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Camaro Research Group Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Flowjoe on July 22, 2018, 07:08:09 PM
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A friend is nagging at me to sell him one of my ‘69 Z/28s. I can’t post photos as the car is stored in a manner where it can’t be photographed. It is an LA built car with its original short block (numbers match) still in the car. It came with no top end but I have sourced 186 heads, an intake and a date correct 4053 carb. It has a GM cowl hood but it’s not original to the car. 12 bolt, Muncie and OEM Hurst shifter present. Factory Daytona yellow with standard black interior (no vinyl roof). Full gauges and AM radio. It has the narrow rear spoiler and is a February build. Mechanically it needs a full rebuild. Body wise it had rot in both the front and rear lower window channels but those were both professionally repaired right after I picked the car up about 13 years ago. Other than that, no rust but plenty of small dents and dings. Floors and trunk are solid. Rear window is present but the front broke when removed for rust repairs. Interior is rough but I have sourced excellent condition original door panels and a full set of standard seat belts. Seats will need to be recovered. Dash is intact as are the console and gauges.
I wasn’t looking to sell but he is pestering me to no end. Looking for input on a fair price to buyer and seller so I can make a decision.
Thanks in advance.
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If he can't convince you to sell with an offer your willing to take..I wouldn't let pestering bother you.
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Tell the guy to back off or he will NEVER get it. Tell him to make an offer you can’t refuse.
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I’ve intended to build the car for years but the reality is I have more cars to build than I have years in which to do it ;D . For the right price I’d lighten the load.
He made an offer which I considered too low. I countered and he thought I was too high. I intentionally left the prices out so as not to prejudice the responses here. I was interested in the opinions.
Maybe his offer was fair ( but still not enough to pry it out of my hands) but since he’s a friend I felt I should at least do a reality check. It’s not like it’s some tire kicker off Craigslist.
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25K ?
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20-30k ?
Without pics, I don't see how we are even suppose to ball park it. ???
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I know of a similar project though it was RED over RED which recently traded hands in the low 30's. Complete with little rust repairs to be performed - minus smog. Interior was recovered in the 70's with diamond tuck... Block needed a sleeve due to a broken ring scoring.
If it would have been 25k I would have probably bought it.
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Without pictures or viewing in person it's impossible to put a price on a particular example. I can tell you what I've seen in the last couple years in my neck of the woods.
A local had an RS 69 Z. None of the original drivetrain in the car but it did have a running drivetrain in it, some of the correct parts had been collected like intake, carb, block, heads. Nice rot free Arizona car though with complete interior but the entire car needed a total restoration. He put $25K on it and it lasted 2 days and was gone without even dickering the price. It was probably priced too cheap. I also checked out a roller 69Z, non RS, no drivetrain, missing some interior pieces and only a few hard to find parts with the car. It sold for $20k.
Both of these were Norwood cars with untampered X code data tags.
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Orig. short block raises the number, but without pics, really hard to put a firm number. I would say 30ish. You don't have any pics of the car?
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You probably got the point, but a picture is worth a thousand words.
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I know it’s a difficult proposition to value something without photos. I had one or two prints from the time of purchase but I can’t locate them to scan them into digital format. As I said in my original post, it’s stored in a way that makes it nearly impossible to shoot any meaningful pictures (a 20 foot enclosed trailer that has become storage for four or five other car projects).
I appreciate everyone who made the effort to give me a ball park estimate. I’ll make an attempt to get some sort of photographic evidence to support my description.
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Consider this; E&E
Emotion -vs- Economics
"friend is nagging"
A lot of guys here might flame me for this but, & I know we are not placing puppies for a good home here, but since your first option is not testing the open market for economic maximization then consider the likely hood of the "FRIENDs" intentions to own and finish and enjoy the Car, i.e. the good charity and benefit to him and the hobby (Giving him first chance and untested pricing i.e.. auctions) -vs- the chance of a well bought quick flip by the potential new owner.
This is in relation to the pricing gap you and he have already placed a sales value on this car, unless this gap is huge the above could temper your decision to sell to the Nagging Friend -vs- getting it out on the market.
"I’ve intended to build the car for years but the reality is I have more cars to build than I have years in which to do it ;D . For the right price I’d lighten the load."
This is a familiar reality and the fact you recognize it is HUGE, We only have so much time here to pursue these toys,,,,,
It is like a first step in "PROGRAM!" -- joke,,,,,"!"
Get some pics we are foaming :)
JIM
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He Joe,
Hope you and your wife are doing well. Check ebay, there is a red 69 z for sale on there at this time that might be a car to compare with. It sounds more original but needs restored.
Best wishes,
Grayling
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He Joe,
Hope you and your wife are doing well. Check ebay, there is a red 69 z for sale on there at this time that might be a car to compare with. It sounds more original but needs restored.
Best wishes,
Grayling
Hey Grayling, fancy running into you here :-)
I will do. Trying to get photos up right now.
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So I dug the car out - mostly. Took a ton of photos but I can't get links from either of the hosting I sites I am (trying) to use to show photos up here. So Right now I'm limited to what I can attach file size wise.
Memory was a tad faulty. Forgot there was damage to rear of outer wheel house on driver's side. Trunk floor is pretty chunky and shows pin holes...so I'd say it should be replaced.
I'll see if I can cram a few more shots up here in the next post.
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Block casting number is 3956618 with a cast date of A109.
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Consider this; E&E
Emotion -vs- Economics
"friend is nagging"
A lot of guys here might flame me for this but, & I know we are not placing puppies for a good home here, but since your first option is not testing the open market for economic maximization then consider the likely hood of the "FRIENDs" intentions to own and finish and enjoy the Car, i.e. the good charity and benefit to him and the hobby (Giving him first chance and untested pricing i.e.. auctions) -vs- the chance of a well bought quick flip by the potential new owner.
This is in relation to the pricing gap you and he have already placed a sales value on this car, unless this gap is huge the above could temper your decision to sell to the Nagging Friend -vs- getting it out on the market.
"I’ve intended to build the car for years but the reality is I have more cars to build than I have years in which to do it ;D . For the right price I’d lighten the load."
This is a familiar reality and the fact you recognize it is HUGE, We only have so much time here to pursue these toys,,,,,
It is like a first step in "PROGRAM!" -- joke,,,,,"!"
Get some pics we are foaming :)
JIM
I understand your point...It's a mixed bag of trying to ensure the car goes to someone who will appreciate it and taking the attitude if someone pays you your price then what they do with the car is of no matter.
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Floors are good but there is a repair with galvanized sheet metal near the shifter hole on the tunnel.
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Exterior shots
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More interior...with some creative wiring. Rust seems to be superficial on the floor. I have the A-pillar moulding as well as the front and rear window trim. No front glass but the back glass and a set of cherry OE door panels are wrapped up in the back seat.
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It looks like there is enough room in the trailer to peek over and behind the left rear tire to look for a build sheet on the tank. That would make a difference value wise.
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IMO - looking at the pic - value wise to me assuming the rest of the drive train is original, trans and rear, id say
25K
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Umm
"Bumble-Zee"!
Vailed reference to the Pacific Northwest Yellow 69 Z on the show circuit around wash. state in the 1980's that was owned by Don Stowers back in the day.
JIM
I concur with Ed's value w/ minor bump for Van Nuys build sheet that is left on the drivers front top of gas tank (or what remains of it)
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Hey Grayling, fancy running into you here :-)
I will do. Trying to get photos up right now.
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Got 3 first gens! Got to keep up with them too. Lol
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He Joe,
Hope you and your wife are doing well. Check ebay, there is a red 69 z for sale on there at this time that might be a car to compare with. It sounds more original but needs restored.
Best wishes,
Grayling
I started a separate thread on that car, as to not take away from this car:
http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=16699.0
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Thanks for all the feedback...very helpful.
I seem to have an affinity for yellow cars without any intention of doing so. ;)
I have four right now but had two others that I sold.
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I had a friend pester me for one of my cars, so I eventually relented and sold it to him. Now I get to drive it when I visit him in Florida.
Depending how many cars you are restoring and how much time and energy you have, the only way you may ever get to drive this one is to sell it to a friend.
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You could sell it and put the $ toward the other cars.
Probably $25-30k at least to restore that car (maybe more or less depending on how much work can be done by the owner versus a shop).
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I noticed that the end of the rear deck lid is striped and has a short spoiler. My 69Z also has a short spoiler with the end of the rear deck lid is also striped. If the paint on this
69z is also original, then at least two early built LOS 69Z's had the rear stripes painted down the end of the rear deck lid from the factory.
Any comments ?
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I had a friend pester me for one of my cars, so I eventually relented and sold it to him. Now I get to drive it when I visit him in Florida.
Depending how many cars you are restoring and how much time and energy you have, the only way you may ever get to drive this one is to sell it to a friend.
That thought had crossed my mind :-)
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You could sell it and put the $ toward the other cars.
Probably $25-30k at least to restore that car (maybe more or less depending on how much work can be done by the owner versus a shop).
I think if one had a shop do the whole resto, added costs would exceed $30K easily. I had figured a minimum of $20K with me doing the bulk of the work (I usually farm out the engine and tranny rebuilds and things of that nature). Either scenario should still yield a completed project cost that remains in the black...assuming that one is concerned with that aspect. Sometimes we build these cars out of love and enjoyment and not the bottom line ;)