trim, rally sport, power windows, ducted hood, spoilers, & rear antenna. Think twice before you drill a hole. I learned the hard, expensive way...Joe
Title: Re: Decisions Decisions
Post by: 67conv6cyl on January 29, 2020, 02:08:01 PM
I forgot to point out...I would only keep it because the holes are already there.
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Post by: william on January 29, 2020, 02:26:31 PM
Been involved with 69s for almost 45 years. Have a number of close colleagues in the hobby. All of us have the same opinion about added style trim or added anything for that matter: doesn't belong on the car. Can't tell you how many Z/28s in my db have the same note-X77, added style trim. Always a ding for me.

Ask yourself this: If you were restoring a Gibb ZL1 [all X44] would you add Z21? Of course not.

Congratulations for doing the right thing Charles!
Title: Re: Decisions Decisions
Post by: ko-lek-tor on January 29, 2020, 03:20:05 PM
What he (William)said.
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Post by: lakeholme on January 29, 2020, 03:33:07 PM
Charles, congratulations on your decision.
Actually, taking it back to "factory" is always a good decision in my book.  :D
If at some point your decide to sell the car, you have definitely done no harm.

Don't forget to post pictures when the work is done!
Title: Re: Decisions Decisions
Post by: x77-69z28 on January 29, 2020, 04:43:10 PM
Charles, you will not be disappointed. I added everything Z21 on my X77 car back in 82 when I last painted it. EXCEPT the gills! For this reason. Never wanted to fill the holes. Of course, I have removed everything since then. If you are young enough to be able to post pics (I am not!) please do!
Buddy
Title: Re: Decisions Decisions
Post by: R68GTO on January 30, 2020, 03:29:36 AM
My X44 car is under resto.  Reversed all the x11 cues that were added in the late '70's.  No regrets.
Title: Re: Decisions Decisions
Post by: z28z11 on January 31, 2020, 02:23:10 AM
I never added the gills to my X77, although I like them on my Z11. I think the general consensus is correct - if your going to restore one, make it like it was. If you don't have the inclination or the need to change it back, then enjoy it like it is. They'll turn heads and draw admiration any way you look at them -

Steve
Title: Re: Decisions Decisions
Post by: z28z11 on January 31, 2020, 02:32:05 AM
Joe,

Doing them back to how they were original is always a good thing. I'm doing my X66 car back to how it left the factory which meant filling in several holes from style trim, rally sport, power windows, ducted hood, spoilers, & rear antenna. Think twice before you drill a hole. I learned the hard, expensive way...Joe

Did your X66 have the quarter gills ? I don't want to tip the can over again (I've mentioned before), but I can't find where there were ever any holes drilled in my quarters, both appear original to the car. Pre-X code L78, original VIN'd block. The quandary is here, too - if all SS's had gills, then should I install them on restoring this one ?

Steve

Title: Re: Decisions Decisions
Post by: KurtS on January 31, 2020, 02:49:21 AM
Yes, they should be on the car. I know of cars that had them removed by the dealer!
Title: Re: Decisions Decisions
Post by: z28z11 on January 31, 2020, 02:58:55 AM
Yes, they should be on the car. I know of cars that had them removed by the dealer!

I resigned to that fact during our previous threads - I guess I still hold out hope that it's an "overlook" car, but that in itself is a pipe dream - no way to ever prove it. Car has changed color and hands more than several times in it's life, probably removed at the dealer or very early. Both sides match. no filler or braze evident on the inside of the quarters.

I have accumulated a couple of original gill sets, they'll find their way onto it eventually.

Thanks, Kurt -
Steve
Title: Re: Decisions Decisions
Post by: x66 714 on January 31, 2020, 03:18:14 AM
Joe,

Doing them back to how they were original is always a good thing. I'm doing my X66 car back to how it left the factory which meant filling in several holes from style trim, rally sport, power windows, ducted hood, spoilers, & rear antenna. Think twice before you drill a hole. I learned the hard, expensive way...Joe

Did your X66 have the quarter gills ? I don't want to tip the can over again (I've mentioned before), but I can't find where there were ever any holes drilled in my quarters, both appear original to the car. Pre-X code L78, original VIN'd block. The quandary is here, too - if all SS's had gills, then should I install them on restoring this one ?

Steve


They didn't get removed. They're supposed to be there on a SS....Joe
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Post by: 70L34 on January 31, 2020, 03:19:05 AM
Personally, I love the look of the X77 chrome-less quarter depressions so I would have made the same decision as well.
Title: Re: Decisions Decisions
Post by: Fanthomgreen69 on January 31, 2020, 11:08:53 AM
Thanks guys for all of the input both pro and con. Guess Iíll see how my decision goes when I start taking it out this spring and summer. Canít wait to see the reaction from friends and relatives who last saw it as an X33 car and now will see it as a ďPlain JaneĒ basic Z/28.  As someone posted in an earlier thread, it is my car and this is the way I want it to look.
Charles
Title: Re: Decisions Decisions
Post by: JoeC on January 31, 2020, 02:30:07 PM
if original baby pictures are ever found , you will be happy that you restored it to original 
Title: Re: Decisions Decisions
Post by: firstgenaddict on February 01, 2020, 06:37:42 PM


Did your X66 have the quarter gills ? I don't want to tip the can over again (I've mentioned before), but I can't find where there were ever any holes drilled in my quarters, both appear original to the car. Pre-X code L78, original VIN'd block. The quandary is here, too - if all SS's had gills, then should I install them on restoring this one ?

Steve



Are you saying the ORIGINAL DATED QUARTER PANELS are still installed on your car and there are no quarter trim holes?
Title: Re: Decisions Decisions
Post by: 68camaroz28 on February 02, 2020, 05:01:14 PM
Joe,

Doing them back to how they were original is always a good thing. I'm doing my X66 car back to how it left the factory which meant filling in several holes from style trim, rally sport, power windows, ducted hood, spoilers, & rear antenna. Think twice before you drill a hole. I learned the hard, expensive way...Joe

Did your X66 have the quarter gills ? I don't want to tip the can over again (I've mentioned before), but I can't find where there were ever any holes drilled in my quarters, both appear original to the car. Pre-X code L78, original VIN'd block. The quandary is here, too - if all SS's had gills, then should I install them on restoring this one ?

Steve


Steve, as James asked can you supply more info concerning your non holed quarter panels?

Charles, good move and post when completed.
Title: Re: Decisions Decisions
Post by: Fanthomgreen69 on February 02, 2020, 06:15:17 PM
I definitely will post photos.
Title: Re: Decisions Decisions
Post by: firstgenaddict on February 06, 2020, 04:56:35 PM
The dates for the quarter panels is in the trunk gutter H24 or H15 something like that.
Title: Re: Decisions Decisions
Post by: Fanthomgreen69 on February 14, 2020, 03:48:48 PM
Addional question. Will be painting the X77 no D80 2A NOR car soon. When I bought it 5 years one of the previous owners put the Z21 trim on. Removed that. It also has the front & rear spoilers. Donít know if it originally came with spoilers, but I do want to keep them. Read section on CRG re:spoilers. To keep this as original as I can, should I paint the rear stripes all the way to the back of the trunk lid then install the spoiler so the stripes show on the lip or just assume it came from factory with spoilers and just paint it that way so the stripes donít show on the rear of the trunk.
Charles
Title: Re: Decisions Decisions
Post by: william on February 14, 2020, 04:43:17 PM
If one of the trunk lid torsion bars is thicker [.280"] than the other [.240"] it was built with D80. There will also be a small hole in the front crossmember tab for the center mounting bracket.

If they are both .240" it was not built with D80. When unlocked, the lid will hardly move with an added spoiler.
Title: Re: Decisions Decisions
Post by: x66 714 on February 14, 2020, 05:49:14 PM
Most people who add a rear spoiler don't more the emblem forward so you could look for that also. You should determine if it was there when it left the factory. If not & you want to leave it you could paint it as a dealer installed spoiler where the stripes were on the back. If it wasn't factory, you might even think about painting another lid at the same time just in case you change your mind again :)
...Joe