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Title: Help in finding this car
Post by: Fanthomgreen69 on February 28, 2018, 05:32:05 PM
Attached is a picture of my Navy buddy's '69 Z/28. He bought it in the late fall of '68 and told me several years later it was the 6th Z off of the Van Nuys assembly line. Don't have a VIN, but is there any way to find out if this could be. I would like to find out if the car is still around and surprise my friend with the info. BTW When I went to visit him in early spring of '69 he let me drive it and I ordered mine when I got home. Just had to have one.
Charles
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Post by: BULLITT65 on February 28, 2018, 06:00:28 PM
Great pic !

Well without a Vin it is near impossible to verify such info. If you had a friend at the DMV or police force you could try running the license plate number. Looks like YBM 016 ? If your friend has any old paperwork that shows the license number or Vin then you would have a glimmer of hope of finding the car. Good luck and let us know what happens.
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Post by: Fanthomgreen69 on February 28, 2018, 06:50:03 PM
Yea, I know itís a long shot, but I thought someone out there in Z/28land might know something. This picture was made spring Ď69. This early car did not come with front & rear spoilers. It did have chambered exhaust though, which brought a few conversations with the local law about it being a stock exhaust system.
Charles
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Post by: BULLITT65 on February 28, 2018, 07:04:54 PM
Well they made 20,302 69 Z/28's  if you break those down by color percentages, I am sure you would be in thousands of silver cars still.
"Z/28 land" is a large country, "COPO land" is a small city, and "ZL-1 land"  is a even smaller town.

"Z/28 land" is even harder to search because Z/28 land is always getting larger with all the clones. I would say the L.A. cars would be the hardest to pin point with no X codes as identifiers.

Try starting with the license plate if no paperwork exists, if that produces a VIN, then you can do an internet search.
Title: Re: Help in finding this car
Post by: ZLP955 on February 28, 2018, 08:34:17 PM
Great looking car (I am biased though.....)!
Looks like your buddy went to the drags back in the day, based on the '68 behind him in that picture - long shot, but you could try posting that on other forums like Yenko.net , classracer etc and see if anyone remembers your buddy and his car - would help if you have any clues as to which tracks he attended.
On a side note, looking at the position of the grille emblem in that period photo is a great reminder to me that these cars were not all built the exactly the same. Thanks for posting!
Title: Re: Help in finding this car
Post by: z28z11 on March 01, 2018, 01:20:02 AM
Attached is a picture of my Navy buddy's '69 Z/28. He bought it in the late fall of '68 and told me several years later it was the 6th Z off of the Van Nuys assembly line. Don't have a VIN, but is there any way to find out if this could be. 
Charles

If your buddy based that statement on his VIN number, then it logically follows the car would be 124379L500006 for the 6th Camaro off the Van Nuys assembly line. There would not be any way to determine it was the 6th Z, but maybe the 6th Camaro overall as the sequential VIN started with 500000 in both Norwood and Van Nuys. Test that out !

Great pic, nice Z. Love the Goodyears - wish I had a stack of them.

Regards,
Steve
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Post by: BULLITT65 on March 01, 2018, 01:31:26 AM
Good thinking. That would be pretty cool to see if it was 9L500006.

Tim good eye on the grill emblem, just a little more towards the center. I like the dealer license frame. Do you know what dealer he purchased it from?, they may still be around..
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Post by: z28z11 on March 01, 2018, 01:38:41 AM
I Googled it to no avail, and the CRG documentation list for '69's starts with L500054 (unfortunately). Google doesn't always work, but it sounds plausible to me that your bud would based his belief of #6 on the VIN sequence. Good luck, and keep on searching -

Regards,
Steve
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Post by: 69Z28-RS on March 01, 2018, 04:23:06 AM
The Z emblem position looked OK to me in that photo.. but maybe the perspective affects how it appears?
Title: Re: Help in finding this car
Post by: TODD on March 01, 2018, 05:31:49 AM
If I remember correctly Y plates were Aug-Sept 68 so an early car yes but an X car would be August based on that a 19L502 series? it would be somewhere in there but again just a guess. Looks like Burbank? in the background? Navy maybe Montgomery Field? at an airport. All guesses!
Title: Re: Help in finding this car
Post by: BULLITT65 on March 01, 2018, 05:41:47 AM
Well the plates were allocated by which city used the most, then that city got another batch from Sacramento. So you could have a less traveled suburb DMV office that may still have Y plates in January, or you could have gotten a DMV office that was busy issuing plates and went through all the X plates a bit faster, and started issuing Y plates in august/september. My 10B L.A. car (early ) 69 has the prefix YDP, just for reference. VIN 5038xx. Sold in Covina, which was probably a middle of the row office back then I would think, as far as how busy they would have been.
Title: Re: Help in finding this car
Post by: ZLP955 on March 01, 2018, 09:19:01 AM
Sorry to hijack, but I love period photos and of interest to me in that picture is that while the car has all the 'brightwork' features of Z21 (style trim), the rocker/sill appears to be body color, with no blackout treatment - certainly there's more shadowing under the spear trim towards the rear, but at the front it looks silver above and below...... anyone care to comment?
Title: Re: Help in finding this car
Post by: 69Z28-RS on March 01, 2018, 04:09:41 PM
ZLP...  I went back and looked at the photo and I conclude it could be either way (from viewing the photo).. the blackout was painted 'after the car was paint the primary color', so it would have been black painted over the silver, and the blackout was apparently quickly applied, inconsistent and thin; also road trash easily removed or chipped it behind the front wheels...  I don't think any conclusion can be drawn from that photo...
Title: Re: Help in finding this car
Post by: bcmiller on March 02, 2018, 03:38:59 AM
It looks like body color on the rockers, but I agree hard to say for sure with that picture.

No way for him or anyone else to know if it was the 6th Z28 off the line.  If it is 9L500006, it's not in the database.
Title: Re: Help in finding this car
Post by: Solo Speed Shop on March 02, 2018, 04:44:52 PM
My Van Nuys Z28 is a Jan Car & YTR 601 Plates So his plates do sound correct for August! My car is like 20100 Camaro Van Nuys Made! Bill
Title: Re: Help in finding this car
Post by: Gymiemac on March 03, 2018, 06:50:52 PM
Hi My Name is Jim McDougall

I am the guy pictured with the Silver 69 Z-28 at the top of this thread
My Friend Charles took this picture at San Fernando Drag Strip in the San Fernando Valley in Southern , Ca
Probably in early 69
Unfortunately this is the only picture I believe I have

I got out of the Nave in late Sept of 1968
I had a friend who had a 1968 Z-28 & loved it

I went to my local Chevy Dealer to get a new 69
They weren't being produce yet but he was able go through the options & order it for me

After waiting several weeks & being impatient I went back to ask about the progress
The car was being made only a couple of miles away in Van Nuys
He knew the production manger & called him
We were told it was being built the next week & was the 7th  69 Z-28 coming of the assembly line for the 69 year
It came with a std hood, no spoilers and chambered exhaust & no Mufflers
It was very loud , the chambered exhaust was vert short live
Chevy gave me the option to have the chambered exhaust removed & muffler installed , but I declined

I eventually passed the car on to my brother , then to one of our friends  & then gone

I believe I still have the original build window sticker & possible the original pink slip stashed away some where

I like most regret letting this car & many others get away

So hat's the story on That Silver 69  Z-28
Title: Re: Help in finding this car
Post by: Gymiemac on March 03, 2018, 09:34:56 PM
Here is the Original Pink Slip from 1968 for the 1969 Z-28
Title: Re: Help in finding this car
Post by: x77-69z28 on March 03, 2018, 09:43:53 PM
Silly question, but did you google the vin?
Title: Re: Help in finding this car
Post by: Gymiemac on March 03, 2018, 09:50:40 PM
I Just Found The Window build sheet for that same Silver Z-28

Here it is
Title: Re: Help in finding this car
Post by: Gymiemac on March 03, 2018, 11:02:24 PM


Was asked if I googled the VIN

No I didn't new at this & would never have thought of it

Can you find out if there is a current owner ?
Title: Re: Help in finding this car
Post by: ZLP955 on March 03, 2018, 11:05:37 PM
Jim, great that you're able to add to this thread, thanks for telling us the story on your car, and awesome to see that original documentation! Hopefully the car is still around.....
Did you ever attend Lions back in the day? I have a very similar silver Van Nuys Z/28 that was a regular there from late '69 to the last event in December of '72, would love to find someone who might remember it......
Title: Re: Help in finding this car
Post by: Gymiemac on March 03, 2018, 11:26:19 PM


Hi Tim

Yes I was at Lyons every Saturday Night & San Fernando on Sunday

I raced the Z once with stock street tires ,  104 in 3rd gear et in high 13's

had a 396 65 chevelle we race weekly
Title: Re: Help in finding this car
Post by: bcmiller on March 03, 2018, 11:27:05 PM
Thanks for posting James. Do you remember if the lower rocker panel was black or silver? 
Title: Re: Help in finding this car
Post by: Gymiemac on March 04, 2018, 12:01:03 AM


  No Byron I don't
Title: Re: Help in finding this car
Post by: Dusk Blue Z on March 04, 2018, 01:05:45 AM
Anyone have an idea why there would be a line for a 3.73 and 4.10 rear gear?

Mike
Title: Re: Help in finding this car
Post by: BULLITT65 on March 04, 2018, 01:25:26 AM
Just in case a current or future owner does a search:
Vin number 124379L503671

Not far from mine (9L503829). Mine is a 10B car, makes you wonder what this car would have been? 10A?
Goes back to me wondering what the earliest L.A. car is.
Title: Re: Help in finding this car
Post by: bcmiller on March 04, 2018, 01:29:24 AM
Anyone have an idea why there would be a line for a 3.73 and 4.10 rear gear?

Mike

3.73 was the standard Z28 ratio.  That line on the window sticker indicates code G80 for the posi traction. The next line is G84 which is the optional ordered 4.10 ratio. It got the 4.10 and posi was mandatory with 4.10 (also 4.56 and 4.88) but not with 3.73, 3.55, 3.31, 3.07, 2.73 and 2.56

See this link for options and code information.

http://www.camaros.org/pdf/options.pdf

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Post by: william on March 04, 2018, 01:35:55 AM
The standard Z/28 rear axle ratio was 3.73 but only on Z/28, did not require Posi. As the car was ordered with Posi, G80 appears as an extra-cost option. Specifying a non-standard axle ratio was also an extra-cost option.

Listing different axle ratios was confusing. Later in the model year, the G80 description was revised to include the optional ratio if ordered. As of June, 1969 Chevrolet dropped the 4.10 ratio as a Z/28 option.

Cortex Silver?


Title: Re: Help in finding this car
Post by: ZLP955 on March 04, 2018, 02:35:15 AM
Hi Tim
Yes I was at Lyons every Saturday Night & San Fernando on Sunday
I raced the Z once with stock street tires ,  104 in 3rd gear et in high 13's
had a 396 65 chevelle we race weekly
That's pretty good going on street rubber Jim!
Wonder if you recall a guy called Bruce Erickson, from N Hollywood, or his car - it's the one pictured in my avatar. You're probably very close in age. He ran the car as 'Home-Grown Fiasco' in E/MP, for the first couple of years in the original silver with black stripes, then in '71 he got it painted as pictured by well-known Fresno custom pinstriper Bob Kovacs.
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Post by: KurtS on March 04, 2018, 02:53:16 AM
Great that you found the docs on the car!
Btw, they told you a line of BS about being the 7th 69 Z. I know of twice that many before your car. :)
But they definitely were having a supply issue and weren't building Z's fast enough in that timeframe.
Title: Re: Help in finding this car
Post by: Jon Mello on March 04, 2018, 03:15:42 AM
Very cool car, Jim.  I hope it's still out there and you can find it.  Do you recall if you got your license plate from the dealership or did it come from your local DMV office?
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Post by: Gymiemac on March 04, 2018, 04:04:46 AM
Hi Jon

If I remember correctly  I  paid for the plates at the dealership & were mailed to me by the DMV
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Post by: 69Z28-RS on March 04, 2018, 04:07:54 AM
Great paperwork on a nicely outfitted Z28!   :)

I like your 'handle' also 'gymiemac'... (Jimmy Mac)... :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obvSFWvgBhg

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Post by: Gymiemac on March 04, 2018, 04:13:01 AM
Hi Kurt

On the production #

If #7 is wrong , maybe the sales Mgr saw an excited young kid & was feeding me a little more excitement
But taking delivery in October had to be an early one
Title: Re: Help in finding this car
Post by: Gymiemac on March 04, 2018, 04:15:43 AM
Hey Hero

Your a sharp guy

That's exactly where Gymiemac came from, my boss tagged me with that back in the early  80's & it stuck ever since
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Post by: 69Z28-RS on March 04, 2018, 04:27:38 AM
The lyrics jumped into my head when I read your screen name... :)   then I saw your name on the paperwork, so it's all good!  :)
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Post by: Gymiemac on March 04, 2018, 04:30:38 AM
Hi Again Hero

I did not know your Friend Bruce Ericson but knew of him

He was a real racer, I was more of an enthusiast

A side note   , I was also a mopar fan

My dad was general service manager at Valley Dodge in Van Nuys
 
before my time in the Navy I had a 66 Dodge Cornet 440   383 4bbl 4 sp(http://)
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Post by: ZLP955 on March 04, 2018, 04:59:51 AM
No worries, thanks for confirming you knew of him Jim.
And that is a cool Coronet. There was a hemi '66 (minus engine) on ebay recently that caught my interest.
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Post by: 68 Ragtop on March 04, 2018, 02:48:52 PM
I am curious why the paperwork didn't go with the car. Especially the title.
I can see the window sticker being kept as a memento, but how do you sell a car and keep the pink?
Title: Re: Help in finding this car
Post by: Gymiemac on March 04, 2018, 05:03:50 PM
I sold it to my brother
I had a Porsche & the Z-28
he needed a car
He drove it for 6 months then asked me if he could buy it
He must have gone to the DMV & said he didn't have the title
Your right the Title should have gone alone with the car
We were young & didn't think of all the details
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Post by: Gymiemac on March 04, 2018, 05:07:21 PM
On the Coronet , I wanted the wedge 426 & my Dad said Nooooo
I was 18 and probably a smart move on his part
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Post by: Z10Mike on March 05, 2018, 03:11:44 PM
William - I found the following information interesting:
"...As of June, 1969 Chevrolet dropped the 4.10 ratio as a Z/28 option." 
Is there documentation indicating why the 4.10 was dropped from a car that actually benefits from more ratio?  Did the cancellation go into effect for orders received in June and beyond?  I have noticed that I have found no late production Z cars with 4.10's but it didn't occur to me that Chevrolet actually cancelled the RPO.  I am adding notes to my reference data base and would like to include this information update. Thanks.
Title: Re: Help in finding this car
Post by: Gymiemac on March 14, 2018, 03:57:02 AM
Is there a way I can find out if my  old Z-28 is registered to someone ?
any help is appreciated

Thanx

JIm
Title: Re: Help in finding this car
Post by: BULLITT65 on March 14, 2018, 04:38:08 AM
Well if a google search does not turn up anything, you can do it the old fashion way and talk to the guy you sold it to. Guys that purchase cars, go back in time finding all the previous owners of their cars. So that would be one idea. Another would be if you had a friend at the DMV, or police force run the vin and see hat comes back. I think as another option you can run the Vin # through certain states DMV and they can tell you if there is a history of the car. each state is different on what info they will give out. There may even be a service for this that does all the work for you?
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Post by: william on March 14, 2018, 03:20:22 PM
William - I found the following information interesting:
"...As of June, 1969 Chevrolet dropped the 4.10 ratio as a Z/28 option." 
Is there documentation indicating why the 4.10 was dropped from a car that actually benefits from more ratio?  Did the cancellation go into effect for orders received in June and beyond?  I have noticed that I have found no late production Z cars with 4.10's but it didn't occur to me that Chevrolet actually cancelled the RPO.  I am adding notes to my reference data base and would like to include this information update. Thanks.


No explanation as to why 4.10s were dropped as a Z/28 option. As of June 6, 1969 the axle ratio section of dealer ordering info lists 4.10 with the notation Not available with Z28.

Theory: Warranty failures.
Title: Re: Help in finding this car
Post by: Z10Mike on March 14, 2018, 05:32:50 PM
William - A former colleague of mine used to race a '68 Z car around the Detroit Metro area as a kid.  He preferred a 4.10/M20 combination for street duty.  Odd that it was cancelled, other than warranty as you stated.  Thanks again for the information.
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Post by: Solo Speed Shop on March 15, 2018, 10:50:52 PM
Hey Jim!
I live in Northridge CA about 10 miles from where you lived in Sepulveda CA! I have a buddy who is a Vin Verifier In CA  he said the only way he could check it is with License Plate & Vin number!
I gave him both and he said no record of the car in CA which means either it was sold and went out of state or someone put new style plates on and could still be in CA I Tried! Tks Bill
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Post by: william on March 16, 2018, 12:16:39 AM
Or, it was scrapped long ago.
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Post by: BULLITT65 on March 16, 2018, 12:35:17 AM
William always looking at the glass half full...lol😆
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Post by: william on March 16, 2018, 01:32:45 AM
That's from many years of letter writing, phone calls & dead ends chasing ZL1s & Yenkos years ago when it was easy. I found title records for cars that no longer existed, missed cars that still existed but had not been registered for many years. Very common for guys to buy cars and never title them. The ZL1 we ended up with was on an open title; he remembered who he sold it to. A lot can happen in 49 years.

Your only real shot is finding someone that can do an NCIC search. That might give you the last state it was registered in. If they have no record, it was scrapped or hasn't been registered in many years.