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Camaro Research Group Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: RescueZ on February 26, 2018, 11:41:41 PM

Title: Ebay special order orange 1968 Z/28
Post by: RescueZ on February 26, 2018, 11:41:41 PM
This is my post on here, but I’ve lurked for a while. Does anyone see something wrong with the engine stamp? I’d love to bid on this car, but part of the stamp has my “spidey senses” tingling. I have 3 ‘68 Z’s and enough knowledge to get by, but by no means an authority on stamps and what’s being done to reproduce them. It’s a cool car either way.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1968-Chevrolet-Camaro-z-28/253447313179?hash=item3b02a3171b:g:SXwAAOSw1NdakIaT&vxp=mtr
Title: Re: Ebay special order orange 1968 Z/28
Post by: bertfam on February 26, 2018, 11:46:34 PM
You have good senses! The car's also listed in several Craigslist cities and been discussed between the CRG core members. The consensus is it's not a factory stamp.

For future searches the VIN is 124378L336738

And welcome by the way!

Ed
Title: Re: Ebay special order orange 1968 Z/28
Post by: BULLITT65 on February 26, 2018, 11:54:05 PM
Again welcome to the CRG. Please start a new thread and introduce yourself, and post some pics of those great cars of yours!
 ;)

Title: Re: Ebay special order orange 1968 Z/28
Post by: RescueZ on February 27, 2018, 01:26:34 AM
Thank you for the welcome! Yeah, something just seems off on it and I could give details but I know that’s not a good idea.
Title: Re: Ebay special order orange 1968 Z/28
Post by: BRG Z28 on February 27, 2018, 01:53:20 AM
I am on the fence about the stam. VN used different font then NW cars. I might be  legit. Either way, it is a sweet Z/color.
Title: Re: Ebay special order orange 1968 Z/28
Post by: Jon Mello on February 27, 2018, 02:19:50 AM
Van Nuys and Norwood only stamped the partial VINs, the other part was stamped at Flint Engine and that is definitely not a match to other known original V0402MO stamps.
Title: Re: Ebay special order orange 1968 Z/28
Post by: dannystarr on February 27, 2018, 02:46:03 AM
I am certainly NOT an authority. But sure looks like that stamp is WAY high on the pad. Like maybe even the gang holder would hit the head before reaching that spot... Danny
Title: Re: Ebay special order orange 1968 Z/28
Post by: KurtS on February 27, 2018, 02:56:54 AM
It was special order yellow, btw.
Title: Re: Ebay special order orange 1968 Z/28
Post by: z28z11 on February 27, 2018, 03:03:41 AM
I am certainly NOT an authority. But sure looks like that stamp is WAY high on the pad. Like maybe even the gang holder would hit the head before reaching that spot... Danny

Certainly appears that way - plus the VIN is almost too perfectly in line. Block surface appears to have been "prepared", looks a little low on that side, too.

Just my opinion -

Regards,
Steve
Title: Re: Ebay special order orange 1968 Z/28
Post by: RescueZ on February 27, 2018, 03:04:01 AM
Found some higher quality pictures of this car than the ones on Ebay.
These might help out some.
https://restomods.com/for-sale/auction/listing/1968-Chevrolet-Camaro-z-28/253447313179#

Title: Re: Ebay special order orange 1968 Z/28
Post by: RescueZ on February 27, 2018, 03:06:41 AM
It was special order yellow, btw.

Why do you say it was originally yellow? Weren’t a number of the “dash dash” cars ordered orange in the California area dealers?
Title: Re: Ebay special order orange 1968 Z/28
Post by: BULLITT65 on February 27, 2018, 03:26:03 AM
Kurt probably has an ad of the car for sale back in the 70's or 80's...

You will come to learn Kurt has an archive like no other. :)
Title: Re: Ebay special order orange 1968 Z/28
Post by: RescueZ on February 27, 2018, 03:36:52 AM
Just sitting on the sidelines for a number of years, I’ve seen that Kurt is a invaluable resource to the community.
One of my Z’s is a - - NOR built car, so the special order paint cars peak my interest.
Title: Re: Ebay special order orange 1968 Z/28
Post by: dannystarr on February 27, 2018, 11:02:07 AM
Well with that other link, you can ZOOM in 314% before the numbers on the front pad disappear. I say the hand applied broaching was, well HAND applied and done AFTER the stamp. Danny
Title: Re: Ebay special order orange 1968 Z/28
Post by: 69Z28-RS on February 27, 2018, 01:46:01 PM
For clarity's sake, for those who may not know, Broaching is done by a HUGE broaching machine (basically a 'one pass SHAVER' for iron/metal), it should be noted that it's impossible to 'apply broaching' any other way.   So anything hand applied, or applied with a hand held machine is nothing more than 'fakery', an attempt to FOOL someone (a buyer or a judge).   The reason people do this is to disguise rotary machine marks after cutting down the original stampings, so their RE-stamps might 'appear' to have been done after  factory broaching.
Title: Re: Ebay special order orange 1968 Z/28
Post by: Kelley W King on February 27, 2018, 02:09:26 PM
There are things that do not make sense about this car. Pictures would make you think that almost nothing has been done to the car lately but the carb and distributer look to have been media blasted recently. Just??
Title: Re: Ebay special order orange 1968 Z/28
Post by: hrlyfxdl on February 27, 2018, 02:45:21 PM
I've actually seen this car in person. I'm by no means an authority, but I know the guy selling it (I went to buy a OE console from him for my 68, but it was for a 69). Anyway, seems like a really up front guy, but if anyone wants me to go check things out I'd be happy to try and set something up with him. I live in SLC, about 45 minutes south of where this is located. Thanks
Title: Re: Ebay special order orange 1968 Z/28
Post by: BillOhio on February 27, 2018, 03:07:07 PM
That interior is cooked!
I compared it with pictures of an orange car that was special order and this one appears more yellow. The orange had several names, omaha orange was one.
Title: Re: Ebay special order orange 1968 Z/28
Post by: hrlyfxdl on February 27, 2018, 03:10:09 PM
When I saw the car, about a month ago, and I talked to him about it he said it was a special order yellow color.
Title: Re: Ebay special order orange 1968 Z/28
Post by: KurtS on February 27, 2018, 04:14:11 PM
The original paint pretty closely matches Bright Yellow (519), a standard special paint. Yes, it looks like it was repainted orange.
Title: Re: Ebay special order orange 1968 Z/28
Post by: RescueZ on February 27, 2018, 11:17:48 PM
First gen Camaros were almost 20 years old by the time I was born, so all of my knowledge comes from them already being old cars. Was decking a block common practice back in the day for a machine shop? I’ve had dozens of engines machined and rebuild and only 2 have been out of spec enough for it to be recommended to have them decked.
Title: Re: Ebay special order orange 1968 Z/28
Post by: z28z11 on February 28, 2018, 04:06:43 AM
A lot of us used to deck blocks to squeeze every bit of compression out of the motor we could. Using steel gaskets (painted with copper high heat paint to help them seal), a set of pop ups (like the Manley 12.5:1 compression pistons I ran), and a .012-.015 deck mill to get the pistons right to the deck surface, and enjoy a good performance gain from a near zero deck. Course, you had to watch piston to valve clearance, and not get too wrapped up with a monster lift on the cam, but it was a good performance mod back then.

I've seen pistons pretty far down in the bore on factory blocks, as much as .020 or better depending on the performance level of the engine.

Regards,
Steve