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Camaro Research Group Discussion => Decoding/Numbers => Topic started by: WayneinNZ on October 27, 2018, 03:21:20 AM
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I have a 67 350 RS SS, 4MT camaro here, for all intents and purposes it is all matching numbers etc.
The engine casting date is K 11 6 ( November 11 66) and casting number is 3892657.
The Car trim tag says 11E ( November 5th week ) 4p (SS or L30 M20)
So far so good. Now for the bit that has me stumped.
The VIN plate is 124377L159786 , production records show that VIN was produced in June 67.
Seems to be off quite a bit compared to the engine build dates???
The partial VIN on the front pad is 159786 VIII4MV (November 14 auto w air & smog)
I note that the stamp looks all uniform in font and height on the partial VIN and the Engine code and the "7L" is missing.
The car has a 12 bolt rearend with the tramp rod.
Am I getting something wrong with my decode?
I have yet to see the car in person, working off pics.
Thanks
Wayne
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Everything lines up as an end of Dec 66 car if it was a Norwood built car. But you say it says Los. Best to post a pic of the tag. Something is amiss.
Try to get a pic of the hidden VIN under wiper cowl panel.
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So you're sure the car has a LOS cowl trim tag with an 11E date code, and it's not an 11B? As mentioned, a picture will help a lot.
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I'm confused. I have a picture of the trim tag for 7L159786 and the date is 06A.
The car had a POP but it disappeared about 10 years ago. Engine date was V1114MV, btw, though a BB was installed in it.
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Hi Guys, thanks for your responses.
Yes it all ssems a bit strange
Here are the pics Ihave been sent
Aparently the partial VIN unber the wiper scuttle matches the car VIN.
I know the guy selling this car, he is genuine, maybe he has been swindled???
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Here is the front pad.VIN looks to be a restamp.
Last pic shows what may have been part of the original VIN on the engine
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Hi Wayne. Matt here with the Camaro. I have read through a few different posts about the vin stamp on my block, and how the 7L are around the wrong way. Seems like this happened a bit in 1967 on the 350 blocks.
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Hi Matt
Intersting how Kurt has the same VIN on record with a differnt build date.
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sorry the pics are a bit terrible, I had teh reduce htem heaps to et them on here.
I can email them to someone if they would like more resolution as they were about 2 MB originally
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Kurt can you post the pic of the plate you have 06A?
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I can also confirm the partial vin under the wiper area also matches
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Trim tag is an obvious fake.
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How can you tell the trim tag is fake?
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Also suspect is the Vin number on the door post. I dont ever remember one with the 12437 starting from the bottom. All the ones I've seen start at the top. You have to tilt your head to the left to read it. Cars Ive seen you have to tilt your head to the right. I might be wrong but this always has been my observatiom
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The vin matches the hidden vin under the wiper cowl panel.
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VIN tag is fine, it's just installed wrong.
Both trim and VIN tags look to have been removed and reinstalled. Perhaps for a color change.
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That's what I eluded to
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How can you tell the trim tag is fake?
It has things wrong with it. More will chime in, but the issues aren't spelled out so the counterfeiters don't get better.
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X2 on the trim tag being replaced.
May have been done for the color change?
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I can't see anything in that pad pic.
Here's the original tag from 2004. The current one is a repro with a multitude of errors on it.
(note that the pic doesn't have to be tiny to be a small file size - this is only 65 KB)
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It went from Royal Plum to Resale Red. I would have preferred the Royal Plum.
Original tag shows AC, repro does not. Is the firewall near the heater core all hacked up?
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Here is a clearer pic of the engine bay.
You can easily see that it used to have AC
Wayne
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Here is a clearer pic of the front pad
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AC? That looks like a big block heater box cover.
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Sort of looks like the firewall AC "suitcase" hole was patched over, then a BBC heater hole cut into the patch? Kurt said it had a BBC in the past.
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The picture resolution is not that great, but it looks like there is an out line of an AC suitcase and I see 3 screws and a plate on top of the cowl where the AC diverter would be installed.
Also, that single orange wire going through that big grommet (behind the ignition wires) is where the AC wiring harness should be. Non AC cars don't have that.
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That's the original engine for the car (and is what the POP said too).
They did a lot of work to change things around - remove AC, tag change - but didn't know what they were doing. They matched the tag to the engine date, not realizing the original tag was correct.
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Surprising an engine assembled 11/14 was in a car scheduled for 06A. Especially for an MV application at the LOS plant. Must have been sitting way back in the corner.
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Kurt, do we know why the 6 months difference?
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Do you know who last had the POP? Would be good to do some digging.
I have made Contact with the owner who had it from 2009 - 2018 - He doesnt have it.
Any help would be appreciated.
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Any chance you have a picture of the POP?
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Was at Super Chevy Pomona 3/01. Was on ebay a few times. Car sold at B-J Palm Beach in 2004.
Yes, the POP pic is that bad.....