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Camaro Research Group Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: dutch on February 06, 2019, 04:47:35 AM
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I fully well know the.. 'it's worthless without pictures' deal but..
Can anyone try and give me a range of current prices for 1968 Z 2/8's in the US currently, or what this Summer could hold for values that such a vehicle might bring?
I have one that I have owned for over 30 years now and it hasn't moved more than 3 times in each of the past 3 Summers (and very little in many Summers previously unfortunately) and with our driving seasons here pretty short duration compared to the US or even Southern Parts of Canada - that won't change - nor will my lack of interest now or indeed time to play with it, going forward.
The car is a 63,000 mile mostly original version, with a 355 engine in it presently with many parts on it from the original and 'born with' .030 over - '678 block, perfect uncut crank, stock rods, TRW L2210AF pistons, ARP fasteners, 291 heads, 610 intake, orig. clutch fan, orig. pan, orig. windage tray etc. etc. etc.. which is completely rebuilt and residing on an engine stand in my garage.
This engine also has a very rare '266 distributor which few of these engines were blessed with (leftovers from '67 production according to sources of mine who have discussed and confirmed this with Jerry MacNeish and had similarly dated and equipped cars judged) but it is missing the original carb and alternator presently.
The engine and transmission are original to the vehicle but the 3:73 12 bolt presently seems to be dated a couple of days too close to the delivery date - so I suspect it was possibly swapped in a warranty deal at some point shortly after delivery into Southern Ontario Canada.
Rumored to originally have been sold to a NHL hockey player (probably Toronto Maple Leaf player - because of the dealer proximity to Toronto) I have confirmed the ownership back as far as the 2nd owner in personal conversations.
It is a Norwood 02D car - originally with '302' fender badges (just barely still installed before the GM swap over to the newer Z2/8-type) changed out by a previous owner wishing for more profile I guess, and was an original PP Seafrost Green/black stripes, repainted (still very decent paint) in the 1980's red with black stripes. Interior black standard, original with no console and in very nice condition with non original radio installed and aftermarket dash pad (original cracked one I still have).
Cowl hood (original flat one with the car still) and front and rear spoilers added as well as air shocks and some small trim pieces..
Originally a fairly low option KD1 (smog) exempt Z2/8 as delivered into Canada as per George Zapora (GM Vintage Car Services) and their vintage car documentation department.
Rear quarters were changed in 1980 with OEM GM units - but from what I'm told there was very little need to do so - just a very picky owner who otherwise left the car untouched and stripped it down to bare metal for the repaint at that point, there was some evidence on the floor pans of the original green overspray when I got it.
Original chrome is decent for a car of this vintage, original gas tank, wheels, Hurst shifter added, T3 headlights, floor pans and rockers very solid and good, perfect trunk, original glass except windshield, needs better window fuzzies (I have repop versions - but haven't put them on), and I have brand new door rubbers which I can't seem to get the time to install over the past 3 years - which seems to be a common theme here and shows how much I've actually had sufficient time to play around with the car or urge to do so!
I would like to sell it is the US depending on how much trouble and cost it will be to do so - since where I live here in Northern Ontario there isn't much appreciation of this type of vehicle or subsequent value given to ones that are fairly rare and/or unusual.. keep getting.. the "Yea - I had one just like yours when I was in high school.. 'cept mine was a convertible and had an automatic, with air conditioning.. wish I still had it" type of thing - if that makes any sense at all and emphasizes my point!
My wife has finally convinced me it needs to go, and as much as it makes me feel 18 all over again every time I fire it up -at my age now and condition, maybe that's not necessarily a good thing in some ways.. Replaced knees, shoulders, and an impeding hip operation keeps me from even getting in or out gracefully or from driving it well - so I'm realizing 'the time has come' if you catch my drift..
I do have some older pictures from 10 or more years back - but have never been successful trying to put any up here and my old Photobucket account is probably inoperable now I'm sure..
This kinda hurts to have to do but it is what it is..
Just trying to start getting plans organized - so any decent stabs at giving some pricing ideas are much appreciated!
Note: This long and rambling post is NOT intended as a 'fishing expedition' or veiled 'For Sale' effort here - so Please take it for what the intent is, and my appreciation is great towards anyone who can try and throw some estimates of current values my way!
Thanks very much.. Randy
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Well FWIW, 2 restored 68 Z cars sold at BJ no reserve in the mid 60's and I believe Jerry certified them as original drive train cars. Yours sounds like it is more of a driver and needs to be gone through. I would say around 35-40k without seeing pics, and just off of what you described.
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Once you got it ready to sell, what condition would you realistically say it is in? What looked like a decent #2+ 68 Z sold for $44k at Mecum this January.
I'd think Bullitt65 is spot on.
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Well I am a blind Jedi master car evaluator...🤓 😂
(If you send me pics I may be able to post it, for others to chime in on value. BULLITT65@aol.com)
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I don't disagree with the estimated value range. A definite plus is the GM of Canada documentation - that alone adds a lot ot the potential value to the car above any other lesser features. There are a lot of '68's out there lacking documentation that would be worth considerably more if so equipped.
I think I would far prefer Seafoam than Resale Red, but it likely won't hurt the value during the sale. Sounds like a nice ride - wish you the best when you have to cut it loose. I've only ever had to sell one keeper, with that tempered by the fact that the sale allowed me to bring my '68 home to fill the void.
Regards,
Steve
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Randy and I own family vehicles as our born with engines were both built December 21, 1967 and both have the same early dated distributor.
Overall most accurate nicely restored 68z’s are in the 65k range but there are always exceptions. This per the review would assume to be in some driver category. As pointed out the paperwork is a plus but the original engine is huge and proves what it is. The downside when looking for an original will be the paint change for many, and possibly to some the rear. I’d love to see detailed pics and hesitate to value as I’ve already communicated to Randy I’d b interested in owning to join our 68z.
On another note it is interesting our cars were built roughly 6 weeks apart yet our engines assembled at Flint the same day. Another example of no “in first out first.”
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Appreciate your comments Chick - as I sat here and typed out the first post I must admit it really got to me about getting to this point and it's not going to get any easier.. I can already see that!
Guess some days (especially long Winter ones when the snowbanks in the driveway are taller like today, than my wife's little RAV 4) it's just harder to imagine being 18 again and taking cars like this out on test drives at local dealerships or in fact even living on a daily basis with vehicles like this year-round -verses today's 'nanny' cars..
R..
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I will try to load a couple of pics of his car. He told me these were taken 10 yrs ago FWIW
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side shot. A bit to high for my taste, but that how guys liked to run them BITD.
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rear pic
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engine shot
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interior shot
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I remember this car from a few years ago. Let me know when you come to a number on the car. I might know a person or 2 that might be interested. Take care, Darrell
http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=12342.msg102828#msg102828 (http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=12342.msg102828#msg102828)
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side shot. A bit to high for my taste, but that how guys liked to run them BITD.
Assume the air shocks! Randy, u might want to have a list prepared of all the tough original items it has along with what it might not. Good example is radiator and tag, tire jack & date code, wheels and date codes, master cyl., brake booster, etc. Your plenty familiar with these rascals and time is on your side. It will help for potential buyers to make the leap and come take a look.
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Dutch why did you start a new topic about the value of your car? The old thread Darrel posted is the exact same thing we have here?
(If I would have seen that I wouldn't have wasted my time resizing the pics and posting. ) >:(
sorry guys
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My rearend is an 0424 on a 04D.
What's the numbers on the waterpump? Paid a pretty penny for correct one a few months ago. JMO,,would love to see it wear Seafom again. Car sounds tight.
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Dutch why did you start a new topic about the value of your car? The old thread Darrel posted is the exact same thing we have here?
(If I would have seen that I wouldn't have wasted my time resizing the pics and posting. ) >:(
sorry guys
Oh, there it is,skipped the link
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My apologies to all - I do somewhat recall posting info on the car years back - but thought it was on Team Camaro or another site. I did frequent many other sites besides CRG back then, when I was able to be a lot more into cars. :-\
I didn't do any of this out of a sense of fun or trying to waste people's time or testing their humor or patience..
I actually had forgotten all about doing it until I saw the link provided and to say that I am somewhat embarrassed about this is being generous to say the very least!
It is obvious that I have entertained the idea of selling it previously, mainly because over the years many heard just how infrequently I used it and that led often to some asking if I would be interested in selling.. but I never know what the actual market is, because living here in the 'backwoods', Barret Jackson isn't much of a realistic pricing point for me to go by obviously - nor are those around here who think $10,000 for a car is a lot to spend before you break out the paint roller or Wagner Power Painter and paint yourself.
Whether you choose to believe any of this or not, at least take my word for the fact that I am grateful for the responses I've gotten about it, and the fact that I am very thankful to you BULLITT for your offering to help me out today.. I sincerely did and do appreciate your time and trouble..
For me 5 months is sometimes a long time - let alone trying to recall exact details of what I did or said 5 years ago.
Again - my apologies for those who feel I've wasted everyone's time here - my intention truly is to sell it before this Summer somewhere, somehow - that much won't change.. and to piss off anyone trying to achieve that end certainly wasn't my intention here at all..
Randy
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No time wasted.lol.
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Yep agreed jano. Again let me know the price you decide on and I’ll pass it along to some of my folks.
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Not wasted time at all. Enjoy herring of other 68 Z/28s...Joe
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It was just my wasted time. Frickin 68 guys geez 😂
If you can't remember what you're car was worth 5 years ago, or that you even asked what it was worth, then I guess this is a big reminder thread.
Although Jano thought it was worth around 50k then, so I think a little less now. So maybe this thread helped you get a better 2019 price. I still think 40-45k
Exactly when are you putting it up for sale?
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side shot. A bit to high for my taste, but that how guys liked to run them BITD.
Assume the air shocks! Randy, u might want to have a list prepared of all the tough original items it has along with what it might not. Good example is radiator and tag, tire jack & date code, wheels and date codes, master cyl., brake booster, etc. Your plenty familiar with these rascals and time is on your side. It will help for potential buyers to make the leap and come take a look.
Randy, what other sometimes hard to find original parts are with car? See above!
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Putting a value on it is kinda tough. I like red but original color would be better.
Tell me more about the rear ended date and date on the body tag - month/week.
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I believe Bryon that the cast date code on the center section was 02/28/8 and the car is an 02D trim tag car.. don't quote me exactly and it's 30 below outside and my garage isn't heated - so I'm not crawling under it to check for certain.. maybe in a couple of weeks, or when I feel a lot better.. if I can't find the JM 'Definitive' book I wrote everything I found down in...
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Bryon - again.. I think why I assumed it wasn't correct was that the GM Vintage Services documentation I received when I purchased the package back in the mid '90's said the delivery was Feb 26th or 28th or something like that, and I assumed that it couldn't (the rear end) be installed the same day as delivery was slated to be - but I guess the 'delivery' date could actually be a lot of different things to different people or GM departments like.. (a) Scheduled to actually leave the factory assembly line (b) Picked up from the actual Norwood facility (c) or Actually strapped onto a rail car and sent off somewhere.
Maybe all of the paper trail sheets do have some bit of 'slack' in them too, despite what the date on the tags or shipping paper work actually says..
I'm not that familiar with how the Norwood, or how in fact any of the plant scheduling and paperwork meshed up or worked.. I'm sure it wouldn't certainly be as precise as today's plant more computerized schedules - but again I'm only speculating somewhat in saying that..
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side shot. A bit to high for my taste, but that how guys liked to run them BITD.
Assume the air shocks! Randy, u might want to have a list prepared of all the tough original items it has along with what it might not. Good example is radiator and tag, tire jack & date code, wheels and date codes, master cyl., brake booster, etc. Your plenty familiar with these rascals and time is on your side. It will help for potential buyers to make the leap and come take a look.
Randy, what other sometimes hard to find original parts are with car? See above!
Yep - air shocks and a tiny bit of a longer shackle to level it up with what I assumed were different springs installed somewhere in it's life for some reason. When I got the car, it sat a bit front end high - so I did the easiest things I could to make it sit level at least.
The air shocks just added a bit of load capacity and stiffened up the ride to boot.
Always hated that Camaros and Firebirds - a friend had one - seemed so soft (it turned me off buying a new '68 one after test driving a few Big Block ones in December '67 and instead I ordered a new SS396 Chevelle) and mushy in the back end and I wanted to insure if I my family came along for a ride or the back got loaded up some it wouldn't look like a 50's drag race car!
Don't have an original jack so no worries about date code for that obviously - the rad as far as I recall didn't have any tag - they were soldered on weren't they?
I'm not sure the tanks are original - I did get it recored in the mid '90's but I don't recall any brand names on the tanks or a tag at that point, although it does have what I assume to be generic fill level notations on the battery-side tank and had a petcock that looked OEM style - that got changed out because it was pretty hacked up.. Maybe I should take a closer gander at them - but I doubt the tag or remnant is there now.
Those kinds of things weren't deemed at all important back in those days - by me and I suspect most everyone else I'm reasonably sure!
I could write for hours about all it has and doesn't and the condition of everything and why I did what I did to it for various reasons and why not - but I'm sure t's just 'stuff' no one has the patience to read or would care at all!
When we discussed distributors - many of the pictures I sent you contained shots of date codes and casting numbers of some of the stuff I considered interesting and somewhat important.
Don't know if you still retain much or any of that (what was that a couple of years back) .. I hesitate now on dates obviously - due to my most recent gaffe when it comes recalling things or not.. :(
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Bryon - again.. I think why I assumed it wasn't correct was that the GM Vintage Services documentation I received when I purchased the package back in the mid '90's said the delivery was Feb 26th or 28th or something like that, and I assumed that it couldn't (the rear end) be installed the same day as delivery was slated to be - but I guess the 'delivery' date could actually be a lot of different things to different people or GM departments like.. (a) Scheduled to actually leave the factory assembly line (b) Picked up from the actual Norwood facility (c) or Actually strapped onto a rail car and sent off somewhere.
Maybe all of the paper trail sheets do have some bit of 'slack' in them too, despite what the date on the tags or shipping paper work actually says..
I'm not that familiar with how the Norwood, or how in fact any of the plant scheduling and paperwork meshed up or worked.. I'm sure it wouldn't certainly be as precise as today's plant more computerized schedules - but again I'm only speculating somewhat in saying that..
When you have time, take a look again and contact me.
In some cases, dates are very tight together. In other cases, depending on ratio and when it was in the production cycle, there is more spread.
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side shot. A bit to high for my taste, but that how guys liked to run them BITD.
Assume the air shocks! Randy, u might want to have a list prepared of all the tough original items it has along with what it might not. Good example is radiator and tag, tire jack & date code, wheels and date codes, master cyl., brake booster, etc. Your plenty familiar with these rascals and time is on your side. It will help for potential buyers to make the leap and come take a look.
Randy, what other sometimes hard to find original parts are with car? See above!
Yep - air shocks and a tiny bit of a longer shackle to level it up with what I assumed were different springs installed somewhere in it's life for some reason. When I got the car, it sat a bit front end high - so I did the easiest things I could to make it sit level at least.
The air shocks just added a bit of load capacity and stiffened up the ride to boot.
Always hated that Camaros and Firebirds - a friend had one - seemed so soft (it turned me off buying a new '68 one after test driving a few Big Block ones in December '67 and instead I ordered a new SS396 Chevelle) and mushy in the back end and I wanted to insure if I my family came along for a ride or the back got loaded up some it wouldn't look like a 50's drag race car!
Don't have an original jack so no worries about date code for that obviously - the rad as far as I recall didn't have any tag - they were soldered on weren't they?
I'm not sure the tanks are original - I did get it recored in the mid '90's but I don't recall any brand names on the tanks or a tag at that point, although it does have what I assume to be generic fill level notations on the battery-side tank and had a petcock that looked OEM style - that got changed out because it was pretty hacked up.. Maybe I should take a closer gander at them - but I doubt the tag or remnant is there now.
Those kinds of things weren't deemed at all important back in those days - by me and I suspect most everyone else I'm reasonably sure!
I could write for hours about all it has and doesn't and the condition of everything and why I did what I did to it for various reasons and why not - but I'm sure t's just 'stuff' no one has the patience to read or would care at all!
When we discussed distributors - many of the pictures I sent you contained shots of date codes and casting numbers of some of the stuff I considered interesting and somewhat important.
Don't know if you still retain much or any of that (what was that a couple of years back) .. I hesitate now on dates obviously - due to my most recent gaffe when it comes recalling things or not.. :(
Yes I have pics of Randy’s engine pad “I22IMO” and early “1111266 7A25”, both of which are exactly the same with our 68z. And JerryM has also seen and has pics of both. Another member here has a 02C z28 with same 266 dated distributor but never would answer my inquiries on when his engine was built. I know of another similar date built engine with same early 266 dated distributor so for sure some of these early built z28 7A25 dated distributors got in early built 68Z’s. That distributor definitely adds direct value. Will post pics Randy in near future.
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Chick - Thanks - I appreciate your comments greatly!
Thanks as well for the message(s) on Gmail.. No issues with the messages at all!
I rarely ever use that account anymore and mainly only if I have pictures to try and share as it seems to be more friendly in that sense than Hotmail from my limited experiences.
With the Gmail pictures I sent you in the past, it was the only way I could find that easily allowed me to take pictures with my old phone and get them into an email format easily that would work for me (and you as well!).
Hotmail is the main email address that I use - and I'm sorry for not responding often to some of your messages on Gmail as honestly, I very seldom use or even think to check it..
R..