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Camaro Research Group Discussion => Restoration => Topic started by: hotrodspecialties on January 09, 2019, 02:41:45 PM
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Hey guys, great forum. I've found a ton of useful info on here. I'm currently finishing up a 67 Z for a customer and it has the U80 rear speaker option. The car was basically just a shell when we started so I don't have anything to go off of. My question is how was the package tray done for that speaker? Did they just cut an opening in the tray for the speaker and the grill went over the top of that? Thanks for the help
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Looking at the AIM (no instruction for cutting a hole under RPO U80) the hole must have been pre-cut or at least a knock-out piece. Someone with a coupe will provide more info.
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My 67 LOS coupe has U80 I can take pictures of.
What do you want me to look at?
Mike
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Mike, I am just trying to figure out or confirm really how the cardboard package tray and grille was done. I know the speaker obviously went up to the bottom of the package tray shelf from inside the trunk. Then did they just cut a hole the size of the speaker for it to sound though in the cardboard package tray and the grill went over that with the screws holding both the speaker and grill in place? I think I'm explaining what I'm trying to figure out correctly. The AIM isn't real clear on it and I am just trying to make sure I am correct (or incorrect) on how it was done.
Thanks
Kenneth
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I'll remove the speaker and grill to take a look to see if it is a hand cut or a clean knock-out type.
Mike
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Attached are a few pictures of the rear speaker. This is the first it has been taken out!
The cuts are very clean and precise and doesn't look like a rough hand cut, so it must have been perforated knockouts.
The speaker is a single wire and the ground must be through the basket to chassis via the screw studs/nuts.
Let me know if you need additional pictures.
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More pictures
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Close up of cut edges
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Mike, You sir are one heck of a man! I seriously really appreciate you taking the time to do that. If you're ever in the Indy area feel free to stop in our shop anytime (Hot Rod Specialties, Indianapolis) and I'll show ya around and buy ya lunch or something!
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I'm glad to have been of some help.
Do you have a grill already? Do you need a picture of that?
Mike
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I do have the grill and an NOS speaker. I just wanted to make sure I was right in how I was assuming it was done. I didn't want to be wrong somehow and have to pull it all back apart.
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Mike, You sir are one heck of a man! I seriously really appreciate you taking the time to do that. If you're ever in the Indy area feel free to stop in our shop anytime (Hot Rod Specialties, Indianapolis) and I'll show ya around and buy ya lunch or something!
Wow, I will second that Kenneth! That was special Mike and good on ya!
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Mike,
Can you post a pic of the grille? That will make the thread complete. :)
Thanks!
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This should really help you out I hope. Here is a picture of a 67 RS assembly line package tray.
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Mike, that was great of you to do that. Could you post a photo of the speaker grille? It may be helpful to somebody who looks at this thread months or years down the road.
Kenneth, tell us more about the '67 Z you're restoring. It's always a treat to see these cars being brought back, sometimes from near death.
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This weekend I'll get pictures of the grill, hardware and a closer shot of the speaker magnet with the printing.
I'll see if I can match the hardware with an AMK number (example: retaining nuts) because I don't see it listed in the 67 AIM.
Mike
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I took more pictures of the speaker, grill, hardware and wiring route. Based on my findings of the rear deck with the grill off I am changing my earlier comments about being knock-outs to now being hand cut. Unfortunately, I was not able to match the screw, nut/washer or wire clip to any AMK hardware. The wire routing exits the right side of the trunk, down the right side rocker channel within a protective plastic loom along the rocker length and exits top of the kick panel, travels under the glove box in parallel with the antenna wire (and is also under the antenna wire retainer clips) and then exits and plugs into the fader control harness as shown in 67AIM U80/A2 view B.
I hope these pictures help. If you need further closeups let me know.
Mike
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More grill photos
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More grill photos
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Speaker photos
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Speaker wire clip and hardware
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Speaker wire routing
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Speaker wire plugged into fader harness
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Almost forgot....the speaker ground strap side view.
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Wow, terrific additional photos Mike. Thanks for going to the trouble. Does the car have two package trays in back, one on top of the other? It looks that way in the top photo.
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Great detail capture there Mike - thanks!
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Wow, terrific additional photos Mike. Thanks for going to the trouble. Does the car have two package trays in back, one on top of the other? It looks that way in the top photo.
Funny you ask that, Jon. I was thinking of that last night when laying in bed. I'm going to look further into this. I suspect the piece under the shelf is the one that has the jute like backing attached to it.
Mike
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The edges on the bottom board appear "cleaner" to me, and it does look like one tray atop another. But I have a convertible so not well versed on these :)
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Mike, thank you for all the detail on the pathway and hardware for the rear speaker. I couldn't find that detail anywhere I looked. This is extremely helpful, appreciate all the time and effort you put in to adding to this topic. Much appreciated, answered every question I had.
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Using my fingers was able to raise the top shelf a little to examine closer. This is for certain, the top shelf has no backing under it and the underlying shelf has the thin jute like backing glued to it. I examined the vinyl edge that folds over behind the rear seat and it is glued to the frame and I only see one flap. The shelf with the backing has a much cleaner punch for the speaker compared to the obvious hand cut on top of it.
Did LOS use a separate shelf with the backing glued to it perhaps?
Mike
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Mike, my guess is that the bottom shelf is the *original* one... and that someone put a reproduction shelf on top of it sometime later... ??
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Mike, my guess is that the bottom shelf is the *original* one... and that someone put a reproduction shelf on top of it sometime later... ??
Perhaps the original owner did. I bought the car in 1980 from the original owner and prior to that it sat in his garage for 6 years (with a bunch of shite on top) before I came along. Maybe the Ca. sun did its damage then and he had a new shelf installed (if there was a repro back then). When I start to restore the car this is one area I will scrutinize.
Mike
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.. or maybe the original type tray was available from the dealer at that time, but without the insulating layer of material on bottom?...? The pattern and thickness of the upper tray looks to be right on the money...
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Here are a couple of photos of 1969 12B Convertible AM/FM REAR SPEAKER WIRE LABEL and the "finger" retainer which held the wire loom in the gutter under the sheetmetal loom covers for a .
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