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Camaro Research Group Discussion => Decoding/Numbers => Topic started by: william on September 30, 2019, 02:02:57 PM
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https://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-Chevrolet-Camaro-Z28/202789623112?hash=item2f37341548:g:8B8AAOSwOxJdkRuc&vxp=mtr
124379N636709
There is no pic of the body tag [or anything else of importance] but seller lists the data:
71 71 713 05A X33D80
The car is clearly Dusk blue. However, if the other data is accurate it is a repro body tag.
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I have seen another fresh paint Dusk Blue 69 with a 71 paint code and the owner swore it was the correct LeMans Blue. I didn't argue, but wonder if there is a paint code out there mislabeled or just coincidence?
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05A with the VIN on the front pad NIIICE!!!!!
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You know, could have used dark grey primer instead of the light grey, LeMans is a fairly transparent color. I think it looks close to Dusk, though. Somebody messed up -
Regards,
Steve
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There is a pic of the trim tag now, and actually the trim tag was the only thing that looked like it may be legit, but after further scrutiny, (and my friend Jacks input) it is in fact a fake tag. Every stamp shown in the pics looked like garbage. Trans was the worst for me, you could actually still see where they cleaned it up and restamped both areas. Of course you have that many parts re-stamped the whole car comes into question including the tags. Too bad it looks nice in the pics. Perfect bait for a buyer that doesn't know any better
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William I assumed you had looked at the VIN vs the build date initially, and that is how you concluded the firewall tag was wrong. ( I know different now) if we are just focused on the build date to VIN, 05A would be correct according to Jerrys book. BUT he states he could be off about 1000 cars, so it sounds like more of a approximation.
I found this site,
http://www.chevy-camaro.com/faq/chevy-camaro-faq-VIN-build-dates.shtm
and according to it, this car looks like it would have been a last week of April car?
Thoughts about VIN to build date and what that website shows vs Jerry's book?
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Tag looks ok to me. But what do I know. Diff, trans and engine stamps don't though.
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No D80 on 05A TT
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All the drivetrain is restamps.
I found this site,
http://www.chevy-camaro.com/faq/chevy-camaro-faq-VIN-build-dates.shtm
Really?? That info has been on this site for decades, literally. http://www.camaros.org/geninfo.shtml#HowMany
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All the drivetrain is restamps.
I found this site,
http://www.chevy-camaro.com/faq/chevy-camaro-faq-VIN-build-dates.shtm
Really?? That info has been on this site for decades, literally. http://www.camaros.org/geninfo.shtml#HowMany
Exactly! I'm fairly certain that the 'creator' of the site posted by Bullitt is someone I know. He's 'created' several sites for automobile enthusiasts, and I'm certain that he 'borrowed' (or stole?) information from sites like CRG to do his sites. He is interested in one thing ($$ Making $$ from the users of the sites) . He fills them up with advertisements to the point of aggravation to the users, and when he can SELL the site he will. Note: The way you SELL such sites is based on your advertising revenue! .. Oh yeah, he also 'sold' memberships to dedicated users of his sites (annual dues) and deserted them when he sold out. I try to make a point to stay away from such sites!
Whereas CRG is the BEST source of 1st generation Camaro information... and the creators/founders do it for the cars and the enthusiasts (not the $$)... at least that's my opinion! :)
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sorry, I went through a couple of links on research and did not run across it here. That link was the first to appear on a google search.
Anyways while 2 people responded that I missed the CRG link, neither addressed my question. It appears this car does not line up for a 05A with the VIN, or are there cases at the end of month where a car could have gotten held up? (does the vin fit with this build date?)
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My info shows it lines up with cars 6367XX that have 04C or 04L Tags. But I am seeing 05A cars starting in the 6375XX range. So only about 800 Vin's apart. That's less than one day's production of 912 per day, correct? Looks OK to me.
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Ok, well that was my question. Since it is off a little it could have been held up. thanks
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N636709 could be an 05A body tag date. When the build order for the body was released at Fisher, the body tag was punched. Somewhere in the late April/early May time frame, a number of tags were stamped 04L. No idea why; maybe there was a reason. I believe they were all done at the same time; then the date revised to 05A. Having worked as a production planner, it is customary to have a queue of released orders to ensure uninterrupted production. Within the queue, some orders have higher priority. No question orders with 05A dates were released from the queue and produced prior to 04L orders.
As completed body assemblies were received at the body bank at Chevrolet final assembly, the last 6 digits of the VIN were assigned. Bodies were then assigned to one of 6 lines in the bank, based on assembly labor. Cars were not built in VIN order. Entirely possible some early N637xxx VINs were final-assembled prior to later N636xxx VINs.
Body tag date is at best, a rough approximation of final assembly. ZL1s #3-#39 have 02D tag dates; none of them were final-assembled in February. Our ’67 Z/28 project has an 06E tag date. The original engine is V0706MO. Car was final-assembled on or about July 12, 1967.
http://www.camaros.org/assemblyprocess.shtml
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If it is legit, and I am not mistaken this would be one of, if not the earliest D80 tag known.
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Well that's the thing right? the tag looks good, but no other D80 are known that early.
Thanks William for the explanation
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Over 100 early/mid May Z/28s in the db. Zero D80 tags.
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Tag needs paint removed with solvent.
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My car is 05A 19N639xxx, no D80 on my tag.
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If you read all the caveats that are listed with the VIN data, they do NOT correlate to build weeks. Or more accurately, build weeks don't always match the calendar.
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One needs to remember that the 'build week' is the 'scheduled build week' which is assigned (by Fisher production) shortly after they get the order from Chevrolet division. Some times it turns out exactly right, but other times 'things' interfere... ie. 'sold' orders take precedence over dealer orders, certain parts shortages, etc...
If you've ever special ordered a car, within a couple of days, the dealer can tell you an 'expected' time, based on the scheduled build week', but as the time draws near when it's being built-, they give you a more exact time.
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Yes, that happens. But that doesn't affect how build weeks fit (or not fit) the calendar.