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Camaro Research Group Discussion => Restoration => Topic started by: Edgemontvillage on September 06, 2019, 05:18:43 PM

Title: 1969 Brake Line Retainer Clips - Finishes
Post by: Edgemontvillage on September 06, 2019, 05:18:43 PM: I'm working on restoring (if possible) the brake line clips on my 69 Z/28 project and want to see if I can duplicate the original, translucent blue finish often seen on the 3/8" clips (as well as the finishes on the other clips). From threads I've read it seems many have tried however I haven't run across a product or technique that comes really close to the original translucent blue so I'm going wade in. When I disassembled my car I didn't take photos of the translucent blue clip finish which is sometimes preserved and appears on the inside of original clips. If anyone has photos - please post them here. Below are the clips available from Camaro parts vendors. The 3/8" clips appear to be an opaque phosphate blue finish or ? and I haven't previously come across a green clip on the cars I've worked on? For the black open hoop clips I'm interested to know if they are were originally painted (semi-gloss black) or finished with black oxide? Would appreciate your photos and input.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48688746927_c796587faa_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2hbsyaV) (https://flic.kr/p/2hbsyaV) (https://www.flickr.com/photos/156633854@N02/)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48688746977_a5ccfaa4ff_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2hbsybM) (https://flic.kr/p/2hbsybM) (https://www.flickr.com/photos/156633854@N02/)
Title: Re: 1969 Brake Line Retainer Clips - Finishes
Post by: firstgenaddict on September 06, 2019, 09:26:29 PM: Lloyd,
The olive colored clips appear to be OLIVE CHROMATE CONVERSION OF ZINC - Olive chromate is the most durable chromate conversion of ZINC.

I used TESTORS OLIVE GREEN - it was a semitranslucent color...
With the Blue I used blue toner mixed with some clear in order to make it translucent like the originals appear.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/kyvsKy8TO7u-nP5-YhTFLtJV27mhAGsJwM4NqrAN6TacGy30_8hoQK-GBLHL4xz4fvxxS35zn7aG8co1wmV6FKEKkcYw60Y71PIBzScYaIQtp2v4PmbaUN7uOm77gXTM-ILqabeBXbBy627EHtBKrwLk17XwNiiuPNn-5hwrQHDYAdOpmNk2xkx7Gs6569BUUtMbu-boXdsHxMi2jxmoCchKW00xTV5keELLGBiQszkTgSmY_JdJMkZvikGVz7yzmbMal_U9AUucYAflmUNhP0NtcWnC3Xct4p87PfgOx9M_BQrwHZxUvptf-mHiyaccMWn-ur4Y9UmfrnV9P5or5pncsa4Cc8I8cqoFE_58rr-z5gwU2WlDbhDYH5eQ5m5jOmZBDEmikH8HvklYbRH_KiJ238Q8jkwaMLqoJaLCE-7P8Md_jLMcFKUNudafxuOnMoOUowmqxJO_LYqu8ack3fmYfXEMHRdvlgzfao-MvCHrKgJiLLD7_NY2YGY918kFWaE1RJQj5IpMvHBFMmYaK3ePZroJ4-mo4kLHoAIPAR-diO-gdbLGu4HIOnENNktRib9zpuqU2KDoNbssIT3UBskDC-NIYR5yeCVbzJyZkI_HjzYVN8ryKsNtNJ7CYFkApaiaYigoTjEszglk1nJMweN3DlSiE_RFaYvXEQVNb9mWJ-kp2sYXhaZcSwADmhtcPjGKiBQvZ36aBCAquOjzQEFGhGMKT2hOJ-v5kJqxeXhJGbNC=w1002-h1065-no)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/54WRR_L-Pd_tLC0E9Kqitly_R9kIaBdo8boJcb1PM2Y8NWTIOn1TBljxao2S0Dg5t06SuV2A-Lptr_xZranNArN8gf99SlbsVuiQPzuiZb_uJ5j_yUBaIenBDDejei1UY9vyJXce855ApQP3YYOS772Mt2wdWjG3IURr0dK3K6ho9g9drpX58Bi3mpm_bbzgswUnmunrkdSqVYANkjsEzwYEoaCurfNFGK2xiMnlWHTQMLiElKLfkcWQVSxjf_3ohxzJIVvSKNmWUPxEr0lppQi7s8EGv9g4a4X7yf_oE4tVjHscR2aXbQEzZA8Os1j8CWybVdXht0KpsfwbXyrf9BTW3ecAuAmIZ4caoGBUqfCGLEqtunfx2mYPurVqB1UHUbOxfh_QFSPAwG6MxgX2SIDWCHRj-aTC9H7KZd25ty4zSR2P4zZjEahtM88cOWfHfBNbPCkqam3UqgzLad7Mz0eqkrbIeJwFqcvgpZSPyjkio7mAFyIgZslu1wASJ6XMml0vGSQqTQlk69TNDGlAwJNw2WPLle3pMwDeX2hEi-FvF-jH3OQANMPcoGKd0fJgC46kj_hLf-0F6FX3XXgqcTlmI-xNdXWU6dga38Z3VQVe8gV8JPvza8I8pNmlTZb7q_gCvwiRzr21qIQ_7949ligtG3Q_oBYXjaHK2Q_1Y7fCIoUoWg6tELfbSyh1leiib6pqQHPZu87qJEk4Sk_bJYF9WXB5vX6D_dJ_VWqBOUZ-wGG4=w867-h1154-no)

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Title: Re: 1969 Brake Line Retainer Clips - Finishes
Post by: Edgemontvillage on September 06, 2019, 11:24:24 PM: Thanks for posting James, do you have any photos of the translucent blue clips?
Title: Re: 1969 Brake Line Retainer Clips - Finishes
Post by: firstgenaddict on September 07, 2019, 02:49:20 AM: That's the 5/16... you can only see traces on the photos here... I do not think I have photos after they were refinished.
Title: Re: 1969 Brake Line Retainer Clips - Finishes
Post by: ZLP955 on September 07, 2019, 03:04:37 AM: Lloyd there are some photos showing blue on the protected areas of original clips in this post, scroll down past the body mount pictures to see the clips:
http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=16303.msg160787#msg160787
Looks more of a solid color than a translucent.
Title: Re: 1969 Brake Line Retainer Clips - Finishes
Post by: Edgemontvillage on September 07, 2019, 04:01:34 PM: I had another look through my brake parts from the disassembly and located a single brake clip that shows the blue finish. In this example its translucent.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48691921631_712c57f9de_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2hbJPUc) (https://flic.kr/p/2hbJPUc) (https://www.flickr.com/photos/156633854@N02/)
Title: Re: 1969 Brake Line Retainer Clips - Finishes
Post by: Edgemontvillage on September 07, 2019, 04:19:33 PM: Quote from: ZLP955 on September 07, 2019, 03:04:37 AM
Lloyd there are some photos showing blue on the protected areas of original clips in this post, scroll down past the body mount pictures to see the clips:
http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=16303.msg160787#msg160787
Looks more of a solid color than a translucent.

Not the best photo however here is the photo of the blue clip from the 11C Norwood car you referenced. Definitely closer to a solid color and a different shade of blue than found on my car (2B Norwood):
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48694145702_601ebe832d_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2hbWe3f) (https://flic.kr/p/2hbWe3f) (https://www.flickr.com/photos/156633854@N02/)
Title: Re: 1969 Brake Line Retainer Clips - Finishes
Post by: Edgemontvillage on September 07, 2019, 05:04:09 PM: Here's my first attempt.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48691581888_17df204eb9_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2hbH5Uy) (https://flic.kr/p/2hbH5Uy) (https://www.flickr.com/photos/156633854@N02/)
Title: Re: 1969 Brake Line Retainer Clips - Finishes
Post by: Hans L on September 07, 2019, 11:10:03 PM: Lloyd - First, I found the reproductions clips to be way off, so I returned the lot . I tried several different finishes, including Dykem Steel Blue. While not perfect and probably not the right material, I found Testors Transparent Blue to be the closest to the factory finish for the clips:

Original Clip:

(https://i1061.photobucket.com/albums/t478/jwlittooy/Camaro%20Components/Fuel%20and%20Brake%20Line%20Clips/BrakeLineClips15_zps5527040e.jpg) (https://s1061.photobucket.com/user/jwlittooy/media/Camaro%20Components/Fuel%20and%20Brake%20Line%20Clips/BrakeLineClips15_zps5527040e.jpg.html)

Refinished Clip:

(https://i1061.photobucket.com/albums/t478/jwlittooy/Camaro%20Components/Fuel%20and%20Brake%20Line%20Clips/FuelBrakeLineClipsRestored2_zpsa8b52b5a.jpg) (https://s1061.photobucket.com/user/jwlittooy/media/Camaro%20Components/Fuel%20and%20Brake%20Line%20Clips/FuelBrakeLineClipsRestored2_zpsa8b52b5a.jpg.html)

All the clips:

(https://i1061.photobucket.com/albums/t478/jwlittooy/Camaro%20Components/Fuel%20and%20Brake%20Line%20Clips/FuelBrakeLineClipsRestored5_zps4469528f.jpg) (http://s1061.photobucket.com/user/jwlittooy/media/Camaro%20Components/Fuel%20and%20Brake%20Line%20Clips/FuelBrakeLineClipsRestored5_zps4469528f.jpg.html)

Used this product - just a light dusting is all it takes:

(https://i1061.photobucket.com/albums/t478/jwlittooy/Camaro%20Components/Fuel%20and%20Brake%20Line%20Clips/TestorsPaint3_zps4687e40c.jpg) (http://s1061.photobucket.com/user/jwlittooy/media/Camaro%20Components/Fuel%20and%20Brake%20Line%20Clips/TestorsPaint3_zps4687e40c.jpg.html)

I'm out this weekend, but when I return, I'll upload an image with the clips installed.
Title: Re: 1969 Brake Line Retainer Clips - Finishes
Post by: firstgenaddict on September 08, 2019, 03:27:44 PM: Quote from: Edgemontvillage on September 07, 2019, 05:04:09 PM
Here's my first attempt.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48691581888_17df204eb9_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2hbH5Uy) (https://flic.kr/p/2hbH5Uy) (https://www.flickr.com/photos/156633854@N02/)

THAT LOOKS GREAT!
Title: Re: 1969 Brake Line Retainer Clips - Finishes
Post by: R68GTO on September 09, 2019, 12:55:04 AM: Here's a comparison of an original fuel line clip off a 15,000 mile car and the retros from HBC.
Title: Re: 1969 Brake Line Retainer Clips - Finishes
Post by: Edgemontvillage on September 09, 2019, 03:38:23 PM: Quote from: firstgenaddict on September 08, 2019, 03:27:44 PM
Quote from: Edgemontvillage on September 07, 2019, 05:04:09 PM
Here's my first attempt.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48691581888_17df204eb9_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2hbH5Uy) (https://flic.kr/p/2hbH5Uy) (https://www.flickr.com/photos/156633854@N02/)

THAT LOOKS GREAT!

Thanks James, I’m using a solvent based metal dye applied with an airbrush. The photo was taken after 3 medium weight coats allowing 10 minutes between coats. I’m going to try again with light coats for coverage however more translucence.
Title: Re: 1969 Brake Line Retainer Clips - Finishes
Post by: 68camaroz28 on September 09, 2019, 04:25:21 PM: Looks good Lloyd but how much shine does it produce. Several years ago I had experimented with good old machinist Dykem Bluing and that seemed to work well with very little work. Easy touch-up if needed also.
Title: Re: 1969 Brake Line Retainer Clips - Finishes
Post by: Edgemontvillage on September 09, 2019, 09:40:11 PM: Quote from: 68camaroz28 on September 09, 2019, 04:25:21 PM
Looks good Lloyd but how much shine does it produce. Several years ago I had experimented with good old machinist Dykem Bluing and that seemed to work well with very little work. Easy touch-up if needed also.

Thanks Chick, it’s a matte gloss with no top coat. What gloss if any are you suggesting?
Title: Re: 1969 Brake Line Retainer Clips - Finishes
Post by: 68camaroz28 on September 17, 2019, 04:17:25 PM: Sorry for delay Lloyd but would guess matte would be my first choice.
Title: Re: 1969 Brake Line Retainer Clips - Finishes
Post by: rsr on October 12, 2019, 01:05:04 AM: here's a mix of originals and some I restored..
Title: Re: 1969 Brake Line Retainer Clips - Finishes
Post by: Edgemontvillage on October 16, 2019, 02:44:34 PM: How did you restore them?
Title: Re: 1969 Brake Line Retainer Clips - Finishes
Post by: rsr on October 27, 2019, 04:22:22 PM: PM sent to you Lloyd
Title: Re: 1969 Brake Line Retainer Clips - Finishes
Post by: 68camaroz28 on November 04, 2019, 01:39:01 AM: Quote from: rsr on October 27, 2019, 04:22:22 PM
PM sent to you Lloyd
Secret?
Title: Re: 1969 Brake Line Retainer Clips - Finishes
Post by: Edgemontvillage on November 04, 2019, 04:13:53 PM: Quote from: 68camaroz28 on November 04, 2019, 01:39:01 AM
Quote from: rsr on October 27, 2019, 04:22:22 PM
PM sent to you Lloyd
Secret?
Chick, rsr stated that he is in the restoration business and reluctant to share proprietary information. I respect his position however have a contrary view. If you want to display your work and deny forum members how to duplicate those results that's not in the spirit of the CRG forum.