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Camaro Research Group Discussion => Decoding/Numbers => Topic started by: WayneinNZ on October 27, 2018, 03:21:20 AM

Title: Checking out a car, someting seems odd
Post by: WayneinNZ on October 27, 2018, 03:21:20 AM
I have a 67 350 RS SS, 4MT camaro here, for all intents and purposes it is all matching numbers etc.
The engine casting date is K 11 6 ( November 11 66) and casting number is 3892657.
The Car trim tag says 11E ( November 5th week ) 4p (SS or L30 M20)
So far so good. Now for the bit that has me stumped.
The VIN plate is 124377L159786 , production records show that VIN was produced in June 67.
Seems to be off quite a bit compared to the engine build dates???
The partial VIN on the front pad is 159786 VIII4MV (November 14 auto w air & smog)
I note that the stamp looks all uniform in font and height on the partial VIN and the Engine code and the "7L" is missing.
The car has a 12 bolt rearend with the tramp rod.
Am I getting something wrong with my decode?
I have yet to see the car in person, working off pics.

Thanks
Wayne


Title: Re: Checking out a car, someting seems odd
Post by: ko-lek-tor on October 27, 2018, 12:27:16 PM
Everything lines up as an end of Dec 66 car if it was a Norwood built car. But you say it says Los. Best to post a pic of the tag. Something is amiss.
Try to get a pic of the hidden VIN under wiper cowl panel.
Title: Re: Checking out a car, someting seems odd
Post by: Petes L48 on October 27, 2018, 03:26:33 PM
So you're sure the car has a LOS cowl trim tag with an 11E date code, and it's not an 11B?  As mentioned, a picture will help a lot.
Title: Re: Checking out a car, someting seems odd
Post by: KurtS on October 28, 2018, 01:50:55 AM
I'm confused. I have a picture of the trim tag for 7L159786 and the date is 06A.
The car had a POP but it disappeared about 10 years ago. Engine date was V1114MV, btw, though a BB was installed in it.
Title: Re: Checking out a car, someting seems odd
Post by: WayneinNZ on October 28, 2018, 08:43:57 AM
Hi Guys, thanks for your responses.
Yes it all ssems a bit strange
Here are the pics Ihave been sent
Aparently the partial VIN unber the wiper scuttle matches the car VIN.
I know the guy selling this car, he is genuine, maybe he has been swindled???
Title: Re: Checking out a car, someting seems odd
Post by: WayneinNZ on October 28, 2018, 08:45:49 AM
Here is the front pad.VIN looks to be a restamp.
Last pic shows what may have been part of the original VIN on the engine
Title: Re: Checking out a car, someting seems odd
Post by: Mattj1233 on October 28, 2018, 08:57:11 AM
Hi Wayne. Matt here with the Camaro. I have read through a few different posts about the vin stamp on my block, and how the 7L are around the wrong way. Seems like this happened a bit in 1967 on the 350 blocks.
Title: Re: Checking out a car, someting seems odd
Post by: WayneinNZ on October 28, 2018, 09:07:54 AM
Hi Matt

Intersting how Kurt has the same VIN on record with a differnt build date.
Title: Re: Checking out a car, someting seems odd
Post by: WayneinNZ on October 28, 2018, 09:10:16 AM
sorry the pics are a bit terrible, I had teh reduce htem heaps to et them on here.
I can email them to someone if they would like more resolution as they were about 2 MB originally
Title: Re: Checking out a car, someting seems odd
Post by: Mattj1233 on October 28, 2018, 09:11:45 AM
Kurt can you post the pic of the plate you have 06A?
Title: Re: Checking out a car, someting seems odd
Post by: Mattj1233 on October 28, 2018, 09:19:11 AM
I can also confirm the partial vin under the wiper area also matches
Title: Re: Checking out a car, someting seems odd
Post by: Petes L48 on October 28, 2018, 01:53:17 PM
Trim tag is an obvious fake.
Title: Re: Checking out a car, someting seems odd
Post by: Mattj1233 on October 28, 2018, 06:08:32 PM
How can you tell the trim tag is fake?
Title: Re: Checking out a car, someting seems odd
Post by: 67CruiseMaster on October 28, 2018, 09:27:40 PM
Also suspect is the Vin number on the door post. I dont ever remember one with the 12437 starting from the bottom. All the ones I've seen start at the top. You have to tilt your head to the left to read it. Cars Ive seen you have to tilt your head to the right. I might be wrong but this always has been my observatiom
Title: Re: Checking out a car, someting seems odd
Post by: Mattj1233 on October 28, 2018, 10:05:52 PM
The vin matches the hidden vin under the wiper cowl panel.
Title: Re: Checking out a car, someting seems odd
Post by: 68 Ragtop on October 28, 2018, 11:05:46 PM
VIN tag is fine, it's just installed wrong.

Both trim and VIN tags look to have been removed and reinstalled. Perhaps for a color change.
Title: Re: Checking out a car, someting seems odd
Post by: 67CruiseMaster on October 28, 2018, 11:32:32 PM
That's what I eluded to
Title: Re: Checking out a car, someting seems odd
Post by: Petes L48 on October 29, 2018, 12:33:46 AM
How can you tell the trim tag is fake?

It has things wrong with it.  More will chime in, but the issues aren't spelled out so the counterfeiters don't get better. 
   
Title: Re: Checking out a car, someting seems odd
Post by: BULLITT65 on October 29, 2018, 03:43:34 AM
X2 on the trim tag being replaced.

May have been done for the color change?
Title: Re: Checking out a car, someting seems odd
Post by: KurtS on October 29, 2018, 03:50:34 AM
I can't see anything in that pad pic.
Here's the original tag from 2004. The current one is a repro with a multitude of errors on it.
(note that the pic doesn't have to be tiny to be a small file size - this is only 65 KB)
Title: Re: Checking out a car, someting seems odd
Post by: 68 Ragtop on October 29, 2018, 12:39:23 PM
It went from Royal Plum to Resale Red. I would have preferred the Royal Plum.

Original tag shows AC, repro does not. Is the firewall near the heater core all hacked up?
Title: Re: Checking out a car, someting seems odd
Post by: WayneinNZ on October 29, 2018, 06:43:48 PM
Here is a clearer pic of the engine bay.
You can easily see that it used to have AC
Wayne
Title: Re: Checking out a car, someting seems odd
Post by: WayneinNZ on October 29, 2018, 06:49:01 PM
Here is a clearer pic of the front pad
Title: Re: Checking out a car, someting seems odd
Post by: Mike S on October 29, 2018, 09:04:08 PM
AC? That looks like a big block heater box cover.
Title: Re: Checking out a car, someting seems odd
Post by: Petes L48 on October 29, 2018, 09:42:59 PM
Sort of looks like the firewall AC "suitcase" hole was patched over, then a BBC heater hole cut into the patch?  Kurt said it had a BBC in the past.
Title: Re: Checking out a car, someting seems odd
Post by: 68 Ragtop on October 29, 2018, 11:51:54 PM
The picture resolution is not that great, but it looks like there is an out line of an AC suitcase and I see 3 screws and a plate on top of the cowl where the AC diverter would be installed.
Also, that single orange wire going through that big grommet (behind the ignition wires) is where the AC wiring harness should be. Non AC cars don't have that.
Title: Re: Checking out a car, someting seems odd
Post by: KurtS on October 30, 2018, 05:09:41 PM
That's the original engine for the car (and is what the POP said too).
They did a lot of work to change things around - remove AC, tag change - but didn't know what they were doing. They matched the tag to the engine date, not realizing the original tag was correct.
Title: Re: Checking out a car, someting seems odd
Post by: Petes L48 on October 30, 2018, 06:22:49 PM
Surprising an engine assembled 11/14 was in a car scheduled for 06A.  Especially for an MV application at the LOS plant.  Must have been sitting way back in the corner.   
Title: Re: Checking out a car, someting seems odd
Post by: VINCE Z28 on October 31, 2018, 07:31:56 PM
Kurt, do we know why the 6 months difference?
Title: Re: Checking out a car, someting seems odd
Post by: Mattj1233 on October 31, 2018, 08:44:15 PM
Do you know who last had the POP? Would be good to do some digging.

I have made Contact with the owner who had it from 2009 - 2018 - He doesnt have it.

Any help would be appreciated.
Title: Re: Checking out a car, someting seems odd
Post by: Mattj1233 on October 31, 2018, 08:45:31 PM
Any chance you have a picture of the POP?
Title: Re: Checking out a car, someting seems odd
Post by: KurtS on November 01, 2018, 01:39:22 AM
Was at Super Chevy Pomona 3/01. Was on ebay a few times. Car sold at B-J Palm Beach in 2004.
Yes, the POP pic is that bad.....