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Camaro Research Group Discussion => Decoding/Numbers => Topic started by: sd1968z28 on February 09, 2007, 10:15:19 PM
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i am looking for the original engine for my 1968 z28, vin 426203. jeey mcneish says some one on this site has listed this engine?
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Hi -
Welcome to this forum! I'm in the opposite situation you are in. I have an original '68 Z/28 engine (vin 124378N391571) and I'm looking for the chassis. In your search for the original engine for your car, please contact me if you find out any information on the above vin. Here's a link to my post on this engine:
http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=1558.0
What is the build date on your car? Good luck in your search! :)
Paul
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will do, 4th week of april 1968, cowl plenum radio delete car. contact jerry mcneish, maybe he can help you
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Jason,
You have to find that guy on Camaros.net. I hope you find the engine.
Good luck, and say hi to Myron Lee,
Jerry
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will do, 4th week of april 1968, cowl plenum radio delete car. contact jerry mcneish, maybe he can help you
Thanks, I believe Jerry is aware of the engine (?) and I hope he is looking for me! I also checked with Larry Eakin and he told me that he would notify me if he came across any info on that vin. I'm keeping my fingers crossed. Is your car in Eakin's registry?
Paul
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thanks jerry, i found the thread with mention of my engine. i sent him an message, hopefully he is still active.
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Jason -
Please let us know if you find your engine. It would be too cool 8) and would give others hope. Good luck!
Paul
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a quick note on my engine. seems it is in minneapolis area, the guy who has it went to high school with my dad in sioux falls, sd. how weird is that. making arangement to get it!!!!!!!
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Wow, that's great. What a happy ending.
Jerry
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Congratulations Jason, you lucky dog! :o
Paul
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hey jerry, how much should this engine be worth? the guy wants $6500.00 does that seem fair. will it increase the value of the car. the engine is supposed to be complete except for manifolds and carb.
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Jason -
Let's see:
- 3917610 intake manifold: $300. - $500.
- one pair 3917291 date correct 2.02 cylinder heads: $600. - $750.
- 302 crankshaft: $600. - $1500.
- 1100814 date correct alternator: $700. - $1200.
- 1111467 date correct distributor: $1000. - $1800.
- water pump, deep groove pulleys, oil pan, alternator brackets, smog pump + brackets, fasteners, etc..: $1000.00 - ?
- the original block to your vehicle stamped with your vin and engine assemble date: PRICELESS! :o
I'd jump on it before he changes his mind! ;D
Paul
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Paul,
You hit it right on the money. About a 33% increase in value on the car. I might have a dated carb in stock, I just bought an 812 or 813. I'll have to check.
Jerry
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Thanks Jerry! You see, I told you I'd make a good apprentice. ;)
Paul
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thanks guys i believe i will get this engine. he also has avaliable 1968 chevelle 2 door sedan, 1969 ss 396 chevelle and a 1968 camaro convertible for sale. im am going to try to buy everything!
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Wow... Jason, did you win the lottery? ;D
Paul
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Jason,
Now you should do the homework to find out how the car lost its engine. Find out where this guy bought it and do the detective work. You might find an owner with paperwork, etc. Good luck. How cold is it out there now........-15?? The weather in SD is brutal for me this time of year. Our Clear Lake '07 trip was the coldest for us in all the years we've been traveling there.
Jerry
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snowed 3 inches last night temp supposed to be -18 tonight. i will call you and let you know the whole story once i get the engine probably a couple week until i get it is in the minneapolis region.
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Jason -
Do you know what the engine assemble date stamped on the block is yet? I was just wondering how close it was to your car's build date.
Paul
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i have not seen it in person yet, i will let you know
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I think it's very close. Real engines always are. It's the restamped specials that give us a fit.
Jerry
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Paul,
You hit it right on the money. About a 33% increase in value on the car. I might have a dated carb in stock, I just bought an 812 or 813. I'll have to check.
Jerry
Jerry -
You state it increases a cars value about 33% if it has it's original engine. Assuming I will never find the original chassis to the MO 302 I have, what would make more sense?
1) Find a date correct, original 1968 Z/28 without it's original engine and install the one I have?
or
2) Since I already have a 1968 Z/28, find a date correct 1968 Chevelle, Nova, El Camino, etc. and build something fun?
I appreciate and value your expert opinion!
Paul
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Hey Paul... finding a needle in a hay stack might be easier..but a 68 chevelle,nova..with a 302..screaming..ohhhh...scott
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you know what happens when we assume! i also never dreamed of finding the correct engine, not only found it it led me to the original rear axle assembly ect, ect. maybe because there are so few people in south dakota did this happen, but never say never. save the engine, or be prepared to pull it out if the correct car arises or you may have to sell it to the man with the car. either way never give up these thing are ment to rest together.
good luck in your pursuit!!!!
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Paul,
If you have an original 302, that is another idea on how to appraoch a restoration, finding a Z28 without it's original engine. Doing this will still make for a nice resto package.
Jerry
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A friend of mine has a '68 Z that he's had for years and years, but its without the original motor, actually ANY motor...I'll track down his numbers and see if maybe, just maybe his motor is around here.
Unfortunately, he's one of those guys that will never sell anything, and if a motor costs $2000, but will make the value of his car go up $20,000, he sees that as losing $2,000 out of pocket. Very frustrating to see....
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VI009DZ -
I'd be very interested in his car if the vin matches the vin on my engine. Here's the thread about my engine:
http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=1558.0
Tell your friend if he sells the car to me he won't be "losing" money on an engine. Instead, he will be making money on something sitting around taking up space! ;) Thanks in advance.
Paul
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I'll ask him what the numbers on his car are. Boy that would be crazy if your motor and his car matched. I just cannot tell you how frustrating it is to listen to, and watch this guy.
When the first of the ZZ-series crate motors came out at GM (I have no idea when....mabye 80's), he bought a brandy spankin' new "ZZZ" 9.8:1 crate engine. It is still sitting in his garage, wrapped up in the crate and plastic it came in. Never touched. He has a '68 Z, '69 6-banger, '70 Z, all kinds of awesome body parts and what not, and is going to give it all to his son.
The kid will probably get a drug problem and sell it all off for a grand.....
arrrrgh....the frustration. The damn '68 sits under a mile from me, right now.
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Wow! That's a better price then I was expecting! What's his kid's number? ;D
Paul
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Hey Paul,,,,,,,Ok Ok Ok....the more I follow this place the more I am loving it...yes hang on to the motor...I was wrong..I was thinking more like the 70's...and I need to get with the times...I have a 70 Cam. SS 350 Motor sitting in my garage that I am waiting for a right 70 Camaro to put in...so hang on..and good luck...scott
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Also looking for a 68 MO engine. If anyone comes across a 3914678 block with VIN# 18N432602 please let me know!
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i am finally going to get my engine, looks like tuesday. he has a couple of 69 amx with go pacs for sale i could look them over if any one is interested?
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ok ifinally got my engine and pics of numbers, how do i post the pics on this site?
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Use the "Additional Options" link just below the box you type your post in. :)
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thanks, i always used the quick reply, never did it the other way. i will get the posted soon.
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i can't seem to post my pics, i get a answer back that my file is too large only 192 kb allowed? i am only trying to send one pic whats the deal. maybe if i can get a personal site to send pics i will send them to whoever is in chage and they can post for jerry to see?
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Send them to me and I'll get them posted here. panacea151 at aol dot com.
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ok i will try that.
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zzmike, did you get the pics?
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Yup,
Sorry. I was out of town. I'll post them shortly.
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Here they are, I did not touch them up, this is just the way I got them...
(http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/4497/dsc00739vy2.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
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(http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/9151/dsc00752hd6.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
(http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/9468/dsc00762da0.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
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Here is the engine stamp, lightened substantiially
(http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/853/dsc00762brighteneddp5.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
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thanks a ton, now jerry can add these to the car. how come i could not load the pics?
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You were trying to load them through the site. These are hosted on imageshack.
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hey guys,
ive been reading this thread and i realized that i know of a 68 z thats been sitting for years at a local body shop.It is missing the original motor and trans. As the story goes, the car has only 2500 original miles. I was at the garage and I noticed the car way back in the day and I was trying to see the car up close for over 15 years, but the shop owner is one of them old time guys that hoards everything and thinks everyone is just out to rob him. Lo and behold, about 2 years ago, an old friend of mine called and told me he now worked at the shop and that the owner would take an offer on the car. I "quickly" went there and checked the car out. It is a blue with blue interior car and it is actually an RS also. It has a different front end on the car. The shop owner said it had gotten wrecked by a young kid back in the 60's and the car got towed into his shop. Thats probably when the motor got changed also...it now has a 327 in it if i recall correctly. He says the milage is true. He found a used front end from a non rs car and installed it and painted it...at which point he never got paid and ended up taking possession by getting the title to the car from the owner. I do remember checking the glove box and the car has the 15" tire sticker. Anyway, unfortunately,the car has been sitting outside all these years:( these NE winters have really taken thier toll.If only this guy would have let me buy the car when I first saw it :( I made an offer that seemed high to me, but when he mentioned that these low mile cars were selling at Barrett Jackson for 100k, I knew I was out of the running. He never told me what he wanted, but my buddy told me he would take 20k...I thought at the time that was outrageous...I'm thinking now, that maybe its not so outrageous if I could find the original motor.Anyway, I will go back there and 'beg' to see the car again. If I can, i will get the numbers and some pics and see if there might be another needle in the haystack in the world!!
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well life just keeps getting better. john heinricy head of gm performance stoped by my shop to see my 68 z28 today.
he wants me to send them the complete cd file on my car.
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the machine shop is finally done with my 302!!!, they suggested we break it in on the dyno, less than $500 bucks seems loke a good deal. one question for jerry. i am taking my distributer in to stock eliminator racer steve koppein to have it set up on the sun machine. he was wanting to know if we could get your curve set up so we get it as close to factory as possible? thanks jason
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Jason,
That is something that I do not share with others as it's taken me many years to know what works best fo the 302. It's all of my years of racing experience that has led to know what works and what does not. Plus I have the advance bushings specially made and they cannot be bought anywhere. When I retire, I will share all of this information with everyone but for right now, I would say ship it to us and we'll set it up right for about $160, plus shipping.
Jerry
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Jason, I sent mine to Jerry. Its well worth the money and comes back looking great also. JMO, Sam
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it is kind of a time issue, i understand your concern giving out info. dyno time is next week. i will get one set up for now and send the original one to you when i get it, the original owner in south dakota says he thinks he has it but is not to hurried to get it to me. koppeins race A/S and B/S so i figured they could do a pretty good job, maybe you know them they have a lot of camaro's. bb pace car and a copo 427 car i believe.
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engine is finally in and running, sounds great goes like stink. now i don't know what to do with it?
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engine is finally in and running, sounds great goes like stink. now i don't know what to do with it?
Jason -
You could GIVE it to me!! ;D I have two sons, but only one '68 Z/28. :( I can pick it up anytime, just let me know! :)
Paul
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i will get it cleaned up. ;) don't forget the cash :-\
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i will get it cleaned up. ;) don't forget the cash :-\
What cash?? ??? ;D ;D ;D
Paul