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Camaro Research Group Discussion => Originality => Topic started by: bobs69z on June 21, 2019, 04:04:46 PM
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How rare would head light washers be on a 69 non RS Z28? (RPO CE1) I think.
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There were 116 '69s built with CE1. There were 37,773 RS built with them.
No one much cares about head light washers.
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There were 116 '69s built with CE1. There were 37,773 RS built with them.
No one much cares about head light washers.
I respectfully disagree. I may be one of the 37,773 RS owners factory equipped with the CE1, but I took some effort to restore mine and make sure it is correct. Came pretty close to reproducing the valve, even to contacting GM for the licensing routine and securing the prints for the valve, only to have someone beat me to it when I couldn't afford the mold charges. (about $20K then, in the early-mid 90's). If a documented CE1 non-RS car shows up, it's still a rarity no matter what option you prefer. I vote for cool -
Regards,
Steve
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Thanks for the replies.....was just curious. I had seen them on RS Z's. But never on a X77 Z like mine. Thanks Bob
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There were 116 '69s built with CE1. There were 37,773 RS built with them.
No one much cares about head light washers.
I respectfully disagree. I may be one of the 37,773 RS owners factory equipped with the CE1, but I took some effort to restore mine and make sure it is correct. Came pretty close to reproducing the valve, even to contacting GM for the licensing routine and securing the prints for the valve, only to have someone beat me to it when I couldn't afford the mold charges. (about $20K then, in the early-mid 90's). If a documented CE1 non-RS car shows up, it's still a rarity no matter what option you prefer. I vote for cool -
Regards,
Steve
Steve I couldn't agree more, since we're all crazy about what the bolt head markings are on any fastener why isn't the washers being done up right??
lets post up some pictures for the "no ones" who want to detail their cars right (like me)
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I've got a lot of pics in the archives, plus I'm pretty confident in my restoration of the unit that currently graces my Z11. Years back, before the reproduction valves came out (before I could start one), people were paying really stupid money for original units, most of which were in bad shape. You see a lot of washer units either incomplete or missing entirely nowadays, usually a quick way to separate whether RS owners are paying attention to the mandatory details of RS restorations.
I'll be glad to post whatever details you want to see -
Regards,
Steve
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steve,
I for one would like to see some *details* of the correct headlight washer system. I know what is on my car, and I'm sure what is there is original, but I've never 'operated' them so I have idea if I'm missing something?
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I think William was saying that although only 116 non-RS cars were built with the headlight washers, the rarity in this case does not equal alot of value.
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I think William was saying that although only 116 non-RS cars were built with the headlight washers, the rarity in this case does not equal alot of value.
Thank You for correctly interpreting my statement!
In my 44 years in the hobby [99% '69 Camaros] I can't recall any substantive conversation about head light washers. In addition, I worked in the industry [Camaro Parts Exchange] for 14 years. We had used systems; don't recall selling one or having an inquiry. It was hard to find parts back then; much worse now. Not unusual to see a restored RS without it these days.
There are several options that will add value to a restoration. Head light washers isn't one of them.
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I would agree with that statement William. Kinda like a rear defroster or maybe the digilite system. Kinda neat if you have them, but may not find the right buyer to pay extra for it.
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...Kinda like a rear defroster...Kinda neat if you have them, but may not find the right buyer to pay extra for it.
Now, I’m offended. Rear defroster owners unite! 😁
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Another dud was the console mount 8-track. We had several of them, surgically removed by yours truly. Every wire, nut, bolt, screw. All had nice pads, usually cracked & worn. Even the under dash 8-tracks didn't sell. A few years before the owner retired, I filled a crate with every sound system component we had and sold it to some guy in CA.
BTW, I recall selling a '69 Camaro convert rear window defogger for big bucks. Had the rare power top/defogger combo switch bezel.
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...Kinda like a rear defroster...Kinda neat if you have them, but may not find the right buyer to pay extra for it.
Now, I’m offended. Rear defroster owners unite! 😁
Oh God you are going to agitate the UPC (??*) Liquid Chain gang NOW!
RUMBLE!!!!!!
*= I don't care much to memorize the liquid chain RPO, only so many brain cell avail,,,,,,,,
:'(
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Well I guess it is easy for me to irritate everyone else, my cars don't have many options.
Both my cars have Soft Ray Lof glass, so I guess I would be the tinted glass gang? 😂
that's where the big money cars are 8)...lol, if not than the AM radio gang...😉
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Austin. HO is where it’s at
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if we are talking color, I am just fine. Garnet red is not rare by any means, but some colors just set off a car when they are done right.
It would be boring world if there were not so many options on first gens
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There were 116 '69s built with CE1. There were 37,773 RS built with them.
No one much cares about head light washers.
I respectfully disagree. I may be one of the 37,773 RS owners factory equipped with the CE1, but I took some effort to restore mine and make sure it is correct. Came pretty close to reproducing the valve, even to contacting GM for the licensing routine and securing the prints for the valve, only to have someone beat me to it when I couldn't afford the mold charges. (about $20K then, in the early-mid 90's). If a documented CE1 non-RS car shows up, it's still a rarity no matter what option you prefer. I vote for cool -
Regards,
Steve
Steve I couldn't agree more, since we're all crazy about what the bolt head markings are on any fastener why isn't the washers being done up right??
lets post up some pictures for the "no ones" who want to detail their cars right (like me)
Rich,
The fastener statement is exactly the point. Every RS or RS/SS Camaro automatically came with headlight washers, a mandatory inclusion: if you're restoring a car to include bolt head markings and brush strokes in the body sealer, and leave the washer system out or only partially there, then it's affecting your restoration quality. It's a component, like proper bleeder equipped master cylinders and 4053 Holleys.
The other side of it - '69 Corvettes used the same valve for their headlight washers (remember them !), as did Caprice hideaway headlight equipped cars. CE1 optional open headlight cars are very rare to my estimation - if you're documented, it's a plus -
I'll post some pics this weekend - good part about these units, you can duplicate what you need fairly inexpensively nowadays, if you research it.
Regards,
Steve
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Part numbers for the system as found on all RS cars, and CE1 equipped open headlight vehicles:
Wiper motor: GM 5045605 (stamped on end cap of motor and sliver tag as seen in pic. Tag is dated.)
Valve assembly: GM 4919508 (ink stamp on side of solenoid, as seen in pic, dated)
Service parts:
Solenoid coil: GM 4919674 (box stamped only, manufacturer's part number is stamped on coil bracket, see pic)
Valve assembly: GM 4919676 (valve only, discontinued eons ago)
Check valve "T": GM 4919503 (no pic, I forgot to shoot it)
I've pictured the parts that comprise the valve, pretty simple - two valve halves (upper and lower), internal needle and spring, "O" ring gasket, and the screw that holds the coil to the valve body. Most all of the OE valves existing today either have broken the bottom of the lower valve off (very fragile), which then will allow the needle and spring to fall out and disappear. Best bet is to buy a reproduction valve assembly, and either replace the original, or mount the new valve to a replacement motor. Wiring harness is available, valve is available, hose kits and nozzles are available; with a little expenditure and effort you can restore to the level you need.
Regards,
Steve
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Additional pics -
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Rich,
The fastener statement is exactly the point. Every RS or RS/SS Camaro automatically came with headlight washers, a mandatory inclusion: if you're restoring a car to include bolt head markings and brush strokes in the body sealer, and leave the washer system out or only partially there, then it's affecting your restoration quality. It's a component, like proper bleeder equipped master cylinders and 4053 Holleys.
The other side of it - '69 Corvettes used the same valve for their headlight washers (remember them !), as did Caprice hideaway headlight equipped cars. CE1 optional open headlight cars are very rare to my estimation - if you're documented, it's a plus -
I'll post some pics this weekend - good part about these units, you can duplicate what you need fairly inexpensively nowadays, if you research it.
Regards,
Steve
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I know but IMO so little info is ever talked about this system when people restore the cars having owned 2 RS/Zs and a pace car I never had a working system and never seen much on anyone detailing and restoring this nuance system - Hey where's Edgemont village when you need him? :)
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After reading though this it made me go out to look at mine. Seems like everything is there but missing the hoses to the head lights. After 43 years of owning this car I still find stuff I didn’t know about. Great info guys. You keep me on my toes.
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Are there any diagrams or drawings out there on this setup?
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I thought I'd post the photos I've had of my headlight washer system and the other photos I saved when I restored our 69 RS back in the early 2000 years. Enjoy :)
(http://sellbrainerd.com/storage/Misc/69HeadlightWasherDiagram.JPG)
(http://sellbrainerd.com/storage/Misc/69HeadlightWasherSolenoid69.JPG)
(http://sellbrainerd.com/storage/Misc/69RS%20solenoid%20Parts.jpg)
(http://sellbrainerd.com/storage/Misc/69RSwipermotor%20006.jpg)
(http://sellbrainerd.com/storage/Misc/headlightSol-washers1.JPG)
(http://sellbrainerd.com/storage/Misc/HeadlightWasherInstructions.JPG)
(http://sellbrainerd.com/storage/Misc/WasherSolenoids.JPG)
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Thanks Jim. I appreciate it.