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Camaro Research Group Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: dannystarr on September 26, 2018, 05:56:56 AM
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I tried to post on the Yenko site and couldn't make it happen. It said all kinds of things about security codes and ??? Couldn't load any pictures. So was hoping someone could jump this over there for me? If this is taking up space, go ahead and delete it. Either way, I need some expert advice on this car to start.
Took a ride this morning to go look at a house that needs a complete re-plumb. I think the house is dated about 1949. The owner and I talked about cars at a recent car show, that's where I gave him my bus card. In a garage nearby was a 1963 Chevrolet Fuel Injected Split Window Corvette Z06 Hardtop! I think it is one of 195. I guess they made 4 convertibles? He gave me SO Much info I couldn't keep up. 4 Plastic spacers under hood, some cars have 1 or 2 or 3 or NONE. Do the tags and stamps look good? Those round rivets look suspect? And how do I tell if it is a REAL Z06 Fuelie. Rare double line master cylinder. 55,000 original miles. He bought it just a few years after '63. Car has a later 327 installed. Original engine ??? on stand next to car. There are other cars including a 1968 Corvette Bronze RS Z/28! Due to privacy I have blocked out a lot of the info. But there is enough to get started. Thanx for your time... Danny
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Z06 had some very specific options. The corvette site probably lists them. These cars were cloned a lot in the 80,s and 90,s like the big block mid years so a "real" one is hard to spot without docs. Being a charter member of our local corvette group I years ago knew a lot by memory but not now. I don,t recall seeing the dual line MC and my 64 with power metallic brake option does not have it but it is not a Z06. Most I have seen did not have radios or heaters but I am sure there were some made. Very rare car if it is real.
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Kelley,
The owner said that master cylinder is not Z06 specific but not many cars got THAT one. I guess they were mostly single line. It also has a roll bar in it, that is supposed to be factory installed. I guess I better find a corvette sight when I get time and see what I can learn. Don't wanna take up anymore space here. Thanx... Danny
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Danny try sending sixt9rsx33 a pm over at the Yenko site. he has some NCSR Vettes and is very knowledgeable about Corvettes. He might be able to help you out?? worth a shot.
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Danny, I posted a thread over on the NCRS site with a link to this thread asking the C2 guys if they could help you. Hopefully someone more knowledgeable than I can answer your questions. I'm up on the early (1968 and 1969) C3's, but not on the C2's.
Ed
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Now I can about guarantee no roll bar from the factory. Would raise my suspions as would the dual,line.
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I THINK the dual brake lines are for the big brake metallic that adjust going forward, only for Z06. I am positive the factory never put in a roll bar. Only factory paperwork could tell the true story.
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Danny, I've gotten several emails where no one can see the pictures. This is because they're not registered on our site. Would it be okay for me to lift these pictures and post them on the NCRS site?
Ed
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What is pictured is an original Corvette 1963 Z06 and 1964 J56 master brake cylinder. Very rare!
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no pics of the bronze Z? asking price?
Also can you tell us what is he asking for the 63 corvette?
(great find)
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I am over from the NCRS site, there needs to ne much more info to say what it may or may not be, ZO6 Corvettes were built in 6 groups, the VIN may help to find out if its even possible. the group #'s were written in crayon on the rear bulk heads behind the fuel tank. making a clone was easy back when the parts were available from GM. if you really want a sure fire way to find out, I would talk with Tony Advesian he wrote the latest book on the ZO6.He is from Gaithersburg, Maryland. just google Tonys Corvette shop.
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Ed, yes, move pictures and or details anywhere ya like.
And there ya have it on the master cylinder, so that's a nice step closer.
Bullitt, At this time there has been no discussion about pricing of the '63. He might not even want me to have it. It's not advertised for sale. I am going to see the CB '68 Z/28 next week. It runs, but has been sitting for 20 years on and off. So I guess you could say, seldom driven. Seen pictures and it's an RS!!
But it's all about the Vette for now ;) I probably can't buy it, but this sure is fun ;D
FASTED, thanx for chiming in and for the info so far. I was told by the owner that some very knowledgeable Guru guys checked for the proper Z06 crayon markings and they are there. He was told that this car would fly through NCRS no problem. But we all know how it goes. Also Note: There is an RF at the end of the VIN.
•RC = 327-cid 250-hp V-8 with 10.5:1 compression ratio, manual transmission, and four-barrel carburetor
•RD = 327-cid 300-hp V-8 with 10.5:1 compression ratio, manual transmission, and four-barrel carburetor
•RE = 327-cid 340-hp V-8 with 11.25:1 compression ratio, manual transmission, and four-barrel carburetor
•RF = 327-cid 360-hp V-8 with 11.25:1 compression ratio, manual transmission, and fuel injection
•SC = 327-cid 250-hp V-8 with 10.5:1 compression ratio, Powerglide automatic transmission and a four-barrel carburetor
•SD = 327-cid 300-hp V-8 with 10.5:1 compression ratio, Powerglide automatic transmission and dual four-barrel carburetors
My big concern right now is the correct stamp fonting, broach markings and are the tags real with factory rivets? Could you tell me that please.? If those are not the real deal, I wouldn't be interested. Again, it's not out there for sale... Danny
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I think even if that Vette is an original fuelie car it is special.
On the rivets. I am am not a corvette know it all, but have inspected some C2 vettes and I was skeptical after seeing those rivets on the first couple of cars that I saw. You would think they would have used a special rivet, but that is the same one I have observed, and understood as original.
So you have 2 68Z cars and This bronze may be # 3! wow
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I am trying to catch-up with all you guys... ha ha Like I mentioned before, gotta pay a loan for 6 or 7 more years on the blue car. So who knows, but I have friends that can afford these cars NOW. Then I can buy them off them in 10 years... ;) ;)
Here is the last VIN digits picture matching fuel injection.
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Nice find! at any rate. Nice ride and I'd get it in a heartbeat.
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Done and done Danny, but you may want to ask the owner if it would be okay to post the VIN. Like FASTED stated, these were built in batches, so the VIN would at least confirm that.
Ed
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Danny, forwarded the info to a C2 NCRS judge friend and asked him to take a look and then forward to anyone who might be able to assist.
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I reread your comment about plastic blocks on the hood. All early '63's, until about 10,000 in Jan/Feb, had four alignment blocks, then they switched to two for the rest of the year.
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Thanx Chick.. We will see what happens. The key to this is to just not care about your future :D
Maroman, good to know. This car does have 4 alignment blocks. Hard to see in the pictures but they are there. ... Danny
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Wow!! BIG MONEY master and brake drums! ... Danny
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1963-1964-Corvette-RARE-Z06-J56-Brake-Master-Cylinder-Excellent-Condition/273465717839?hash=item3fabd3b44f:g:1ngAAOSwjIVafz9f
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1963-CORVETTE-Z06-MASTER-CYLINDER-FUEL-INJECTION-BRAKE-DRUMS-ID/302595672171?epid=658438926&hash=item46741b886b:g:6tkAAOSwU91aVCBo
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I don't have any RF code stamps for comparison, but that one seems a little odd. It may be 100 percent correct, I won't say one way or the other. But for that car, the components will tell the story.
Good luck if you decide to purchase. My outlook right now would be to not go into debt to buy a car from the 60s. If you have money laying around, that is fine. But it's your life, I am NOT trying to tell you what to do.
One thing I always try to remember to stay in perspective is that "The most important things in life are not things."
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IF it's a real Z06 it's probably going to be way north of 100,000, like 200,000.
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All 1963 Corvettes did not have hood blocks.
Early cars up to around vin 6500 had no blocks or wedges and no provision for them. From around 6500 up to 7300 there were nut plates on the hood fore and aft but holes were plugged. From around 7300 up to around 14000 vin all four wedges were present. From around 14000 to 16000 vin on coupes and 14000 to 19000 on convertibles only the two rear wedges were present. The forward holes may or may not be plugged. Coupes after around 16000 and convertibles after around 19000 usually had no wedges, except if they did...
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Danny,
Measure the front stabilizer bar, it should be 15/16 ". They used 15/16" on 1964 F40 suspension. In 1963 they only used 15/16" on Z06 cars. It is possible it could have been switched sometime in its life. Look at the front brakes to see if it has vented backing plates, fans and front scoops which were Z06 items only. Check to see if the springs were painted black with blue checking daubs on the lowering mounting rings which are Z06 only.
Good Luck.
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I stand corrected, don't remember seeing no blocks.
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Without docs I would consider it a clone. Not many of those would have been dealer stock or traded at a used car lot. The second ebay add looks like a clone a Z06 kit, add body and frame and stir well. Before the clone a Z and L78 camaro, the clone a vette was the big thing. I have never driven a Z06 but my 64 with the metallic power brakes is borderline dangerous until they warm up. A owner would know and remember having it. But even if, the car has big value just in the parts.
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Dave Beem and I pulled a 63 Z06 Big Brake Fuelie out of Colorado back in 2016.
The master the finned large brakes with the 1-3/16 wheel cylinders
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If the car is original paint be extremely careful, Sebring silver is a one year only color and it is not a metallic it is an EARLY form of iridescent called FIREFROST
The following is a exert from article:
https://www.corvetteblogger.com/2017/02/14/corvettes-1963-fire-frost-paint-1971-72-firemist-paint/
Sebring Silver was a Fire-Frost paint. What is Fire-Frost paint? It has an effect pigment (a flake) that responds to light as a pearl effect pigment would. It is not the same as a metallic flake. No other Corvette was ever factory painted with Fire-Frost paint of any color.
The Fire-Frost pearl effect pigment was made of polyester flakes coated with a layer of vapor-deposited aluminum. GM used Fire Frost paint only in 1963: five colors for the Cadillac Eldorado and one color for Corvette (Eldorado’s silver was a different color than Corvette’s silver). The effect pigment was likely chosen to imitate the luminescence of shark skin, a finish that GM boss Bill Mitchell had hoped to achieve on the 1961 XP-755 Mako Shark concept car.
https://www.corvetteblogger.com/2017/02/14/corvettes-1963-fire-frost-paint-1971-72-firemist-paint/
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Very cool. Has anyone had any luck duplicating that process for the right finished product?
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Dave Beem and I pulled a 63 Z06 Big Brake Fuelie out of Colorado back in 2016.
The master the finned large brakes with the 1-3/16 wheel cylinders
AND ... the cooling vents with screens cut into the backing plates... factory not custom~ I believe that was only done on '62 and 63 Corvettes (wtih the big brakes)~
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Elephant ears with ducts in the backing plates started in 1957 with the Airbox cars. Back in the mid 1970's one of my father's friends restored the first 1957 Airbox that was ever restored.
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Very cool. Has anyone had any luck duplicating that process for the right finished product?
Obsolete colors are reformulated using today's toners. You'd have to call your jobber or the paint library, give them the WA number and see what is in the formula.
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Very cool. Has anyone had any luck duplicating that process for the right finished product?
Obsolete colors are reformulated using today's toners. You'd have to call your jobber or the paint library, give them the WA number and see what is in the formula.
Polyester flakes with vapor deposited aluminum... wonder if anyone makes that today?
FWIW one of my concerns with buying a Warbonnet Yellow LT1 without original paint was being able to accurately replicate the paint.