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Camaro Research Group Discussion => Restoration => Topic started by: Flowjoe on December 16, 2018, 07:37:34 PM
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Sold one of my ‘69s to a friend who is digging in on the resto. He dropped the tank and found paperwork but it is, as one would expect, very dirty and brittle. Any suggestions on removing it from the tank? I’m at a loss so any tips appreciated. I’ll get a photo up shortly.
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This link might be of interest, once you get it removed find a paper conservator.
http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=9193.msg66045#msg66045
Getting it loose from the tank, not sure. Maybe use steam? That’s not a recommendation, just a thought!
Hopefully others will chime in.
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Thanks for the thought. Yeah, I thought about steam too but I have very little experience with removing paperwork - having never been lucky enough to find any on any of the cars I've owned. :(
Here's what we are dealing with. It might be a lost cause.
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Thanks for the thought. Yeah, I thought about steam too but I have very little experience with removing paperwork - having never been lucky enough to find any on any of the cars I've owned. :(
Here's what we are dealing with. It might be a lost cause.
Yikes, you may be correct! Check the NCRS forum board or goggle for info as the Corvette people have been at this for a long time, i.e. removing tank stickers.
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Thanks for the thought. Yeah, I thought about steam too but I have very little experience with removing paperwork - having never been lucky enough to find any on any of the cars I've owned. :(
Here's what we are dealing with. It might be a lost cause.
Yikes, you may be correct! Check the NCRS forum board or goggle for info as the Corvette people have been at this for a long time, i.e. removing tank stickers.
I didn't even think of the NCRS - and I should have. Thanks
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I think you might find some KEY blocks or squares of codes in that still, Work small sections, using makeup soft brush and new razor blade play like you are excavating rare Dino remains, photos digi camera in place using tripod and good close up settings, Mine was similar also flatten between a couple of pc's of glass and piece it together like a puzzle, nothing liquid, no vacuums, I used a Ear bulb to poof some of the dry dirt away, you know that thing the Doc uses to Hydro- your ear drum at the Docs office,,,,Best of luck
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I think you might find some KEY blocks or squares of codes in that still, Work small sections, using makeup soft brush and new razor blade play like you are excavating rare Dino remains, photos digi camera in place using tripod and good close up settings, Mine was similar also flatten between a couple of pc's of glass and piece it together like a puzzle, nothing liquid, no vacuums, I used a Ear bulb to poof some of the dry dirt away, you know that thing the Doc uses to Hydro- your ear drum at the Docs office,,,,Best of luck
Thanks for the input :)
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The Chassis Broadcast Copy on my Z was rough but decipherable. I was unable to remove it (didn't want to take a chance), so I ended up cutting the metal around it out and took the whole piece, metal and all to a professional document restoration professional. Not cheap but the results were very good.
Before: (note - I was able to salvage many of the loose pieces on the top of the paper which aren't shown but in the envelope)
(https://i1061.photobucket.com/albums/t478/jwlittooy/Camaro%20Chassis%20Broadcast%20Copy/CBC%20Before%20Resto%202_zps4nifgzfi.jpg) (https://s1061.photobucket.com/user/jwlittooy/media/Camaro%20Chassis%20Broadcast%20Copy/CBC%20Before%20Resto%202_zps4nifgzfi.jpg.html)
After restoration:
(http://i1061.photobucket.com/albums/t478/jwlittooy/Camaro%20Chassis%20Broadcast%20Copy/Chassis%20Broadcast%20Copy%209L529307%20Web_zps7lpm9447.jpg) (http://s1061.photobucket.com/user/jwlittooy/media/Camaro%20Chassis%20Broadcast%20Copy/Chassis%20Broadcast%20Copy%209L529307%20Web_zps7lpm9447.jpg.html)
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Also try James (FirstGenAddict). He has some paper knowledge and some experience with the sheets.
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There are quite a few archivists who do this type of work, the best are in the antique book restoration business, archiving and preserving 1000 - 5000 year old paper makes a 50 year old broadcast sheet peanuts.
Main thing is stabilizing as far as neutralizing the acidity and getting some moisture back into the paper...
http://graphicconservation.blogspot.com/2008_12_01_archive.html
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Great article James. Thank you.
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The pipette with the suction table is basically what I did with the first sheet I recovered
(I put the sheet on top of a few flat paper towels then put the stack on a cookie cooling rack in order to wick the tar solution when it was loosened as I poured acetone through the sheet)
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Restoration and preservation would be key if we can get it off the tank. It is stuck hard and extremely brittle. If we can salvage the little bits of paper then we might be able to send it out for restoration part. It's how to get it off the tank in large enough pieces that is vexing us now.
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Did you talk to anyone that restores paper for a living? They should be able to help you get it off so they can save it.
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Restoration and preservation would be key if we can get it off the tank. It is stuck hard and extremely brittle. If we can salvage the little bits of paper then we might be able to send it out for restoration part. It's how to get it off the tank in large enough pieces that is vexing us now.
How important is it to save the gas tank vs the build sheet? For mine, the build sheet was glued on to the point there was no way I could remove it without destroying it. So in my case, I concluded it was more important to save the build sheet then the gas tank and cut the tank to remove the buildsheet, metal attached. Thereafter, the document restoration expert used the proper chemicals, preservation techniques to remove the paper from the metal.
You could always re-weld the metal back to the tank after the professional removes the paper work from the metal.
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Restoration and preservation would be key if we can get it off the tank. It is stuck hard and extremely brittle. If we can salvage the little bits of paper then we might be able to send it out for restoration part. It's how to get it off the tank in large enough pieces that is vexing us now.
How important is it to save the gas tank vs the build sheet? For mine, the build sheet was glued on to the point there was no way I could remove it without destroying it. So in my case, I concluded it was more important to save the build sheet then the gas tank and cut the tank to remove the buildsheet, metal attached. Thereafter, the document restoration expert used the proper chemicals, preservation techniques to remove the paper from the metal.
You could always re-weld the metal back to the tank after the professional removes the paper work from the metal.
There are a number of vette tank sheets which are still attached to the piece of tank which have been framed for presentation.
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This may be a dumb question. But couldn't you just remove the tank from the car, empty the gasoline out, and put some kind of a diaper on the tank so you could transport it to someone who could remove the paper from the tank? it may cost more money to attempt this path, but a new gas tank is also gonna cost money. I would think a paper restoration service sees al kinds of situations and could undertake removing the sheet from the tank and keeping both intact as much as possible?
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Back around 1990, I was able to remove the tank sticker from my '69 Corvette...
In the photo attached, it has been reduced in size from several megabytes to the 138 kb to fit this site's requirements. After some digital enhancement the original was fairly legible... even with the large red-dish glue discolorations on it and I was able to discern the equipment and options on it.
PS. I don't recall what chemical I used to successfully remove it, but I know I was very careful with it and spent quite a bit of time and tried several things. After removing the sheet, I cleaned and sealed the inside of the tank and re-installed it; it still is functioning today.
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This may be a dumb question. But couldn't you just remove the tank from the car, empty the gasoline out, and put some kind of a diaper on the tank so you could transport it to someone who could remove the paper from the tank? it may cost more money to attempt this path, but a new gas tank is also gonna cost money. I would think a paper restoration service sees al kinds of situations and could undertake removing the sheet from the tank and keeping both intact as much as possible?
Agree - it's worth asking the document preservation expert. In my case, I brought the whole tank down for her to inspect but she did not have the facilities to deal with a whole gas tank. But her work was outstanding so worth the compromise.
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Gary...
Did I see N14 side mount exhaust on there?
Nicely equipped... VERY NICELY EQUIPPED.
L46 - PS - PB - side mount - Vinyl hard top.
That is a rare and desirable little roadster sir.
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Gary...
Did I see N14 side mount exhaust on there?
Nicely equipped... VERY NICELY EQUIPPED.
L46 - PS - PB - side mount - Vinyl hard top.
That is a rare and desirable little roadster sir.
Thanks James, and Yes, L46-4spd (M20), 3.36 posi, AC, PS, PB, Leather interior, Tilt/tele, side exhausts, fender louver trim, AM/FM stereo, both tops... I was looking for a mid-year when I bought it, but the first owner told me about the car and I liked it.. and still like it after 30+ yrs.. :)
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LOVE IT... I had a LATE (Mid NOV) 69 Daytona Yellow L46 - M20 3.70 ordered without a radio and for some reason it had a 6500 redline tach in it...
Someone added the sidepipes & louver trim -(neither were on the tank sheet) since I had the car 30 years ago.
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I never got over selling it before I went to college... if I would have had kept it through college, I would still have it today.
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I love your old '69 too James! Daytona Yellow coupe with sidepipes!! beautiful.... :)