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Title: Real 1969 z28 ? X33
Post by: sappy787 on September 28, 2019, 07:43:20 AM
Looking to buy this 1968 Z28 camaro but I have read a lot of these cars are faked.

My first concern is the partial vin being stamped on the back of the block by the casting numbers? Isnt this usually on the front engine pad by the build date?

 I have several pictures but don't see where I can add them to this post
Title: Re: Real 1969 z28 ? X33
Post by: sappy787 on September 28, 2019, 07:48:46 AM
Front engine pad stamp is V0508DZ

Also a engine code of D 0 9
Title: Re: Real 1969 z28 ? X33
Post by: sappy787 on September 28, 2019, 07:50:06 AM
rear block casting # is 3956618 and what seems weird is the partial vin stamp is to the left of these numbers
Title: Re: Real 1969 z28 ? X33
Post by: x66 714 on September 28, 2019, 11:23:50 AM
Post a picture of the trim tag & the number on the front of the engine....Joe
Title: Re: Real 1969 z28 ? X33
Post by: 69Z28-RS on September 28, 2019, 11:42:20 AM
For part of the model year, some '69 V8 engines had the partial VIN stamped into the rough casting area near/above the oil filter boss rather than the front pad.  It's pretty difficult to read the partial VIN when on the rough casting area.
Title: Re: Real 1969 z28 ? X33
Post by: sappy787 on September 28, 2019, 12:03:45 PM
Trim tag
Title: Re: Real 1969 z28 ? X33
Post by: sappy787 on September 28, 2019, 12:05:12 PM
The vin stamping seems like the 1 doesn't line up to the rest of the partial vin? Any chance its re stamped?
Title: Re: Real 1969 z28 ? X33
Post by: william on September 28, 2019, 12:05:52 PM
Chevrolet primarily used 3 different block castings for the 4" bore [302, 350] small-block over the 1969 model year: 3932386, 3956618, 3970010. Each was used for a certain time frame. I have never seen a May-built DZ engine with a 3956618 casting.

VIN is a very bad re-stamp.
Title: Re: Real 1969 z28 ? X33
Post by: sappy787 on September 28, 2019, 12:06:07 PM
block code
Title: Re: Real 1969 z28 ? X33
Post by: sappy787 on September 28, 2019, 12:09:52 PM
Also would a 04C on the trim tag be to early for a V0508DZ stamp?
Title: Re: Real 1969 z28 ? X33
Post by: william on September 28, 2019, 12:25:14 PM
The VIN stamp appears to be 19N634823. That VIN was final-assembled on or about April 28, 1969.
Title: Re: Real 1969 z28 ? X33
Post by: rszmjt on September 28, 2019, 03:07:26 PM
D-0-9 cast date?  Didnt know there was a 0 Day .
Title: Re: Real 1969 z28 ? X33
Post by: z28z11 on September 28, 2019, 03:40:02 PM
Gotta be one of the smoothest castings I have ever seen in the filter area. Deburring and de-flashing guys at the foundry must have taken hours to do that one area - not.

Questionable to say the least. JMO -

Regards,
Steve
Title: Re: Real 1969 z28 ? X33
Post by: sappy787 on September 28, 2019, 04:28:30 PM
Thanks Steve. im leaning on passing on it as of right now
Title: Re: Real 1969 z28 ? X33
Post by: sappy787 on September 28, 2019, 04:31:07 PM
Actually after looking at the vin stamping it is a brighter shade of orange as it appears on that one spot that got repainted? Maybe just me mind scaring me away from this car.
Title: Re: Real 1969 z28 ? X33
Post by: sappy787 on September 28, 2019, 08:53:26 PM

Actually after looking at the vin stamping it is a brighter shade of orange as it appears on that one spot that got repainted? Maybe just my mind scaring me away from this car.
Title: Re: Real 1969 z28 ? X33
Post by: ZLP955 on September 28, 2019, 11:27:52 PM
Block cast date looks like D 10 9 to me.
Title: Re: Real 1969 z28 ? X33
Post by: Danzo on September 29, 2019, 12:11:26 AM
Sure spent a lot of time to "create" that VIN
Title: Re: Real 1969 z28 ? X33
Post by: rare396bronze on September 29, 2019, 02:30:20 AM
Vin stamping area way to smooth.  The one block I have you have a magnifying glass to read the vin. I would pass on it.
Title: Re: Real 1969 z28 ? X33
Post by: jcabuilder on November 02, 2019, 02:19:32 AM
I know you can buy new cowl tags including the correct pop rivets.  Did you clean the area that looks brighter orange?  If you like the car and the car is something you can afford then buy it and enjoy it.  Maybe its not totally original but something that you will enjoy driving and going to cruise night and car shows. Test drive it and look it over close.  How are the floor and trunk pans, how is the wiring, does it steer good or does it wonder.  Plan on spending more than the purchase price to make it your car. If you want to verify all the casting numbers foer all of the parts they are available on this website.